RE: [Hornlist] Slide Lubricants
To clarify it: gulden means golden. There was also the "dukat", finally of 3,49 grs gold at 986/1000. The name "ducat" or "ducatus" deriving from "duce" or "doge" or "duke" as first produced by Duke Dandolo in Venice in the late 13th century. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Baumgart Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 3:26 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slide Lubricants Actually, they were known as "Joachimsthaler guldengroschen," with "guldengroschen" referring to the type of coin (enough silver's worth of groschen to be worth a gold gulden). St. Joachim's valley was an early 16th century silver boom area, which bode well for the count when he was allowed to mint coins. The Joachimsthaler guldengroschen were not the first such coins, however, although they were the most widely produced and circulated, becoming the standard silver coin in Europe. In 1486, Duke Sigismund of Tyrol coined guldengroschen bearing his portrait, but they weren't widely accepted or minted in the vast quantities as the Joachimsthaler guldengroschen. Had they been, instead of dollars, we'd probably be paying for our slide lubricants with "ziggies." John Baumgart - Original Message - From: "Hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:33 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Slide Lubricants "cents" is a similar corruption as "dollar". Somebody knows the origin of "dollar" ? It was at "Joachimsthal" in German cultivated East Bohemia, where Count Schlick got the right to mint his own silver coins (also doubles, half & quarters) 1520. They were named according to the place "Joachimsthaler" from the St.Joachim valley (German = tal). The name was reduced to "thaler" later, just for simplicity. And this became dollar, dollar, taler etc. Cent is 1/100th of a certain (main) coin. "Centesimo" or "centime" would be appropriate, but again simplified to "cent". And in Europe we got the "Euro" now, which has not a meaning at all. It is like "artificial honey". Since gold standard was abandoned, money has just a hypothetical value. "Pfennig" was a separate coin, a basic coin itself as was the old Russian "kopek" or "lira" or "heller" or "penny" (the English word for Pfennig). They had not adopted the metric (1/100) system then anyway. = ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Slide Lubricants
Actually, they were known as "Joachimsthaler guldengroschen," with "guldengroschen" referring to the type of coin (enough silver's worth of groschen to be worth a gold gulden). St. Joachim's valley was an early 16th century silver boom area, which bode well for the count when he was allowed to mint coins. The Joachimsthaler guldengroschen were not the first such coins, however, although they were the most widely produced and circulated, becoming the standard silver coin in Europe. In 1486, Duke Sigismund of Tyrol coined guldengroschen bearing his portrait, but they weren't widely accepted or minted in the vast quantities as the Joachimsthaler guldengroschen. Had they been, instead of dollars, we'd probably be paying for our slide lubricants with "ziggies." John Baumgart - Original Message - From: "Hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:33 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Slide Lubricants "cents" is a similar corruption as "dollar". Somebody knows the origin of "dollar" ? It was at "Joachimsthal" in German cultivated East Bohemia, where Count Schlick got the right to mint his own silver coins (also doubles, half & quarters) 1520. They were named according to the place "Joachimsthaler" from the St.Joachim valley (German = tal). The name was reduced to "thaler" later, just for simplicity. And this became dollar, dollar, taler etc. Cent is 1/100th of a certain (main) coin. "Centesimo" or "centime" would be appropriate, but again simplified to "cent". And in Europe we got the "Euro" now, which has not a meaning at all. It is like "artificial honey". Since gold standard was abandoned, money has just a hypothetical value. "Pfennig" was a separate coin, a basic coin itself as was the old Russian "kopek" or "lira" or "heller" or "penny" (the English word for Pfennig). They had not adopted the metric (1/100) system then anyway. = ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Slide lubricants
Hetman makes an excellent slide lubricant that is synthetic. I use two grades: USG#9 which is very thick and Slide Grease #8 which is a normal consistency for most applications. CORdially, Luke Zyla email [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 4:27 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Slide lubricants >Hello everyone, >I was reading the information archive on hornplayer.net, and read Mr. > Hecht's posting about lubricating your slides with certain things. >I am currently using Selmer's Pink goo stuff, and was wondering if > thats the stuff that eventually works its way through the horn and intto the > valves. >What would be the best lubricant that allows the slides to move quite > freely, forms a great seal, and does not dry up quickly and travel through the > horn? > >Thanks, >Mike > >PS: I heard that axle grease, vaseline, and other petroleum products > are some culprits that will eventually work its way through the horn. >Thanks Mr. Hecht ;-) > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40charter.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Slide lubricants
Listen, Michael, dont think so scrulelous about anything regarding the horn (hardware). Use your common sense instead, please & not the subjective judgement of others, at least for such simple questions. If you exaggerate maintenance you will damage more than conserve. If you grease your slides ever 2nd day or every week, no wonder, grease may make it up to valves. Greasing: for example Vaseline or similar (I use a little round plastic box of the size less than a quarter & of a thickness of 1/4" full of the red slide fat - and this box last for years !): clean the slide off remaining fat, using toilet paper. When ? After water cleaning your horn once every month. Take a fingertip of fat with your little finger & place it on every shank of every tuning & valve slide, just so little you can just see it. Insert one shank into its place carefully & move the slide from one side to the other. Pull it out, inset the whole slide carefully. What will you see then ? Excess fat on the edge of the slide receiver & on the slide. Clean it away with toilet paper and insert the slide on its place. Repeat the procedure for the other slides. How should fat make it into the valves if you cleaned it away. The whole whining about comes only from these peoples who are too lazy to clean the excess fat away BEFORE inserting the slide. The fat layer on the slides is extremely thing, some thousandths of an inch. But, if you push & shave your slides up & down all the times instead of tuning your horn correctly ONCE & correcting occasional intonation differences with your partners by the use of the right hand & the embouchure, you must not WUNDER if mud, grease or else will be accumulated inside the slide shanks. It might be WISE, to push the slides fully in a few times before water cleaning your horn monthly, so to shave off eventually accumulated slime, grease mud from the inner walls of the slides. But be careful, as you said you are a quite big person, be careful with your power not to damage things. As Karajan said about a very, very prominent player in Vienna: "He is so tall, so big, like an elephant baby, he has so much power but does not know yet how to use it." = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 9:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Slide lubricants Hello everyone, I was reading the information archive on hornplayer.net, and read Mr. Hecht's posting about lubricating your slides with certain things. I am currently using Selmer's Pink goo stuff, and was wondering if thats the stuff that eventually works its way through the horn and intto the valves. What would be the best lubricant that allows the slides to move quite freely, forms a great seal, and does not dry up quickly and travel through the horn? Thanks, Mike PS: I heard that axle grease, vaseline, and other petroleum products are some culprits that will eventually work its way through the horn. Thanks Mr. Hecht ;-) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
