Re: [Hornlist] Horn Pfarting
In a message dated 1/28/2004 12:11:57 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I use a very deep cup mouthpiece and I'm thinking about switching to a vienna style cup myself. As to the low playing on shallow cups I know exactly what you're talking about now. It does sound rather... bad. Try the Pizka mpc. Regards, Jerry in KC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn Pfarting
O I gotcha now... That one went over me for a split-second. Farts are different in all parts of the world. The mexican burrito fart is quite different from the english bubble-and-squeak fart. I use a very deep cup mouthpiece and I'm thinking about switching to a vienna style cup myself. As to the low playing on shallow cups I know exactly what you're talking about now. It does sound rather... bad. Most of the ones that could play very loud down there with a very good tone (not many) didn't use shallow little mouthpieces either. And as far as the lower you go the higher you can climb, that is very very true, but no one seems to grasp that. My high range is getting quite reasonable after playing a lot of 4th parts or low parts for several years on everything from horn quartets, to horn duets, and orchestral parts. -William In a message dated 1/27/2004 10:05:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > William, why should it be "a very rare ability to play very loud in the > low register and I've only known a handful of people that can do it " ? > There are many good low horn players in the professional field, many, > but they don't "fart around". > > If you are not sure, what I meant with this term "farting", listen to > the playing &listen to a real great fart &compare. Then you will know, > what I meant. Very simple. > > And most of these "farters" have to small mouth pieces &never > CULTIVATED the low range. Many of them have neglected the fact, that > "the lower you can dive down the higher you can climb up", and advantage > for those who observed this rule. > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horn Pfarting
William, why should it be "a very rare ability to play very loud in the low register and I've only known a handful of people that can do it " ? There are many good low horn players in the professional field, many, but they don't "fart around". If you are not sure, what I meant with this term "farting", listen to the playing & listen to a real great fart & compare. Then you will know, what I meant. Very simple. And most of these "farters" have to small mouth pieces & never CULTIVATED the low range. Many of them have neglected the fact, that "the lower you can dive down the higher you can climb up", and advantage for those who observed this rule. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horn Pfarting Horn farting eh? What defines that exactly? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn Pfarting
Horn farting eh? What defines that exactly? I'm curious because my low range is fine, I'm happy with it and I can get around wherever I need to in it. I can play soft, that isn't a problem, however I can also play pretty loud, but I wouldn't call the sound a fart. It's actually a very rare ability to play very loud in the low register and I've only known a handful of people that can do it. I don't think it's a crux at all. In fact, I feel if you can play very loud down there you will learn how to use all the air you can to produce the sound, and once you know how to use the air playing soft isn't that difficult to switch to. Of course I don't advocate playing super loud low notes in the middle of orchestral performances (unless some wierd composer asks for it), but for recitals with some modern pieces it's very good for effect. I don't see anything wrong with playing super loud low notes at all in the privacy of your own home, and besides it is entirely possible to produce them with a good sound at a heavy forte or fortissimo. I don't have to say if it's not a good sound, it is farting. -William In a message dated 1/27/2004 2:12:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Jon, are you joking ? The second horn has to work harder to keep his > embouchure intact, while the first horns embouchure is kept intact by > all the challenges. > > What´s the matter with the low notes or even jumps higher than an octave > ? Where is the problem ? > > If one has studied Josef Schantls Great Horn Method vol.2, one should > never ever have problems with the wider leaps, but if people have just > one sided cultivated the range from c1 upwards, no chance for low notes. > > > And, has anyone with difficulties in the low range ever though about > playing certain notes on the Bb-side. Well, it sounds unorthodox, but it > works perfectly. > > Folks with difficulties in the bass range, cease lamenting &try what I > have recommended. If you trust me, you will hear &feel the success very > soon. > > But remember: it is not necessary to part in the low range as loud > as possible, no, the noble art of playing nice soft sounds in the bass > is more important as basso notes sound stronger anyway, even at > subjectively the same loudness. > > If one has tendencies to fart loud in the bass, please change to > trombone or bass trombone, but leave the horn alone. > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
