RE: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn?
I see that Ellen Stone has been identified already, but clicking the link under the picture to the back of the photo, I see the name Mecklin Marrow (at least, that's what it looks like to me). A search on that name, however, suggest perhaps I am looking for Macklin Marrow, conductor, composer, performer, producer, and Broadway music director who would have been about 39 at the time the picture was taken. According to a 1937 Time Article, he was known as "America's handsomest symphony conductor" (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,882810,00.html). He may also have been known as Macklin Morrow. -- Timothy A. Johnson, Owner TeamLogicIT of Roseville 3101 Old Hwy 8, Suite 204 Roseville, MN 55113 (612) 859-6293 - Mobile (651) 633-6354 - Office tjohn...@teamlogicit.com TeamLogicIT.com/roseville -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+timothyjohnson=netzero@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+timothyjohnson=netzero@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Dick Martz Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:37 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn? Hi, Guys: ...in a photo of Eric Hauser: http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/Hauser/ ... does anyone recognize the other two people in the photo? Thanks, Dick Martz ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn?
Thanks, Dick, this is very interesting history. By any chance have you come across a player by the name of Bernard Mott. He played in Sousa's band and then was principal horn in the Syracuse Symphony for many years. He was my first teacher in the 1950s and a wonderful player and musician. I have no idea who his teachers were, but he certainly was of the 5 valve B flat horn school that was prevalent among many players of the time (a beautiful King 5 valve with thumb stop valve; brass corpus but silver bell and first branch), although he told me that he previously had played a Schmidt full double. Sincerely, Tom -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+treicher=cooley@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+treicher=cooley@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Dick Martz Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:13 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn? I've put together a short bio of Mr. Hauser and updated the web page: http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/Hauser/ Dick Martz -- http://www.rjmartz.com/horns Horn Collection -- Original message from mu...@rgsmithmusic.com: -- > Can anyone give me any information on Eric Hauser. 40 years ago, I > used his book to move from euphonium to horn but have never known much > about him. The book is rather fast paced which seems about right for a > college kid learning a new instrument. And it has a huge variety of > material in it. > > Richard Smith > > > > > I tend to agree with the other reply. > > > > The 3rd slide isn’t wrapped as tightly as on a normal Bb > horn. > > > > Speaking in Pythagoras fraction, which is close enough to get the > > sense of > > dimensions: > > > > The F extension on a Bb horn has to be 1/3 of the theoretical length > > of the Bb horn (the real horn is a bit shorter due to the effect of > > the wide bell). > > > > The same way the 3rd valve of the F horn shall be 1/5 of the F horn > > length. Compared to a Bb horn the 3rd slide of the F horn has this length: > > 4/3*1/5. The resulting 4/15 of the Bb horn length is rather close to > > the > > 1/3 (=5/15) of an F extension for the Bb horn. And that 4th valve is > > larger than the normal 3rd valve of an F horn. > > > > Klaus > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Dick Martz wrote: > > > >> From: Dick Martz > >> Subject: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn? > >> To: horn@music.memphis.edu > >> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:36 PM Hi, Guys: > >> > >> I'm puzzled by a horn in a photo of Eric Hauser: > >> http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/Hauser/ > >> > >> It looks to me to be a single B-Flat horn with a fourth valve > >> perhaps intended as an F extension, however the lengths of the > >> third and fourth valve slides seem wrong. > >> Both appear to be too long for a normal third valve slide for a > >> B-flat horn and too short for an F extension. Actually the fourth > >> valve looks about right for an F horn third valve. Any ideas? > >> > >> Also, does anyone recognize the other two people in the photo? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Dick Martz > >> -- > >> > >> http://www.rjmartz.com/horns Horn Collection > >> > >> ___ > >> post: horn@music.memphis.edu > >> unsubscribe or set options at > >> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yorkmasterbbb%40yaho > >> o.com > >> > > > > > > > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/music%40rgsmithmusic. > > com > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rjmartz.lists%40att.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/treicher%40cooley.com This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. If you are the intended recipient, please be advised that the content of this message is subject to access, review and disclosure by the sender's Email Sys
Re: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn?
