Re: [HOT] Instant help - IRC channel
Some remarks: * New users often expect immediate answers, or just ask a question and leave (like you would on a help site, which mails you about answers). It's best to warn them to leave the page open as long as possible (until they got an answer) * After the sencentce Alternatively, use the IRC client of your choice, I'd mention the parameters: server is irc.oftc.net, channel is #hot. * The user-friendlyness of IRC depends a lot on the client. I don't find the osm standard IRC client very pretty, which may scare away people. It might be worth to try some others like https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot (though that should probably be changed at the TM level) Regards, Sander 2014-11-10 15:48 GMT+01:00 Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com: Pierre, I've added a section to LearnOSM concerning the *OSM HOT IRC Channel #hot *link from the home page of the Tasking Manager: http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/tasking-manager/#getting-live-help I was very impressed at how simple it is - I've only started using IRC in the last year, wish I had found this version a lot earlier, because it is so easy. As usual, for anyone reading this message - if there's anything wrong in what has been put into LearnOSM, make sure it gets fixed - email, github, feedback from site - lots of options (Please don't use the 'do nothing then complain' button). Regards -- Nick Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy Treasurer, website Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Instant help - IRC channel
Sander Thanks to documenting this. We will have have to synchronize ourselves and use the same link. It has been suggested to use this link that I find more intuitive for newcomers : https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot I have added this link in some TM jobs since this Kiwiirc instance is easier. It is now added also otn the Task Manager front page. I suggest that both the Task Manager front page and the LearnOSM refer to this instance. Pierre De : Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com À : Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com Cc : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr; HOT@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 10 novembre 2014 10h16 Objet : Re: [HOT] Instant help - IRC channel Some remarks: * New users often expect immediate answers, or just ask a question and leave (like you would on a help site, which mails you about answers). It's best to warn them to leave the page open as long as possible (until they got an answer) * After the sencentce Alternatively, use the IRC client of your choice, I'd mention the parameters: server is irc.oftc.net, channel is #hot. * The user-friendlyness of IRC depends a lot on the client. I don't find the osm standard IRC client very pretty, which may scare away people. It might be worth to try some others like https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot (though that should probably be changed at the TM level) Regards, Sander 2014-11-10 15:48 GMT+01:00 Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com: Pierre, I've added a section to LearnOSM concerning the OSM HOT IRC Channel #hot link from the home page of the Tasking Manager: http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/tasking-manager/#getting-live-help I was very impressed at how simple it is - I've only started using IRC in the last year, wish I had found this version a lot earlier, because it is so easy. As usual, for anyone reading this message - if there's anything wrong in what has been put into LearnOSM, make sure it gets fixed - email, github, feedback from site - lots of options (Please don't use the 'do nothing then complain' button). Regards -- Nick Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy Treasurer, website Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Instant help - IRC channel
Thanks for that, I'll update learnOSM NickOn 10/11/14 15:54, Pierre Béland wrote: Sander Thanks to documenting this. We will have have to synchronize ourselves and use the same link. It has been suggested to use this link that I find more intuitive for newcomers : https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot I have added this link in some TM jobs since this Kiwiirc instance is easier. It is now added also otn the Task Manager front page. I suggest that both the Task Manager front page and the LearnOSM refer to this instance. Pierre *De :* Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com *À :* Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com *Cc :* Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr; HOT@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Lundi 10 novembre 2014 10h16 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Instant help - IRC channel Some remarks: * New users often expect immediate answers, or just ask a question and leave (like you would on a help site, which mails you about answers). It's best to warn them to leave the page open as long as possible (until they got an answer) * After the sencentce Alternatively, use the IRC client of your choice, I'd mention the parameters: server is irc.oftc.net http://irc.oftc.net/, channel is #hot. * The user-friendlyness of IRC depends a lot on the client. I don't find the osm standard IRC client very pretty, which may scare away people. It might be worth to try some others like https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot (though that should probably be changed at the TM level) Regards, Sander 2014-11-10 15:48 GMT+01:00 Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com: Pierre, I've added a section to LearnOSM concerning the *OSM HOT IRC Channel #hot *link from the home page of the Tasking Manager: http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/tasking-manager/#getting-live-help I was very impressed at how simple it is - I've only started using IRC in the last year, wish I had found this version a lot earlier, because it is so easy. As usual, for anyone reading this message - if there's anything wrong in what has been put into LearnOSM, make sure it gets fixed - email, github, feedback from site - lots of options (Please don't use the 'do nothing then complain' button). Regards -- Nick Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy Treasurer, website Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk mailto:treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Nick Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy Treasurer, website Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk mailto:treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Communications Working Group Week of Nov 10th
