Re: [HOT] data alignment to satellite imagery
Excuse the dodgy typing from my phone. This may help http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#highways---how-to-map Nick Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy Treasurer, website Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk) On 4 May 2015 06:07, graham gra...@klunky.co.uk wrote: Hi, I am new the HOT OSM as well, and am also finding line work not aligned to imagery. An example might be a line that has been delineated generally following the road but plotted either side of the pixels representing the road. In such a case, I would initially presume that the scale at which the user delineated the road was too small. This begs the question, is there a standard scale at which we need to interpret the imagery? Is there official documentation or a blog on guidelines on this subject? Graham On 04/05/15 07:26, Kretzer wrote: Hi Joshua, if you do the fix alignment, you actually move the image, not the data. As far as I know usually Bing is used as the reference imagery, so I would not adjust that. If the other shapes are not aligned, the other people have probably used different imagery and not adjusted that. Probably there are only some shapes in the wrong place, not all? Then you can adjust those manually or ignore them and ad your features with the default alignment. Experts jump in please, if I am wrong here. Gesendet: Sonntag, 03. Mai 2015 um 23:45 Uhr Von: Joshua Kennedy shu...@clovermail.net shu...@clovermail.net An: hot@openstreetmap.org Betreff: [HOT] data alignment to satellite imagery Hi I'm new to HOT and I'm using the iD editor. I'm looking at an area that has shapes which do not align with the Bing imagery. Should I use the fix alignment tool before I add additional data or just add the features as they appear with the current alignment? Thanks Joshua ___ HOT mailing listHOT@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to identify the recent mappers?
I'm new to overpass but there s a nice python wrapper which will make user counts and geometry calculations easier. I can look at this tonight and will report back. Jon 58683-23001#47 On 4 May 2015, at 02:45, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Is there a overpass skilled person to write the script that can identify mappers with limited experience (recent mapper ID or number of contributions less than let us say 5,000) over Nepal, so that we can check their contributions and give advice about how to improve them. Another hero would be the person able to include a detection of non squared buildings within the Validator steps. Sincerely, Severin ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] data alignment to satellite imagery
Hi, for me the gold standard for image alignment in OSM are gpx traces with high quality. If no traces are available - which likely applies to most of Nepal - Bing is the standard to use. In either case adjust any other imagery to match the alignment of the standard. But now the limitation: Some of the imagery currently in use with HOT shows some difference compared to Bing. But this is not a simple shift. To my limited understanding this comes from the correction applied to the image. Especially in mountains this is difficult - which likely is especially true for the Himalayas. But keep the distances in mind: With high resolution images a shift of let's say 10 m is pretty visible - but should not really matter too much in real live. In any case: Try to align any of your work with Bing. Leave any misaligned data for now. Michael (user Ohr) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] data alignment to satellite imagery
Hello Michael, et al., I have just joined moments ago, background in GIS, GPS mapping, helicopter pilot. I note your comments about misaligned GPS data. Just wondering about the map projections and datum in use in the disaster area. Most recreational GPS receivers are set to WGS 84 which may not line up very well with what is probably a very localized datum for Nepal. I understand from media reports that the earthquake actually caused terrain shifts of up to 3 m which might account for some of the discrepancies seen. I may not be on the right track here but will help further if possible. Thanks, Cheers . . . . . . . . Springfield Harrison, Canada At 03-05-2015 23:56 Sunday, Michael Krämer wrote: Hi, for me the gold standard for image alignment in OSM are gpx traces with high quality. If no traces are available - which likely applies to most of Nepal - Bing is the standard to use. In either case adjust any other imagery to match the alignment of the standard. But now the limitation: Some of the imagery currently in use with HOT shows some difference compared to Bing. But this is not a simple shift. To my limited understanding this comes from the correction applied to the image. Especially in mountains this is difficult - which likely is especially true for the Himalayas. But keep the distances in mind: With high resolution images a shift of let's say 10 m is pretty visible - but should not really matter too much in real live. In any case: Try to align any of your work with Bing. Leave any misaligned data for now. Michael (user Ohr) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
Hello Kratzer, Just signed on moments ago, background in GIS, GPS mapping, helicopter pilot. Just curious if there is any metadata attached to the GPS field information as to the map projection and datum in use? Is there any documentation for GPS field workers to refer to? Or is this information just manually placed on the map by eye? Bad data could be worse than none at all. Perhaps I could help with documentation for GPS fieldworkers if there is none in place. Lots of challenges I'm sure, Cheers . . . . . . . . Spring Harrison, Canada At 04-05-2015 00:03 Monday, Kretzer wrote: Maybe at some point a wrong coordinate system was used for conversion? Like from the .shp to .kll. (that's usually the reason why my GIS imports end up in the wrong place ...) It would be great if these important data could be of use in the end. Gesendet mit der GMX iPhone App Am 04.05.15 um 07:51 schrieb Heather Leson Hello, my contacts advised that they are following up. A quick note that this is a WHO dataset, not OCHA. If any files or notes could reflect that great. If there is any update I will let you know. It might take some time due to timezones and approvals by different UN groups. Thank you again for your work and advocacy. Heather On May 4, 2015 8:15 AM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. Inquiry sent. HeatherOn May 4, 2015 8:02 AM, Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokha...@gmail.com wrote: Heather,2. The dataset was the following https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod 1. Megha went through and manually matched up health facilities in the Kathmandu Valley, because KLL has formerly surveyed and created a rigorousdataset in the valley. A majority of the conflicts in the valley weredeleted. Since the second dataset doesn't have names, match up was done bylocation. Please follow up with Megha on the rest. If we get a compatible license, the other route we could go through(instead of re-instanting the changeset) is to do a more rigorous import,after checking that the health facility locations seem legitimate (not inforests, near residences, etc.) and not in conflict with existingfacilities with HOT's help. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pierre is sleeping. I would normally ask him and activation. I willask a contact via UN OCHA (offlist) and report back to activation What I need is:1. Confirmation that the changeset link includes the full dataset (thelink below )2. Exact source link for the dataset. I will ask for a license update. Does this sound ok? Heather The file isOn May 4, 2015 7:48 AM, Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokha...@gmail.com wrote:A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. HOT, we must have contacts at UN OCHA, can we start a conversation toask if they are willing to do it? At the moment, we don't have thebandwidth here at KLL these days to have this conversation. But as I seeit, adding POIs and named places onto the map is pretty important to focuson, in parallel with all of the imagery-based work that we are doing. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Prabhas: I wonder if this data can be incorporated to a local or alternativedatabase that can be of use in this situation. About the field papers, I don't see any problem to use this data as aguide of finding those health facilities and correctly geolocate themwhile surveying on the ground. Using the GNS and other place nodes already in the database, it mightbe possible to add some of this nodes to OSM. It might. But in any case, the license is a restriction. A very sad one, but nothing to doabout it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSMwithout that non-commercial restriction. Cheers, Rafael. On 04/05/15 00:26, Prabhas Pokharel wrote: Thank you all; two main issues here: one that the dataset geolocations are problematic, and two that the license was incompatible. Apologies for incorrectly interpreting the license here in Nepal. As megha said, the reason we attempted this was because the maps that HOTOSM volunteers have helped create via tracing for us is amazingly detailed (in terms of residential areas, roads, pre-quake buildings), but hard to use because of the lack of POIs on the ground. This was an attempt to alleviate
Re: [HOT] Imagery alignment
This is in reply to a previous question today (sorry I have not worked out how to reply to specific post). Archival imagery (such as Bing) has usually been processed and georeferenced/orthorectified (although to variable degrees depending on the source) prior to publishing. The post earthquake imagery provided by DG will have had minimal such processing undertaken on it as this takes time and effort and obviously DG want to just get the imagery out there for people to use ASAP. Alignment of this imagery to existing map layers will not be a straightforward shift in one direction due to the effect of elevation/terrain and satellite capture angle. My advice for this type of imagery would be to continually adjust the imagery to available/reliable map information as necessary - in one area of the image you may only need to adjust by say 10m to get a decent alignment - other areas may require a 100m shift. For the archival (e.g. Bing) imagery there can still be some alignment issues - this imagery will may have had systematic corrections but no manual input using ground control points (which is required for really accurate orthorectification). ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
I just joined this weekend but I have a little bit of experience mapping data in this region of the world. GIS data I've received in Bangladesh needed to be projected/transformed from BTM (Bangladesh Transverse Mercator) to WGS 84. BTM is based on the Everest 1830 geographic coordinate system. Perhaps this is the same coordinate system being used locally in Nepal. -Bernadette On 4 May 2015 at 13:03, Kretzer kret...@gmx.net wrote: Maybe at some point a wrong coordinate system was used for conversion? Like from the .shp to .kll. (that's usually the reason why my GIS imports end up in the wrong place ...) It would be great if these important data could be of use in the end. Gesendet mit der GMX iPhone App Am 04.05.15 um 07:51 schrieb Heather Leson Hello, my contacts advised that they are following up. A quick note that this is a WHO dataset, not OCHA. If any files or notes could reflect that great. If there is any update I will let you know. It might take some time due to timezones and approvals by different UN groups. Thank you again for your work and advocacy. Heather On May 4, 2015 8:15 AM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. Inquiry sent. Heather On May 4, 2015 8:02 AM, Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokha...@gmail.com wrote: Heather, 2. The dataset was the following https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod 1. Megha went through and manually matched up health facilities in the Kathmandu Valley, because KLL has formerly surveyed and created a rigorous dataset in the valley. A majority of the conflicts in the valley were deleted. Since the second dataset doesn't have names, match up was done by location. Please follow up with Megha on the rest. If we get a compatible license, the other route we could go through (instead of re-instanting the changeset) is to do a more rigorous import, after checking that the health facility locations seem legitimate (not in forests, near residences, etc.) and not in conflict with existing facilities with HOT's help. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pierre is sleeping. I would normally ask him and activation. I will ask a contact via UN OCHA (offlist) and report back to activation What I need is: 1. Confirmation that the changeset link includes the full dataset (the link below ) 2. Exact source link for the dataset. I will ask for a license update. Does this sound ok? Heather The file is On May 4, 2015 7:48 AM, Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokha...@gmail.com wrote: A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. HOT, we must have contacts at UN OCHA, can we start a conversation to ask if they are willing to do it? At the moment, we don't have the bandwidth here at KLL these days to have this conversation. But as I see it, adding POIs and named places onto the map is pretty important to focus on, in parallel with all of the imagery-based work that we are doing. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Prabhas: I wonder if this data can be incorporated to a local or alternative database that can be of use in this situation. About the field papers, I don't see any problem to use this data as a guide of finding those health facilities and correctly geolocate them while surveying on the ground. Using the GNS and other place nodes already in the database, it might be possible to add some of this nodes to OSM. It might. But in any case, the license is a restriction. A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. Cheers, Rafael. On 04/05/15 00:26, Prabhas Pokharel wrote: Thank you all; two main issues here: one that the dataset geolocations are problematic, and two that the license was incompatible. Apologies for incorrectly interpreting the license here in Nepal. As megha said, the reason we attempted this was because the maps that HOTOSM volunteers have helped create via tracing for us is amazingly detailed (in terms of residential areas, roads, pre-quake buildings), but hard to use because of the lack of POIs on the ground. This was an attempt to alleviate the problem, but sounds like we did misinterpret the license
[HOT] log-in information Digtial Globe/WV3 imagery 2015-05-3
Good morning, I have problems to load Digtial Globe/WV3 imagery 2015-05-3
http://127.0.0.1:8111/imagery?title=DigitalGlobe_20150503type=wmsurl=wms:https://services.digitalglobe.com/mapservice/wmsaccess?SERVICE=WMSconnectid=71ae32ec-f6df-4ed7-b707-2aa016610679FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=DigitalGlobe:ImagerySTYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}
in
JOSM.7
When I am loading the mentioned imagery in JOSM, it appears the windows of
confirmation in order to get the satellite images but my OSM user and
password don't wrong. I don't understand what is the problem because my
credentials are not worng.
