Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture
Antiphonal horn section! Once our band had the horns and tubas at opposite ends, and the result was stereo ping pong oomp--pah. Anyone remember ping pong in stereo? Herb Foster From: John Baumgart john.baumg...@comcast.net To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 9:38:11 PM Subject: RE: [hornlist]Inauguration picture The odd shape of the stage probably had something to do with it. John Baumgart -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+john.baumgart=comcast@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+john.baumgart=comcast@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Herbert Foster Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:55 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture There are horns on the near side next to the tubas, and there are horns on the opposite side next to the trombones. What sort of arrangement is that, and who plays what? Herb Foster ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [hornlist] Inauguration picture
John, Would that be the course that the author WEB Griffin describes as learning not to piss in the potted palms? Ooohrah!!! Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: John Dutton dutto...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:30:32 To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [hornlist] Inauguration picture [quote] True, they don't go through the training, but an article in the Washington Post a few years ago pointed out that many take leave and go through training, thereby earning their rifles honestly. At the time of the article, the NCO bandmaster was preparing for his second tour of Iraq. They are Marines. They just take a slightly different path than most. [/quote] - The Washington Post was wrong. The President's Own and all assigned to it are non deployable. End of story. The only Fleet Marines that are there are some few that have duties such as loading crew and public affairs and a couple of other things. These Marines rotate in and out of that duty station like all Marines but are not musicians. There would be a senior NCO of that group but he would not be a Bandmaster. The senior NCO of the President's Own would be the Drum Major who is non-deployable. Any normal Marine that wins a playing position with the PO then becomes non-deployable as well. The term Bandmaster refers to the Fleet Marine Forces 12 field bands and by definition is the NCOIC and senior enlisted member of a given band. These Bandmasters would indeed deploy if their band deployed. A Bandmaster might or might not also have been a Drum Major. Perhaps the news article was confusing the PO with a Field Band or the School of Music there at Little Creek. The musicians of the President's Own do not go to Recruit Training and cannot detach to go do so. They do go through an orientation/crash course in Marine Corps protocol etc. I would wager that most of them won't in their career learn enough to speak Marine. You former Jarheads out there will know what I mean! It is the Drum Major's job to teach them how to march and carry their instruments and push the paperwork and Traditionally the head Drum Major has been a Fleet Marine and that person might very well have deployed in the past prior to accepting a posting to the President's Own. Col. Foley succeeded in setting a precedent for promoting a non-fleet Marine as DM but that didn't last long and the normal tradition resumed with Thomas Kohl. Ironically, the current assistant DM was one of my Marines from San Diego. He deployed overseas to Iraq (several times possibly) prior to his winning a posting to 8th I. Browne, the senior DM, was also a Fleet Marine prior to joining the PO. I have no idea whether he served in a combat area or not but he did get posted with the very excellent NATO band in Europe. The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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One need only look to the From line to determine the source of the message. It is included right underneath your signature. The USMC Band President's Own is the only service band that does not require its members to complete Basic Individual Training and each services equivalent of Advanced Individual Training if my information is still current. The new members of the President's Own attend a two week orientation course. I believe that that they are not really constituted under the USMC end strength but are raised under special category by Congressional action. Now for Walt, who may have missed the FROM: line on this message. Bill Gross -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Walter Lewis Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:56 AM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [hornlist]Inauguration picture Don't go taking potshots at the Corps, now boys. Some of us on this list are Marine families. I proudly say that my son served his hitch in the Corps (during 9-11 was on duty). That was the President's Own Marine Corps Band playing. My son told me that they are the only Marines that do not have to go through either the Parris Island or San Diego recruit training facilities, and regular Corps members really do not consider them to be Marines for that fact. Proudly signing his post (unlike others on this list who flame others and don't have the guts to sign their name). Walt Lewis --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Bill Gross william.s.gr...