I've put together a short bio of Mr. Hauser and updated the web page: http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/Hauser/ Dick Martz -- http://www.rjmartz.com/horns Horn Collection -- Original message from mu...@rgsmithmusic.com: -- > Can anyone give me any information on Eric Hauser. 40 years ago, I used > his book to move from euphonium to horn but have never known much about > him. The book is rather fast paced which seems about right for a college > kid learning a new instrument. And it has a huge variety of material in > it. > > Richard Smith > > > > > I tend to agree with the other reply. > > > > The 3rd slide isn’t wrapped as tightly as on a normal Bb > horn. > > > > Speaking in Pythagoras fraction, which is close enough to get the sense of > > dimensions: > > > > The F extension on a Bb horn has to be 1/3 of the theoretical length of > > the Bb horn (the real horn is a bit shorter due to the effect of the wide > > bell). > > > > The same way the 3rd valve of the F horn shall be 1/5 of the F horn > > length. Compared to a Bb horn the 3rd slide of the F horn has this length: > > 4/3*1/5. The resulting 4/15 of the Bb horn length is rather close to the > > 1/3 (=5/15) of an F extension for the Bb horn. And that 4th valve is > > larger than the normal 3rd valve of an F horn. > > > > Klaus > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Dick Martz wrote: > > > >> From: Dick Martz > >> Subject: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn? > >> To: horn@music.memphis.edu > >> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:36 PM > >> Hi, Guys: > >> > >> I'm puzzled by a horn in a photo of Eric Hauser: > >> http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/Hauser/ > >> > >> It looks to me to be a single B-Flat horn with a fourth > >> valve perhaps intended as an F extension, however the > >> lengths of the third and fourth valve slides seem wrong. > >> Both appear to be too long for a normal third valve slide > >> for a B-flat horn and too short for an F extension. Actually > >> the fourth valve looks about right for an F horn third > >> valve. Any ideas? > >> > >> Also, does anyone recognize the other two people in the > >> photo? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Dick Martz > >> -- > >> > >> http://www.rjmartz.com/horns Horn Collection > >> > >> ___ > >> post: horn@music.memphis.edu > >> unsubscribe or set options at > >> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yorkmasterbbb%40yahoo.com > >> > > > > > > > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/music%40rgsmithmusic.com > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rjmartz.lists%40att.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn?
Some have thought the 3rd slide is the correct 3 half step length. However, maybe it's 4 half steps--major third. This would give the dedicated finger-wiggling Bb hornist many options... Herb Foster From: Dick Martz To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 5:36:37 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn? Hi, Guys: I'm puzzled by a horn in a photo of Eric Hauser: http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/Hauser/ It looks to me to be a single B-Flat horn with a fourth valve perhaps intended as an F extension, however the lengths of the third and fourth valve slides seem wrong. Both appear to be too long for a normal third valve slide for a B-flat horn and too short for an F extension. Actually the fourth valve looks about right for an F horn third valve. Any ideas? Also, does anyone recognize the other two people in the photo? Thanks, Dick Martz -- http://www.rjmartz.com/horns Horn Collection ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn?
Any idea of the maker of Eric Hauser's horn? Looks to me like a King, based on an instrument that my first teacher played, but I am not certain. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+treicher=cooley@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+treicher=cooley@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Dick Martz Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 8:13 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn? Thanks to Ben Reidhead and Klaus Bjerre for explaining the horn. I was pretty sure that's what it was but the lengths didn't look right to me at first glance and thanks to Klaus I now I have a math headache. I have not found any biographical information on Eric Hauser, yet. I have a couple of other photos of him from Chautauqua and of course he wrote or arranged several pieces for horn. I have identified Miss Ellen Stone, the young lady pictured with Eric Hauser. She was a New York freelancer in the 1930s and 1940s and a member of the Pittsburgh Symphony. She was probably a student of Josef Franzl. I've started a web page for Miss Stone and would appreciate any additional information about her or Eric Hauser: http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/Stone/ Dick Martz -- http://www.rjmartz.com/horns Horn Collection -- Original message from mu...@rgsmithmusic.com: -- > Can anyone give me any information on Eric Hauser. 