Re: [Hornlist] Tenor horn?

2008-03-01 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
It certainly isn't the standard British tenor horn as found in British  brass 
bands, but could well be a rotary valve forward pointing aberration of an  
aberration.
 
Cheers,
 
Lawrence
 
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RE: [Hornlist] Tenor horn?

2008-03-01 Thread Linda
According to their entry on Wikipedia, it could be a bass trumpet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnozil_Brass 

Linda

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Is this the European tenor horn that was being discussed a few days ago? If
not, can anyone identify this lovely sounding brass instrument?  (The first
one played in this ensemble.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBLm747tyn0

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Re: [Hornlist] Tenor horn?

2008-03-01 Thread Martin Bender
I believe it's a bass trumpet. Interestingly, Stravinsky also used it  
in Le Sacre.


Sincerely,
martin bender




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According to their entry on Wikipedia, it could be a bass trumpet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnozil_Brass

Linda

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Is this the European tenor horn that was being discussed a few days  
ago? If
not, can anyone identify this lovely sounding brass instrument?   
(The first

one played in this ensemble.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBLm747tyn0

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Re: [Hornlist] Tenor horn?

2008-03-01 Thread nlaws2001
If I' m not mistaken the ensemble calls it a Mnozil brass tuba or Kronos.  It 
is custom made by Melton and sold @ Schagerl.  It is pitched in F w/ 5 valves 
and 3 triggers.

--
Nelson R. Lawson, Sr.
Music Education Consultant
French Hornist

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 I believe it's a bass trumpet. Interestingly, Stravinsky also used it  
 in Le Sacre.
 
 Sincerely,
 martin bender
 
 
 
 
 On 1-Mar-08, at 1:43 PM, Linda wrote:
 
  According to their entry on Wikipedia, it could be a bass trumpet.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnozil_Brass
 
  Linda
 
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  Is this the European tenor horn that was being discussed a few days  
  ago? If
  not, can anyone identify this lovely sounding brass instrument?   
  (The first
  one played in this ensemble.)
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBLm747tyn0
 
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Re: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-08 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
 
In a message dated 08/01/2007 02:16:16 GMT Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

http://www.angelfire.com/ult/caquino


I'm afraid this guy sounds so much like an ex pupil of mine (who wasn't  
joking).
 
The kid was completely unteachable because his dad was helping him and  
encouraged him to play like this.  His already foot wide vibrato he  
exaggerated 
even more after a brass banding mate of his dad's told him it was  the 
sweetest tone he'd ever heard. (and no, I didn't have the option of not  
teaching 
him).
 
All the best,
 
Lawrence
 
lawrenceyates.co.uk
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Re: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-08 Thread Daniel Canarutto

Maybe this will satisfy your hunger?
http://www.angelfire.com/ult/caquino/


Ah ah ah!
Well, I imagine I could set up a web site with my recordings, 
challenging Hans Pizka to a Longcall duel, Stefan Dohr to Strauss n.2 
and so on. With the internet you can do that.


By the way, the Italian of the tenor is so wrong that I couldn't 
understand it if I didn't know the original words.


Daniel
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Re: [Hornlist] tenor, FF Jenkins, etc.

2007-01-08 Thread jrb_lists

At 05:51 PM 1/7/2007, Rob Schmidtke wrote:
I want more more more. I love FFJ her voice is so .. 
diffused.   I remember hearing a trumpet player doing a similar 
bang  up job on the Hummel concerto. Dare I ask if there are any 
equally gifted Horn players out there. Please post links if you have them.

Rob Schmidtke


This is (way) outside the world of classical music. NHR to the max,

BUT

this thread cannot continue without at least a mention of Mrs. 
Miller.  Pop Music world, yes, but certainly the same mental orientation.


Wikipedia entry:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs_Miller

THE Mrs. Miller site with video clips:   http://www.mrsmillersworld.com

Another good site with audio 
clips: http://franklarosa.com/vinyl/Exhibit.jsp?AlbumID=77


Google and YouTube will find many others, Mrs. Miller has a large fan base.

Sorry about that.