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bill Gross william.s.gr...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [hornlist]Inauguration picture To: 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 9:30 PM Standard Marine Corps policy, for every two riflemen there are two rooting and two taking pictures. Those might be the rooters for the band. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Simon Varnam Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:38 PM To: Leonard Peggy Brown Cc: horn list memphis Subject: Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture Incredible!! You can almost read their parts! I'm curious about the three people to the left (as viewed) of the horns, who have no instruments. Surely it doesn't take three to operate a fire extinguisher. :-) Simon On 2009/02/06, at 10:21, Leonard Peggy Brown wrote: - Original Message - From: Simon Varnam simonvar...@gmail.com To: waldh...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re:[hornlist] I'm afraid the picture didn't get through the system. :-( If it's online could you tell us the URL, please? Thanks Simon message: 4 date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:30:36 -0600 from: Leonard Peggy Brown waldh...@sbcglobal.net subject: [Hornlist] inauguration day Here is a really nice picture of the inauguratoin a few weeks ago. The neat thing is that you can zoom in for great detail. Forget about the people on stage, there is the Marine Corp. horn section in full cold glory right under Mr. Obama. (That is the USMC band isn't it?) Mark Q, your still in the band? LLB Simon, Other than the fact I didn't include the address I can't understand why you can't see the picture. Thanks for your note. Oh, it is the USMC band I can see the globe and anchor on their covers. http://gigapan.org/viewGigapanFullscreen.php?auth=033ef14483ee899496648c2b4b 06233c LLB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture
Two of them are officers (and hence next to useless) and the other two judging by the uniforms are likely musicians that were not slated to play. None of them are part of the loading crew or Public Affairs Office. I am sure they hitched a ride to see the inauguration. There are far more musicians in the President's Own than would be utilized in any one given band or chamber orchestra. The President's Own is not considered part of the regular Marine Corps. Officially it is a component of the Marine Corps Reserve but for paper pusher purposes only. The only way a regular Fleet Marine bandsman gets to that particular band is by the same audition everyone else takes. The lackey jobs like loading crew and public affairs tend to be regular Marines assigned to the 8th I Marine Barracks. Musicians of the Marine Band do NOT get the honor of wearing the crossed rifles insignia of the Fleet Marine Forces as they have not been through Recruit Training and are not in fact Riflemen First. Sadly, Fleet Marines are forced to give up their normal insignia upon acceptance to the President's Own. A trade off not readily understood by non Marines. The Jack Attack! John Dutton Sgt, USMC (former, not retired) message: 5 date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:37:32 +0900 from: Simon Varnam simonvar...@gmail.com subject: Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture Incredible!! You can almost read their parts! I'm curious about the three people to the left (as viewed) of the horns, who have no instruments. Surely it doesn't take three to operate a fire extinguisher. :-) Simon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [hornlist]Inauguration picture
Don't go taking potshots at the Corps, now boys. Some of us on this list are Marine families. I proudly say that my son served his hitch in the Corps (during 9-11 was on duty). That was the President's Own Marine Corps Band playing. My son told me that they are the only Marines that do not have to go through either the Parris Island or San Diego recruit training facilities, and regular Corps members really do not consider them to be Marines for that fact. Proudly signing his post (unlike others on this list who flame others and don't have the guts to sign their name). Walt Lewis --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Bill Gross william.s.gr...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bill Gross william.s.gr...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [hornlist]Inauguration picture To: 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 9:30 PM Standard Marine Corps policy, for every two riflemen there are two rooting and two taking pictures. Those might be the rooters for the band. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Simon Varnam Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:38 PM To: Leonard Peggy Brown Cc: horn list memphis Subject: Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture Incredible!! You can almost read their parts! I'm curious about the three people to the left (as viewed) of the horns, who have no instruments. Surely it doesn't take three to operate a fire extinguisher. :-) Simon On 2009/02/06, at 10:21, Leonard Peggy Brown wrote: - Original Message - From: Simon Varnam simonvar...@gmail.com To: waldh...