Re: [Hornlist] Request
Hey Hoss, Would that be a mobile home small enough to haul with the Shittvette? My tongue is firmly planted in my cheek... Have a good one... Walt Lewis... At 05:46 PM 10/1/03 -0400, you wrote: I could buy a house a horn and a car for nine grand...althought it would be a shitty house a shitty horn and a chevette. Hoss ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/welewis%40myexcel.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/03 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Request
Every horn is hand made, but using special tools & machinery too. Some parts are produced by specialists in larger series to provide the makers (valve slides, machinery, uni-bal, finger plates, springs, horse shoe, screws, etc.). But these parts are also made by hand, but using special tools & machinery (bending machines, calibration machines). And dear Daniel, a 10-20 percent dealer profit in Japan ? Have you had any experience regarding Japan ? I doubt that. But I have the experience, travelling to Japan since 1974 every year, often twice or three times, knowing all relevant outlets for horns & other brass. But one has to realize, that customs are different in Japan. The dealer has to pay different & much higher shipping costs than in Europe or inside the USA. The (good from the dealers view) customers also expects a certain "special" discount from the dealer (usually 10 percent), expects also being taken to dinner by the dealer (very expensive in Japanese restaurants - multiply your Florentine dinner expenses by two or three). So all these expenses are included in the final Japanese much higher price. The prices would be again much higher, if the Japanese sales tax would not be 3 percent but 16 or 20 percent as in several European countries (Germany, Austria). Dear friend, please do not exchange arguments in this field with people like me, who are at the real front in this business. Saluti Hans = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of c y Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 1:48 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Request is 9000 really that much for an instrument with a huge waiting list and the fact that rauch will soon stop taking orders (he may retire)... Dealers in japan sell handmade horns and they mark them up 10-20 percent to make some type of profit... This person sold that horn actually for a lossI would say any horn with a long waiting list has every reason to be sold at a fair amount above the actual cost... prices change and not waiting 4 years is something worth paying for. this is of course if you are set on having a certain type of horn... Daniel Canarutto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 12:00 -0500 2-10-2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >from: (Hans Pizka) > >As far as I remember, this person offered a horn (Rauch) which he bought >>in Japan at Japanese price, asking for a minimum of 9.000.-$ > >$9K! Rauch: rhymes with OUCH! As far as I know, new Rauch horns cost much less than that; but there is a long waiting list. Daniel Canarutto ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/nafai23%40yahoo.com - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Request
is 9000 really that much for an instrument with a huge waiting list and the fact that rauch will soon stop taking orders (he may retire)... Dealers in japan sell handmade horns and they mark them up 10-20 percent to make some type of profit... This person sold that horn actually for a lossI would say any horn with a long waiting list has every reason to be sold at a fair amount above the actual cost... prices change and not waiting 4 years is something worth paying for. this is of course if you are set on having a certain type of horn... Daniel Canarutto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 12:00 -0500 2-10-2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >from: (Hans Pizka) > >As far as I remember, this person offered a horn (Rauch) which he bought >>in Japan at Japanese price, asking for a minimum of 9.000.-$ > >$9K! Rauch: rhymes with OUCH! As far as I know, new Rauch horns cost much less than that; but there is a long waiting list. Daniel Canarutto ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/nafai23%40yahoo.com - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Request
You are right, absolutely, but there are different prices in Japan, if one buys the horn at the Japanese dealer. Reason: price has to pay for promotion, entertaining customers, import duty, compensating the up & down of the exchange rate, shipment, etc. Like my horns: they cost 9.300 EURO instead of roughly 5.000 EURO list price. And the exclusive distributor/importer agreement makes it impossible even for me to sell a horn to an individual having residence in Japan. That are the rules. One has to understand, that manufacturers, who produce a limited low number of instruments, cannot afford to give some 30 - 40 % discount to the grossist (importer or gross distributor). If I would give this kind discount to a dealer, I would have to rise my list prices for roughly 2.000 EURO. Would this be fair to the single customer ? A piece of art, as the horn should be, is not comparable to any mass product, regarding discounts. The expected dealer discount of 30 - 40% is by no means comparable to the e.g. computer business, where grossists compete with margins between 2 & 4% only. My son is in that business & buys & sells monitors or PCs or components in the ten thousand quantities. Band instrument is another business than "real" concert instruments, also. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Canarutto Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Request At 12:00 -0500 2-10-2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >from: (Hans Pizka) > >As far as I remember, this person offered a horn (Rauch) which he bought >>in Japan at Japanese price, asking for a minimum of 9.000.-$ > >$9K! Rauch: rhymes with OUCH! As far as I know, new Rauch horns cost much less than that; but there is a long waiting list. Daniel Canarutto ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Request