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John Burch
West burbs of Chicago
RANK amateur

The surest sign that intelligent life exists in the universe
is that it has never tried to contact us.
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Re: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-08 Thread rob schmidtke
   yes such flexibility and softness of tone. Not to mention smothness of 
line.Nice
Rob

Paul Rincon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe this will satisfy your hunger?

http://www.angelfire.com/ult/caquino/

Some wonderfully expressive and musical trumpet playing...listen for
yourself! The Hummel is especially tasty, as is the Peer Gynt.

Enjoy!

Paul Rincon



On 1/7/07, rob schmidtke  wrote:

 I want more more more. I love FFJ her voice is so .. diffused.   I
 remember hearing a trumpet player doing a similar bang  up job on the Hummel
 concerto. Dare I ask if there are any equally gifted Horn players out there.
 Plaese post links if you have them.
 Rob Schmidtke

 Klaus Bjerre  wrote:
 --- hans  wrote:

  Go  visit the following site to get your surprise:
  www.tenor.dk
 
  There are a lot folks out  - without any self critic.

 This is sad!

 Even more so as this guy is born in and lives in the town, where I lived,
 when we moved back to
 Denmark in 1958. I lived there until I took, what the Germans call Arbitur
 in 1966.

 My very old father still lives there in the same house. He has organised a
 lot of concerts over
 the years, but it is too late night right now to phone him and ask him
 about this impostor.

 This guy must be around my age, but I never heard of him, even if we were
 in the same town at the
 same time. And even if I was in the best of two bands and in the only
 (small) orchestra. The town
 of Holbæk was rather small back then, which is no longer the case, as it
 has developed into a
 housing area for Copenhagen.

 In 1990-91 I returned as 4th horn in a really large musical project. That
 man certainly was not
 asked to sing there.

 Holbæk used to be the home of another impostor, which is far more
 dangerous, because he is our
 minister of culture. Sadly sports belong to that department, and that is
 the only part of his
 portfolio, which that man has any idea about.

 Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre

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RE: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-07 Thread Klaus Bjerre

--- hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Did you mean abitur ?? Means Abgang in German, Abgang
 from School, leaveing school. In Austria it is called
 Matura or Maturity, but it is anything else than maturity,
 but it is meant as maturity to go to university.
 

Of course I meant Abitur. Studentereksamen in Danish, which also means an examn 
qualifying for
further studies.

But it isn’t really so any more, and regarding some studies and some attractive 
colleges it even
back in my days was so, that one had to have a high average score. Mine allowed 
me to study where
I wanted. It even allowed me to study musicology after my rather early 
retirement. That was great
fun to dig down in the toolboxes of Bach and Schönberg among others.

About the self-alleged singer: He maintains to have studied 6 years at a 
private school in
Copenhagen. I tried to trace that school. It does not exist any more. The 
person who had given his
name to that school, was a Finnish singer and pedagogue, who was born in 1880. 
The present singer
was born some time around 1950. Some people teach into a very ripe age, but I 
still smell a rat.

For those reading Danish the page holds a copy of an ad, where the singer asks 
for a good pianist,
who will get the chance to boost his/hers career. 

The sad thing is, that in some contexts people get away with making music at 
this level. In some
social circles music is not something to love and to understand. It only is 
there for snobbish
reasons.

The most relevant word is “sad”.

Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre

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Re: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-07 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
Ah Hans - when I sent my first reply I didn't realise that one could  
actually listen to this guy - I thought it was a joke site you'd set up.
 
Now I've listened to him - now I understand!
 
Cheers,
 
Lawrence
 
lawrenceyates.co.uk
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Re: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-07 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
 
 
In a message dated 07/01/2007 10:11:11 GMT Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I find  it hard to beleive that this is anything but a joke, and a rather 
good one at  that.


I'm sorry, I know singers who are very nearly as skilled as  this who are 
very proud of their achievements. The sad thing is that they are  often invited 
to sing at church services and the like by those who can't  tell.  This 
reinforces their confidence and self esteem.
 
Having said that, I've just got up to Nessun Dorma - maybe you're  right.
 
All the best,
 
Lawrence
lawrenceyates.co.uk
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Re: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-07 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
In fact, it sounds as though the voice part has been slowed down (LP style  
so lowering the pitch)  Maybe played back at the right speed it would sound  
better.
 