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Re: [HOT] data alignment to satellite imagery
Thanks very much Nick for the resource. This has also answered some additional questions that I had on vectorisation standards. I must has missed this page when I following the tutorials. Graham On 04/05/15 14:26, Nick Allen wrote: Excuse the dodgy typing from my phone. This may help http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#highways---how-to-map Nick Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy Treasurer, website Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk mailto:treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk) On 4 May 2015 06:07, graham gra...@klunky.co.uk mailto:gra...@klunky.co.uk wrote: Hi, I am new the HOT OSM as well, and am also finding line work not aligned to imagery. An example might be a line that has been delineated generally following the road but plotted either side of the pixels representing the road. In such a case, I would initially presume that the scale at which the user delineated the road was too small. This begs the question, is there a standard scale at which we need to interpret the imagery? Is there official documentation or a blog on guidelines on this subject? Graham On 04/05/15 07:26, Kretzer wrote: Hi Joshua, if you do the fix alignment, you actually move the image, not the data. As far as I know usually Bing is used as the reference imagery, so I would not adjust that. If the other shapes are not aligned, the other people have probably used different imagery and not adjusted that. Probably there are only some shapes in the wrong place, not all? Then you can adjust those manually or ignore them and ad your features with the default alignment. Experts jump in please, if I am wrong here. Gesendet: Sonntag, 03. Mai 2015 um 23:45 Uhr Von: Joshua Kennedyshu...@clovermail.net mailto:shu...@clovermail.net An:hot@openstreetmap.org mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org Betreff: [HOT] data alignment to satellite imagery Hi I'm new to HOT and I'm using the iD editor. I'm looking at an area that has shapes which do not align with the Bing imagery. Should I use the fix alignment tool before I add additional data or just add the features as they appear with the current alignment? Thanks Joshua ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Imagery alignment
Thanks Helen, very challenging. Are the underlying maps accurately georeferenced? If so, georeferencing the new imagery should not be too difficult but not likely possible online. Non of these shifts would be linear, especially in areas of such high relief. Are mappers just dragging the imagery around to fit by eye? Are there no GIS shops that could help with this? Not sure if I can help further . . . Cheers . . . . . Spring Harrison Samsung Tab 4 On May 4, 2015 12:38 AM, Helen Tait helen...@gmail.com wrote: This is in reply to a previous question today (sorry I have not worked out how to reply to specific post). Archival imagery (such as Bing) has usually been processed and georeferenced/orthorectified (although to variable degrees depending on the source) prior to publishing. The post earthquake imagery provided by DG will have had minimal such processing undertaken on it as this takes time and effort and obviously DG want to just get the imagery out there for people to use ASAP. Alignment of this imagery to existing map layers will not be a straightforward shift in one direction due to the effect of elevation/terrain and satellite capture angle. My advice for this type of imagery would be to continually adjust the imagery to available/reliable map information as necessary - in one area of the image you may only need to adjust by say 10m to get a decent alignment - other areas may require a 100m shift. For the archival (e.g. Bing) imagery there can still be some alignment issues - this imagery will may have had systematic corrections but no manual input using ground control points (which is required for really accurate orthorectification). ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Imagery alignment
I finally found a place where both the Digital Globe imagery for the Borang
are that is hosted on HIU:
tms:
http://hiu-maps.net/hot/1.0.0/borang-10feb2015-flipped/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png
and Bing imagery are both available, and there is a significant difference
in alignment, which you can see if you open this location:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/28.17980/84.99950
There are several mappers using this. Don't know about them, but I would
prefer not to revert the work done from the Digital Globe imagery, because
it's most of the buildings in the Borang area, but rather shift the entire
changesets that were made using it. I recognize that there may be local
differences in alignment, but this applies to areas with no Bing imagery at
all. If we can get an average shift based on the areas where there is
overlap, that should get us a lot closer.
What is the usual procedure in such a case? If it is revert it and start
over, can we come up with something less drastic?
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Please also see the email thread from Helen Tait with subject Imagery alignment, sent at about the same moment as Joshua's message. -- Pat ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Wrong imagery of task #1030
The imagery to be used in task #1030, according to the instructions,
ishttp://127.0.0.1:8111/imagery?title=DigitalGlobe_20150503type=wmsurl=wms:https://services.digitalglobe.com/mapservice/wmsaccess?SERVICE=WMSconnectid=71ae32ec-f6df-4ed7-b707-2aa016610679FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=DigitalGlobe:ImagerySTYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox},
which is a remote control for JOSM. But once JOSM receives the WMS link it
asks for a username / password for services.digitalglobe.com. Logging in with
your OSM / HOT account does not work. You cannot even cancel the dialogbox
other than killing JOSM.
Can someone correct this link with something that works. For task #1030 is
absolutely necessary to have post-earthquake imagery. I tried some of the
imagery of other tasks, but did not find any that have coverage for the tiles
in #1030.
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[HOT] Bad image quality
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hey guys, I'm kinda new here and I'm mostly marking houses and roads for now. I am editing with the iD editor. I tried to do the task #2058 but the image quality is realy poor. I've seen somebody put some houses (which is impossible with this image quality), how did he find this out? Is there an option to have a better image quality image? Thanks for the answers. Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJVRzVGAAoJEMD5khowGix7LfQP/3EJzmNI2RZ8d963JGFFlbeh y8hs362nXvNghvAtXNwVmCMHOgUE/JosbEFneTznhZHQDyb80xWhwXUsB8lcveAf MBeVmRWKbzgmRTH57UiQQQoQnSjpwDB4YQjfU5YqrH+UVSqHk19EvanD0Jyl1UcJ jSjPl/2ygbW9yEUtCM1WY+TsRBbMcnbNu2Dqtby5e8VfKqXSUl84wJTDT2LpIlEG bg4qxHNLp+dM5QDlwbqcp9mKVn2gjxRY1kvq/U/p+3i55KPzVjG3LID7t5hnJx5w a0l4r+GjQqphP1XmMNMMyh1ShmyTHFEVXLnKuRWx4gmykhJCrRN/QGwbGiaLuWRg p2SN+iHFvH009vHwO+pvzobicMkdkl6aOGWRw8wgugoObRMs1bs4FLm7nTZCJQHv AQuh3JhZldb10PRYuZy50gbkLgvjcpfy8GjI+coBfhYPJGIR4PpFdXXwUqHJf9SH EpnSYMepFBJs7pti++Ez3WAJ/ZWLu7q0IE61Tx2NDl/pj1rcDKH8WJOhVwA7shov uPPqaL5iYmtDkwwIlstLsjL8DhTGTT5ac9Dcdw+Gl1VgRAmYb2KXSxcS75ksNeqd AlarL0HJzlP1cK3nqBKmPHyw/B+1Xpm2yvPS5/3A8Q27HEouc/7Als/y377m16QV 0BciYKYTxcyQ84rNv/ji =OUdN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] What's water?
I'm seeing some rivers mapped in areas that didn't have high-res imagery,
that (in the DG imagery) cross over dry land, or through areas were tree
tops are visible against a dark background that could be either water or
shadow -- it's a dark gray-purple. What I'm interpreting as the actual
river channel is more turquoise and has (what look like) white rapids. The
imagery has no clouds, and land looks fairly dry, so this imagery may,
perhaps, be dry season.
Note the previously mapped rivers in this area are very rough -- points
are far apart -- which implies they were mapped from low-res imagery.
Some questions:
Is there a large change in water volume in rivers during the dry season?
I'm wondering if water recedes to the deepest channel, and does show more
whitewater then.
Yes, changes in water volumes between wet and dry season can be immense in
Nepal. Some stream beds may also go dry in the dry season.
I would guess that some mountain streams may behave as you suggested, but
generally, my expectation would be for more whitewater in the wet season.
Disclaimer: Hydrology is not my field, so this is an amateur
description... Whether there's whitewater may depend on the shape of the
riverbed and the depth. If the river is shallow, then whitewater can be
caused by flowing over boulders or other irregularites -- if it's deep,
those boulders might be covered, so the surface would be more smooth. If
the river has a U-shaped channel, i.e. it's constrained in a narrow channel
even as there is more water flowing, then there might be whitewater near
the edges or around bends. If the channel is narrow at the deepest part,
and curves out, so that it floods out onto a much wider area as volume
increases, then the flow may slow down.
Do trees grow in standing water (deep enough to appear dark) in Nepal?
That's not unheard of -- it's true in the Everglades in Florida. Or is an
area with treetops and dark between more likely dry but shadowed?
Generally, most of the water in Nepal flows fast (we have lots of
elevation changes), and there are very rarely trees growing in
standing/moving water as in Florida.
Ok, thanks!
I don't understand your second question.
Is that this question? Or is an area with treetops and dark between more
likely dry but shadowed? I see rivers mapped through areas with trees and
dark grayish-purple between. (This is in an area where there is no Bing
imagery, so the river may have been just roughly mapped from low-res
imagery.) In other areas that are clearly dry, that dark grayish-purple
seems to be shadow under the trees. The imagery has long shadows, so the
sun is at a low angle, so wouldn't shine straight down between the trees.
Let me find a good example, in case you'd like to take a look...
The imagery is:
tms:
http://hiu-maps.net/hot/1.0.0/borang-10feb2015-flipped/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png
Right here:
28.149462, 85.0427058
is a river showing the turquoise and white color, then the trees and dark
grayish-purple beside it. It's possible that whole area is flooded, but
there are a lot of dry streambeds elsewhere, which seems wrong for
monsoon. So I'm wondering if some of that dark area is just shadow. It
could be that some is water and some land -- that the shadow leads to both
having the same lack of color. In areas with more widely separated trees,
one can see that the sun is low and in the south-south-east.
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Re: [HOT] What's water?
Hi, Suzan! I mapped dry streams. Can someone experienced check my work yesterday? I also saw waterways in areas where no water could run, as in forests or over land without any waterway. I also questioned some paths could be wsterways. Good to check Newbie work! It could also be that they were using different imagery that is misaligned. There are two email threads about alignment right now... The imagery I'm using is definitely not correctly aligned :-( though that's not the concern here, which is more about how to interpret what I'm seeing. Your question about distinguishing a path from a streambed is similar, and I've been wondering about that too. Maybe we should find and post some examples. -- Pat ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Wrong imagery of task #1030
Use DigitalGLobe username / password for this crisis:
login: nepal
password: forcrisis
Jean-Guilhem
Le 04/05/2015 10:54, Richard Brinkman a écrit :
The imagery to be used in task #1030, according to the instructions, is
http://127.0.0.1:8111/imagery?title=DigitalGlobe_20150503type=wmsurl=wms:https://services.digitalglobe.com/mapservice/wmsaccess?SERVICE=WMSconnectid=71ae32ec-f6df-4ed7-b707-2aa016610679FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=DigitalGlobe:ImagerySTYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}
http://127.0.0.1:8111/imagery?title=DigitalGlobe_20150503type=wmsurl=wms:https://services.digitalglobe.com/mapservice/wmsaccess?SERVICE=WMSconnectid=71ae32ec-f6df-4ed7-b707-2aa016610679FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=DigitalGlobe:ImagerySTYLES=SRS=%7Bproj%7DWIDTH=%7Bwidth%7DHEIGHT=%7Bheight%7DBBOX=%7Bbbox%7D,
which is a remote control for JOSM. But once JOSM receives the WMS
link it asks for a username / password for services.digitalglobe.com.
Logging in with your OSM / HOT account does not work. You cannot even
cancel the dialogbox other than killing JOSM.
Can someone correct this link with something that works. For task
#1030 is absolutely necessary to have post-earthquake imagery. I tried
some of the imagery of other tasks, but did not find any that have
coverage for the tiles in #1030.
