Re: [Hornlist] high D in Haydn symphony N.99
At 08:58 AM 11/11/2003, you wrote: I received the parts for our next program and saw, for the first time in my amatorial carreer, a high D (written E, horn in Eb) in the menuetto of Haydn Symphony N.99. Frankly, I'd prefer not to risk that in a concert. I listened to a Concertgebouw recording (Harnoncourt), and I'm sure that their 1st horn is not playing that note. How to manage it? Since it's an ascending arpeggio Bb-D-F-Bb-D, I plan to play the last two notes one octave lower. Suggestions? Talk to your conductor. We did this piece last year, and our conductor said as parts were handed out I don't care how you do it -- slurred, staccato, or what. I found that slurring the B flat to D worked well for me (got 3 out of 4), but I had about 8 weeks of warning and warmed up to D every day. However you do it, ask the 2nd horn to play the same articulation. Margaret Margaret Dikel JCCSO Librarian / Horn 11218 Ashley Drive, Rockville MD 20852 301-881-0122 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] high D in Haydn symphony N.99
Reminds me of the old trick of 'half-valving' to get the c3 on an 8D we messed with way back in college. I haven't tried that for many yearsanyone remember the technique? Fred - Original Message - From: Paul Kampen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:11 AM Subject: [Hornlist] high D in Haydn symphony N.99 Message text written by The Horn List Frankly, I'd prefer not to risk that in a concert. I listened to a Concertgebouw recording (Harnoncourt), and I'm sure that their 1st horn is not playing that note. How to manage it? Dear All This one is naughty but nice! An old dodge in this country is to play the note 1st valve on the F horn WITH THE 1ST VALVE SLIDE REMOVED! I once played 2nd in a BBC recording of this symphony with a player who has been very well known in London for nearly 30 years (this was in his and my early days in Manchester) and he played it this way (you have to do it three times bearing in mind the repeat and da capo of the minuet). He got a thumbs up from the production 'box' after the third time. Cheers Paul A. Kampen, 4th horn - Orchestra of Opera North (Leeds UK) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] high D in Haydn symphony N.99
I have heard it played many times, but have not played it myself. The arpeggio is played mezzo forte and can be played with a decresendo. Thus the last note can be ghosted or 'pinched'. Regards Harriet Nielsen Dalley ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] high D in Haydn symphony N.99
If you have access to a descant horn it will make your life a lot easier! Otherwise, if the arepeggio is slow, perhaps you could fake it and sing the note? I once sang an A below your D for 12 counts at fortissimo during a concert. I had a lot more to play after that. For all the effort of screaming a high A, there was absolutely no musical reward, so I saved myself. Afterwards, my buddy goes: Nice A!. He laughed pretty hard when I told him I sang it! Chris --- Daniel Canarutto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received the parts for our next program and saw, for the first time in my amatorial carreer, a high D (written E, horn in Eb) in the menuetto of Haydn Symphony N.99. Frankly, I'd prefer not to risk that in a concert. I listened to a Concertgebouw recording (Harnoncourt), and I'm sure that their 1st horn is not playing that note. How to manage it? Since it's an ascending arpeggio Bb-D-F-Bb-D, I plan to play the last two notes one octave lower. Suggestions? -- Daniel Canarutto mathematical physicist dedicated amateur hornist http://www.dma.unifi.it/~canarutto/ (professional home page) http://www.corno.it (Il Club del Corno) http://www.amadeusorchestra.org (orchestra Amadeus - Firenze) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] high D in Haydn symphony N.99
When playing music like this (high Haydn or Bach) with a smaller, lighter-sounding orchestra, you should use a double-descant or high F horn. The double's sound is too present. I use a screw-rim mouthpiece, and so I change the cup to a shallower, smaller-bore size for lighter, soft, high material. There are those out there who scream cheat, cheat when the descant is brought up. Don't worry about them - just use the best tool for the job. You don't see trumpet players playing the Brandenburg on a Bb trumpet do you? Best of luck, Scott --- Daniel Canarutto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received the parts for our next program and saw, for the first time in my amatorial carreer, a high D (written E, horn in Eb) in the menuetto of Haydn Symphony N.99. Frankly, I'd prefer not to risk that in a concert. I listened to a Concertgebouw recording (Harnoncourt), and I'm sure that their 1st horn is not playing that note. How to manage it? Since it's an ascending arpeggio Bb-D-F-Bb-D, I plan to play the last two notes one octave lower. Suggestions? -- Daniel Canarutto mathematical physicist dedicated amateur hornist http://www.dma.unifi.it/~canarutto/ (professional home page) http://www.corno.it (Il Club del Corno) http://www.amadeusorchestra.org (orchestra Amadeus - Firenze) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornhog%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] high D in Haydn symphony N.99