Cheers,
 
Lawrence
 
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Re: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-07 Thread Klaus Bjerre

--- Sven Bring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I find it hard to beleive that this is anything but a joke, and a rather good 
 one at that.
 
 Sven

I think this guy goes for it without hesitation. He has been through a severe 
car-crash, which I
think made him loose his perspective, if he ever had one.

The Danish Yellow Pages confirm, that his name and address are consistent with 
his phone number.

My father never knew about this guy, even if my father was a voluntary church 
concert manager in
Holbæk. But my father at once recognised the name of the piano player. She may 
not be among us any
more. My father remembers her as a little grey-haired lady, so she likely was 
older than my
father, who was born in 1917. She must have been quite old at the year of the 
recording, 2001.

If my memory does not cheat on me, I never met her, but I remember her being 
one of the three
klaverdamer (= pianoladies), who taught the kids in Holbæk back in my teens. My 
reference person
for that works in Brazil, and we have not met for 30 years. The other reference 
persons are long
gone.

The wannabe singer becomes pathetic, when he asks for international 
sponsorships to support his
career. He cites a bank account number, which does not even work within 
Denmark, because it has
the wrong number of ciphers.

Opposite to some other list members, I have not listened to all of the tracks. 
My ears refuse to
do so. 

But I am happy about one personal decision done 6+ years ago. When I no longer 
were significantly
better than my former students, then I stopped playing in public.

Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre

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Re: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-07 Thread Kjellrun Hestekin

Hmmm,

Scrolling down on his page I noticed a line Buy Property in Spain - 
maybe a hint as to how seriously he should be taken ... maybe sings 
well for a real estate agent (or scam artist???)???


Kjellrun


On 6-Jan-07, at 5:14 PM, hans wrote:


Go  visit the following site to get your surprise:
www.tenor.dk

There are a lot folks out  - without any self critic.

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School of Music 
Memorial University
St. John's, NL
Canada   A1C 5S7
ph: (709) 737 - 8466
fax 709 737 2666
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Re: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-07 Thread rob schmidtke
I want more more more. I love FFJ her voice is so .. diffused.   I 
remember hearing a trumpet player doing a similar bang  up job on the Hummel 
concerto. Dare I ask if there are any equally gifted Horn players out there. 
Plaese post links if you have them.
Rob Schmidtke

Klaus Bjerre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
--- hans  wrote:

 Go  visit the following site to get your surprise:
 www.tenor.dk
 
 There are a lot folks out  - without any self critic.

This is sad!

Even more so as this guy is born in and lives in the town, where I lived, when 
we moved back to
Denmark in 1958. I lived there until I took, what the Germans call Arbitur in 
1966. 

My very old father still lives there in the same house. He has organised a lot 
of concerts over
the years, but it is too late night right now to phone him and ask him about 
this impostor.

This guy must be around my age, but I never heard of him, even if we were in 
the same town at the
same time. And even if I was in the best of two bands and in the only (small) 
orchestra. The town
of Holbæk was rather small back then, which is no longer the case, as it has 
developed into a
housing area for Copenhagen.

In 1990-91 I returned as 4th horn in a really large musical project. That man 
certainly was not
asked to sing there.

Holbæk used to be the home of another impostor, which is far more dangerous, 
because he is our
minister of culture. Sadly sports belong to that department, and that is the 
only part of his
portfolio, which that man has any idea about.

Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre

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Re: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-07 Thread Paul Rincon

Maybe this will satisfy your hunger?

http://www.angelfire.com/ult/caquino/

Some wonderfully expressive and musical trumpet playing...listen for
yourself! The Hummel is especially tasty, as is the Peer Gynt.

Enjoy!

Paul Rincon



On 1/7/07, rob schmidtke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I want more more more. I love FFJ her voice is so .. diffused.   I
remember hearing a trumpet player doing a similar bang  up job on the Hummel
concerto. Dare I ask if there are any equally gifted Horn players out there.
Plaese post links if you have them.
Rob Schmidtke

Klaus Bjerre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- hans  wrote:

 Go  visit the following site to get your surprise:
 www.tenor.dk

 There are a lot folks out  - without any self critic.