Richard
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Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
If someone would like to explore the healthcare facilities data, you can use this interactive visualization: https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/planemad.353be7fb/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoicGxhbmVtYWQiLCJhIjoiemdYSVVLRSJ9.g3lbg_eN0kztmsfIPxa9MQ#8/27.703/84.279 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Bernadette Williams bernadette.willi...@gmail.com wrote: I just joined this weekend but I have a little bit of experience mapping data in this region of the world. GIS data I've received in Bangladesh needed to be projected/transformed from BTM (Bangladesh Transverse Mercator) to WGS 84. BTM is based on the Everest 1830 geographic coordinate system. Perhaps this is the same coordinate system being used locally in Nepal. -Bernadette On 4 May 2015 at 13:03, Kretzer kret...@gmx.net wrote: Maybe at some point a wrong coordinate system was used for conversion? Like from the .shp to .kll. (that's usually the reason why my GIS imports end up in the wrong place ...) It would be great if these important data could be of use in the end. Gesendet mit der GMX iPhone App Am 04.05.15 um 07:51 schrieb Heather Leson Hello, my contacts advised that they are following up. A quick note that this is a WHO dataset, not OCHA. If any files or notes could reflect that great. If there is any update I will let you know. It might take some time due to timezones and approvals by different UN groups. Thank you again for your work and advocacy. Heather On May 4, 2015 8:15 AM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. Inquiry sent. Heather On May 4, 2015 8:02 AM, Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokha...@gmail.com wrote: Heather, 2. The dataset was the following https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod 1. Megha went through and manually matched up health facilities in the Kathmandu Valley, because KLL has formerly surveyed and created a rigorous dataset in the valley. A majority of the conflicts in the valley were deleted. Since the second dataset doesn't have names, match up was done by location. Please follow up with Megha on the rest. If we get a compatible license, the other route we could go through (instead of re-instanting the changeset) is to do a more rigorous import, after checking that the health facility locations seem legitimate (not in forests, near residences, etc.) and not in conflict with existing facilities with HOT's help. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pierre is sleeping. I would normally ask him and activation. I will ask a contact via UN OCHA (offlist) and report back to activation What I need is: 1. Confirmation that the changeset link includes the full dataset (the link below ) 2. Exact source link for the dataset. I will ask for a license update. Does this sound ok? Heather The file is On May 4, 2015 7:48 AM, Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokha...@gmail.com wrote: A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. HOT, we must have contacts at UN OCHA, can we start a conversation to ask if they are willing to do it? At the moment, we don't have the bandwidth here at KLL these days to have this conversation. But as I see it, adding POIs and named places onto the map is pretty important to focus on, in parallel with all of the imagery-based work that we are doing. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Prabhas: I wonder if this data can be incorporated to a local or alternative database that can be of use in this situation. About the field papers, I don't see any problem to use this data as a guide of finding those health facilities and correctly geolocate them while surveying on the ground. Using the GNS and other place nodes already in the database, it might be possible to add some of this nodes to OSM. It might. But in any case, the license is a restriction. A very sad one, but nothing to do about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM without that non-commercial restriction. Cheers, Rafael. On 04/05/15 00:26, Prabhas Pokharel wrote: Thank you all; two main issues here: one that the dataset geolocations are problematic, and two that the license was incompatible. Apologies for incorrectly interpreting the license here in Nepal. As megha said, the reason
Re: [HOT] New task #1033 for Langtang (was: Wrong imagery of task #1030)
Hi,
Apparently, some versions of JOSM, probably recent, can ask for
login/password for WMS. Older ones, like mine on Debian, cannot access
this WMS like this.
For those who have the same problem, there is an image of Langtang,
taken yesterday by DigitalGlobe GeoEye 1, hosted by Google Crisis
Response, and a new task for it, #1033, similar to #1030 but for a
different (small) area:
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1033
Best wishes,
Jean-Guilhem
Le 04/05/2015 11:26, Jean-Guilhem Cailton a écrit :
Use DigitalGLobe username / password for this crisis:
login: nepal
password: forcrisis
Jean-Guilhem
Le 04/05/2015 10:54, Richard Brinkman a écrit :
The imagery to be used in task #1030, according to the instructions, is
http://127.0.0.1:8111/imagery?title=DigitalGlobe_20150503type=wmsurl=wms:https://services.digitalglobe.com/mapservice/wmsaccess?SERVICE=WMSconnectid=71ae32ec-f6df-4ed7-b707-2aa016610679FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=DigitalGlobe:ImagerySTYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}
http://127.0.0.1:8111/imagery?title=DigitalGlobe_20150503type=wmsurl=wms:https://services.digitalglobe.com/mapservice/wmsaccess?SERVICE=WMSconnectid=71ae32ec-f6df-4ed7-b707-2aa016610679FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=DigitalGlobe:ImagerySTYLES=SRS=%7Bproj%7DWIDTH=%7Bwidth%7DHEIGHT=%7Bheight%7DBBOX=%7Bbbox%7D,
which is a remote control for JOSM. But once JOSM receives the WMS
link it asks for a username / password for services.digitalglobe.com.
Logging in with your OSM / HOT account does not work. You cannot even
cancel the dialogbox other than killing JOSM.
Can someone correct this link with something that works. For task
#1030 is absolutely necessary to have post-earthquake imagery. I
tried some of the imagery of other tasks, but did not find any that
have coverage for the tiles in #1030.
Richard
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Re: [HOT] Tracing tagged buildings
Hi HOT, with this message I’m not particularly answering the previous one rather than intending to jump on that topic due to some misunderstandings I got notified by concerned users via private message (which I’ll post here), on which a little clarification is needed. If the following issues are clarified elsewhere, I’d like to thank you for that notice in advance and excuse any double posting. Some OSM mapper wrote to me: Hi I'd like to let you know that the Task #658 (http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1018#task/658) is a complete mess thanks to you and a few other users. Why don't you read the instructions before starting to work on the map? You've entered thousand of buildings as nodes, when instruction states that buildings has to be entered as polygons and now someone is going to waste precious time in order to correct your errors. I hope this was your only mistake. I'm not going to waste any more time by writing to you; please, read carefully the instructions BEFORE any edit. Have a nice one Regards I’d like to post my reasons to this list so that it can be validated by all and further misunderstandings can hopefully be avoided Hello […], Thank you for your friendly notice and for honoring OSM volunteer work. You're definitely right proposing to trace buildings as areas. Hence, I am fully aware that I created information what you might consider a lack of quality. However, the reasons for registering buildings like I did are these: I was working on an HOT task (in case you don't know, please see [1]). Buildings are not part of the main objective of this task, which is rather to find flat spaces suitable for potential helicoper landings among others. Regarding my paradigm of contributing to OSM data more generally, I tend to improve data quality in several iterations, this means to break up the task into various pieces (which of course have to be consistent), if it isn't justifiable to solve the task as an one-off (cf. 1.). The first iteration in the given case would be to register buildings as quickly as possible. Technically spoken, in JOSM, I copy one building node and then per instance point the mouse cursor on the right spot while pasting. You're right when you call this far from perfect, but it's something me or others can start from later. And regarding the schema [2], attributing a single node looks fairly valid to me. Tracing the building as an area would therefore be part of the next iteration step since some exact adjustment is required per object, which renders the effort many times higher. If you've got any remarks or further questions, please don't hesitate to state them. Cheers and happy mapping Klaus / k127 References: [1] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1026#task/114 [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building Cheers Klaus / k127 Am 04.05.2015 um 01:50 schrieb Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: On Sunday, May 3, 2015, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: Hi - 2015-05-03 22:03 GMT+01:00 Phil Allford pallf...@gmail.com: 1. Should I delete the single node tag for a house when I trace a building? JOSM warns of object within object... I left the original tags. Yes, delete it - it's important not to lose any extra tags that might be there, so make sure of that (but in many cases it's just building=yes or whatever). Advanced JOSM users like to merge the old node into one of the new building's nodes, moving the tags from node to way, so that the object's history is connected. Don't feel obliged to do that if it's tricksy. Probably most new users aren't using Potlatch, but for anyone that is, you can convert from node to area and keep all tags by selecting the node, then shift-clicking where you want another corner to be. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Tracing tagged buildings
Hi Klaus, First of all, thanks for providing such a measured response to a not very measured message. I’m sorry you got such a rude message in the first place and want to assure you that it doesn’t reflect HOT’s attitude, both stated by the organization and unstated within the community, towards errors by new contributors. Everyone has to start somewhere and errors are inevitable. Secondly, I do have to agree with the point of the message. The fact is your iterative work process doesn’t fit with the contribution-validation process HOT has set up to make it easy for everyone to work together. There’s no graceful way in the technical tools or HOT’s workflow to reflect that buildings-as-nodes are a transitional step by you towards perfect data. Thus it creates the potential for others to waste time “correcting” what seems like a mistake. I can understand how this system would work really well when you’re managing a task or area by yourself. But HOT tasks are done with others and the system is designed so that we build on one another’s work. Also consider that no responding agencies are looking for buildings as nodes and hence your transitional data adds no value until entered as an area. Finally, a gentle reminder to experienced: if you encounter systematic errors from users, however seemingly basic or disastrous, please give them the benefit of the doubt with a nice message. Inviting new users to contribute guarantees mistakes, but it creates a lot more value than harm: we have to accept the mistakes as part of the process. If I was a new user and read the message above I guarantee I would be scared off mapping — and that means HOT just lost a potential longtime contributor. Best, Robert — Sent from Mailbox On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Klaus Hartl k...@gmx.de wrote: Hi HOT, with this message I’m not particularly answering the previous one rather than intending to jump on that topic due to some misunderstandings I got notified by concerned users via private message (which I’ll post here), on which a little clarification is needed. If the following issues are clarified elsewhere, I’d like to thank you for that notice in advance and excuse any double posting. Some OSM mapper wrote to me: Hi I'd like to let you know that the Task #658 (http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1018#task/658) is a complete mess thanks to you and a few other users. Why don't you read the instructions before starting to work on the map? You've entered thousand of buildings as nodes, when instruction states that buildings has to be entered as polygons and now someone is going to waste precious time in order to correct your errors. I hope this was your only mistake. I'm not going to waste any more time by writing to you; please, read carefully the instructions BEFORE any edit. Have a nice one Regards I’d like to post my reasons to this list so that it can be validated by all and further misunderstandings can hopefully be avoided Hello […], Thank you for your friendly notice and for honoring OSM volunteer work. You're definitely right proposing to trace buildings as areas. Hence, I am fully aware that I created information what you might consider a lack of quality. However, the reasons for registering buildings like I did are these: I was working on an HOT task (in case you don't know, please see [1]). Buildings are not part of the main objective of this task, which is rather to find flat spaces suitable for potential helicoper landings among others. Regarding my paradigm of contributing to OSM data more generally, I tend to improve data quality in several iterations, this means to break up the task into various pieces (which of course have to be consistent), if it isn't justifiable to solve the task as an one-off (cf. 1.). The first iteration in the given case would be to register buildings as quickly as possible. Technically spoken, in JOSM, I copy one building node and then per instance point the mouse cursor on the right spot while pasting. You're right when you call this far from perfect, but it's something me or others can start from later. And regarding the schema [2], attributing a single node looks fairly valid to me. Tracing the building as an area would therefore be part of the next iteration step since some exact adjustment is required per object, which renders the effort many times higher. If you've got any remarks or further questions, please don't hesitate to state them. Cheers and happy mapping Klaus / k127 References: [1] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1026#task/114 [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building Cheers Klaus / k127 Am 04.05.2015 um 01:50 schrieb Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: On Sunday, May 3, 2015, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: Hi - 2015-05-03 22:03 GMT+01:00 Phil Allford pallf...@gmail.com: 1. Should I delete the single node tag for a house when I
Re: [HOT] What's water?
Having mapped a number of streams over the past years, I guess the first thing to say is that it is surprisingly difficult. Mapping the same watercourse at different scales can have very different results and the stream channel itself can change considerably with any given flood event. Aerial, satellite, and topographic maps each have their own strengths and weaknesses as the basis for stream/river delineation. As a mapping consolation, since they move around so much and vary so much over time, approximations at the scales we are using should be good enough. One of the things to keep in mind is the reason we are mapping watercourses. In our current context, when I map one, or even study one in high resolution photos, I usually think of them as a potential source of water for nearby inhabitants, as travel obstacles potentially restricting crossings to particular locations or structures, and as a pathway along which very destructive events can occur - from floods to mudflows to debris torrents. I've yet to successfully load the hiu layer anywhere - ongoing JOSM struggles - but after a quick check of the coordinates you gave in Google Earth I can say unequivocally that it is stream or for OSM purposes a river. I suspect what you are seeing is mostly a result of shadow, which often makes aerial and satellite imagery challenging - streams are often shadowed given they occupy the lowest areas in a landscape and mountains/steep valley walls cast great shadows. btw, for a cool feature, about 1 km to the SSW is an alluvial fan! Cheers, John On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 2:09 AM, Pat Tressel ptres...@myuw.net wrote: Hi, Suzan! I mapped dry streams. Can someone experienced check my work yesterday? I also saw waterways in areas where no water could run, as in forests or over land without any waterway. I also questioned some paths could be wsterways. Good to check Newbie work! It could also be that they were using different imagery that is misaligned. There are two email threads about alignment right now... The imagery I'm using is definitely not correctly aligned :-( though that's not the concern here, which is more about how to interpret what I'm seeing. Your question about distinguishing a path from a streambed is similar, and I've been wondering about that too. Maybe we should find and post some examples. -- Pat ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] data alignment to satellite imagery
Hi Michael, It would greatly help us if people who have trekked in these areas send us gps traces. These long paths woud be useful, plus village names. I sent a twitter yesterday to sollicit receiving these gps traces. People should write to activation @ hotosm.orghttps://twitter.com/pierzen/status/594786000729186304 Pierre De : Michael Krämer ohr...@gmail.com À : HOT@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 4 mai 2015 2h56 Objet : Re: [HOT] data alignment to satellite imagery Hi, for me the gold standard for image alignment in OSM are gpx traces with high quality. If no traces are available - which likely applies to most of Nepal - Bing is the standard to use. In either case adjust any other imagery to match the alignment of the standard. But now the limitation: Some of the imagery currently in use with HOT shows some difference compared to Bing. But this is not a simple shift. To my limited understanding this comes from the correction applied to the image. Especially in mountains this is difficult - which likely is especially true for the Himalayas. But keep the distances in mind: With high resolution images a shift of let's say 10 m is pretty visible - but should not really matter too much in real live. In any case: Try to align any of your work with Bing. Leave any misaligned data for now. Michael (user Ohr) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] log-in information Digtial Globe/WV3 imagery 2015-05-3
Hi Paolo, There is actually loading problems on teh DG server. Jean-Guilhem is working to install a proxy on his server with a Cache This way, there will be less requests of images on the DG server. We come back soon to you on this. Thanks to people who helped for TM 1033. Almost completed. Thanks for your fantastic support in this quite challenging OSM response for Nepal. Pierre De : Paolo Pasquariello p.paolo1...@gmail.com À : hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 4 mai 2015 3h47 Objet : [HOT] log-in information Digtial Globe/WV3 imagery 2015-05-3 Good morning, I have problems to load Digtial Globe/WV3 imagery 2015-05-3 in JOSM.7When I am loading the mentioned imagery in JOSM, it appears the windows of confirmation in order to get the satellite images but my OSM user and password don't wrong. I don't understand what is the problem because my credentials are not worng. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to identify the recent mappers?