40 years ago, I > used his book to move from euphonium to horn but have never known much > about him. The book is rather fast paced which seems about right for a > college kid learning a new instrument. And it has a huge variety of > material in it. > > Richard Smith > > > > > I tend to agree with the other reply. > > > > The 3rd slide isn’t wrapped as tightly as on a normal Bb > horn. > > > > Speaking in Pythagoras fraction, which is close enough to get the > > sense of > > dimensions: > > > > The F extension on a Bb horn has to be 1/3 of the theoretical length > > of the Bb horn (the real horn is a bit shorter due to the effect of > > the wide bell). > > > > The same way the 3rd valve of the F horn shall be 1/5 of the F horn > > length. Compared to a Bb horn the 3rd slide of the F horn has this length: > > 4/3*1/5. The resulting 4/15 of the Bb horn length is rather close to > > the > > 1/3 (=5/15) of an F extension for the Bb horn. And that 4th valve is > > larger than the normal 3rd valve of an F horn. > > > > Klaus > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Dick Martz wrote: > > > >> From: Dick Martz > >> Subject: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn? > >> To: horn@music.memphis.edu > >> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:36 PM Hi, Guys: > >> > >> I'm puzzled by a horn in a photo of Eric Hauser: > >> http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/Hauser/ > >> > >> It looks to me to be a single B-Flat horn with a fourth valve > >> perhaps intended as an F extension, however the lengths of the > >> third and fourth valve slides seem wrong. > >> Both appear to be too long for a normal third valve slide for a > >> B-flat horn and too short for an F extension. Actually the fourth > >> valve looks about right for an F horn third valve. Any ideas? > >> > >> Also, does anyone recognize the other two people in the photo? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Dick Martz > >> -- > >> > >> http://www.rjmartz.com/horns Horn Collection > >> > >> ___ > >> post: horn@music.memphis.edu > >> unsubscribe or set options at > >> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yorkmasterbbb%40yaho > >> o.com > >> > > > > > > > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/music%40rgsmithmusic. > > com > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rjmartz.lists%40att.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/treicher%40cooley.com This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the
Re: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn?
Thanks to Ben Reidhead and Klaus Bjerre for explaining the horn. I was pretty sure that's what it was but the lengths didn't look right to me at first glance and thanks to Klaus I now I have a math headache. I have not found any biographical information on Eric Hauser, yet. I have a couple of other photos of him from Chautauqua and of course he wrote or arranged several pieces for horn. I have identified Miss Ellen Stone, the young lady pictured with Eric Hauser. She was a New York freelancer in the 1930s and 1940s and a member of the Pittsburgh Symphony. She was probably a student of Josef Franzl. I've started a web page for Miss Stone and would appreciate any additional information about her or Eric Hauser: http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/Stone/ Dick Martz -- http://www.rjmartz.com/horns Horn Collection -- Original message from mu...@rgsmithmusic.com: -- > Can anyone give me any information on Eric Hauser. 40 years ago, I used > his book to move from euphonium to horn but have never known much about > him. The book is rather fast paced which seems about right for a college > kid learning a new instrument. And it has a huge variety of material in > it. > > Richard Smith > > > > > I tend to agree with the other reply. > > > > The 3rd slide isn’t wrapped as tightly as on a normal Bb > horn. > > > > Speaking in Pythagoras fraction, which is close enough to get the sense of > > dimensions: > > > > The F extension on a Bb horn has to be 1/3 of the theoretical length of > > the Bb horn (the real horn is a bit shorter due to the effect of the wide > > bell). > > > > The same way the 3rd valve of the F horn shall be 1/5 of the F horn > > length. Compared to a Bb horn the 3rd slide of the F horn has this length: > > 4/3*1/5. The resulting 4/15 of the Bb horn length is rather close to the > > 1/3 (=5/15) of an F extension for the Bb horn. And that 4th valve is > > larger than the normal 3rd valve of an F horn. > > > > Klaus > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Dick Martz wrote: > > > >> From: Dick Martz > >> Subject: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn? > >> To: horn@music.memphis.edu > >> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:36 PM > >> Hi, Guys: > >> > >> I'm puzzled by a horn in a photo of Eric Hauser: > >> http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/Hauser/ > >> > >> It looks to me to be a single B-Flat horn with a fourth > >> valve perhaps intended as an F extension, however the > >> lengths of the third and fourth valve slides seem wrong. > >> Both appear to be too long for a normal third valve slide > >> for a B-flat horn and too short for an F extension. Actually > >> the fourth valve looks about right for an F horn third > >> valve. Any ideas? > >> > >> Also, does anyone recognize the other two people in the > >> photo? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Dick Martz > >> -- > >> > >> http://www.rjmartz.com/horns Horn Collection > >> > >> ___ > >> post: horn@music.memphis.edu > >> unsubscribe or set options at > >> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yorkmasterbbb%40yahoo.com > >> > > > > > > > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/music%40rgsmithmusic.com > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rjmartz.lists%40att.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn?
