Re: [HOT] Ecuador - More Projects?

[Jean-Guilhem Cailton]

Hi,

OSM France server has no capacity issue to host and serve more images.
And there is a license agreement* defined and signed that allows imagery
distributed by AirbusDS to be hosted by OSM France for mappers to
produce derivative works for OSM database, and for no other use (in short).

There are also processes for treatment ready, whose quality of produced
images was of interest even to professionals in the field.

Please make the best choices so that these images can be used at best to
support those who help the affected people in Ecuador.

Best wishes,

Jean-Guilhem


*:
http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/airbus-ds/Web%20Licence%20for%20Non-Commercial%20Use%20with%20OSM.pdf


Le 24/04/2016 01:27, Dale Kunce a écrit :
>
> Thanks humberto. I'll do my best to push any imagery to oam first if
> allowed. Oam should be the repository and service we all use if the
> license allows.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016, 6:27 PM hyan...@gmail.com
>   > wrote:
>
> Cool Dale! Umap or similar will help.
>
> A little update: the imagery servers are in Ecuador, yesterday
> they have a peak ~200 concurrent mappers, this drive to a server
> upgrade.  Despite level of mappers is lower today, this can may
> vary, so thank you very much for this new avaible resource as back up.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Humberto
>
> 2016-04-23 16:58 GMT-05:00 Dale Kunce  >:
>
> I'll work on a footprint tonight and if needed can gladly host
> the imagery from Red Cross resources so that the OSM france
> servers will stay up for the existing imagery.
>
> On Apr 23, 2016 3:26 PM, "Mike Thompson"  > wrote:
>
> Jean-Guilhem,
>
> Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense that with 177
> mappers the imagery would be slow.
>
> Mike
>
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 3:23 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton
> > wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Thank you for organizing a mapathon.
>
> The images were originally from WMS servers at
> Instituto Geográfico Militar (IGM) or Sistema Nacional
> de Información y Gestión de Tierras Rurales (SigTierras).
>
> TMS layers were setup as proxy cache on OSM France
> server, and, even with that, a WMS server became
> overloaded at the beginning of work on a new area, and
> became slow to answer, before the tile cache could
> fill and then provide the tiles to subsequent requests
> without having to get them from the WMS server.
>
> At some point yesterday, there were more than 177
> mappers active at the same time on a TM project, with
> hundreds of tiles being requested and served each second.
>
> What you described about the maximum zoom level sounds
> like an issue that was reported, depending the maximum
> zoom level available from a WMS on a given image. For
> that image, setting the max zoom level at 18
> ("tms[18]:" at the beginning of JOSM URL) solved the
> problem.
>
> In general, what can be useful to solve such issues is
> to send a screen capture and the coordinates where it
> is captured to the person who created the project (and
> also to me if the imagery is hosted on
> openstreetmap.fr  server).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jean-Guilhem
>
>
>
> Le 22/04/2016 15:13, Mike Thompson a écrit :
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Suzan Reed
>> > wrote:
>>
>> The image is very good and it does load slowly,
>> but I appreciate having that kind of clarity.
>>
>> This was not our experience. Below a certain zoom
>> level it would load at all.  
>>
>>
>>
>> drawing Residential Areas around groups of
>> buildings inside of the city,
>>
>> In the past the way I have seen it done is each
>> neighborhood / subdivision gets its own landuse =
>> residential closed way.  Granted that without local
>> knowledge, it is difficult to tell.  In any event, I
>> agree that more explicit instructions are needed.
>>
>>
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Re: [HOT] Ecuador - More Projects?

[Mike Thompson]

Mhairi,

Sure thing!  Will do so this morning.  It was a last minute switch from
another project to Ecuador, otherwise I would have added it before the
event.

Mike

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:02 AM, Mhairi O'Hara 
wrote:

> Hey Mike,
>
> Could you please add details of the mapathon to the wiki page [1].
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mhairi
>
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2016_Ecuador_earthquake#Mapathons
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 5:00 AM, Mike Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> Tyler,
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Is anyone else having a problem with custom imagery drawing very slowly
>> in iD?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Tyler Radford 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mike
>>>
>>> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1836
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 21, 2016, Mike Thompson  wrote:
>>>
 We are planning a mapathon in Colorado US tonight.  Are there likely to
 be more Ecuador projects suitable for newer mappers? I am attempting to
 revise our instruction guide now.

