RE: [Hornlist] Is it necessary a descant when you have a triple?
Steve, as you have noticed that the ensemble playing is extremely small and it is genuine baroque music, any other horn would be too thick in sound except a period F-horn with smaller bell (23 to 24 cms in diameter), smaller bore. But who has that at hand & who would risk his or her neck in a life broadcast on TV ? Next, who in the (modern) audience would understand the non tempered pitches ??? No chance but a handfull baroque fanatics. Who would tolerate missed notes either ? Nobody today ! But our choice (conductor Ivar Bolton, other principal hornists Siegfried Machata & Johannes Dengler & myself) was the descant horn. Also the horns 2 - 4 (there are four horns total in this opera) played on modern descant horns, most of them using Bb-high-F, but all for the sound. And there are two "Sprudel"-numbers, one in A the other in G with several high d and a two voice cadenza with the first pair in G up to our high d (written as high c) in piano dynamic, followed by the secod pair with the same text but in D. The tone colour must be the same. That´s reason enough to have four descant horns there. And all is played standing in the orchestra everybody in the audience watching the horns, as it is not only a spectacle for the ears but also for the eyes. Surely, many good principal horn players can get up to high d or e or even f & higher - on the single Bb or on the Bb-side of the double. If this is within a great symphonic work or film sound track or in the studio, no problem, but in a delicate live setting ? If there would be nothing else while producing the Cesare, no problem doing it on the baroque horn. But there are other pieces of complete different character (Wagner, R.Strauss, Bruckner, Vewrdi, etc.) between the Cesare performances. We work(ed) in a repertory theatre not in a type of "stagione" theatre. Thanks for the compliments. The few spots (the arpeggios going up), yes, you ae right, they sound a bit similar to the old F-trmpet - and should sound that way. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Freides Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 4:51 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Is it necessary a descant when you have a triple? Hans Pizka wrote: > The sound is much lighter, but one cannot (really) practise on these > horns, as one will try to produce a big (as usual) sound. This will > eat up the lip, if one is not most careful & plays as light as > possible. This has also the advantage to produce a fine shiny silvery > tone quality - requires a deep mouthpiece & a reasonable big bore (I > use 5 mms). > > Listen to my sample from Haendel´s opera "Giulio Cesare": > www.pizka.de/caesar.wma (live performance, premiere at the Munich > National Theatre 1996) Hans, lovely, delightful playing - thank you for sharing the link with us. After listening to it, I realize that you certainly could have played this on a Bb horn (and you probably could even have played it on a standard F horn). Is your choice of a descant because of the quality of the sound primarily, or because of the added security of hitting those notes on a smaller horn, or both? My guess is mostly the former and a little of the latter. The sound is fascinating to me - you can hear that the instrument is shorter and yet it is still a French Horn, although one could _almost_ be fooled into thinking it's a trumpet in one or two spots - again, thanks for sharing. It's the best example I have yet heard (granted that I have not heard that many in my short life as a horn player) of the essence of a descant horn. -S- > > === > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Robson Adabo de Mello > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:04 PM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Is it necessary a descant when you have a > triple? > > Thank you for the tips guy. > > I know that some horn players have both, the descant and the triple > horn (like Philip Myers, for instance). What's the advantage of the > descant over the triple? It's just the weight? > > > 2007/5/24, hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Just remove the Bb-slides & the extension or full slides > for the > > regular F-side. You get a single high-F with somewhat more > resonance > > due to the more weight. This is a good compromise. > > > > > > > = > > ___ > pos
RE: [Hornlist] Is it necessary a descant when you have a triple?