Can anyone give me any information on Eric Hauser. 40 years ago, I used his book to move from euphonium to horn but have never known much about him. The book is rather fast paced which seems about right for a college kid learning a new instrument. And it has a huge variety of material in it. Richard Smith > > I tend to agree with the other reply. > > The 3rd slide isn’t wrapped as tightly as on a normal Bb horn. > > Speaking in Pythagoras fraction, which is close enough to get the sense of > dimensions: > > The F extension on a Bb horn has to be 1/3 of the theoretical length of > the Bb horn (the real horn is a bit shorter due to the effect of the wide > bell). > > The same way the 3rd valve of the F horn shall be 1/5 of the F horn > length. Compared to a Bb horn the 3rd slide of the F horn has this length: > 4/3*1/5. The resulting 4/15 of the Bb horn length is rather close to the > 1/3 (=5/15) of an F extension for the Bb horn. And that 4th valve is > larger than the normal 3rd valve of an F horn. > > Klaus > > > > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Dick Martz wrote: > >> From: Dick Martz >> Subject: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn? >> To: horn@music.memphis.edu >> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:36 PM >> Hi, Guys: >> >> I'm puzzled by a horn in a photo of Eric Hauser: >> http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/Hauser/ >> >> It looks to me to be a single B-Flat horn with a fourth >> valve perhaps intended as an F extension, however the >> lengths of the third and fourth valve slides seem wrong. >> Both appear to be too long for a normal third valve slide >> for a B-flat horn and too short for an F extension. Actually >> the fourth valve looks about right for an F horn third >> valve. Any ideas? >> >> Also, does anyone recognize the other two people in the >> photo? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dick Martz >> -- >> >> http://www.rjmartz.com/horns Horn Collection >> >> ___ >> post: horn@music.memphis.edu >> unsubscribe or set options at >> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yorkmasterbbb%40yahoo.com >> > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/music%40rgsmithmusic.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn?
I tend to agree with the other reply. The 3rd slide isn’t wrapped as tightly as on a normal Bb horn. Speaking in Pythagoras fraction, which is close enough to get the sense of dimensions: The F extension on a Bb horn has to be 1/3 of the theoretical length of the Bb horn (the real horn is a bit shorter due to the effect of the wide bell). The same way the 3rd valve of the F horn shall be 1/5 of the F horn length. Compared to a Bb horn the 3rd slide of the F horn has this length: 4/3*1/5. The resulting 4/15 of the Bb horn length is rather close to the 1/3 (=5/15) of an F extension for the Bb horn. And that 4th valve is larger than the normal 3rd valve of an F horn. Klaus --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Dick Martz wrote: > From: Dick Martz > Subject: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn? > To: horn@music.memphis.edu > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:36 PM > Hi, Guys: > > I'm puzzled by a horn in a photo of Eric Hauser: > http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/Hauser/ > > It looks to me to be a single B-Flat horn with a fourth > valve perhaps intended as an F extension, however the > lengths of the third and fourth valve slides seem wrong. > Both appear to be too long for a normal third valve slide > for a B-flat horn and too short for an F extension. Actually > the fourth valve looks about right for an F horn third > valve. Any ideas? > > Also, does anyone recognize the other two people in the > photo? > > Thanks, > > Dick Martz > -- > > http://www.rjmartz.com/horns Horn Collection > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yorkmasterbbb%40yahoo.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn?
I think the 3rd valve slide is the right length. It appears to be the same basic wrap as found on the third valve slide of the single Bb that Adam Unsworth plays. A picture can be found at http://www.adamunsworth.com/disc.html. As to the 4th valve, I once heard that an F extention could be made for a single Bb using a 3rd valve F slide, perhaps in combination with another valve. Hope this helps, Ben --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Dick Martz wrote: From: Dick Martz Subject: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn? To: horn@music.memphis.edu Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 3:36 PM Hi, Guys: I'm puzzled by a horn in a photo of Eric Hauser: http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/Hauser/ It looks to me to be a single B-Flat horn with a fourth valve perhaps intended as an F extension, however the lengths of the third and fourth valve slides seem wrong. Both appear to be too long for a normal third valve slide for a B-flat horn and too short for an F extension. Actually the fourth valve looks about right for an F horn third valve. Any ideas? Also, does anyone recognize the other two people in the photo? Thanks, Dick Martz -- http://www.rjmartz.com/horns Horn Collection ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/corno42%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