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re:[hornlist] I'm afraid the picture didn't get through the system. :-( If it's online could you tell us the URL, please? Thanks Simon message: 4 date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:30:36 -0600 from: Leonard Peggy Brown waldh...@sbcglobal.net subject: [Hornlist] inauguration day Here is a really nice picture of the inauguratoin a few weeks ago. The neat thing is that you can zoom in for great detail. Forget about the people on stage, there is the Marine Corp. horn section in full cold glory right under Mr. Obama. (That is the USMC band isn't it?) Mark Q, your still in the band? LLB Simon, Other than the fact I didn't include the address I can't understand why you can't see the picture. Thanks for your note. Oh, it is the USMC band I can see the globe and anchor on their covers. http://gigapan.org/viewGigapanFullscreen.php?auth=033ef14483ee899496648c2b4b 06233c LLB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [hornlist]Inauguration picture
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:11:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture From: dutto...@gmail.com To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sadly, Fleet Marines are forced to give up their normal insignia upon acceptance to the President's Own. My understanding from talking to the few Devil Dogs that are in the President's Own is that you can keep the crossed rifles if you are a Staff Sergeant and above until you are promoted, then you revert to a music lyre. When I was visiting there (around the time you were, Jack), the drum major was from FMF, and a Master Gunnery Sergeant before he came over, so he kept the bursting bomb. The DM of our band, a Gunny at the time, finished second, but if he had won, he would have kept the crossed rifles until he was promoted to Master Sergeant. Two of them are officers (and hence next to useless) Hence their pay grade designator, Zero-1 through Zero-6 ;) Respectfully (somewhat) Submitted, Scott Young ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture
There are horns on the near side next to the tubas, and there are horns on the opposite side next to the trombones. What sort of arrangement is that, and who plays what? Herb Foster From: Simon Varnam simonvar...@gmail.com To: Leonard Peggy Brown waldh...@sbcglobal.net Cc: horn list memphis horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 8:37:32 PM Subject: Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture Incredible!! You can almost read their parts! I'm curious about the three people to the left (as viewed) of the horns, who have no instruments. Surely it doesn't take three to operate a fire extinguisher. :-) Simon On 2009/02/06, at 10:21, Leonard Peggy Brown wrote: - Original Message - From: Simon Varnam simonvar...@gmail.com To: waldh...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re:[hornlist] I'm afraid the picture didn't get through the system. :-( If it's online could you tell us the URL, please? Thanks Simon message: 4 date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:30:36 -0600 from: Leonard Peggy Brown waldh...@sbcglobal.net subject: [Hornlist] inauguration day Here is a really nice picture of the inauguratoin a few weeks ago. The neat thing is that you can zoom in for great detail. Forget about the people on stage, there is the Marine Corp. horn section in full cold glory right under Mr. Obama. (That is the USMC band isn't it?) Mark Q, your still in the band? LLB Simon, Other than the fact I didn't include the address I can't understand why you can't see the picture. Thanks for your note. Oh, it is the USMC band I can see the globe and anchor on their covers. http://gigapan.org/viewGigapanFullscreen.php?auth=033ef14483ee899496648c2b4b06233c LLB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [hornlist]Inauguration picture
That was the President's Own Marine Corps Band playing. My son told me that they are the only Marines that do not have to go through either the Parris Island or San Diego recruit training facilities, and regular Corps members really do not consider them to be Marines for that fact. True, they don't go through the training, but an article in the Washington Post a few years ago pointed out that many take leave and go through training, thereby earning their rifles honestly. At the time of the article, the NCO bandmaster was preparing for his second tour of Iraq. They are Marines. They just take a slightly different path than most. Margaret Margaret F. Dikel The Riley Guide 11218 Ashley Dr. Rockville, MD 20852 301-881-0122 mfri...@erols.com www.rileyguide.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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I am wondering if the officers being talked about are 2nd Johns which everyone in the Military knows are dumber than dog shit. LOL! So if so, the REALLY are useless. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: scott...@msn.com Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: RE: [hornlist]Inauguration picture Sent: Feb 6, 2009 12:44 PM Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:11:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture From: dutto...