Re: [Hornlist] Horn Evaluations
This would explain why I miss notes on my Holton every so often. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 2:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Horn Evaluations Now, I'm am the mostest of happies that we are finally back to discussions of horns and I am now in a position to make the mostestest erudite, knowledgeable, scholarly, literate, educated, cultivated, cultured, learned of evaluations so, in order to have a consistent, invariable, continuous, reliable, stable, steady, unvarying, controlled and fairestest of testifications, I have played the same piece, Kopprasch No. 1, on all of these horns and here are the resultant reviews: Alexander - misses a lot of notes Atkinson - misses a lot of notes Boosey and Hawkes - misses a lot of notes Bundy - misses a lot of notes Conn - misses a lot of notes Dieter Otto - misses a lot of notes Finke - misses a lot of notes Getzen - misses a lot of notes Holton - misses a lot of notes Jiracek - misses a lot of notes Jupiter - misses a lot of notes Kalison - misses a lot of notes Kruspe - misses a lot of notes Lawson - misses a lot of notes Lewis - misses a lot of notes Lidl - misses a lot of notes Olds - misses a lot of notes Paxman - misses a lot of notes Pizka Classic - misses a lot of notes Rauch - misses a lot of notes Reynolds - misses a lot of notes Sansone - misses a lot of notes Schmid - misses a lot of notes Schmidt - misses a lot of notes Thein - misses a lot of notes Willson - misses a lot of notes Yamaha - misses a lot of notes and so now you have the information you need to select the right horn for you and also be prepared to make critic on your colleagues horns as well! Kindestest Greetonings and Mostestest of Judgifications, Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist Principal 8th horn and Principal 4th Wagner Tuber, Schplittenotendorf am Oedland Staatsoper und Philharmoniker, (ret.) Solo Horn, Exit 2 Brass Quintet Hornist, Broken Winds WW Quintet Solo 4th Horn (Leader, call me for bookings), Smirnoff Horn Quartet Hornist as Needed, L'Ensemble du Chambre des Palourdes Principal Natural Horn, I Soloisti di Feces Principal Baroque and Hunting Horn, Camarata Vongoleforte Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn and Pest Control, Exit 2 Community College, Exit 2, NJ Author, "The Kopprasch Connection," "Kopprasch for Fun and Profit," "Kopprasch for the New Millenium: Where Do you Fit In?" and "Hooked on Hornonics" Founder, Director and CEO, Universal Institute for the Study, Preservation and Dissemination of Kopprasch Throughout the Solar System Founder and Guru Extraordinaire, Hornaholics Anonymous Grand Poobah of the Koppraschian Kult Director and Program Manager, The All Kopprasch Channel (AKC), Kopprasch Public Radio (KPR) Host of The Kopprasch Factor on AKC and "All Kopprasch Considered" on KPR Founder of Kopprasch Depot, your one stop shop for all you need! Interplanetarily Known Soloist and Artist of Record Phone: yes Fax: yes E-mail: yes Website: no "Kopprasch: it's all I do and I do it well." ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/horncrossing%40hotmail.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn Evaluations
Here is subject near and dear to my own heart. I am sure I am about to write a lengthy post. There will even be a constructive suggestion at the end of it, so you might want to just scroll down to miss all the subjective junk in between. What we are talking about is an independent evaluation body, a la Consumers Union, which would periodically purchase and evaluate horns, and perhaps other instruments as well. Not a bad idea, really, but how practical is it? Clearly, people do not trust the manufacturers to give us either flawless instruments or objective evaluations of the instruments they actually make. Manufacturers do test their instruments (this is a whole other subject on which to wax wroth) and do design them to certain standards and do indeed spend a good amount of time on R&D. Why then the seriously flawed instruments? The answer is simple: production line manufacturing methodologies. Despite all the vaunted talk about quality control and six sigma blah blah blah, humans put them together and are paid piece rate to do so. Factory-made horns will never show the level of quality that custom horns do, nor will custom horns ever be as affordable as factory horns. That said, nor will consumers ever completely trust dealers to give them the straight dope either. A store has a vested interest in a sale. That's why Consumers Union has been successful: it's independent. I doubt that a separate independent entity for testing musical instruments will ever arise of its own accord. The musical instrument industry is just too small a market for such an enterprise, and horns are an even smaller piece of an already too small market. Perhaps Consumers Union could produce a meaninful survey of its own annually (they may already do so, for all I know), but let's face it, who would be testing the instruments? Would it matter if the person testing that new Conn 11D is an old Kruspe player? Would they just have a brass instrument testing section, with trumpet players trying horns or vice versa? Very tricky, I think. Here's my suggestion, for what it's worth: the National Association of Professional Band Instrument Repair Technicians (NAPBIRT) has recently started an initiative called the Band Instrument Council (BIC). It is a liason-type initiative designed to survey repair technicians as to the ongoing problems they find in production line models of instruments. Some shops repair so many instruments (Music & Arts must touch close to 40,000 or 50,000 rental instruments a year, alone) that they have an interest in the manufacturers improving their product. It reduces costs, overhead, and improves profit on all those rental instruments. So, the BIC was formed to survey regarding the models, report the findings to the manufacturers, and create a dialogue with the manufacturers as to ways to improve quality of output. If you are interested in their findings, contact them and lobby them to publish their results. Remember, though, this initiative is relatively new and might still have sketchy data. And, more importantly, the surveys will almost certainly be weighted toward student rental models, and not the models that this list cares about the most. You should ask NAPBIRT to solicit comments on the models you care about, particulary. The web address is www.napbirt.org. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn Evaluations