 Thanks,

 Mike

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Re: [HOT] Ecuador - More Projects?

[Mike Thompson]

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Suzan Reed  wrote:

> The image is very good and it does load slowly, but I appreciate having
> that kind of clarity.
>
This was not our experience. Below a certain zoom level it would load at
all.

>
>
> drawing Residential Areas around groups of buildings inside of the city,

In the past the way I have seen it done is each neighborhood / subdivision
gets its own landuse = residential closed way.  Granted that without local
knowledge, it is difficult to tell.  In any event, I agree that more
explicit instructions are needed.

>
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Re: [HOT] Ecuador - More Projects?

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi Suzan,

We created some "model instructions" the idea being they would be a
good super set and people could copy/paste them and delete or change
what applied to their project. If you view the source on the below
wikipage, it is already in Tasking Manager mark up format, so easy
cut/paste.

They might be a good starting place and if they got translated to
spanish we can save that for next time too.

That was always the goal, get a good model set of text and then
translate it so new projects would have an option to come with model
instructions in all the languages when a new project was created. Just
delete what doesn't apply, and customize as needed.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/Tasking_Manager_Default_Roads,_Buildings,_Waterways_Instructions

Cheers
blake

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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Suzan Reed  wrote:
> The image is very good and it does load slowly, but I appreciate having that 
> kind of clarity.
>
> Just invalidated a number of tasks in the new projects. It might help if the 
> instructions were written more clearly? People are joining buildings, drawing 
> Residential Areas around groups of buildings inside of the city, and I can 
> understand how they misread the instructions because of the way they are 
> written. So we don’t have a lot of wasted time and energy, maybe someone 
> could rewrite them so they are much more clear?
>
> Here are a few of the things I’ve commented on in both English and Spanish:
>
> Buildings must be individually mapped and can not touch.
> If a building touches another building there’s a gray node that must be 
> detached.
> All buildings are buildings, not houses, industrial buildings, or casas.
> A city is a Residential Area. Don’t draw a Residential Area around a group of 
> buildings in the city. Each building needs to be traced.
> Be sure to square all buildings.
> Zoom in to 40% to map buildings accurately.
> Although the buildings are dense, they should each have four walls. They 
> can’t touch.
>
> All this could be written much better, but that gives an overview of what I”m 
> seeing. Hopefully better instructions and good comments can get these things 
> corrected and we won’t be wasting time ad man-hours.
>
> Onward!
> Suzan
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Mhairi O'Hara  wrote:
>
> Hey Mike,
>
> Could you please add details of the mapathon to the wiki page [1].
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mhairi
>
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2016_Ecuador_earthquake#Mapathons
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 5:00 AM, Mike Thompson  wrote:
> Tyler,
>
> Thanks!
>
> Is anyone else having a problem with custom imagery drawing very slowly in iD?
>
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Tyler Radford  
> wrote:
> Hi Mike
>
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1836
>
>
> On Thursday, April 21, 2016, Mike Thompson  wrote:
> We are planning a mapathon in Colorado US tonight.  Are there likely to be 
> more Ecuador projects suitable for newer mappers? I am attempting to revise 
> our instruction guide now.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
>
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Re: [HOT] Ecuador - More Projects?

[Suzan Reed]

The image is very good and it does load slowly, but I appreciate having that 
kind of clarity. 

Just invalidated a number of tasks in the new projects. It might help if the 
instructions were written more clearly? People are joining buildings, drawing 
Residential Areas around groups of buildings inside of the city, and I can 
understand how they misread the instructions because of the way they are 
written. So we don’t have a lot of wasted time and energy, maybe someone could 
rewrite them so they are much more clear? 

Here are a few of the things I’ve commented on in both English and Spanish: 

Buildings must be individually mapped and can not touch. 
If a building touches another building there’s a gray node that must be 
detached. 
All buildings are buildings, not houses, industrial buildings, or casas. 
A city is a Residential Area. Don’t draw a Residential Area around a group of 
buildings in the city. Each building needs to be traced. 
Be sure to square all buildings. 
Zoom in to 40% to map buildings accurately. 
Although the buildings are dense, they should each have four walls. They can’t 
touch. 