That arpeggio isn't too difficult. Just use lots and lots of air and it'll just pop out. The high Bb isn't really that far off from the D. -William In a message dated 11/11/2003 8:31:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: Re: [Hornlist] high D in Haydn symphony N.99 Date: 11/11/2003 8:31:54 PM Pacific Standard Time From: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A To: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Sent from the Internet When playing music like this (high Haydn or Bach) with a smaller, lighter-sounding orchestra, you should use a double-descant or high F horn. The double's sound is too present. I use a screw-rim mouthpiece, and so I change the cup to a shallower, smaller-bore size for lighter, soft, high material. There are those out there who scream cheat, cheat when the descant is brought up. Don't worry about them - just use the best tool for the job. You don't see trumpet players playing the Brandenburg on a Bb trumpet do you? Best of luck, Scott --- Daniel Canarutto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received the parts for our next program and saw, for the first time in my amatorial carreer, a high D (written E, horn in Eb) in the menuetto of Haydn Symphony N.99. Frankly, I'd prefer not to risk that in a concert. I listened to a Concertgebouw recording (Harnoncourt), and I'm sure that their 1st horn is not playing that note. How to manage it? Since it's an ascending arpeggio Bb-D-F-Bb-D, I plan to play the last two notes one octave lower. Suggestions? -- Daniel Canarutto mathematical physicist dedicated amateur hornist http://www.dma.unifi.it/~canarutto/ (professional home page) http://www.corno.it (Il Club del Corno) http://www.amadeusorchestra.org(orchestra Amadeus - Firenze) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornhog%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] high D in Haydn symphony N.99
Scott, I just do the opposite, using a single high F for those pieces requiring extremely light tone (Haydn, Bach, Haendel), but with my regular deep conical small rimmed 5 mms bore mouthpiece, to achieve an acceptable tone quality (for my ears). When I had not adapted to that 5 mms bore mouthpieces, I used them on the high F exclusively to compensate the loss of overtones. Try it once know the difference. There are pieces requiring high f3 (played), annotated as g3 (four ledger lines above staff, treble clef, in E-flat) in cadenza, well, then I used a shallow cuplike wide rimmed mouthpiece, as the pieces were like trumpeter or clarino pieces with the horn swirling in the stratospheres. This was for recordings only, 4 very high baroque horn concertos within one day. The effect of the mps worked, but I had noticed that one cannot risk a break during the sessions must trust the sound engineer, as the lips tend to swell if you stop playing. This comes as one tries to compensate the loss of overtones by more energy resulting in quite some more pressure. So it is dangerous for the inexperienced. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Pappal Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:32 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] high D in Haydn symphony N.99 When playing music like this (high Haydn or Bach) with a smaller, lighter-sounding orchestra, you should use a double-descant or high F horn. The double's sound is too present. I use a screw-rim mouthpiece, and so I change the cup to a shallower, smaller-bore size for lighter, soft, high material. There are those out there who scream cheat, cheat when the descant is brought up. Don't worry about them - just use the best tool for the job. You don't see trumpet players playing the Brandenburg on a Bb trumpet do you? Best of luck, Scott --- Daniel Canarutto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received the parts for our next program and saw, for the first time in my amatorial carreer, a high D (written E, horn in Eb) in the menuetto of Haydn Symphony N.99. Frankly, I'd prefer not to risk that in a concert. I listened to a Concertgebouw recording (Harnoncourt), and I'm sure that their 1st horn is not playing that note. How to manage it? Since it's an ascending arpeggio Bb-D-F-Bb-D, I plan to play the last two notes one octave lower. Suggestions? -- Daniel Canarutto mathematical physicist dedicated amateur hornist http://www.dma.unifi.it/~canarutto/ (professional home page) http://www.corno.it (Il Club del Corno) http://www.amadeusorchestra.org (orchestra Amadeus - Firenze) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornhog%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