This page shows Newest Active OpenStreetMap Contributors for Nepal http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Nepal. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Kusala9 kusa...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm new to overpass but there s a nice python wrapper which will make user counts and geometry calculations easier. I can look at this tonight and will report back. Jon 58683-23001#47 On 4 May 2015, at 02:45, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Is there a overpass skilled person to write the script that can identify mappers with limited experience (recent mapper ID or number of contributions less than let us say 5,000) over Nepal, so that we can check their contributions and give advice about how to improve them. Another hero would be the person able to include a detection of non squared buildings within the Validator steps. Sincerely, Severin ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Best Regards Amrit Karmacharya Instructor, Survey Officer Land Management Training Center ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
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Interesting, but it does not show any contributor. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:41 PM, amrit karmacharya amrit...@gmail.com wrote: This page shows Newest Active OpenStreetMap Contributors for Nepal http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Nepal. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Kusala9 kusa...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm new to overpass but there s a nice python wrapper which will make user counts and geometry calculations easier. I can look at this tonight and will report back. Jon 58683-23001#47 On 4 May 2015, at 02:45, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Is there a overpass skilled person to write the script that can identify mappers with limited experience (recent mapper ID or number of contributions less than let us say 5,000) over Nepal, so that we can check their contributions and give advice about how to improve them. Another hero would be the person able to include a detection of non squared buildings within the Validator steps. Sincerely, Severin ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Best Regards Amrit Karmacharya Instructor, Survey Officer Land Management Training Center ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] log-in information Digtial Globe/WV3 imagery 2015-05-3
Good news, Jean-Guilhem solution is working well. Please, help us map rapidly for http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1030 Note that this is reserved for more experienced mappers. If you only have a few days experience with OSM edit, we ask you to have more experience before doing these more complex tasks. cheers Pierre De : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr À : Paolo Pasquariello p.paolo1...@gmail.com; hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 4 mai 2015 8h37 Objet : Re: [HOT] log-in information Digtial Globe/WV3 imagery 2015-05-3 Hi Paolo, There is actually loading problems on teh DG server. Jean-Guilhem is working to install a proxy on his server with a Cache This way, there will be less requests of images on the DG server. We come back soon to you on this. Thanks to people who helped for TM 1033. Almost completed. Thanks for your fantastic support in this quite challenging OSM response for Nepal. Pierre De : Paolo Pasquariello p.paolo1...@gmail.com À : hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 4 mai 2015 3h47 Objet : [HOT] log-in information Digtial Globe/WV3 imagery 2015-05-3 Good morning, I have problems to load Digtial Globe/WV3 imagery 2015-05-3 in JOSM.7When I am loading the mentioned imagery in JOSM, it appears the windows of confirmation in order to get the satellite images but my OSM user and password don't wrong. I don't understand what is the problem because my credentials are not worng. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] TMS proxy for DG WMS (was: log-in information Digtial Globe/WV3 imagery 2015-05-3)
Dear All,
Here is a TileCache TMS proxy and cache in front of DigitalGlobe WMS
server for Nepal crisis imagery layer :
URL for JOSM:
tms:http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/tms/1.0.0/nepal_digitalglobe_wms_proxy/{zoom}/{x}/{y}
URL for iD:
http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/tms/1.0.0/nepal_digitalglobe_wms_proxy/{z}/{x}/{y}
It provides the default username / password to the WMS server.
As tiles will be kept in cache after their first access, it should speed
up access in active areas.
(If you get errors on some tiles, please reload tiles, and they should
arrive).
Thanks to the TileCache authors!
Best wishes,
Jean-Guilhem
Le 04/05/2015 14:37, Pierre Béland a écrit :
Hi Paolo,
There is actually loading problems on teh DG server. Jean-Guilhem is
working to install a proxy on his server with a Cache This way, there
will be less requests of images on the DG server.
We come back soon to you on this.
Thanks to people who helped for TM 1033. Almost completed.
Thanks for your fantastic support in this quite challenging OSM
response for Nepal.
Pierre
*De :* Paolo Pasquariello p.paolo1...@gmail.com
*À :* hot@openstreetmap.org
*Envoyé le :* Lundi 4 mai 2015 3h47
*Objet :* [HOT] log-in information Digtial Globe/WV3 imagery 2015-05-3
Good morning, I have problems to load Digtial Globe/WV3 imagery
2015-05-3
http://127.0.0.1:8111/imagery?title=DigitalGlobe_20150503type=wmsurl=wms:https://services.digitalglobe.com/mapservice/wmsaccess?SERVICE=WMSconnectid=71ae32ec-f6df-4ed7-b707-2aa016610679FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=DigitalGlobe:ImagerySTYLES=SRS=%7Bproj%7DWIDTH=%7Bwidth%7DHEIGHT=%7Bheight%7DBBOX=%7Bbbox%7D
in
JOSM.7
When I am loading the mentioned imagery in JOSM, it appears the
windows of confirmation in order to get the satellite images but my
OSM user and password don't wrong. I don't understand what is the
problem because my credentials are not worng.
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Re: [HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to identify the recent mappers?
Oh, it just updated/ reset. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, but it does not show any contributor. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:41 PM, amrit karmacharya amrit...@gmail.com wrote: This page shows Newest Active OpenStreetMap Contributors for Nepal http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Nepal. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Kusala9 kusa...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm new to overpass but there s a nice python wrapper which will make user counts and geometry calculations easier. I can look at this tonight and will report back. Jon 58683-23001#47 On 4 May 2015, at 02:45, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Is there a overpass skilled person to write the script that can identify mappers with limited experience (recent mapper ID or number of contributions less than let us say 5,000) over Nepal, so that we can check their contributions and give advice about how to improve them. Another hero would be the person able to include a detection of non squared buildings within the Validator steps. Sincerely, Severin ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Best Regards Amrit Karmacharya Instructor, Survey Officer Land Management Training Center -- Best Regards Amrit Karmacharya Instructor, Survey Officer Land Management Training Center ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] helicopter landing/take-off (leisure=common)
working on task #1023-114: I have seen many small (not circular) areas marked as leisure=common (i.e. good candidates for helic. landing); they are in contrast with the landscape morphology suggested by the contour lines in OpenCycleMap; from aerial pictures they seem to correspond to a flat area; what to do? take or delete? Roberto quote of the day ~ leave your fear or leave your life (ancient indian saying) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to identify the recent mappers?
Thanks Pascal Neis for this again. This includes a RSS feed. No user listed yet on my screen. Pierre De : amrit karmacharya amrit...@gmail.com À : Kusala9 kusa...@googlemail.com Cc : hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 4 mai 2015 8h41 Objet : Re: [HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to identify the recent mappers? This page shows Newest Active OpenStreetMap Contributors for Nepal http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Nepal. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Kusala9 kusa...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm new to overpass but there s a nice python wrapper which will make user counts and geometry calculations easier. I can look at this tonight and will report back. Jon 58683-23001#47 On 4 May 2015, at 02:45, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Is there a overpass skilled person to write the script that can identify mappers with limited experience (recent mapper ID or number of contributions less than let us say 5,000) over Nepal, so that we can check their contributions and give advice about how to improve them. Another hero would be the person able to include a detection of non squared buildings within the Validator steps. Sincerely, Severin ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Best RegardsAmrit KarmacharyaInstructor, Survey OfficerLand Management Training Center ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] helicopter landing/take-off (leisure=common)
Satellite images are better references, better to follow satellite images. The contours data are old, the land might have been flattened. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:37 PM, piz p...@unical.it wrote: working on task #1023-114: I have seen many small (not circular) areas marked as leisure=common (i.e. good candidates for helic. landing); they are in contrast with the landscape morphology suggested by the contour lines in OpenCycleMap; from aerial pictures they seem to correspond to a flat area; what to do? take or delete? Roberto quote of the day ~ leave your fear or leave your life (ancient indian saying) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Best Regards Amrit Karmacharya Instructor, Survey Officer Land Management Training Center ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to identify the recent mappers?
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Hi,
there is a . athe the ent of the URL. This is the correct one:
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Nepal
ngt
Am 04.05.2015 um 14:54 schrieb Pierre Béland:
Thanks Pascal Neis for this
again. This includes a RSS feed. No user listed yet on my screen.
Pierre
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*Objet :* Re: [HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to
identify the recent mappers?
This page shows Newest Active OpenStreetMap Contributors for
Nepal http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Nepal.
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Kusala9
kusa...@googlemail.com
mailto:kusa...@googlemail.com wrote:
I'm new to overpass but there s a nice python wrapper
which will make user counts and geometry calculations easier. I
can look at this tonight and will report back. Jon
58683-23001#47
On 4 May 2015, at 02:45, Severin Menard
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mailto:severin.men...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Is there a overpass skilled person to write the
script that can identify mappers with limited experience (recent
mapper ID or number of contributions less than let us say 5,000)
over Nepal, so that we can check their contributions and give
advice about how to improve them.
Another hero would be the person able to include a
detection of non squared buildings within the Validator steps.
Sincerely,
Severin
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Re: [HOT] TMS proxy for DG WMS (was: log-in information Digtial Globe/WV3 imagery 2015-05-3)
It's working.
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com
wrote:
Dear All,
Here is a TileCache TMS proxy and cache in front of DigitalGlobe WMS
server for Nepal crisis imagery layer :
URL for JOSM:
tms:
http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/tms/1.0.0/nepal_digitalglobe_wms_proxy/
{zoom}/{x}/{y}
URL for iD:
http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/tms/1.0.0/nepal_digitalglobe_wms_proxy/
{z}/{x}/{y}
It provides the default username / password to the WMS server.
As tiles will be kept in cache after their first access, it should speed
up access in active areas.
(If you get errors on some tiles, please reload tiles, and they should
arrive).
Thanks to the TileCache authors!
Best wishes,
Jean-Guilhem
Le 04/05/2015 14:37, Pierre Béland a écrit :
Hi Paolo,
There is actually loading problems on teh DG server. Jean-Guilhem is
working to install a proxy on his server with a Cache This way, there will
be less requests of images on the DG server.
We come back soon to you on this.
Thanks to people who helped for TM 1033. Almost completed.
Thanks for your fantastic support in this quite challenging OSM response
for Nepal.
Pierre
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*Objet :* [HOT] log-in information Digtial Globe/WV3 imagery 2015-05-3
Good morning, I have problems to load Digtial Globe/WV3 imagery 2015-05-3
http://127.0.0.1:8111/imagery?title=DigitalGlobe_20150503type=wmsurl=wms:https://services.digitalglobe.com/mapservice/wmsaccess?SERVICE=WMSconnectid=71ae32ec-f6df-4ed7-b707-2aa016610679FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=DigitalGlobe:ImagerySTYLES=SRS=%7Bproj%7DWIDTH=%7Bwidth%7DHEIGHT=%7Bheight%7DBBOX=%7Bbbox%7D
in
JOSM.7
When I am loading the mentioned imagery in JOSM, it appears the windows of
confirmation in order to get the satellite images but my OSM user and
password don't wrong. I don't understand what is the problem because my
credentials are not worng.
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Re: [HOT] helicopter landing/take-off (leisure=common)
I would suggest for each cluster of houses, to select the best candidate, to not map all the potential areas. Pierre De : piz p...@unical.it À : hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 4 mai 2015 8h52 Objet : [HOT] helicopter landing/take-off (leisure=common) working on task #1023-114: I have seen many small (not circular) areas marked as leisure=common (i.e. good candidates for helic. landing); they are in contrast with the landscape morphology suggested by the contour lines in OpenCycleMap; from aerial pictures they seem to correspond to a flat area; what to do? take or delete? Roberto quote of the day ~ leave your fear or leave your life (ancient indian saying) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to identify the recent mappers?