@gmail.com To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sadly, Fleet Marines are forced to give up their normal insignia upon acceptance to the President's Own. My understanding from talking to the few Devil Dogs that are in the President's Own is that you can keep the crossed rifles if you are a Staff Sergeant and above until you are promoted, then you revert to a music lyre. When I was visiting there (around the time you were, Jack), the drum major was from FMF, and a Master Gunnery Sergeant before he came over, so he kept the bursting bomb. The DM of our band, a Gunny at the time, finished second, but if he had won, he would have kept the crossed rifles until he was promoted to Master Sergeant. Two of them are officers (and hence next to useless) Hence their pay grade designator, Zero-1 through Zero-6 ;) Respectfully (somewhat) Submitted, Scott Young ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [hornlist] Inauguration picture
[quote] True, they don't go through the training, but an article in the Washington Post a few years ago pointed out that many take leave and go through training, thereby earning their rifles honestly. At the time of the article, the NCO bandmaster was preparing for his second tour of Iraq. They are Marines. They just take a slightly different path than most. [/quote] - The Washington Post was wrong. The President's Own and all assigned to it are non deployable. End of story. The only Fleet Marines that are there are some few that have duties such as loading crew and public affairs and a couple of other things. These Marines rotate in and out of that duty station like all Marines but are not musicians. There would be a senior NCO of that group but he would not be a Bandmaster. The senior NCO of the President's Own would be the Drum Major who is non-deployable. Any normal Marine that wins a playing position with the PO then becomes non-deployable as well. The term Bandmaster refers to the Fleet Marine Forces 12 field bands and by definition is the NCOIC and senior enlisted member of a given band. These Bandmasters would indeed deploy if their band deployed. A Bandmaster might or might not also have been a Drum Major. Perhaps the news article was confusing the PO with a Field Band or the School of Music there at Little Creek. The musicians of the President's Own do not go to Recruit Training and cannot detach to go do so. They do go through an orientation/crash course in Marine Corps protocol etc. I would wager that most of them won't in their career learn enough to speak Marine. You former Jarheads out there will know what I mean! It is the Drum Major's job to teach them how to march and carry their instruments and push the paperwork and Traditionally the head Drum Major has been a Fleet Marine and that person might very well have deployed in the past prior to accepting a posting to the President's Own. Col. Foley succeeded in setting a precedent for promoting a non-fleet Marine as DM but that didn't last long and the normal tradition resumed with Thomas Kohl. Ironically, the current assistant DM was one of my Marines from San Diego. He deployed overseas to Iraq (several times possibly) prior to his winning a posting to 8th I. Browne, the senior DM, was also a Fleet Marine prior to joining the PO. I have no idea whether he served in a combat area or not but he did get posted with the very excellent NATO band in Europe. The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [hornlist]Inauguration picture
The odd shape of the stage probably had something to do with it. John Baumgart -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+john.baumgart=comcast@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+john.baumgart=comcast@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Herbert Foster Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:55 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture There are horns on the near side next to the tubas, and there are horns on the opposite side next to the trombones. What sort of arrangement is that, and who plays what? Herb Foster ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture
Incredible!! You can almost read their parts! I'm curious about the three people to the left (as viewed) of the horns, who have no instruments. Surely it doesn't take three to operate a fire extinguisher. :-) Simon On 2009/02/06, at 10:21, Leonard Peggy Brown wrote: - Original Message - From: Simon Varnam simonvar...@gmail.com To: waldh...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re:[hornlist] I'm afraid the picture didn't get through the system. :-( If it's online could you tell us the URL, please? Thanks Simon message: 4 date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:30:36 -0600 from: Leonard Peggy Brown waldh...@sbcglobal.net subject: [Hornlist] inauguration day Here is a really nice picture of the inauguratoin a few weeks ago. The neat thing is that you can zoom in for great detail. Forget about the people on stage, there is the Marine Corp. horn section in full cold glory right under Mr. Obama. (That is the USMC band isn't it?) Mark Q, your still in the band? LLB Simon, Other than the fact I didn't include the address I can't understand why you can't see the picture. Thanks for your note. Oh, it is the USMC band I can see the globe and anchor on their covers. http://gigapan.org/viewGigapanFullscreen.php?auth=033ef14483ee899496648c2b4b06233c LLB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
