RE: [Hornlist] Survey Revision
Point(s) well taken, Hans, but good Lord! He just needs some numbers! Give the guy a break! (By the way, I try to get in two hours a day but I'm only in high school so my response probably isn't overly valuable) ~Shannon Midbrod Hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your informations are definitely wrong. Have you ever attended a rehearsal of a Bruckner Symphony or a Mahler Symphony ? I doubt that. There is so much to play that everyone is happy at the break. Do you earnestly think that practising is continuous playing ? Practising consists of learning a piece (etudes included) by reading it first, sometimes with the horn in hand so to practise the fingerings, sometimes without the horn in hand just reading the part. Then the playing starts. Some notes have to be thought about, maybe searching for alternative fingering, sometimes correcting a phrasing, water emptying the horn, adjusting the slides, counting rest measures, - all that is included in practise time. PRACTISE IS NOT CONTINUOUS PLAYING. ONLY IDIOTS DO THAT Sorry !!! Why do I call these people idiots ? Because they ruin their embouchure by continuously playing, ruining all the beauty of tone if they had it allready. They waste their time, as by this methode nothing will go forward. Thew profit of such practising is ZERO. Did you ever think, that professional musicians would be serious players also ? If you have a three hour rehearsal in the morning (a symphony or an operatic work) plus a performance at night lasting another 4 hours two twenty minutes break included, would you think that these unserious players would play less music than a student would play during a three hour practise session, interrupted by walks to the toilet, incoming or outgoing frequent celll phone calls ?? It might be better for your mathematic experiment, to ask the student community (high school level only !! Not college level !!) to answer your survey. Personally I think it be useless anyway, as many students (people who call themselves students ironiously !) might thak the results of the survey word by word think the average amount of practise time would be enough for them to get success. All the square roots you might take out of the survey are of evil anyway, as a lot of statistics are. Price change from 1 ct to 2 cts implies a rise of 100%, but a car price tag rise from 25.000.- (to be moderate) to 50.000 would be the same 100% rise. So statistic is just good if interpreted in a serious objective way. See politics !!! . By the way some entertaining: Newspaper clip (Germany): Parish St.Anton got their urns cemetary newly painted with some nice colours as the parish meant: I thought to bring a bit of live to the cemetary !! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Foss Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:40 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Survey Revision Dear List, I should have been more specific in my description of a serious player. I would say that a serious player might play with a community group or two on a regular basis and also devotes a sizeable amount of time to practicing on his or her own. This is not to say that anyone who does not fit this description is not a serious player, rather, it is simply the term that I will use for my project. I hope that everyone does not get stuck on my use of serious player, because I don't mean to put anyone down. I would like to include practicing only, please, because rehearsals are not continuous playing, like practicing is. Thank you very much William Foss Paul Ingraham's advice to young horn players: Find a good teacher. Practice diligently. Watch what you say to your colleagues. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/littlesmurf_upnorth%40yahoo.com - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Survey Revision
Do you make a distinction between practicing and rehearsing? John Baumgart -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Foss Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:22 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Survey Revision Dear List, I think that I will modify the amount of people who can respond, because I need more responses. If you consider yourself a fairly serious player; if you practice or play regularly, please send me privately or on-list an approximate amount of time that you practice on a weekly basis. Thank you William Foss Paul Ingraham's advice to young horn players: Find a good teacher. Practice diligently. Watch what you say to your colleagues. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/baumgart%40chicagonet.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Survey Revision
At 3:22 PM + 11/13/05, William Foss wrote: I think that I will modify the amount of people who can respond, because I need more responses. If you consider yourself a fairly serious player; if you practice or play regularly, please send me privately or on-list an approximate amount of time that you practice on a weekly basis. Greetings, William - I already sent you privately 54 responses which you undoubtedly knew were made up, but which, however, were more or less valid in terms of my opinion about how much professionals and teachers may practice. What I don't understand is what difference this all makes. It's a mathematics class. Why are you insistent on getting real responses? What's the point? By the way, it's who may respond, not who can respond. You are giving permission, not ability. Regards, Carlberg Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Survey Revision
Dear List, I should have been more specific in my description of a serious player. I would say that a serious player might play with a community group or two on a regular basis and also devotes a sizeable amount of time to practicing on his or her own. This is not to say that anyone who does not fit this description is not a serious player, rather, it is simply the term that I will use for my project. I hope that everyone does not get stuck on my use of serious player, because I don't mean to put anyone down. I would like to include practicing only, please, because rehearsals are not continuous playing, like practicing is. Thank you very much William Foss Paul Ingraham's advice to young horn players: Find a good teacher. Practice diligently. Watch what you say to your colleagues. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Survey Revision