BEGIN:VCALENDAR VERSION:2.0 PRODID:-//Doodle AG//Doodle//EN CALSCALE:GREGORIAN METHOD:PUBLISH BEGIN:VEVENT ORGANIZER:MAILTO:mai...@doodle.com SUMMARY:Communications Working Group Week of Nov 10th [Doodle] X-MICROSOFT-CDO-BUSYSTATUS:BUSY URL:http://doodle.com/rt9gef7gk7zymdyr LOCATION:IRC DESCRIPTION:Initiated by Kristen Egermeier\nRe-scheduling the meeting\n\n\nParticipants:\n- Russell Deffner\n- John Whelan\n- Laura\n- Charlotte Wolter\n- Kate Chapman\n\n\nhttp://doodle.com/rt9gef7gk7zymdyr DTSTAMP:20141110T184820Z UID:141599520193521...@doodle.biz DTSTART:20141114T20Z DTEND:20141114T21Z END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] Status of Field Papers
Atlas creation on Field Papers is back up again! Sorry everyone for the extended downtime! We are still having some issues where there are occasional black tiles showing up on the maps. We're working on this problem, and if you come across any black map tiles, please send me an email at a...@stamen.com or file an issue on github here: https://github.com/stamen/fieldpapers/issues https://github.com/stamen/fieldpapers/issues In the meantime, if you get any atlases with black tiles, try regenerating the atlas. Usually this takes care of the problem. Alan McConchie Design Technologist Stamen Design 1 (415) 558-1610___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Fwd: mapping standards
Hello Pierre, hello John! Thanks a lot for your quick and detailed replys! I did't expect a simple answer anyway ;-) Your hint, John, that HOT-mapping is more standardised makes the guidelines (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa) more than only a rough orientation for us. And I agree with you, the most important tasks to work on is the traffic network and that's what we actually concentrating on. We're just trying to figure out how to do it as right as possible. I found conventions that seem to underline the HOT-approach: In some situations it is however appropriate to base the tag value on the physical attributes of a highway: - The official classification for the road is not known or easy to establish. - The administrative classification for a road does not match the physical attributes for some historical reason. (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_tag_usage) So, is there a general favour for tagging based on physical attributes instead of administrative levels? Would a wide frequently used and well biult county-level road get a secondary-tag although it belongs to the 3rd administrative level? In fact, our work has been initiated by a group of Cameroonians running a small non-profit association for setting up connections and provide support in terms of research and education. They are helping us translating our questions and transfering them to local people they know. So we asked about official criteria the government uses for classifying their roads and for establishing a network hierarchy. We've been told that the guys have already approached the administration and are waiting for an answer. What ever this answer might be, we hope that some of the criteria we'll get back can be applied in our work based on satellite images. But we're still waiting ... John, you've mentioned a list of tasks. Where can we find this list? Does this list indicate, what features or regions are under contruction? We found a reasonable amount of undefined objects (mostly roads) in our area which are not visible in OSM or the iD-Editor. Is there someone working on these objects? What shall we do at locations where we know that these exist? I'm afraid of finally ending up either with an inhomogeneous, incomplete mapping result or with objects being mapped twice after the undefined showed up again. So far for now! Thanks again for your support! kamak Am 2014-11-09 19:49, schrieb john: I'm currently mapping #684 - Polio outbreak and Ebola preparedness, Meiganga, Cameroon and I must confess I have questions about the project. I can understand French especially a European or African accent so the video was useful to some extent. To me HOT is different to normal OSM. In normal OSM people basically do their own thing. Sometimes they use standard tags but there is a wide range and style of tagging. HOT prepares maps for a particular target audience so to my mind takes a more standarised approach. What I haven't seen is a list of requirements. There is a list of tasks but that isn't the same as a list of requirements. For Meiganga there are thousands of buildings to be mapped. I understand the idea that ideally each building outline shape should be carefully mapped but realistically with the JOSM building tool I can approximate the building size in two or three seconds. To carefully trace the outline takes me twenty seconds or so. If I look at some tasks I see someone has mapped three buildings then given up. They are beautifully mapped but when there are another 98+ buildings to map in the task and another 180 odd tasks to do? Yes we are using volunteers so their time doesn't cost us anything but mapping buildings is tedious and how fast do we want the information to be made available and how accurate do we need it? What exactly is the requirement? I think for this you need to go back to the AID agencies and the Cameroon government cartographers and get them to make a list and set priorities. Can we tackle the tasks differently? The road network and water really need to be done first. It's better to have as few a number of segments in a read as possible. That way when you tag the name you only need do it once. Water, in a task its difficult to see if its a river, ditch or a clump of trees sometimes. From further out you stand a better chance. Also if we break the tasks down then the grunts, sorry less skilled volunteers, can tick off the task as done when they've mapped all the houses and paths. If they are daunted by the idea that they have to map all the residential and non-residential buildings and forests before marking the task done they maybe reluctant to tick the box and we end up with lots of tasks mapped but not ticked as done. Then we get to the quality of the map. It sounds dumb but different satellites have different accuracy. DigitalGlobe’s WorldView-2 is one of the better ones. There was
