Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease and valve oil

2009-03-03 Thread Jeremy Cucco

It is true (or should be at least, given the quality of the horn).

However, there are a few other factors.

Foreign contaminants can get into the instrument (cheeseburger, sugar, 
dust, dirt, hair, and other debris) and adhere to the valve surface.  
This often accounts for the scratching sound one hears when they depress 
the valves.  Also, grease from slides can and will get down into the 
valve casings as well.  All of this junk that gets in there can impact 
the motion of the valves.  Using a light lubricant flushes the valves as 
well as keeps them slick so things don't stick to them in the first place. 

However, the moisture in the horn is often enough to assist this and one 
shouldn't need to place mass quantities of oil into their horns on a 
regular basis.  The *main* reason to oil inside the horn is that the raw 
brass (both the valve and the insides of the slides) are very 
susceptible to corrosion.  Keeping a thin coating of oil on these 
surfaces assists in keeping this corrosion away.  If your valves are 
nickel plated (some are, most aren't), then this is less of a problem. 

As a general rule, I place several drops of thin oil in my leadpipe on a 
weekly basis.  I also use a needle oiler and a thicker oil on the rear 
spindle (where the corks and strings are) and a thinner oil in a needle 
oiler on the top bearing plates.  I also use a thicker oil on all 
springs/rods and on spit valve assemblies.  For slides, I like both Fast 
Cat (or is it Fat Cat??  I can't remember - it's purple and thick and 
works great) and Hetman.  Only rarely do I find myself placing a little 
light rotor oil down into the valves themselves.


I can honestly say, I've *never* had a problem with any of my valves 
with the exception of a polycarbonate valve that gummed up on me all the 
time with the introduction of any oil whatsoever.  Nor have I ever had 
any problems with my slides.  If I did ever have a slide that was too 
polished, it wasn't hard to put a light scratch finish on them to better 
hold the slide grease in place.


Cheers-
Jeremy

whitacreh...@aol.com wrote:

Is?it really true that the rotor surfaces do not touch the sides of the valve 
casing, so it in not necessary to oil inside the valve?

message: 8

date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:55:49 -0500

from: "Luke Zyla" 

subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease and valve oil

?

Check out the wikipedia entry on lanolin: 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanolin

?

I find the lanolin combines with the condensation inside the horn and creates 
an emulsion that make the horn gurgle and is difficult to remove without 
cleaning the horn with a good solvent (soap) and brush.

?

About oiling the valves.

There are only two bearings on rotor valves.? The rotor surfaces do not touch 
the sides of the valve casing, so it in not necessary to oil inside the valve.? 
Adding oil inside the valve only creates a mess that must be cleaned out or 
diluted by adding more and more oil.? Start by removing the valves and clean 
them well.? Oil only the bearings upon reassembly.? Your valves will work 
quickly and need only very occasional oiling on the top and bottom bearings.? 
Heed Hans' advice and stop over oiling your valves.

?

CORdially,

Luke Zyla
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Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease and valve oil

2009-03-03 Thread whitacrehill

Is?it really true that the rotor surfaces do not touch the sides of the valve 
casing, so it in not necessary to oil inside the valve?

message: 8

date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:55:49 -0500

from: "Luke Zyla" 

subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease and valve oil

?

Check out the wikipedia entry on lanolin: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanolin

?

I find the lanolin combines with the condensation inside the horn and creates 
an emulsion that make the horn gurgle and is difficult to remove without 
cleaning the horn with a good solvent (soap) and brush.

?

About oiling the valves.

There are only two bearings on rotor valves.? The rotor surfaces do not touch 
the sides of the valve casing, so it in not necessary to oil inside the valve.? 
Adding oil inside the valve only creates a mess that must be cleaned out or 
diluted by adding more and more oil.? Start by removing the valves and clean 
them well.? Oil only the bearings upon reassembly.? Your valves will work 
quickly and need only very occasional oiling on the top and bottom bearings.? 
Heed Hans' advice and stop over oiling your valves.

?

CORdially,

Luke Zyla
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Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease and valve oil

2009-03-03 Thread Luke Zyla
Check out the wikipedia entry on lanolin: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanolin


I find the lanolin combines with the condensation inside the horn and 
creates an emulsion that make the horn gurgle and is difficult to remove 
without cleaning the horn with a good solvent (soap) and brush.


About oiling the valves.
There are only two bearings on rotor valves.  The rotor surfaces do not 
touch the sides of the valve casing, so it in not necessary to oil inside 
the valve.  Adding oil inside the valve only creates a mess that must be 
cleaned out or diluted by adding more and more oil.  Start by removing the 
valves and clean them well.  Oil only the bearings upon reassembly.  Your 
valves will work quickly and need only very occasional oiling on the top and 
bottom bearings.  Heed Hans' advice and stop over oiling your valves.


CORdially,
Luke Zyla

- Original Message - 
From: "David A. Jewell" 

To: "The Horn List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease


From: Martin Bender 
To: The Horn List 
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 8:13:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease

...It's really rendered sheep fat (which has a biologic source) and supports 
the growth of stuff inside your horn where it is warm and damp-- conditions 
which bacteria really like.


Sincerely,
martin bender

Not to pick a nit but lanolin is not really sheep fat. It is a naturally 
occurring chemical that coats the fleece. It comes from the outside of the 
animal, not the inside. But I agree with the advice about not using it - it 
can eventually decompose, become really smelly, and the worst of it Martin 
stated above.


Paxmaha







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