[Hornlist] worse and worse ebay ads

2004-08-23 Thread Leonard Peggy Brown
Just looking at the ads

84% off  Germany 2005
 (translation: Made in China by German Engineering)

over 50,00 happy ebay customers
   (then why is their feedback 20906?)
(given 50ooo sales and 99% satisfaction means that 500 people weren't happy?
I wonder if they counted them?)

Suggested retail 1195, buy it now for $125.00.  (in most cases a 1195 retail
would mean that each horn is costing them over $500.00... so I guess they
love selling them at 125 and losing 375 on each sale... if you believe the
suggest retail)

Teacher or School approved
(sorry we don't have permission to tell you which school or which teacher)
( How many school's want the kids to start on single Bbs anyway?)

At least the crooks who were listing single Bbs as doubles are no longer on
ebay for the most part.

I bought a horn from China BEFORE they hit ebay to try out.  It looked fine,
it was well put together, the parts didn't fall off or anything BUT it
played horrid.  It was like they had made the bell out of leather, the sound
went about 2 feet out of the horn and just died.  I think the problem was
the whole horn was way too heavy and the metal too thick.

Sorry for the rant
Leonard


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Re: [Hornlist] worse and worse ebay ads

2004-08-23 Thread Alan Cole
Say I put some decent, playable used student-grade horns up for sale on 
eBay (e.g., Holton, Conn 6D, Amati Kraslice, etc.).  What are the ethics of 
including in the eBay item descriptions a warning about the unsatisfactory 
quality of some of the competing eBay no-name el-cheapo horns, along the 
lines of warnings some of the school band folks hand out to parents as 
described recently here on the horn list?

-- Alan Cole, rank amateur
   McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.
 ~~~
At 09:43 PM 8/23/2004, you wrote:
Just looking at the ads
84% off  Germany 2005
 (translation: Made in China by German Engineering)
over 50,00 happy ebay customers
   (then why is their feedback 20906?)
(given 50ooo sales and 99% satisfaction means that 500 people weren't happy?
I wonder if they counted them?)
Suggested retail 1195, buy it now for $125.00.  (in most cases a 1195 retail
would mean that each horn is costing them over $500.00... so I guess they
love selling them at 125 and losing 375 on each sale... if you believe the
suggest retail)
Teacher or School approved
(sorry we don't have permission to tell you which school or which teacher)
( How many school's want the kids to start on single Bbs anyway?)
At least the crooks who were listing single Bbs as doubles are no longer on
ebay for the most part.
I bought a horn from China BEFORE they hit ebay to try out.  It looked fine,
it was well put together, the parts didn't fall off or anything BUT it
played horrid.  It was like they had made the bell out of leather, the sound
went about 2 feet out of the horn and just died.  I think the problem was
the whole horn was way too heavy and the metal too thick.
Sorry for the rant
Leonard

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Re: [Hornlist] worse and worse ebay ads

2004-08-23 Thread Leonard Peggy Brown
Alan,
   I don't think ebay can get upset as long as the warnings are made in
general.  Buy a quality used horn instead of the poor quality ultracheap
import.  Check with YOUR band director about the quality of these horns
vs. the ultracheap imports.  etc.

But you know, I sometimes look at the ebay horns that are about to sell and
most people are bidding on good horns... a lot of the bad imports are not
getting bids at all, even at the low, low price.

LB


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 Say I put some decent, playable used student-grade horns up for sale on
 eBay (e.g., Holton, Conn 6D, Amati Kraslice, etc.).  What are the ethics
of
 including in the eBay item descriptions a warning about the unsatisfactory
 quality of some of the competing eBay no-name el-cheapo horns, along the
 lines of warnings some of the school band folks hand out to parents as
 described recently here on the horn list?

 -- Alan Cole, rank amateur
 McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.
   ~~~
 At 09:43 PM 8/23/2004, you wrote:

 Just looking at the ads
 
 84% off  Germany 2005
   (translation: Made in China by German Engineering)
 
 over 50,00 happy ebay customers
 (then why is their feedback 20906?)
 (given 50ooo sales and 99% satisfaction means that 500 people weren't
happy?
 I wonder if they counted them?)
 
 Suggested retail 1195, buy it now for $125.00.  (in most cases a 1195
retail
 would mean that each horn is costing them over $500.00... so I guess they
 love selling them at 125 and losing 375 on each sale... if you believe
the
 suggest retail)
 
 Teacher or School approved
 (sorry we don't have permission to tell you which school or which
teacher)
 ( How many school's want the kids to start on single Bbs anyway?)
 
 At least the crooks who were listing single Bbs as doubles are no longer
on
 ebay for the most part.
 
 I bought a horn from China BEFORE they hit ebay to try out.  It looked
fine,
 it was well put together, the parts didn't fall off or anything BUT it
 played horrid.  It was like they had made the bell out of leather, the
sound
 went about 2 feet out of the horn and just died.  I think the problem was
 the whole horn was way too heavy and the metal too thick.
 
 Sorry for the rant
 Leonard



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