At 12:00 -0500 2-10-2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from: (Hans Pizka) >As far as I remember, this person offered a horn (Rauch) which he bought in Japan at Japanese price, asking for a minimum of 9.000.-$ $9K! Rauch: rhymes with OUCH! As far as I know, new Rauch horns cost much less than that; but there is a long waiting list. Daniel Canarutto ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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I could buy a house a horn and a car for nine grand...althought it would be a shitty house a shitty horn and a chevette. Hoss ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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from: (Hans Pizka) As far as I remember, this person offered a horn (Rauch) which he bought in Japan at Japanese price, asking for a minimum of 9.000.-$ $9K! Rauch: rhymes with OUCH! Bob ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Many thanks to Scott, Clayton (who replied off-list), and Prof. Pizka for the requested information. Fred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Bacon Dürkhorns Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:27 AM To: The Horn List Subject: AW: [Hornlist] Request Fred, Try [EMAIL PROTECTED] He is a brass salesman and has many contacts with Japanese customers and dealers. His full name is Hiroake Tokushige. Good luck. Sincerely, Scott H. Bacon Sales, Marketing, and Service Verkauf, Marketing, und Service Specialist in French Horn Spezialist für Waldhorn Musikhaus Dürk Steuerstraße 16a 55411 Bingen - Dromersheim Germany Telephone: 49 ((0)6725) 1507 Fax: 49 ((0)6725) 6307 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.DuerkHorns.de. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Fred Baucom Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. September 2003 07:29 An: The Horn List Betreff: [Hornlist] Request About a month ago, a lister asked for information about selling a horn in Japan, and someone else provided either a shop name or the name of an individual. I had saved this information, as I anticipate that I may have need of it in the near future, but have now lost it due to MS operating system problems. Would the person who provided the name of this Japanese contact please send me a note? Thank you in advance, very much. Fred ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/s.bacon%40duerkhorns.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Request
As far as I remember, this person offered a horn (Rauch) which he bought in Japan at Japanese price, asking for a minimum of 9.000.-$ == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred Baucom Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 6:29 AM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Request About a month ago, a lister asked for information about selling a horn in Japan, and someone else provided either a shop name or the name of an individual. I had saved this information, as I anticipate that I may have need of it in the near future, but have now lost it due to MS operating system problems. Would the person who provided the name of this Japanese contact please send me a note? Thank you in advance, very much. Fred ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] request for brass quintet music suggestions
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Three other brass quintet pieces we used to play in the early days: "Dixie" - Emmet arr. Roberts - Cor Publishing - a fairly straightforward "air and variations" type arrangement setting the tune in different styles "Impressions of a Parade" - Samuel Baron - Pub. Schirmer - A fairly free arrangement of "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" (I remember liking this one!) "Sir Duke" Stevie Wonder arr Swan - pub Jobete Music - an arrangement of the old hit song - not the best piece I know, but the punters seemed to like it. I'll send you more as I find them (these three sets turned up when I was looking for something else) All the best, Lawrence ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] request for brass quintet music suggestions
The Canadian Brass books are kind of fun
(intermediate) and have a wide range of music from
"canon in d" to "amazing grace" (jazz) to "Hava
Nagila." I wouldn't recommend any of the other levels
simply because they are boring. There is also "That's
A-plenty", and some old renaissance music "Three
Madrigals" (I don't know the arranger). I don't know
your level of skill but "Classical Suite" by James
Barnes is nice play off of classical pieces such as
the third mvt of Tch. symphony no. 4, but is fun for
anyone to hear. It features all the instruments and
even has a movement that sounds like Frosty the Snow
Man. The first mvt may be too hard seeing that it
requires some triple tounging in all instruments but
the tuba.
I have played in a quintet for 9 years and it is
the high-light of my day to play in it. I hope you
have as much fun as I do. I don't really know what you
are wanting to play for but there is a fun arranger
that is not published but does excellent arrangements
such as "It is Well with my Soul" (I seem to have
forgotten the title), and 4 medleys of cartoons, old
tv shows, old rock tunes, and star trek soundtracks.
I have played all of his (John Webb) pieces for many
people and all have loved the music. Anyway, I hope
this helps and I can give you a better list later as
these are just off the top of my head.
Joseph Fuller
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> I am in the process of starting a brass quintet.
> This is in a small rural community. All of the
> potential members are quite accomplished but amateur
> musicians. The problem is that there is not much
> quintet music available locally, so we will have to
> purchase a fair amount of music. We are located 200
> miles from the nearest university, so checking music
> out of a library is not very feasible. We will
> probably play for churches, schools, etc.
>
> Characteristics of the music could be:
> 1) features each of the instruments,
> 2) is generally accessible to a wide range of
> audiences,
> 3) is musically interesting to the players,
> 4) has add on instrumentation, such as
> percussion and/or organ
> 5) any but the most difficult levels ("grades
> II-IV") would be acceptable.
>
> I would appreciate any suggestions of a list of
> "start-up" music; title, composer, arranger, and
> comments.
>
> Please send suggestions to my email and I will post
> a list of the recommendations to the list in a few
> weeks.
>
> Thanks
>
> Randall Sullivan
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Re: [Hornlist] request for brass quintet music suggestions
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hi I played for ten years with a brass quintet and can send you a list of titles later, but I'm just off to do a gig now. Titles that we played when we first started which come immediately to mind: "Just Brass" Series: Frere Jacques Fancies Toyes and Dreams Susato Suite Echo Canzona King Music: Victor Ewald - Symphony for brass quintet (a standard classic) This Old Man arr. Nagel You could do worse than to look at the set of titles in the aforementioned "Just Brass" series edited, I think, by Philip Jones. They were published by Chesters Music but I'm sure the company was taken over by a larger publishing house later. The Robert King catalogue too could be useful. There is a lot of stuff out there! (and much of it is very good) I'll try to write more later, All the best, Lawrence ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