Working better :)Thanks Pierre De : Julian Haag o...@juhaag.de À : hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 4 mai 2015 9h05 Objet : Re: [HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to identify the recent mappers? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, there is a . athe the ent of the URL. This is the correct one: http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Nepal ngt Am 04.05.2015 um 14:54 schrieb Pierre Béland: Thanks Pascal Neis for this again. This includes a RSS feed. No user listed yet on my screen. Pierre - *De :* amrit karmacharya amrit...@gmail.com *À :* Kusala9 kusa...@googlemail.com *Cc :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Lundi 4 mai 2015 8h41 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to identify the recent mappers? This page shows Newest Active OpenStreetMap Contributors for Nepal http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Nepal. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Kusala9 kusa...@googlemail.com mailto:kusa...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm new to overpass but there s a nice python wrapper which will make user counts and geometry calculations easier. I can look at this tonight and will report back. Jon 58683-23001#47 On 4 May 2015, at 02:45, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com mailto:severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Is there a overpass skilled person to write the script that can identify mappers with limited experience (recent mapper ID or number of contributions less than let us say 5,000) over Nepal, so that we can check their contributions and give advice about how to improve them. Another hero would be the person able to include a detection of non squared buildings within the Validator steps. Sincerely, Severin ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Best Regards Amrit Karmacharya Instructor, Survey Officer Land Management Training Center ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVR26KAAoJEMUCiYazPkhKZjcQAM7zlBJW6huq2ikO1iB55oIj VTqMd3HW2hdIGNQYywbbSqV31dXSDu1HCpPRZZMTfCDHwHjYeEm6ChMFVo3MEJ6C GCRHyr7XtzsDueCytQdXyWoSRVPNcigNQczMKfURYdPyiWzRdTqLHrasfMZdUPfW Ue8Gy1iITksRF17zh/URJydGjD+9fsWPiNBYyjvI2oTXXPEAPZH69G7wG7N8Me43 /cNuIMIv2m81MBhD5egGzIHw7buJ/aUbjl3LSDzX64GOuOp/NC5Xgotg1HL2PvmE FfNaZIhpiyLwk31odMOcwUglnLfHepIekNulc4qi7BpXx139pT0KrRsmXgpS+Y7Q 0LR3inEf0fHWS0PrrzVK9UxF03xcMNJLZDOMnpeoZ3PIXQ5HWSsF0H7N6nF6dXIk wHfo+cxm1ype6A08vHw+TVK/gSoR/0DlxgNTyQyq3ZQDaP2mUE9ZtPuHtz3Yq3n/ oIPRp3vlwYHpeskk54pE3jb1pJwVq75JC0Akt/Au7K0v3JAmmkW7QHpiU9NCJbkM cFm7PWISyuEK7RWYm+lEUU1aJInGeVsN94OtJPJ7XxTCBZE9glDsEEooFVYaNYov BpaIuHem2GZniin+Yg0Ow3ZVGj3kOYhJ1gGZSkwGHeN6P1JePD/ZwyO2scYZLvmQ kfytyRgvPtpKm1oEFb/5 =NLxE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Path mapping restrictions in tasks
Exactly Andre We want to show connections from highways to paths to houses. This will hep support these people. Pierre De : Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com À : hot hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 4 mai 2015 9h10 Objet : Re: [HOT] Path mapping restrictions in tasks In my opinion, when there are no (major) roads, but only paths, the most important paths become as such the 'major road network' themselves. The way I interpret this restriction is that we do not want paths that do not connect to anything, so-called islands n OSM terminology. We also do not want small paths that just connect to one small patch of farmland. But where there is a path to the next village, but no road, that's a path we really do want, methinks. André On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Pat Tressel ptres...@myuw.net wrote: The instructions for (e.g.) task #1018 say to map only paths that connect to major road networks. I'm mapping in the Borang area from Digital Globe imagery (not the imagery listed for this task -- there is no Bing imagery here and the MapBox imagery is low-resolution). There *are* no roads, let alone road networks, in this area. If we don't map foot paths that don't connect to road networks, there won't be any travel routes marked at all. Prior mappers in this are have started to map paths (including some well-known paths, such as the Ganesh Himal trek). Note these areas also do not appear to have good helicopter or small plane landing sites -- they are terraced and steep. So...can the restriction be relaxed in these remote areas that do not have roads? If the restriction is relaxed, what should the criterion be? Also, regarding paths: In some places, paths that are well-defined for part of their length will disappear under trees, or will be hard to distinguish when they run along a terrace, or split into multiple less-distinct paths. I'm wondering if there are other sources of information about paths to and between remote villages. Perhaps trek guide companies? Old maps that could be rectified using Mapwarper? Anyone familiar with those areas who could have a look at the imagery, and advise on where an indistinct path most likely runs? -- Pat ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] What's water?
Thanks Pat! I loaded hiu and even looked at it some before my recurring memory error started messing up my JOSM experience. [awhile ago I added the suggested fix but either did it wrong or I have some 64-bit type issue] What I noticed could have been partially due to alignment, but the stream was generally marked slightly to the east of what is represented in the imagery. I think your instincts regarding its path not actually going through the treetops is correct. For the reaches in the immediate area, it appears highly constrained with little to no floodplain. As far as revising its location, I wouldn't unless the mapped channel conflicted with a settlement, an important transportation route, or a bridge or something like that -- and even then probably just in the immediate area of the conflict. ... Gotta get to work... Cheers! John On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: I agree. In JOSM, it helps sometimes to switch to the Opencyclemap layer to see elevations when we have not a clear image, shadow or other obstacle. Shadow will be a problem in narrow valleys. I have seen this looking at the Langtang valley surrounded by high summits. Pierre -- *De :* Pat Tressel ptres...@myuw.net *À :* john o'l ol.john...@gmail.com *Cc :* hot hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Lundi 4 mai 2015 9h36 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] What's water? John -- Having mapped a number of streams over the past years, I guess the first thing to say is that it is surprisingly difficult. Mapping the same watercourse at different scales can have very different results and the stream channel itself can change considerably with any given flood event. Aerial, satellite, and topographic maps each have their own strengths and weaknesses as the basis for stream/river delineation. As a mapping consolation, since they move around so much and vary so much over time, approximations at the scales we are using should be good enough. One of the things to keep in mind is the reason we are mapping watercourses. In our current context, when I map one, or even study one in high resolution photos, I usually think of them as a potential source of water for nearby inhabitants, as travel obstacles potentially restricting crossings to particular locations or structures, and as a pathway along which very destructive events can occur - from floods to mudflows to debris torrents. I've yet to successfully load the hiu layer anywhere - ongoing JOSM struggles Imagery - Image Preferences Click the TMS button on the lower right. In the popup: Enter the above URL in box 1., but == take off the tms: ==, because it will add that for you. Enter a name for the imagery in box 4 -- this is what will appear in the menu. Click OK. but after a quick check of the coordinates you gave in Google Earth I can say unequivocally that it is stream or for OSM purposes a river. There's definitely a river -- I'm trying to pin down whether the water is in the narrow channel at the west side of the dark region in the above image, or if there is actually water flooding out over a large area. I suspect what you are seeing is mostly a result of shadow, which often makes aerial and satellite imagery challenging - streams are often shadowed given they occupy the lowest areas in a landscape and mountains/steep valley walls cast great shadows. True, the shadow could be from the angle of the land, not just the trees. That would hint that there should be less shadow where the river is flowing toward the southeast, as the sun is shining from south-southeast. If the above procedure works, have a peek. btw, for a cool feature, about 1 km to the SSW is an alluvial fan! Ah! -- Pat ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
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[HOT] Pierre, Nama and Maning - The Coordinators of the Nepal Activation
Hello HOT family, Things have been extremely busy with the current activation and HOT can not even start to thank Pierre, Nama and Maning enough for everything they have and are doing. It's been hailed as one of the best activation responses [1], and it wouldn't have been possible without they're tireless work, along with the support of numerous organisations, the extended activation team and of course our mappers. Each and every contributor makes it possible for the maps to get out and help the people of Nepal in the wake of the disaster. HOT are focusing on getting and providing the extra support and tools the activation coordinators need to continue doing they're amazing work, as well as providing better guidance for the new contributors that are just starting out and need our mentorship. We are always open to any suggestions, so please contact us and let us know your thoughts on how we can be better and do what we do best! And thank you once again Pierre, Nama and Maning on behalf of HOT and the wider community. Kind regards, Mhairi [1] http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/05/the-mapmakers-helping-nepal/392228/?fb_ref=Default -- Mhairi O'Hara Technical Project Manager Email: mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org Indonesian Mobile: +62 822 4701 1475 *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team * *Using OpenStreetMap for Humanitarian Response Economic Development* ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Tracing tagged buildings
p.s.: I just took a look at the *Building Tools* Plugin for JOSM[2], which kind of supersedes my two-pass contribution approach by providing a neat two-and-a-half-click action for creating a perfect, orthogonal building shape. ... and that can be combined with the JOSM extrude function[1] to create L and more complex shaped orthogonal buildings. Just double click to create a new node on the side of a building and drag to extrude one of the resulting new segments. [1] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Action/Extrude Mike ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Request for Import: VDC Boundaries
Prabhas, we are starting a working group to look at imports. Blake has accepted to work on this. Other contributions from HOT contributors experienced with imports is welcome. We first have to look at the license and if not clear enough, we have an agreement form that can be signed to import the data into OSM with ODbL license. We also have to look at the quality of the data and establish a strategy how to import the data. Once these are done, we can prepare a Task manager job to crowdsource this import effort. We generally this using a private Task were we invite more specialized contributors to look at the import and exchange among them about the challenges of this particular import. This is basically our import workflow developped over the last years. Pierre De : Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokha...@gmail.com À : hot hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 4 mai 2015 12h58 Objet : [HOT] Request for Import: VDC Boundaries Hi all,First, Wanted to thank Heather who wrote to UN OCHA and others to get the process of importing the health facilities dataset going. To re-iterate, the motivation is that the paper maps we have been making are AMAZING resolution in terms of residential areas, buildings, and roads, thanks to HOT volunteers, but that named POIs and locations are needed for people trying to use them in the field. Another dataset that would be extremely useful to get into OSM for this same purpose is the VDC boundaries. I know of two sources: https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-admin-level-4-administrative-boundaries-cod and an older one from GADM, which has the following license: Nepal NPL FortiusOne Inc. (via WorldBank; http://maps.worldbank.org/overlays/3238)(Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License.) Would it be possible to help us import these boundaries into OSM? If not, what are the issues that need to be solved for that to happen? cheers,Prabhas Pokharel ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Interesting visualisation Arun. What is the source of healthcare data? Its the same WHO dataset. Overlaid on OSM using Studio. Pierre -- *De :* Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com *À :* Bernadette Williams bernadette.willi...@gmail.com *Cc :* HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team) hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Lundi 4 mai 2015 5h35 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong? If someone would like to explore the healthcare facilities data, you can use this interactive visualization: https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/planemad.353be7fb/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoicGxhbmVtYWQiLCJhIjoiemdYSVVLRSJ9.g3lbg_eN0kztmsfIPxa9MQ#8/27.703/84.279 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Bernadette Williams bernadette.willi...@gmail.com wrote: I just joined this weekend but I have a little bit of experience mapping data in this region of the world. GIS data I've received in Bangladesh needed to be projected/transformed from BTM (Bangladesh Transverse Mercator) to WGS 84. BTM is based on the Everest 1830 geographic coordinate system. Perhaps this is the same coordinate system being used locally in Nepal. -Bernadette -- Arun Ganesh (planemad) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Planemad http://j.mp/ArunGanesh ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Tracing tagged buildings
Klauss With these OSM responses we push every time our software and our organization to their limits. At the same time that we have the satisfaction to help for human relief, it is motivating for many of us to participate to such virtual humanitarian missions, gathering from around the world and exchanging on this list. This is quite intesting to see every time we adapt and respond quickly to various challenges, with every time the necessity to adapt rapidly. And the integration of new contributors is part of this mission. - 2013 Mali, Central African republic, South sudan, Haiyan, Philippines- 2014-2015 West Africa Ebola, Nepal earthquake I just want to say welcome to all these contributors, to learn how to work with this community and learn how to map, using our various communications (irc and this list), or participating to mapathons. cheers Pierre De : Klaus Hartl k...@gmx.de À : Robert Banick rban...@gmail.com Cc : hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 4 mai 2015 13h06 Objet : Re: [HOT] Tracing tagged buildings Hello Robert, thank you for your response! Regarding your second remark, which is quite the unemotional and pragmatic evaluation of my notes that I was hoping to receive, I see that it makes sense to change my workflow. I won’t map any further buildings as nodes then. Since other mappers could face the very same decisions, please let me point out how I came to my odd decision to map buildings as nodes: Whether or not we call a mapper experienced, I don’t see experience as to know tagging rules by heart. Since these could change over the years, just like visualization rules do, it does matter how those rules are recapitulated in case of need. In my case, like I did, I read the schema specification for the key building[1], and nothing more since attributing a node is not denoted invalid there: Note about using this tag on nodes : although buildings are better represented with their footprints (a closed way or a multipolygon relation), OSM is working by iteration and some areas in the world don't have good aerial imagery or public datasets offering building footprints. Therefore, buildings on nodes should be tolerated until better sources are available. And that’s where I see the odd and thus a risk of this (anti)pattern to repeat. Maybe we could adjust or refine either the specs or our judgement on applying these specs in order to arrange this procedure more even. Is there any opinion on that? Cheers Klaus / k127 p.s.: I just took a look at the Building Tools Plugin for JOSM[2], which kind of supersedes my two-pass contribution approach by providing a neat two-and-a-half-click action for creating a perfect, orthogonal building shape. References:[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/BuildingsTools Am 04.05.2015 um 14:11 schrieb Robert Banick rban...@gmail.com: Hi Klaus, First of all, thanks for providing such a measured response to a not very measured message. I’m sorry you got such a rude message in the first place and want to assure you that it doesn’t reflect HOT’s attitude, both stated by the organization and unstated within the community, towards errors by new contributors. Everyone has to start somewhere and errors are inevitable. Secondly, I do have to agree with the point of the message. The fact is your iterative work process doesn’t fit with the contribution-validation process HOT has set up to make it easy for everyone to work together. There’s no graceful way in the technical tools or HOT’s workflow to reflect that buildings-as-nodes are a transitional step by you towards perfect data. Thus it creates the potential for others to waste time “correcting” what seems like a mistake. I can understand how this system would work really well when you’re managing a task or area by yourself. But HOT tasks are done with others and the system is designed so that we build on one another’s work. Also consider that no responding agencies are looking for buildings as nodes and hence your transitional data adds no value until entered as an area. Finally, a gentle reminder to experienced: if you encounter systematic errors from users, however seemingly basic or disastrous, please give them the benefit of the doubt with a nice message. Inviting new users to contribute guarantees mistakes, but it creates a lot more value than harm: we have to accept the mistakes as part of the process. If I was a new user and read the message above I guarantee I would be scared off mapping — and that means HOT just lost a potential longtime contributor. Best,Robert — Sent from Mailbox On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Klaus Hartl k...@gmx.de wrote: Hi HOT, with this message I’m not particularly answering the previous one rather than intending to jump on that topic due to some misunderstandings I got notified by concerned users via private message (which I’ll post here), on
[HOT] Should Newbies (Me) keep mapping houses and easy features?