Bob: Kansas killed Marquette by almost 40 points Syracuse beat Texas by 9 points John John David Smith, DMA Principal Horn Florida Philharmonic Orchestra ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn Evaluations
Marquette 61 Kansas 94 On Saturday, April 5, 2003, at 10:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope all is well on the left coast. BTW, did anyone catch the score of the Kansas vs. Marquette basketball game ?? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn Evaluations
Kansas over Marquette 94-61 Gotta love those games that keep you on the edge of your seat Jose David Villa-lobos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 4/5/2003 7:01:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Fabulous - just as I thought - my Berg doesn't miss lots of notes. > Hi Bob, I just received my new Berg last Wed. It doesn't miss a lot of notes either because for an extra $200 Keith removed all the bad notes before it shipped. and for an extra $50 he tuned it. ;^D Hope all is well on the left coast. BTW, did anyone catch the score of the Kansas vs. Marquette basketball game ?? Regards, Jerry in Kansas City ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/owens81sf49%40yahoo.com Jose D. Villalobos [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn Evaluations
In a message dated 4/5/2003 7:01:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Fabulous - just as I thought - my Berg doesn't miss lots of notes. > Hi Bob, I just received my new Berg last Wed. It doesn't miss a lot of notes either because for an extra $200 Keith removed all the bad notes before it shipped. and for an extra $50 he tuned it. ;^D Hope all is well on the left coast. BTW, did anyone catch the score of the Kansas vs. Marquette basketball game ?? Regards, Jerry in Kansas City ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn Evaluations
Abd Ricco Kurn ... François Lefebvre From: Alan Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Horn List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horn Evaluations Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 17:33:25 -0500 What about... Amati American Standard Bach Besson Blessing Buescher Carl Fischer Couesnon Eastman Geyer Huttl King Linz Mirafone Orsi Raoux-Millerau Selmer Winston York ? ? ? ? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. Alexander - misses a lot of notes Atkinson - misses a lot of notes Boosey and Hawkes - misses a lot of notes Bundy - misses a lot of notes Conn - misses a lot of notes Dieter Otto - misses a lot of notes Finke - misses a lot of notes Getzen - misses a lot of notes Holton - misses a lot of notes Jiracek - misses a lot of notes Jupiter - misses a lot of notes Kalison - misses a lot of notes Kruspe - misses a lot of notes Lawson - misses a lot of notes Lewis - misses a lot of notes Lidl - misses a lot of notes Olds - misses a lot of notes Paxman - misses a lot of notes Pizka Classic - misses a lot of notes Rauch - misses a lot of notes Reynolds - misses a lot of notes Sansone - misses a lot of notes Schmid - misses a lot of notes Schmidt - misses a lot of notes Thein - misses a lot of notes Willson - misses a lot of notes Yamaha - misses a lot of notes ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/frlefebvre%40hotmail.com _ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn Evaluations
In a message dated 4/5/03 10:01:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Fabulous - just as I thought - my Berg doesn't miss lots of notes. >> Double Fab! I see my Geyer didn't make his list either. Paul Mansur ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn Evaluations
Fabulous - just as I thought - my Berg doesn't miss lots of notes. On Saturday, April 5, 2003, at 10:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, I'm am the mostest of happies that we are finally back to discussions of horns and I am now in a position to make the mostestest erudite, knowledgeable, scholarly, literate, educated, cultivated, cultured, learned of evaluations so, in order to have a consistent, invariable, continuous, reliable, stable, steady, unvarying, controlled and fairestest of testifications, I have played the same piece, Kopprasch No. 1, on all of these horns and here are the resultant reviews: Alexander - misses a lot of notes Atkinson - misses a lot of notes Boosey and Hawkes - misses a lot of notes Bundy - misses a lot of notes Conn - misses a lot of notes Dieter Otto - misses a lot of notes Finke - misses a lot of notes Getzen - misses a lot of notes Holton - misses a lot of notes Jiracek - misses a lot of notes Jupiter - misses a lot of notes Kalison - misses a lot of notes Kruspe - misses a lot of notes Lawson - misses a lot of notes Lewis - misses a lot of notes Lidl - misses a lot of notes Olds - misses a lot of notes Paxman - misses a lot of notes Pizka Classic - misses a lot of notes Rauch - misses a lot of notes Reynolds - misses a lot of notes Sansone - misses a lot of notes Schmid - misses a lot of notes Schmidt - misses a lot of notes Thein - misses a lot of notes Willson - misses a lot of notes Yamaha - misses a lot of notes and so now you have the information you need to select the right horn for you and also be prepared to make critic on your colleagues horns as well! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn Evaluations
What about... Amati American Standard Bach Besson Blessing Buescher Carl Fischer Couesnon Eastman Geyer Huttl King Linz Mirafone Orsi Raoux-Millerau Selmer Winston York ? ? ? ? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. Alexander - misses a lot of notes Atkinson - misses a lot of notes Boosey and Hawkes - misses a lot of notes Bundy - misses a lot of notes Conn - misses a lot of notes Dieter Otto - misses a lot of notes Finke - misses a lot of notes Getzen - misses a lot of notes Holton - misses a lot of notes Jiracek - misses a lot of notes Jupiter - misses a lot of notes Kalison - misses a lot of notes Kruspe - misses a lot of notes Lawson - misses a lot of notes Lewis - misses a lot of notes Lidl - misses a lot of notes Olds - misses a lot of notes Paxman - misses a lot of notes Pizka Classic - misses a lot of notes Rauch - misses a lot of notes Reynolds - misses a lot of notes Sansone - misses a lot of notes Schmid - misses a lot of notes Schmidt - misses a lot of notes Thein - misses a lot of notes Willson - misses a lot of notes Yamaha - misses a lot of notes ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn Evaluations
Herr Professor, So I guess if it is not on your list, it's okay. I'm rushing out to buy a Hoyer !! BTW are you a pacifist too ? Mark L. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