This is sad!

Even more so as this guy is born in and lives in the town, where I lived,
when we moved back to
Denmark in 1958. I lived there until I took, what the Germans call Arbitur
in 1966.

My very old father still lives there in the same house. He has organised a
lot of concerts over
the years, but it is too late night right now to phone him and ask him
about this impostor.

This guy must be around my age, but I never heard of him, even if we were
in the same town at the
same time. And even if I was in the best of two bands and in the only
(small) orchestra. The town
of Holbæk was rather small back then, which is no longer the case, as it
has developed into a
housing area for Copenhagen.

In 1990-91 I returned as 4th horn in a really large musical project. That
man certainly was not
asked to sing there.

Holbæk used to be the home of another impostor, which is far more
dangerous, because he is our
minister of culture. Sadly sports belong to that department, and that is
the only part of his
portfolio, which that man has any idea about.

Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre


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Re: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-07 Thread C.J.L. Wolf
Slightly outside the realm of music, but good old McGonagall deserves a 
mention.


http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/poems/pgdisaster.htm

It has to be said, that I get more pleasure out of his poetry than I do 
most serious poets.


His acting was just as good, and every performance sold out.

Kit

On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Steve Haflich wrote:


  From: Chris Tedesco [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  hahahaha This has to be a joke.  He might want to check the text of 
some of these arias...


Whether this alleged tenor is real and/or serious, history records
other massively delusional performers.  The classic and perhaps
best-documented example is Florence Foster Jenkins who you may read
about on the Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Foster_Jenkins

FFJ's recordings used to be featured on classical music comedy shows,
but in mentioning that I've heard such things I'm showing my age.

There is one brief but stunning (in the sense of what they do to
cattle with a bolt gun in a slaughterhouse) excerpt of FFJ accessible
from the Wikipedia article, and there are additional and longer
excerpts available on Amazon.  I have held one of these original vinyl
recordings in my hands.

I have about in my long career twice encountered players who were
similarly disillusioned about their performance abilities.
Fortunately these individuals are rare.  I wish I knew how they were
created so I could get the US executive branch to concentrate their
energy at preventing future occurences, rather than sending innocent
soldiers off to die for oil.
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Re: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-06 Thread David Laraway
Oh my. I listened to the Una Furtiva and M'appari (misspelled on his 
 site) because I had sung them in college myself and was familiar with 
them. I couldn't listen all the way through. Intonation and phrasing 
problems were bad enough but the accompaniment was downright painful to 
listen to. Something I would expect to see on YouTube. Does he seriously 
think he can even come close to any of the greats he wants to challenge?

David Laraway

hans wrote:

Go  visit the following site to get your surprise:
www.tenor.dk

There are a lot folks out  - without any self critic.

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Re: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-06 Thread Klaus Bjerre

--- hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Go  visit the following site to get your surprise:
 www.tenor.dk
 
 There are a lot folks out  - without any self critic.

This is sad!

Even more so as this guy is born in and lives in the town, where I lived, when 
we moved back to
Denmark in 1958. I lived there until I took, what the Germans call Arbitur in 
1966. 

My very old father still lives there in the same house. He has organised a lot 
of concerts over
the years, but it is too late night right now to phone him and ask him about 
this impostor.

This guy must be around my age, but I never heard of him, even if we were in 
the same town at the
same time. And even if I was in the best of two bands and in the only (small) 
orchestra. The town
of Holbæk was rather small back then, which is no longer the case, as it has 
developed into a
housing area for Copenhagen.

In 1990-91 I returned as 4th horn in a really large musical project. That man 
certainly was not
asked to sing there.

Holbæk used to be the home of another impostor, which is far more dangerous, 
because he is our
minister of culture. Sadly sports belong to that department, and that is the 
only part of his
portfolio, which that man has any idea about.

Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre

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Re: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-06 Thread Chris Tedesco
hahahaha This has to be a joke.  He might want to check the text of some of 
these arias...

Chris



- Original Message 
From: Klaus Bjerre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2007 6:10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] tenor


--- hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Go  visit the following site to get your surprise:
 www.tenor.dk
 
 There are a lot folks out  - without any self critic.

