RE: [Hornlist] Just Sliding Along, Singing A Nickel Song...
This brings up the issue of slide lubricants. If, when you pull the slide out, there is a rubbing sound/feel, you may be losing metal. When you wipe the slide and there is black on the rag, that is metal. Although many say that anhydrous lanolin is bad, sometimes that's the only thing that works for me on some slides. Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well Scott - My Nickel Silver Conn 8d third valve slides also tend to > loosen and start sliding - I have had to have them expanded twice in the > last few years. > > Timothy A. Johnson > Information Technologies > Northwestern College > St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://tajohnson.org > > > -Original Message- > From: scott young > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:58 AM > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Just Sliding Along, Singing A Nickel Song... > > I have a YHR-861 that has yellow brass slides. ... I had to have the > slides expanded once a year or they would fall out of the horn. ... > Because of that, I would always try to get a less mallealbe metal, such as > nickel silver, for the slides on my horn. > Respectfully Submitted, > Scott > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Just Sliding Along, Singing A Nickel Song...
Well Scott - My Nickel Silver Conn 8d third valve slides also tend to loosen and start sliding - I have had to have them expanded twice in the last few years. Timothy A. Johnson Information Technologies Northwestern College St. Paul, Minnesota http://tajohnson.org -Original Message- From: scott young Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:58 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Just Sliding Along, Singing A Nickel Song... I have a YHR-861 that has yellow brass slides. ... I had to have the slides expanded once a year or they would fall out of the horn. ... Because of that, I would always try to get a less mallealbe metal, such as nickel silver, for the slides on my horn. Respectfully Submitted, Scott ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Just Sliding Along, Singing A Nickel Song...
Ray writes: I have an instrument that fits this description. My Lewis has a red brass bell and main branch. The mouthpipe, all slides, valve cluster and half (what the !?!?!) of the connecting tube from the valve cluster to the bell on the Bb side of the horn is nickel silver . The balance of the horn is yellow brass. Personally, all that I care about is that the horn sounds and plays great. Query: Are you the original owner of that horn? Shel ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/skirshner%40ameritech.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Just Sliding Along, Singing A Nickel Song...
On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, at 09:19 AM, James Ray Crenshaw wrote: Thanks, looking forward to learning something here. Methinks you will hear more and less than you want to hear. I also think you will find most of what you hear as being "observed" or "perceived." Them's my perceptions. Paul Mansur ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Just Sliding Along, Singing A Nickel Song...
From: "James Ray Crenshaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Q1: Why do some horns have a mixture of metals between the body of the instrument & the slides? I cannot answer this question, but I have an instrument that fits this description. My Lewis has a red brass bell and main branch. The mouthpipe, all slides, valve cluster and half (what the !?!?!) of the connecting tube from the valve cluster to the bell on the Bb side of the horn is nickel silver . The balance of the horn is yellow brass. Personally, all that I care about is that the horn sounds and plays great. I've always attributed the "gold-brass horn/nickel-silver slidework" situation to corrosion-resistance, but now I'm beginning to think that there may be more to it than that. And by the way, I'm interested in this from all angles, namely: 2) What you've ***observed*** to be true (opinion, personal conviction, etc), and... Q2: What criteria would one use in choosing the type of brass for a leadpipe/tuning slide? and... I have a YHR-861 (Yamaha Geyer copy) that has yellow brass slides. When I played it regularly, following a nearly OCD (obsesive cumpulsive) care and maintance schedule, I had to have the slides expanded once a year or they would fall out of the horn. The previous owner had the same problem. The instrument plays great, but that is just a cost of playing that it. Because of that, I would always try to get a less mallealbe metal, such as nickel sivler, for the slides on my horn. Respectfully Submitted, Scott ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Just Sliding Along, Singing A Nickel Song...
Lead pipe metal:
Yellow brass gives the usual bright tone colour, but is not
much resistant against corrosion.
White brass or nickel silver is very resistant against
corrosion, but the tone colour is too bright for many.
Gold brass has medium bright tone colour, but is very
resistant against corrosion.
Sterling silver has the most mellow tone, but responds a bit
late, but is absolutely anti corrosive. It has a
disadvantage: if hit or stressed it might break in a
zick-zack way.
BTW: my horns are made of yellow brass not gold brass. They
are silver plated & partly gold plated. This has no playing
advantage but looks very nice. And people care more about
nice instruments, so avoiding damage. But no playing
function of silver or gold. But some say, the silver plated
plays better. It does, compared to lacquered instruments.
Slides (shaft & shank) of nickel-silver ? More resistant
against corrosion.
Bell kranz of nickel silver could also be of yellow brass,
functions as "over playing brake", but also as nice
decoration. Has a real playing function.
Slides of yellow brass (shanks & shafts) tend to bake faster
than nickel-silver, so to create the problem of unmoveable
slides.
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Other variations of brasses or slides (complete) from
different metal than horn have no playing functions and are
mere fashion as is my silver & gold plating or the
mother-of-pearl deco. But these last ones (mother-of-pearl
key pads) have a mechanical function to prevent slippery
valve keys.
Bells made from different metal have some tone colour
function & may be chosen to compensate the players own
(tone, power) limitations. But the more variations available
the more confusion.
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Subject: [Hornlist] Just Sliding Along, Singing A Nickel
Song...
BOTTOM LINE:
Nickel-Silver slides, why & wherefore...
I have an e-mail buddy with whom I often "talk horn" and,
together, we have unlocked all the mysteries of the horn
world... save this one last item.
(cough, cough... much foot-shuffling and ZERO eye contact!)
Anyway, even if you don't believe that, read on...
Q1: Why do some horns have a mixture of metals between the
body of the instrument & the slides?
***
A FEW OBSERVATIONS:
1) The Pizka Classic appears to be a silver-plated,
gold-brass horn with nickel silver slides: Why so?
2) It appears some nickel-silver horns have yellow brass
slidework (opposite of above example): Why so?
3) Legend has it that a Conn 8D will play differently with a
***yellow brass/28D tuning slide*** than with its normal
nickel-silver slide: If so, why so?
***
I've always attributed the "gold-brass horn/nickel-silver
slidework"
situation to corrosion-resistance, but now I'm beginning to
think that there may be more to it than that. And by the
way, I'm interested in this from all angles, namely:
1) What you've ***heard*** to be true (horn lore)
2) What you've ***observed*** to be true (opinion, personal
conviction, etc), and...
3) What you ***know*** to be true ("I've been building horns
for 135-years and here's the scoop...)
As an associated issue, I'd be interested in hearing from
any leadpipe makers who have produced otherwise identical
leadpipes and/or main tuning slides in differing alloys, IE
- gold-brass, yellow-brass, and nickel-silver.
Q2: What criteria would one use in choosing the type of
brass for a leadpipe/tuning slide? and...
Q3: What playing and/or sound quality differences might (or
"should") one notice between two identical leadpipes made of
different alloys?
Thanks, looking forward to learning something here.
jrc in SC
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