All this could be written much better, but that gives an overview of what I”m 
seeing. Hopefully better instructions and good comments can get these things 
corrected and we won’t be wasting time ad man-hours. 

Onward! 
Suzan 


On Apr 21, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Mhairi O'Hara  wrote:

Hey Mike,

Could you please add details of the mapathon to the wiki page [1].

Cheers,

Mhairi 

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2016_Ecuador_earthquake#Mapathons

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 5:00 AM, Mike Thompson  wrote:
Tyler,

Thanks!

Is anyone else having a problem with custom imagery drawing very slowly in iD?

Mike

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Tyler Radford  wrote:
Hi Mike

http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1836


On Thursday, April 21, 2016, Mike Thompson  wrote:
We are planning a mapathon in Colorado US tonight.  Are there likely to be more 
Ecuador projects suitable for newer mappers? I am attempting to revise our 
instruction guide now.

Thanks,

Mike


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Re: [HOT] Ecuador - More Projects?

[Mhairi O'Hara]

Hey Mike,

Could you please add details of the mapathon to the wiki page [1].

Cheers,

Mhairi

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2016_Ecuador_earthquake#Mapathons

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 5:00 AM, Mike Thompson  wrote:

> Tyler,
>
> Thanks!
>
> Is anyone else having a problem with custom imagery drawing very slowly in
> iD?
>
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Tyler Radford 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike
>>
>> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1836
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 21, 2016, Mike Thompson  wrote:
>>
>>> We are planning a mapathon in Colorado US tonight.  Are there likely to
>>> be more Ecuador projects suitable for newer mappers? I am attempting to
>>> revise our instruction guide now.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Executive Director
>> tyler.radf...@hotosm.org
>> @TylerSRadford
>>
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Re: [HOT] Ecuador - More Projects?

[Mike Thompson]

Tyler,

Thanks!

Is anyone else having a problem with custom imagery drawing very slowly in
iD?

Mike

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Tyler Radford 
wrote:

> Hi Mike
>
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1836
>
>
> On Thursday, April 21, 2016, Mike Thompson  wrote:
>
>> We are planning a mapathon in Colorado US tonight.  Are there likely to
>> be more Ecuador projects suitable for newer mappers? I am attempting to
>> revise our instruction guide now.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
>
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> Executive Director
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> @TylerSRadford
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Re: [HOT] Ecuador - More Projects?

[Mike Thompson]

Humberto,

Thanks!

The custom imagery is loading slow in iD, but seems to be ok in JOSM...
might just be my system.

Mike

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:41 PM, hyan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hello Mike,
>
> yes: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1836 and
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1833
>
> Thanks for your contributions!
>
> Humberto Yances
>
> 2016-04-21 14:17 GMT-05:00 Mike Thompson :
>
>> We are planning a mapathon in Colorado US tonight.  Are there likely to
>> be more Ecuador projects suitable for newer mappers? I am attempting to
>> revise our instruction guide now.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike
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Re: [HOT] Ecuador - More Projects?

[Tyler Radford]

Hi Mike

http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1836

On Thursday, April 21, 2016, Mike Thompson  wrote:

> We are planning a mapathon in Colorado US tonight.  Are there likely to be
> more Ecuador projects suitable for newer mappers? I am attempting to revise
> our instruction guide now.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>


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Re: [HOT] Ecuador - More Projects?

[hyan...@gmail.com]

Hello Mike,

yes: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1836 and
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1833

Thanks for your contributions!

Humberto Yances

2016-04-21 14:17 GMT-05:00 Mike Thompson :

> We are planning a mapathon in Colorado US tonight.  Are there likely to be
> more Ecuador projects suitable for newer mappers? I am attempting to revise
> our instruction guide now.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
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[HOT] Ecuador - More Projects?

[Mike Thompson]

We are planning a mapathon in Colorado US tonight.  Are there likely to be
more Ecuador projects suitable for newer mappers? I am attempting to revise
our instruction guide now.

Thanks,

Mike
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