RE: [Hornlist] Intonation in different registers
The question still remains: do we tune a third from A in just or even temperament? There's 13 cents difference. By the way to the original poster. Even temperament, to which pianos are tuned, is not the same as well temperament. Well is somewhere between just and even. Now make sense out of that. If you really meant well temperament, forgive me. Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Concert a1 on the piano our (F-Horn) written c2 (= concert f1) (played with the horn makes) a THIRD. The f1 is in best intonation on both sides of the regular double horn. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:39 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Intonation in different registers Sir Hans - am I right that the a to f interval is a minor 6th that we need to hear to tune to the piano's a. -that would be a well-tempered 6th, right ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Intonation in different registers
Hans, on that third, do i want to hear a just major third or piano major third. I think it's piano major third. Ron ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Intonation in different registers
Major third. That´s why playing together with a keyboard instrument is rather difficult for a wind instrument player. That´s also the difference between a musical instrument the honky-tonk. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:09 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Intonation in different registers Hans, on that third, do i want to hear a just major third or piano major third. I think it's piano major third. Ron ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Intonation in different registers
Paul - Can you give us a list of all notes and their natural sharpness or flatness on the horn, or tell us where to go to look it up? Thanks, Ron ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Intonation in different registers
Sir Hans - am I right that the a to f interval is a minor 6th that we need to hear to tune to the piano's a. -that would be a well-tempered 6th, right ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Intonation in different registers
If you'll forgive a newbie chiming in, I don't think this question can be answered because each horn is different in construction and the degree of in- or out-of-tuneness (which the geeky among us might call inharmonicity) of different partials will vary with construction. One can, however, discuss the difference between a theoretically in-tune horn and even temperament - is that what you're asking? -S- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] du] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 5:34 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Intonation in different registers Paul - Can you give us a list of all notes and their natural sharpness or flatness on the horn, or tell us where to go to look it up? Thanks, Ron ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridaysc omputer.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Intonation in different registers - update
I assume I'm playing a well-tempered scale in these keys. Ron ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Intonation in different registers
Concert a1 on the piano our (F-Horn) written c2 (= concert f1) (played with the horn makes) a THIRD. The f1 is in best intonation on both sides of the regular double horn. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:39 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Intonation in different registers Sir Hans - am I right that the a to f interval is a minor 6th that we need to hear to tune to the piano's a. -that would be a well-tempered 6th, right ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Intonation in different registers
That fact is the reason why not tuning the horn WITH concert a, but getting the concert a from the piano play the 8th harmonic (concert f1, our c2 2nd space from top) adjust by listening to the interval. If you tune with the flat concert a of the horn (our e2), the whole horn will go sharp. Again, at our audition two out of eighteen candidates tuned their horn to a given concert e-flat (for the Mozart concerto) by playing the same note (our bb1) with the first valve employed off course. Absolutely insane. How can anybody tune the main instrument, when it is not at the basic position ??? The teachers of these candidates should be stripped off their teaching position. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Mansur Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 7:32 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Intonation in different registers The 5th and 10th partials are each about 14 cents flat, but in tune with just intonation. In your case I would expect a beginner to get the 10th harmonic with more difficulty and consequently flatter than the 5th harmonic. Your lip is weak and you don't have the flexibility or strength to bend these notes other than let them sag. Pinching is quite unproductive so don't try that. The design of the horn and position of the slides is a red herring. You'd do the same on anything, I suspect. Paul Mansur On Saturday, January 15, 2005, at 01:03 PM, Steve Freides wrote: As my range slowly increases and my familiarity with the horn also increases, I've noticed that the 10th partial (written top space E, concert A) is decidedly flatter than the 5th partial (written bottom line E) on my horn; not by a lot but it's noticeable. And for that matter, the 8th partial is flatter than the 4th. All of this played on open F horn on my 1924 Conn 4D single with a Giardinelli C12 mouthpiece. My question: Is the slight flatness of this register due to me or the design of my horn, ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