Since a lot of work now needs to be done by more experienced mappers, is it still helpful for newbies like me to trace houses and other easy features? Does seeing every building in an area (especially isolated buildings) help with rescue and aid? A lot of these buildings seem really hard to get to, so if they're mapped it would seem that they won't be overlooked, but I wanted to check. Question 2: Should blue and red-roofed buildings be marked, and if so, as buildings? They are aid tents, right? I'm sure I'm like thousands of newbs who are eager, dying, to help but not wanting to waste time on unimportant tasks. Please advise. Thanks, Laura ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] [FIELD PAPERS] Beta Release
Hello Hotties, Stamen Design have been working on a new release of Field Papers and now have an Beta version ready for testing. Please see a summary of their blog [1] regarding their recent work and the help they need and would greatly appreciate from the HOT community: *For years, humanitarian efforts have turned to Field Papers to aid on-the-ground mapping. Now, thanks to a grant from the Hewlett Foundation by way of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team, Stamen is rebooting the application and refreshing its infrastructure. Our goal is to keep Field Papers working effortlessly, no matter where they are, and to provide a foundation for the years ahead.* *To help us get there, we want to hear from you – is the software working well? What’s tricky? What’s slow? We’re also looking for translators to help expand the software to all localities where it is needed.* *Give next.fieldpapers.org http://next.fieldpapers.org/ (what we’re calling the beta release) a try and reach out with your feedback or translations: * - *General feedback and bug reports: https://github.com/fieldpapers/fieldpapers/issues https://github.com/fieldpapers/fieldpapers/issues * - *Join an existing translation team or form a new one: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/fieldpapers/ https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/fieldpapers/* Kind regards, HOT + Stamen Design [1] http://fieldpapers.tumblr.com/ -- Mhairi O'Hara Technical Project Manager Email: mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org Indonesian Mobile: +62 822 4701 1475 *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team * *Using OpenStreetMap for Humanitarian Response Economic Development* ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] What tags are currently used in HOT? (Was: NEPAL/Taginfo instance)
I'd like to setup a data extract and a humanitarian style. I know the JOSM HOT Presets,the Humanitarian style of osm.org and http://tiles.openterrain.org/?humaniterrain from Stamen. But none of them contain or show e.g. keys idp:camp_site or building:structure. And the wiki page http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags doesn't mention them neither. Each HOT task seems to suggest different tags with mostly only building=yes and highway=residential in common(?). Can someone enlighten me about the common used HOT tags and where they are documented? -S. 2015-05-03 16:39 GMT+02:00 Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com: Hi, 2015-04-29 17:12 GMT+02:00 Imre Samu pella.s...@gmail.com wrote: My only knowledge in HOT tagging, that: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008 and #1010 use this tags: idp:camp_site=spontaneous_camp damage:event=nepal_earthquake_2015 As mentioned in my thread before (Tags/Presets and tiled map servers used in HOT?) I'm still looking for tag definitions currently used in HOT. Looking at the ground truth, i.e. the taginfo instance of Nepal http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/keys mentions in top 18 used keys the following keys: Keys building:structure, building:overhang, building:adjacency, building:soft_storey = None have a wiki entry. But seem to be mentioned here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Indonesia Keys shape:elevation, shape:plan = No wiki entry: What does these mean? Key idp:camp_site = Mentioned in official Humanitarian_OSM_Tags wiki page: http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Model but which is supposedly outdated? Yours, S. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] URGENT Post-disaster Job for east of Kathmandu - For experienced mappers
Thanks Denis Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1018 is taking care of the Great Kathmandu. There are actually more then contributors, but yes,there is still lot to do. I invite all the contributors to complete this job. regard Pierre De : Denis Carriere carriere.de...@gmail.com À : hot@openstreetmap.org Cc : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr Envoyé le : Lundi 4 mai 2015 19h29 Objet : Re: [HOT] URGENT Post-disaster Job for east of Kathmandu - For experienced mappers Thanks Pierre for adding this task to the HOT tasking manager. I'm synced up with relief aid programs on the ground in Kathmandu and there are still a lot of help that needs to be done East of Kathmandu towards Chautara Charikot.More and more helicopters are now flying in off road vehicles are traveling to the remote places that still have not received any aid since the beginning of the earthquake.To all of the HOT community volunteers, thank you for all of the hard dedicated work and please continue to support this Nepal activation. You guys are really making a big difference in improving the mapping quality of Nepal for years to come!Cheers,- Denis Denis Carriere Canadian Forces GIS Project Manager OP Renaissance Nepal 2015 OSM: @DenisCarriere Twitter: @DenisCarriere Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Should Newbies (Me) keep mapping houses and easy features?
Laura, Blue and red-roofed buildings are not necessarily aid tents. Many buildings have blue roofs, and some red as well, from my experience. So I think there's no need to tag buildings based on roof color. Are you tracing buildings from post-quake imagery, where you would expect to see aid tents? I think the post-quake imagery is only being used for experienced mappers only tasks. The Bing and MapBox imagery was from before the earthquake. Cheers, Steve On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Laura, we should come back with more jobs to do. A lot of activity at technical problems to look at the same time by the core team. Plus we are in various timezones - Asia - Europe - America. Yes tracing individual buildings is always useful, including in the Kathmandu urban area. Pierre -- *De :* laura brittain l.n.britt...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Lundi 4 mai 2015 14h36 *Objet :* [HOT] Should Newbies (Me) keep mapping houses and easy features? Since a lot of work now needs to be done by more experienced mappers, is it still helpful for newbies like me to trace houses and other easy features? Does seeing every building in an area (especially isolated buildings) help with rescue and aid? A lot of these buildings seem really hard to get to, so if they're mapped it would seem that they won't be overlooked, but I wanted to check. Question 2: Should blue and red-roofed buildings be marked, and if so, as buildings? They are aid tents, right? I'm sure I'm like thousands of newbs who are eager, dying, to help but not wanting to waste time on unimportant tasks. Please advise. Thanks, Laura ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?