Hans Pizka wrote: > The sound is much lighter, but one cannot (really) practise > on these horns, as one will try to produce a big (as usual) > sound. This will eat up the lip, if one is not most careful & > plays as light as possible. This has also the advantage to > produce a fine shiny silvery tone quality - requires a deep > mouthpiece & a reasonable big bore (I use 5 mms). > > Listen to my sample from Haendel´s opera "Giulio Cesare": > www.pizka.de/caesar.wma (live performance, premiere at the > Munich National Theatre 1996) Hans, lovely, delightful playing - thank you for sharing the link with us. After listening to it, I realize that you certainly could have played this on a Bb horn (and you probably could even have played it on a standard F horn). Is your choice of a descant because of the quality of the sound primarily, or because of the added security of hitting those notes on a smaller horn, or both? My guess is mostly the former and a little of the latter. The sound is fascinating to me - you can hear that the instrument is shorter and yet it is still a French Horn, although one could _almost_ be fooled into thinking it's a trumpet in one or two spots - again, thanks for sharing. It's the best example I have yet heard (granted that I have not heard that many in my short life as a horn player) of the essence of a descant horn. -S- > > === > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Robson Adabo de Mello > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:04 PM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Is it necessary a descant when you > have a triple? > > Thank you for the tips guy. > > I know that some horn players have both, the descant and the > triple horn (like Philip Myers, for instance). What's the > advantage of the descant over the triple? It's just the weight? > > > 2007/5/24, hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Just remove the Bb-slides & the extension or full slides > for the > > regular F-side. You get a single high-F with somewhat more > resonance > > due to the more weight. This is a good compromise. > > > > > > > = > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridays computer.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Is it necessary a descant when you have a triple?
The sound is much lighter, but one cannot (really) practise on these horns, as one will try to produce a big (as usual) sound. This will eat up the lip, if one is not most careful & plays as light as possible. This has also the advantage to produce a fine shiny silvery tone quality - requires a deep mouthpiece & a reasonable big bore (I use 5 mms). Listen to my sample from Haendel´s opera "Giulio Cesare": www.pizka.de/caesar.wma (live performance, premiere at the Munich National Theatre 1996) === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robson Adabo de Mello Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:04 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Is it necessary a descant when you have a triple? Thank you for the tips guy. I know that some horn players have both, the descant and the triple horn (like Philip Myers, for instance). What's the advantage of the descant over the triple? It's just the weight? 2007/5/24, hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Just remove the Bb-slides & the extension or full slides for the > regular F-side. You get a single high-F with somewhat more resonance > due to the more weight. This is a good compromise. > > > = ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Is it necessary a descant when you have a triple?
Thank you for the tips guy. I know that some horn players have both, the descant and the triple horn (like Philip Myers, for instance). What's the advantage of the descant over the triple? It's just the weight? 2007/5/24, hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Just remove the Bb-slides & the extension or full slides for the regular F-side. You get a single high-F with somewhat more resonance due to the more weight. This is a good compromise. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robson Adabo de Mello Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 6:09 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Is it necessary a descant when you have a triple? Hello Guy Like I said before I'm not a horn play, I'm a trumpet player, but I'm asking this question to my father-in-law. He has a double King horn (I don't know the model), and now he's trying to play some baroque pieces that are extremely high. In his opinion his sound is too heavy with his regular double. He's thinking about getting a new horn and now he has a doubt. When you have a triple is it necessary a descant? For a person that has a double, is it better get a triple or a descant? Thank you Robson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/robson.adabo%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Is it necessary a descant when you have a triple?
Just remove the Bb-slides & the extension or full slides for the regular F-side. You get a single high-F with somewhat more resonance due to the more weight. This is a good compromise. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robson Adabo de Mello Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 6:09 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Is it necessary a descant when you have a triple? Hello Guy Like I said before I'm not a horn play, I'm a trumpet player, but I'm asking this question to my father-in-law. He has a double King horn (I don't know the model), and now he's trying to play some baroque pieces that are extremely high. In his opinion his sound is too heavy with his regular double. He's thinking about getting a new horn and now he has a doubt. When you have a triple is it necessary a descant? For a person that has a double, is it better get a triple or a descant? Thank you Robson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Is it necessary a descant when you have a triple?
From a lurker: Before he commits to buying a new horn, he should try removing all of the F side tubing for playing those pieces. When playing that high that consistently you don't need the low F side anyway, and the weight difference makes quite a change in the color/response of the horn. R Hello Guy Like I said before I'm not a horn play, I'm a trumpet player, but I'm asking this question to my father-in-law. He has a double King horn (I don't know the model), and now he's trying to play some baroque pieces that are extremely high. In his opinion his sound is too heavy with his regular double. He's thinking about getting a new horn and now he has a doubt. When you have a triple is it necessary a descant? For a person that has a double, is it better get a triple or a descant? Thank you Robson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/raschaub%40hotmail.com _ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