Your informations are definitely wrong. Have you ever attended a rehearsal of a Bruckner Symphony or a Mahler Symphony ? I doubt that. There is so much to play that everyone is happy at the break. Do you earnestly think that practising is continuous playing ? Practising consists of learning a piece (etudes included) by reading it first, sometimes with the horn in hand so to practise the fingerings, sometimes without the horn in hand just reading the part. Then the playing starts. Some notes have to be thought about, maybe searching for alternative fingering, sometimes correcting a phrasing, water emptying the horn, adjusting the slides, counting rest measures, - all that is included in practise time. PRACTISE IS NOT CONTINUOUS PLAYING. ONLY IDIOTS DO THAT Sorry !!! Why do I call these people idiots ? Because they ruin their embouchure by continuously playing, ruining all the beauty of tone if they had it allready. They waste their time, as by this methode nothing will go forward. Thew profit of such practising is ZERO. Did you ever think, that professional musicians would be serious players also ? If you have a three hour rehearsal in the morning (a symphony or an operatic work) plus a performance at night lasting another 4 hours two twenty minutes break included, would you think that these unserious players would play less music than a student would play during a three hour practise session, interrupted by walks to the toilet, incoming or outgoing frequent celll phone calls ?? It might be better for your mathematic experiment, to ask the student community (high school level only !! Not college level !!) to answer your survey. Personally I think it be useless anyway, as many students (people who call themselves students ironiously !) might thak the results of the survey word by word think the average amount of practise time would be enough for them to get success. All the square roots you might take out of the survey are of evil anyway, as a lot of statistics are. Price change from 1 ct to 2 cts implies a rise of 100%, but a car price tag rise from 25.000.- (to be moderate) to 50.000 would be the same 100% rise. So statistic is just good if interpreted in a serious objective way. See politics !!! . By the way some entertaining: Newspaper clip (Germany): Parish St.Anton got their urns cemetary newly painted with some nice colours as the parish meant: I thought to bring a bit of live to the cemetary !! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Foss Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:40 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Survey Revision Dear List, I should have been more specific in my description of a serious player. I would say that a serious player might play with a community group or two on a regular basis and also devotes a sizeable amount of time to practicing on his or her own. This is not to say that anyone who does not fit this description is not a serious player, rather, it is simply the term that I will use for my project. I hope that everyone does not get stuck on my use of serious player, because I don't mean to put anyone down. I would like to include practicing only, please, because rehearsals are not continuous playing, like practicing is. Thank you very much William Foss Paul Ingraham's advice to young horn players: Find a good teacher. Practice diligently. Watch what you say to your colleagues. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Survey Revision
Though I am sure there are greater experts than I out on the list, I'll do my duty as a doctoral student in a research program (meaning, I've suffered my share of statistics courses) and ask you, William, about what exactly you have in mind for your survey. What hypotheses are you testing with the survey? Is there anything in particular you are trying to demonstrate or support with the info you gather? Is it just the one question regarding hours of practice? What types of analyses are you considering running? Knowing the answers to these questions will do wonders for clarifying your potential respondent pool and the phrasing in your survey, and will also help other list members give you the best data you can get. Best of luck, keep us updated! Erin Block Grad. Student, I/O Psychology St. Louis, MO William Foss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List, I think that I will modify the amount of people who can respond, because I need more responses. If you consider yourself a fairly serious player; if you practice or play regularly, please send me privately or on-list an approximate amount of time that you practice on a weekly basis. Thank you William Foss Paul Ingraham's advice to young horn players: Find a good teacher. Practice diligently. Watch what you say to your colleagues. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ireland1006%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Survey Revision
Your informations are definitely wrong. Have you ever attended a rehearsal of a Bruckner Symphony or a Mahler Symphony ? I doubt that. There is so much to play that everyone is happy at the break. Do you earnestly think that practising is continuous playing ? In my limited experience, I have not attended a rehearsal of either. I was operating within the limited boundaries of my own experience; rehearsals stop and start, the conductor asks for something different, we play again. And so on. I will try to make less generalizations in the future. I do not think of practicing as continuous playing. That was simply a poor choice of words on my part. What I meant was the time that you set aside for practicing. For example, I just (4:15- 5:50) set aside an hour and a half. I did not practice for the entire hour and a half, I took many short breaks but the majority was playing. I apologize again for my poor choice of words William Foss ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Survey Revision
Carlberg, I think you're way off base on this. The guy has a legitimate project. Ron ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