thanks arun I suggest you make a picture of it to add tothe wiki of the response. A section could show various visualisations from OSM. Pierre De : Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com À : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr Cc : Bernadette Williams bernadette.willi...@gmail.com; HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team) hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 4 mai 2015 14h26 Objet : Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong? On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Interesting visualisation Arun.What is the source of healthcare data? Its the same WHO dataset. Overlaid on OSM using Studio. Pierre De : Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com À : Bernadette Williams bernadette.willi...@gmail.com Cc : HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team) hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 4 mai 2015 5h35 Objet : Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong? If someone would like to explore the healthcare facilities data, you can use this interactive visualization: https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/planemad.353be7fb/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoicGxhbmVtYWQiLCJhIjoiemdYSVVLRSJ9.g3lbg_eN0kztmsfIPxa9MQ#8/27.703/84.279 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Bernadette Williams bernadette.willi...@gmail.com wrote: I just joined this weekend but I have a little bit of experience mapping data in this region of the world. GIS data I've received in Bangladesh needed to be projected/transformed from BTM (Bangladesh Transverse Mercator) to WGS 84. BTM is based on the Everest 1830 geographic coordinate system. Perhaps this is the same coordinate system being used locally in Nepal. -Bernadette -- Arun Ganesh (planemad) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Bad image quality
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey Nick, Thanks for your answer, I didn't got any other. The problem was on this task : http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1018#task/2058 I switched to JOSM but still, with Bing or MapBox Satelite, I got only a realy bad resolution. I was wondering if it was possible to have a better source. Could you check for me? Sorry, I just start maping here :D Thanks for your answers and please forgive my bad english, not my main language... Cheers. Greg Le 04.05.2015 22:12, Nick Allen a écrit : Greg, Not sure if your question got overlooked. Can you clarify which project you're looking at? Nick (OSM=Tallguy) dodgy didgits as using a phone with a spell chequer. Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Member On 4 May 2015 10:02, Gregory Trolliet gregory.troll...@openmailbox.org mailto:gregory.troll...@openmailbox.org wrote: Hey guys, I'm kinda new here and I'm mostly marking houses and roads for now. I am editing with the iD editor. I tried to do the task #2058 but the image quality is realy poor. I've seen somebody put some houses (which is impossible with this image quality), how did he find this out? Is there an option to have a better image quality image? Thanks for the answers. Greg ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVR+57AAoJEMD5khowGix7YkgP/0qVjStEUBQewgd5Ic08KZEk qxMbAM8qyCejBSpk3q1DarOdEf6QYXpc677jomwcbtf1+qrqNtv7EvuqwtUJVAbu 4neq0BLNkXBnUd9ZXCKrJfx4rdF5LqQtLY1hYIRJdggaW6GMWhSwUO67Jaq3TBZm bDPS0OQqPFEUbQ5ljn/fxen2ZIiaDNmmPJKHqpEx2ONAJODmSXic8v0JEUzhvO09 fWgUb3K71HgQpkWGbp3GlWporciQcv3F8oGYRXwkzwg655PrpBbivspD8SlsDsWf oJPYfIY+HHM/JiyleTISmr5M12Ej+8TQfj/CRgmlvhXJu9eM0JpqWpy0/amPPhm2 qpYqr2CqfprNS+qzpmxaiKOlsSJ8sFj/sMb/ZNwNtdFJ9tYxDJE2+cfqRDqAsVs3 N/XqRRpUCq3pcnLokGlpoy+6momIPqWgUzPi8ewugTTJBOnmuGfp0OuU+fHY3tcY y4vylwqlDP1l19y+uPfGpxBlL2ihlSk62ESX4gQDrW8XbtEAHgLjCBVkfzm979sb je51JHC8Z8OaDM0UODHBoK3+33VnxS7tGwZVr0ZkmSdwHxPtfzX0CcEp4jaatcJu +FjqwYtq/XJTwHuXh5ePWoDR9fd77erhtEskE21JqaYVpOEjyYlvpOgiRzy7ub+j VQ+Qp/L8AwrXG1Z+jOWf =dS36 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- L'absence de virus dans ce courrier électronique a été vérifiée par le logiciel antivirus Avast. http://www.avast.com ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] URGENT Post-disaster Job for east of Kathmandu - For experienced mappers
Thanks Pierre for adding this task to the HOT tasking manager. I'm synced up with relief aid programs on the ground in Kathmandu and there are still a lot of help that needs to be done East of Kathmandu towards Chautara Charikot. More and more helicopters are now flying in off road vehicles are traveling to the remote places that still have not received any aid since the beginning of the earthquake. To all of the HOT community volunteers, thank you for all of the hard dedicated work and please continue to support this Nepal activation. You guys are really making a big difference in improving the mapping quality of Nepal for years to come! Cheers, - Denis Denis Carriere Canadian Forces GIS Project Manager OP Renaissance Nepal 2015 OSM: @DenisCarriere Twitter: @DenisCarriere Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Tracing tagged buildings
John, that’s worrisome. Is it because buildings are oddly shaped or people are just being sloppy? I repeatedly see an area of buildings labeled building=yes rather than landuse=residential, typically square buildings are mapped with four nodes but an odd shape and typically larger than the building which is why I'm keen to see the JOSM building tool being used more. I also look out for area=yes, are they buildings? I've corrected several hundred to building=yes. Mapping an area landuse=residential tightly takes more time than a quick looser area say 25% larger but that's more an issue of how much resources we have available and how many projects we have in the list. Cheerio John On 4 May 2015 at 13:39, Robert Banick rban...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Klaus, Quick thoughts: 1) Wow, good catch on the wiki. I think what it means though is that nodes are acceptable *only* if we can’t see the outline. Since we can with our imagery we should draw outlines. In a case where we only had GPS points then maybe yes it would make sense to tag nodes as an interim step. 2) Buildings are so tricky because cultural construction practices change and with them the best mapping approach. I’m sure some of our top mappers could write whole books on the topic. It’s tough to define but clearly more needs to be said about not using nodes. 3) The Building Tools plugin is amazing, glad you found it. My favourite JOSM extension by far. John, that’s worrisome. Is it because buildings are oddly shaped or people are just being sloppy? Cheers, Robert — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Klaus Hartl k...@gmx.de wrote: Hello Robert, thank you for your response! Regarding your second remark, which is quite the unemotional and pragmatic evaluation of my notes that I was hoping to receive, I see that it makes sense to change my workflow. I won’t map any further buildings as nodes then. Since other mappers could face the very same decisions, please let me point out how I came to my odd decision to map buildings as nodes: Whether or not we call a mapper experienced, I don’t see experience as to know tagging rules by heart. Since these could change over the years, just like visualization rules do, it does matter how those rules are recapitulated in case of need. In my case, like I did, I read the *schema specification for the key building*[1], and nothing more since attributing *a node is not denoted invalid* there*:* *Note about using this tag on nodes : although buildings are better represented with their footprints (a closed way or a multipolygon relation), OSM is working by iteration and some areas in the world don't have good aerial imagery or public datasets offering building footprints. Therefore, buildings on nodes should be tolerated until better sources are available.* And that’s where I see the odd and thus a risk of this (anti)pattern to repeat. Maybe we could adjust or refine either the specs or our judgement on applying these specs in order to arrange this procedure more even. Is there any opinion on that? Cheers *Klaus / k127* p.s.: I just took a look at the *Building Tools* Plugin for JOSM[2], which kind of supersedes my two-pass contribution approach by providing a neat two-and-a-half-click action for creating a perfect, orthogonal building shape. *References:* [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/BuildingsTools Am 04.05.2015 um 14:11 schrieb Robert Banick rban...@gmail.com: Hi Klaus, *First of all,* thanks for providing such a measured response to a not very measured message. I’m sorry you got such a rude message in the first place and want to assure you that it doesn’t reflect HOT’s attitude, both stated by the organization and unstated within the community, towards errors by new contributors. Everyone has to start somewhere and errors are inevitable. *Secondly*, I do have to agree with the point of the message. The fact is your iterative work process doesn’t fit with the contribution-validation process HOT has set up to make it easy for everyone to work together. There’s no graceful way in the technical tools or HOT’s workflow to reflect that buildings-as-nodes are a transitional step by you towards perfect data. Thus it creates the potential for others to waste time “correcting” what seems like a mistake. I can understand how this system would work really well when you’re managing a task or area by yourself. But HOT tasks are done with others and the system is designed so that we build on one another’s work. Also consider that no responding agencies are looking for buildings as nodes and hence your transitional data adds no value until entered as an area. *Finally*, a gentle reminder to experienced: if you encounter systematic errors from users, however seemingly basic or disastrous, please
Re: [HOT] What tags are currently used in HOT? (Was: NEPAL/Taginfo instance)
Hi Will Many thanks to your answers! Now I revealed the mystery about key idp:camp_site: It's not [1] you mention but in [2]. And then I found also the possible origin e.g. of keys building:structure or shape:elevation. All these keys are among the top 20 most used tags of Nepal's taginfo [3]: They have been introduced [4] in Tag discussion mailinglist back in 2013 where the base work began way before this disaster! Actually neither one got documented in the OSM wiki. And what I still wonder too, is, why there's no Nepal activation map tile renderer showing the mentioned top 20 keys... -S. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide#Tagging [2] http://hotosm.github.io/tracing-guides/guide/Nepal.html [3] http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/keys [4] http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.tagging/14313 2015-05-04 23:48 GMT+02:00 Will Skora skorasau...@gmail.com: Hi Stefan, I posted yesterday but I forgot to CC you and edit the subject line. Since OSM doesn't have very rigid rules of what tags to use, some geographic areas and communities of interest (like HOT) may use a tag slightly different than in other areas or not use a tag at all. The HOT (HDM) Tagging Preset - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/HDM_preset was developed for HOT contexts but unique situations of what to tag arise, often very quickly after a disaster or event that HOT responds to (known as an activation), and a new tag is quickly decided on. Thus, particular objects, like an IDP camp, haven't been added to the preset or to the map renderings that you've mentioned. That discussion will need to happen here and in the working groups. Secondly, a geographic area usually has its own page on the OSM wiki how to tag commonly found features and any tagging nuances. Nepal's is at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide#Tagging ^^ I encourage a lot of new mappers to read this and encourage comments and feedback. Note if you want to edit the wiki, you have to make an account separate from your OpenStreetMap.org account. Lastly, and most importantly to determine what tags to use are in the task's Instructions. So if you read of any conflicting information between what's in the HOT preset, wiki, and what's mentioned in the Task Manager, err on the side of the task manager. You aren't required to use the preset for HOT mapping, but if you're interested, it's only available for JOSM. Installation instructions are at http://learnosm.org/en/editing/josm-presets/ and select the HDM/HOT preset. I hope it makes mapping easier for you. Secondly, as a relatively experienced HOT contributor and mapper, I thank the new OpenStreetMap users. This response is not like anything before and as you have seen, your contributions have been truly helpful and made a difference. Hope to you see your participation in the future. Regards, Will (skorasaurus) -- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 20:58:46 +0200 From: Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com To: hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [HOT] What tags are currently used in HOT? (Was: NEPAL/Taginfo instance) Message-ID: CAFcOn29WTjERFa9XgG=7ocqktzbe+xfgxwvmk5embuika9i...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'd like to setup a data extract and a humanitarian style. I know the JOSM HOT Presets,the Humanitarian style of osm.org and http://tiles.openterrain.org/?humaniterrain from Stamen. But none of them contain or show e.g. keys idp:camp_site or building:structure. And the wiki page http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags doesn't mention them neither. Each HOT task seems to suggest different tags with mostly only building=yes and highway=residential in common(?). Can someone enlighten me about the common used HOT tags and where they are documented? -S. — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Should Newbies (Me) keep mapping houses and easy features?
Laura, we should come back with more jobs to do. A lot of activity at technical problems to look at the same time by the core team. Plus we are in various timezones - Asia - Europe - America. Yes tracing individual buildings is always useful, including in the Kathmandu urban area. Pierre De : laura brittain l.n.britt...@gmail.com À : hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 4 mai 2015 14h36 Objet : [HOT] Should Newbies (Me) keep mapping houses and easy features? Since a lot of work now needs to be done by more experienced mappers, is it still helpful for newbies like me to trace houses and other easy features? Does seeing every building in an area (especially isolated buildings) help with rescue and aid?A lot of these buildings seem really hard to get to, so if they're mapped it would seem that they won't be overlooked, but I wanted to check. Question 2:Should blue and red-roofed buildings be marked, and if so, as buildings? They are aid tents, right? I'm sure I'm like thousands of newbs who are eager, dying, to help but not wanting to waste time on unimportant tasks.Please advise. Thanks, Laura ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to identify the recent mappers?