This is sad!

Even more so as this guy is born in and lives in the town, where I lived, when 
we moved back to
Denmark in 1958. I lived there until I took, what the Germans call Arbitur in 
1966. 

My very old father still lives there in the same house. He has organised a lot 
of concerts over
the years, but it is too late night right now to phone him and ask him about 
this impostor.

This guy must be around my age, but I never heard of him, even if we were in 
the same town at the
same time. And even if I was in the best of two bands and in the only (small) 
orchestra. The town
of Holbæk was rather small back then, which is no longer the case, as it has 
developed into a
housing area for Copenhagen.

In 1990-91 I returned as 4th horn in a really large musical project. That man 
certainly was not
asked to sing there.

Holbæk used to be the home of another impostor, which is far more dangerous, 
because he is our
minister of culture. Sadly sports belong to that department, and that is the 
only part of his
portfolio, which that man has any idea about.

Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre

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Re: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-06 Thread Steve Haflich
   From: Chris Tedesco [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   hahahaha This has to be a joke.  He might want to check the text of some of 
these arias...

Whether this alleged tenor is real and/or serious, history records
other massively delusional performers.  The classic and perhaps
best-documented example is Florence Foster Jenkins who you may read
about on the Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Foster_Jenkins

FFJ's recordings used to be featured on classical music comedy shows,
but in mentioning that I've heard such things I'm showing my age.

There is one brief but stunning (in the sense of what they do to
cattle with a bolt gun in a slaughterhouse) excerpt of FFJ accessible
from the Wikipedia article, and there are additional and longer
excerpts available on Amazon.  I have held one of these original vinyl
recordings in my hands.

I have about in my long career twice encountered players who were
similarly disillusioned about their performance abilities.
Fortunately these individuals are rare.  I wish I knew how they were
created so I could get the US executive branch to concentrate their
energy at preventing future occurences, rather than sending innocent
soldiers off to die for oil.
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RE: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-06 Thread hans
Yes, he thinks so. There are a lot of such folks. We got a
hornfellow once, who auditioned for us. As it was behind
screen, we advanced him to the next round to have sum fun.
He could not understand why he was eliminated than before
round three, as he did not miss any note, but how he played
 Out of tune  with a tone like a howling wolf   And
clumsy  And ... And ... No idea of Mozart .


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Oh my. I listened to the Una Furtiva and M'appari
(misspelled on his
  site) because I had sung them in college myself and was
familiar with them. I couldn't listen all the way through.
Intonation and phrasing problems were bad enough but the
accompaniment was downright painful to listen to. Something
I would expect to see on YouTube. Does he seriously think he
can even come close to any of the greats he wants to
challenge?
David Laraway

hans wrote:
 Go  visit the following site to get your surprise:
 www.tenor.dk
 
 There are a lot folks out  - without any self critic.
 
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RE: [Hornlist] tenor

2007-01-06 Thread hans
Did you mean abitur ?? Means Abgang in German, Abgang
from School, leaveing school. In Austria it is called
Matura or Maturity, but it is anything else than maturity,
but it is meant as maturity to go to university.

I remember, there was a conductor who auctioned his service
on Ebay few years ago.

 

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--- hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Go  visit the following site to get your surprise:
 www.tenor.dk
 
 There are a lot folks out  - without any self critic.

This is sad!

Even more so as this guy is born in and lives in the town,
where I lived, when we moved back to Denmark in 1958. I
lived there until I took, what the Germans call Arbitur in
1966. 

My very old father still lives there in the same house. He
has organised a lot of concerts over the years, but it is
too late night right now to phone him and ask him about this
impostor.

This guy must be around my age, but I never heard of him,
even if we were in the same town at the same time. And even
if I was in the best of two bands and in the only (small)
orchestra. The town of Holbæk was rather small back then,
which is no longer the case, as it has developed into a
housing area for Copenhagen.

In 1990-91 I returned as 4th horn in a really large musical
project. That man certainly was not asked to sing there.

Holbæk used to be the home of another impostor, which is far
more dangerous, because he is our minister of culture. Sadly
sports belong to that department, and that is the only part
of his portfolio, which that man has any idea about.

Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre

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