This is great. We are really looking at somehow incorporating a tiered user system (beginner/intermediate/advanced) into the Tasking Manager, so that we can hopefully do the following: Mapper status: Provide various levels of mapper status (beginner/intermediate/advanced), so that only advanced can validate tiles and perhaps a buddy system can be introduced to guide beginners. Chat room: Provide a channel where users (beginners) can speak to other users (experienced) live to get help on how to do mapping. Something similar to MapCraft (http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/) *Beginner guidance:* Once new mappers are identified, perhaps experienced users can give them view access to watch them map live. This would be the quickest way to teach and learn during an activation, as it would be specific to the project they are working on and enable them to become familiar with identifying features in the satellite imagery. Again, duly noted! Please keep me in the loop if you make any head way on the python wrapper Kusala. Kind regards, Mhairi On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Working better :) Thanks Pierre -- *De :* Julian Haag o...@juhaag.de *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Lundi 4 mai 2015 9h05 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to identify the recent mappers? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, there is a . athe the ent of the URL. This is the correct one: http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Nepal ngt Am 04.05.2015 um 14:54 schrieb Pierre Béland: Thanks Pascal Neis for this again. This includes a RSS feed. No user listed yet on my screen. Pierre - *De :* amrit karmacharya amrit...@gmail.com amrit...@gmail.com *À :* Kusala9 kusa...@googlemail.com kusa...@googlemail.com *Cc :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Lundi 4 mai 2015 8h41 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to identify the recent mappers? This page shows Newest Active OpenStreetMap Contributors for Nepal http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Nepal. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Kusala9 kusa...@googlemail.com mailto:kusa...@googlemail.com kusa...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm new to overpass but there s a nice python wrapper which will make user counts and geometry calculations easier. I can look at this tonight and will report back. Jon 58683-23001#47 On 4 May 2015, at 02:45, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com mailto:severin.men...@gmail.com severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Is there a overpass skilled person to write the script that can identify mappers with limited experience (recent mapper ID or number of contributions less than let us say 5,000) over Nepal, so that we can check their contributions and give advice about how to improve them. Another hero would be the person able to include a detection of non squared buildings within the Validator steps. Sincerely, Severin ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Best Regards Amrit Karmacharya Instructor, Survey Officer Land Management Training Center ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVR26KAAoJEMUCiYazPkhKZjcQAM7zlBJW6huq2ikO1iB55oIj VTqMd3HW2hdIGNQYywbbSqV31dXSDu1HCpPRZZMTfCDHwHjYeEm6ChMFVo3MEJ6C GCRHyr7XtzsDueCytQdXyWoSRVPNcigNQczMKfURYdPyiWzRdTqLHrasfMZdUPfW Ue8Gy1iITksRF17zh/URJydGjD+9fsWPiNBYyjvI2oTXXPEAPZH69G7wG7N8Me43 /cNuIMIv2m81MBhD5egGzIHw7buJ/aUbjl3LSDzX64GOuOp/NC5Xgotg1HL2PvmE FfNaZIhpiyLwk31odMOcwUglnLfHepIekNulc4qi7BpXx139pT0KrRsmXgpS+Y7Q 0LR3inEf0fHWS0PrrzVK9UxF03xcMNJLZDOMnpeoZ3PIXQ5HWSsF0H7N6nF6dXIk wHfo+cxm1ype6A08vHw+TVK/gSoR/0DlxgNTyQyq3ZQDaP2mUE9ZtPuHtz3Yq3n/ oIPRp3vlwYHpeskk54pE3jb1pJwVq75JC0Akt/Au7K0v3JAmmkW7QHpiU9NCJbkM cFm7PWISyuEK7RWYm+lEUU1aJInGeVsN94OtJPJ7XxTCBZE9glDsEEooFVYaNYov BpaIuHem2GZniin+Yg0Ow3ZVGj3kOYhJ1gGZSkwGHeN6P1JePD/ZwyO2scYZLvmQ kfytyRgvPtpKm1oEFb/5 =NLxE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list
Re: [HOT] Tracing tagged buildings
Thanks Travis, Some thoughts for our activation committee. regard Pierre De : Travis Driessen travis.dries...@pdx.edu À : Klaus Hartl k...@gmx.de Cc : hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 4 mai 2015 13h48 Objet : Re: [HOT] Tracing tagged buildings Hey Klaus, Robert, et al, My name is Travis Driessen and I am a Urban Planning master's student studying smart growth here in Portland, Oregon. Klaus, Robert Pierre, you have some great points. I want to weight in on the nodes vs. polygon in terms of housing/building mapping. I think Klaus has some great points and in terms of logistical operations, speed, and the optimal use of the data it would seem the following order would be the most useful for emergency responders (and later for long-term planning). I am very new to HOT so it is possible that some issues that are being raised by newbies may have been dealt with by the HOT community, but I think it is useful none the less to be considered. 1) Land Use Polygons: For emergency responders entering new areas, it would seem just first knowing the general area of the city/village in terms of Residential, Commercial, Industrial, Agricultural, (other categories) would be first priority. 2) Density: It seemed from the discussion that housing/building shapes where being used to determine density and areas where people live. This can be done with point density analysis. A centroid of polygon is taken anyway. All points can then be spatially joined to the land use polygons and you will have values for priority rescue ops. Similarly in transportation network analysis we just use land use parcels centroids which then get snapped to street intersections. 3) Speed: The amount of time making a point file compared to the amount of time to draw a polygon is minutes to seconds. Allowing the OSM community to dramatically map priority areas and help determine strategic locations for rescue ops based on the most people to be attended to in the hours and days following a disaster. 4) Aerial Imagery: The quality of aerial imagery did not allow for polygons to be correctly shaped. It would seem that, while people are making points from the existing data, drones could be sent out for reconnaissance of quality aerials to support future waves of improving the data. 5) Iterations: The data will never be perfect, but it can always be improved. Downloading a point file data set after there is better quality aerial data and then drawing polygons if need be. I guess I need to read more up on why polygons are eventually needed (do they help emergency responders figure out where to enter a building?), but from an urban planning perspective in terms of where roads need to be built, where water and sanitation infrastructure should be built, electricity, etc. this all can be done from simple point nodes. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Klaus Hartl k...@gmx.de wrote: Hello Robert, thank you for your response! Regarding your second remark, which is quite the unemotional and pragmatic evaluation of my notes that I was hoping to receive, I see that it makes sense to change my workflow. I won’t map any further buildings as nodes then. Since other mappers could face the very same decisions, please let me point out how I came to my odd decision to map buildings as nodes: Whether or not we call a mapper experienced, I don’t see experience as to know tagging rules by heart. Since these could change over the years, just like visualization rules do, it does matter how those rules are recapitulated in case of need. In my case, like I did, I read the schema specification for the key building[1], and nothing more since attributing a node is not denoted invalid there: Note about using this tag on nodes : although buildings are better represented with their footprints (a closed way or a multipolygon relation), OSM is working by iteration and some areas in the world don't have good aerial imagery or public datasets offering building footprints. Therefore, buildings on nodes should be tolerated until better sources are available. And that’s where I see the odd and thus a risk of this (anti)pattern to repeat. Maybe we could adjust or refine either the specs or our judgement on applying these specs in order to arrange this procedure more even. Is there any opinion on that? Cheers Klaus / k127 p.s.: I just took a look at the Building Tools Plugin for JOSM[2], which kind of supersedes my two-pass contribution approach by providing a neat two-and-a-half-click action for creating a perfect, orthogonal building shape. References:[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/BuildingsTools Am 04.05.2015 um 14:11 schrieb Robert Banick rban...@gmail.com: Hi Klaus, First of all, thanks for providing such a measured response to a not very measured message. I’m sorry you got such a rude message in the first place and
Re: [HOT] Bad image quality
Greg, Not sure if your question got overlooked. Can you clarify which project you're looking at? Nick (OSM=Tallguy) dodgy didgits as using a phone with a spell chequer. Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Member On 4 May 2015 10:02, Gregory Trolliet gregory.troll...@openmailbox.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hey guys, I'm kinda new here and I'm mostly marking houses and roads for now. I am editing with the iD editor. I tried to do the task #2058 but the image quality is realy poor. I've seen somebody put some houses (which is impossible with this image quality), how did he find this out? Is there an option to have a better image quality image? Thanks for the answers. Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJVRzVGAAoJEMD5khowGix7LfQP/3EJzmNI2RZ8d963JGFFlbeh y8hs362nXvNghvAtXNwVmCMHOgUE/JosbEFneTznhZHQDyb80xWhwXUsB8lcveAf MBeVmRWKbzgmRTH57UiQQQoQnSjpwDB4YQjfU5YqrH+UVSqHk19EvanD0Jyl1UcJ jSjPl/2ygbW9yEUtCM1WY+TsRBbMcnbNu2Dqtby5e8VfKqXSUl84wJTDT2LpIlEG bg4qxHNLp+dM5QDlwbqcp9mKVn2gjxRY1kvq/U/p+3i55KPzVjG3LID7t5hnJx5w a0l4r+GjQqphP1XmMNMMyh1ShmyTHFEVXLnKuRWx4gmykhJCrRN/QGwbGiaLuWRg p2SN+iHFvH009vHwO+pvzobicMkdkl6aOGWRw8wgugoObRMs1bs4FLm7nTZCJQHv AQuh3JhZldb10PRYuZy50gbkLgvjcpfy8GjI+coBfhYPJGIR4PpFdXXwUqHJf9SH EpnSYMepFBJs7pti++Ez3WAJ/ZWLu7q0IE61Tx2NDl/pj1rcDKH8WJOhVwA7shov uPPqaL5iYmtDkwwIlstLsjL8DhTGTT5ac9Dcdw+Gl1VgRAmYb2KXSxcS75ksNeqd AlarL0HJzlP1cK3nqBKmPHyw/B+1Xpm2yvPS5/3A8Q27HEouc/7Als/y377m16QV 0BciYKYTxcyQ84rNv/ji =OUdN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Tracing tagged buildings
Thanks, Pierre. It's great work everyone is doing. I would also just point out that not only do we want 1 point for a building, in the case of multi-family dwellings, we need 1 point for each address/residence. In density analysis those (address) points are stacked right on top of each other but the aggregate value is there. Just having a polygon of an apartment building in Katmandu and then taking a centroid of that polygon underepresents those dwellings people who live there and the priority level that they should receive. I am starting to look through the wiki page and the HOT website and everyones conversations on this listserve, and so I a apologize if this issue is already dealt with. I know there is an issue with not having addresses and therefore not knowing how many people live in a multi-family building. This makes the problem more challenging, nonetheless its something to be worked on. Kind regards, travis On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Thanks Travis, Some thoughts for our activation committee. regard Pierre -- *De :* Travis Driessen travis.dries...@pdx.edu *À :* Klaus Hartl k...@gmx.de *Cc :* hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Lundi 4 mai 2015 13h48 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Tracing tagged buildings Hey Klaus, Robert, et al, My name is Travis Driessen and I am a Urban Planning master's student studying smart growth here in Portland, Oregon. Klaus, Robert Pierre, you have some great points. I want to weight in on the nodes vs. polygon in terms of housing/building mapping. I think Klaus has some great points and in terms of logistical operations, speed, and the optimal use of the data it would seem the following order would be the most useful for emergency responders (and later for long-term planning). I am very new to HOT so it is possible that some issues that are being raised by newbies may have been dealt with by the HOT community, but I think it is useful none the less to be considered. 1) Land Use Polygons: For emergency responders entering new areas, it would seem just first knowing the general area of the city/village in terms of Residential, Commercial, Industrial, Agricultural, (other categories) would be first priority. 2) Density: It seemed from the discussion that housing/building shapes where being used to determine density and areas where people live. This can be done with point density analysis. A centroid of polygon is taken anyway. All points can then be spatially joined to the land use polygons and you will have values for priority rescue ops. Similarly in transportation network analysis we just use land use parcels centroids which then get snapped to street intersections. 3) Speed: The amount of time making a point file compared to the amount of time to draw a polygon is minutes to seconds. Allowing the OSM community to dramatically map priority areas and help determine strategic locations for rescue ops based on the most people to be attended to in the hours and days following a disaster. 4) Aerial Imagery: The quality of aerial imagery did not allow for polygons to be correctly shaped. It would seem that, while people are making points from the existing data, drones could be sent out for reconnaissance of quality aerials to support future waves of improving the data. 5) Iterations: The data will never be perfect, but it can always be improved. Downloading a point file data set after there is better quality aerial data and then drawing polygons if need be. I guess I need to read more up on why polygons are eventually needed (do they help emergency responders figure out where to enter a building?), but from an urban planning perspective in terms of where roads need to be built, where water and sanitation infrastructure should be built, electricity, etc. this all can be done from simple point nodes. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Klaus Hartl k...@gmx.de wrote: Hello Robert, thank you for your response! Regarding your second remark, which is quite the unemotional and pragmatic evaluation of my notes that I was hoping to receive, I see that it makes sense to change my workflow. I won’t map any further buildings as nodes then. Since other mappers could face the very same decisions, please let me point out how I came to my odd decision to map buildings as nodes: Whether or not we call a mapper experienced, I don’t see experience as to know tagging rules by heart. Since these could change over the years, just like visualization rules do, it does matter how those rules are recapitulated in case of need. In my case, like I did, I read the *schema specification for the key building*[1], and nothing more since attributing *a node is not denoted invalid* there*:* *Note about using this tag on nodes : although buildings are better represented with their footprints (a closed way or a multipolygon relation), OSM is
[HOT] What tags are currently used in HOT? (Was: NEPAL/Taginfo instance)
Hi Stefan, I posted yesterday but I forgot to CC you and edit the subject line. Since OSM doesn't have very rigid rules of what tags to use, some geographic areas and communities of interest (like HOT) may use a tag slightly different than in other areas or not use a tag at all. The HOT (HDM) Tagging Preset - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/HDM_preset was developed for HOT contexts but unique situations of what to tag arise, often very quickly after a disaster or event that HOT responds to (known as an activation), and a new tag is quickly decided on. Thus, particular objects, like an IDP camp, haven't been added to the preset or to the map renderings that you've mentioned. That discussion will need to happen here and in the working groups. Secondly, a geographic area usually has its own page on the OSM wiki how to tag commonly found features and any tagging nuances. Nepal's is at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide#Tagging ^^ I encourage a lot of new mappers to read this and encourage comments and feedback. Note if you want to edit the wiki, you have to make an account separate from your OpenStreetMap.org account. Lastly, and most importantly to determine what tags to use are in the task's Instructions. So if you read of any conflicting information between what's in the HOT preset, wiki, and what's mentioned in the Task Manager, err on the side of the task manager. You aren't required to use the preset for HOT mapping, but if you're interested, it's only available for JOSM. Installation instructions are at http://learnosm.org/en/editing/josm-presets/ and select the HDM/HOT preset. I hope it makes mapping easier for you. Secondly, as a relatively experienced HOT contributor and mapper, I thank the new OpenStreetMap users. This response is not like anything before and as you have seen, your contributions have been truly helpful and made a difference. Hope to you see your participation in the future. Regards, Will (skorasaurus) -- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 20:58:46 +0200 From: Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com To: hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [HOT] What tags are currently used in HOT? (Was: NEPAL/Taginfo instance) Message-ID: CAFcOn29WTjERFa9XgG= 7ocqktzbe+xfgxwvmk5embuika9i...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'd like to setup a data extract and a humanitarian style. I know the JOSM HOT Presets,the Humanitarian style of osm.org and http://tiles.openterrain.org/?humaniterrain from Stamen. But none of them contain or show e.g. keys idp:camp_site or building:structure. And the wiki page http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags doesn't mention them neither. Each HOT task seems to suggest different tags with mostly only building=yes and highway=residential in common(?). Can someone enlighten me about the common used HOT tags and where they are documented? -S. — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Priority areas for TM task 1018 - Nepal Earthquake
Hello everyone, There are two districts that have been not mapped as much as others but also have been equally hit by the earthquake. Much of the area is covered in the 1018 Task (http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1018) but the task 1018 is a large one. I have marked these as priority areas and would really appreciate if you guys could help with this. Regards Nirab ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
