[HOT] New tag - Mapping Refugee Sites

[Manon Viou]

 
 
  
   
Hello everyone,
   
   

   
   
The OSM tag proposal Amenity=refugee_site has been validated with 31 votes for and 2 votes against.
   
   
(
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Refugee_Site_Location_2)
   
   

   
   
I would like to thank you for your participation and the shared advices to find the most suitable solution.
   
   

   
   
We will create the wiki page for this new tag very soon.
   
   

   
   
We also plan to update and complete the more general wiki page presenting refugee camp mapping on OSM (
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Refugee_Camp_Mapping). If you are interested in this project, let me know!
   
   

   
   
Best regards,
   
   

   
   
Manon
   
   
 


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Re: [HOT] New tag - Mapping Refugee Sites

[Manon Viou]

 
 
  
   Hello Michael, 
  
  
   thank you for your comment, 
  
  
   about your first point, we have already done a large review of UNHCR refugee sites on OSM, and that's precisely why decided to propose a new tag for large refugee site. 
   If the tag is validated, we will suggest to have a global manual review of the refugee sites already mapped on OSM to adapt the tagging accordingly. 
  
  
   For your second point, I invite you to read the discussion page of the propose tag (
   https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Refugee_Site_Location_2), this has been widely discussed. but if I just take one argument, I will say that this alternative proposition is based on what has been proposed and validated for mapping university campuses, which, although their functions are not at all the same, can be similar in size, the diversity of the facilities that these places accommodate etc. 
  
  
   Regards, 
  
  
   Manon
  
  
   Le 16 avril 2020 à 10:48, Michael Montani  a écrit : 
   
   
   
Dear Manon and HOT community, 

I have mainly 2 points about this new tagging proposal: 



 It seems resonable to me to use the 'old' tag ( amenity=social_facility + social_facility=shelter + social_facility:for=* ) for small refugee sites or even single facilities. But, according to my experience mapping in Africa, up to now this tag schema had been used also for big refugee sites, which is actually the new tag you are proposing. Many of those refugee sites (already on OSM) are coming from UN-related activities as well (and not only), conducted in the past. Maybe it can be interesting to explore the situation on the map further by checking those sites first.(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:social_facility%3Dshelter)
  
   

 
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 Motivated also from the first point, could you elaborate why are you proposing an amenity=refugee_site and not a social_facility=refugee_site? This could help not to have a totally different situation wrt the previous tagging schema. I don't know if this option had already been discussed. In (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dsocial_facility) also outdoor area is considered part of the facility.

   
   

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Da: Manon Viou Inviato: martedì 14 aprile 2020 18:57A: hot@openstreetmap.org Oggetto: Re: [HOT] New tag - Mapping Refugee Sites

 

   
   

 
  Hello,
 
 
  Actually RFC for 
   refugee site location mapping started March 25,
 
 
  Since this day, we received and exchanges on the proposal and made changes to the former proposal, that’s what RFC is all about no?  ,
 
 
  I do not know if according to this changes, we have to restart the RFC period?
 
 
  We will restart RFC period if needed, let me know !
 
 
  We haven’t received much comments on the latest proposal modifications, please let us know if this works for you or if amendments have to be done. Comments from HOT contributors, with experience mapping refugee sites are very appreciated! 
 
 
  Have a great day,
 
 
  Manon
 

   
   
 
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Re: [HOT] New tag - Mapping Refugee Sites

[Manon Viou]

 
 
  
   
Hello,
   
   
Actually RFC for 
refugee site location mapping started March 25,
   
   
Since this day, we received and exchanges on the proposal and made changes to the former proposal, that’s what RFC is all about no?  ,
   
   
I do not know if according to this changes, we have to restart the RFC period?
   
   
We will restart RFC period if needed, let me know !
   
   
We haven’t received much comments on the latest proposal modifications, please let us know if this works for you or if amendments have to be done. Comments from HOT contributors, with experience mapping refugee sites are very appreciated! 
   
   
Have a great day,
   
   
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Re: [HOT] New tag - Mapping Refugee Sites

[Manon Viou]

 
 
  
   
Hello,
   
   
Actually RFC for refugee site location mapping started March 25,
   
   
Since this day, we received and exchanges on the proposal and made changes to the former proposal, that’s what RFC is all about no?  ,
   
   
I do not know if according to this changes, we have to restart the RFC period?
   
   
We will restart RFC period if needed, let me know !
   
   
We haven’t received much comments on the latest proposal modifications, please let us know if this works for you or if amendments have to be done. Comments from HOT contributors, with experience mapping refugee sites are very appreciated!
   
   
Have a great day,
   
   
Manon
   
   

   
   
 


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Re: [HOT] New tag - Mapping Refugee Sites

[Warin]

The minimum an RFC is required to be open is 2 weeks.

Same with voting.

On 11/4/20 1:57 am, Manon Viou wrote:

Hello all,
We have modified the proposed features/Refugee Site Location 2 
 according 
to discussions regarding how to best tag places sheltering refugee 
and/or internally displace persons. Thank you to the contributors who 
help finding a solution to have a consistent tagging in place for 
refugee location.

We are now suggesting to use the tag *amenity=refugee_site *
The tag can be used alternatively on nodes or on areas:

  * If the extent of the site is difficult to identify (proximity to
other villages, suburban area, etc.) it is recommended to use a node.
  * If the extent of the site can be clearly identified from the
imagery or field data collection, it is recommended to use an
area. Please note this extent does not have to match the official
boundary of a camp (which doesn’t necessarily coincide to its
physical limitations), as defined by government and specialized
agencies, for which a dedicated tag can be used.

Both approaches can be completed by mapping the landuse=residential of 
the area and if appropriate a tag place (place=neighbourhood, 
place=suburb, place=village) can be added in the area of the refugee 
site.
Please have a look at this new proposal and share your comments 
quickly if you have any. *We will close RFC period soon*.

Best regards,
Manon

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[HOT] New tag - Mapping Refugee Sites

[Manon Viou]

 
 
  
   
Hello all,
   
   
We have modified the 
proposed features/Refugee Site Location 2 according to discussions regarding how to best tag places sheltering refugee and/or internally displace persons. Thank you to the contributors who help finding a solution to have a consistent tagging in place for refugee location. 
We are now suggesting to use the tag 
amenity=refugee_site 
   
   
The tag can be used alternatively on nodes or on areas:
   
   
If the extent of the site is difficult to identify (proximity to other villages, suburban area, etc.) it is recommended to use a node.
If the extent of the site can be clearly identified from the imagery or field data collection, it is recommended to use an area. Please note this extent does not have to match the official boundary of a camp (which doesn’t necessarily coincide to its physical limitations), as defined by government and specialized agencies, for which a dedicated tag can be used.
   
   
Both approaches can be completed by mapping the landuse=residential of the area and if appropriate a tag place (place=neighbourhood, place=suburb, place=village) can be added in the area of the refugee site. 
   
   
Please have a look at this new proposal and share your comments quickly if you have any. 
We will close RFC period soon.
   
   
Best regards,
   
   
Manon
   
   
 


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[HOT] New tag - Mapping Refugee Sites

[Manon Viou]

 
 
  
   
Dear All,
   
   
Discussions continue regarding how to best tag places sheltering refugees and/or internally displaced persons.
   
   
Before jumping into the discussion regarding the pros and cons of the alternative solutions debated so far, I want to recap our objectives. 
   
   

   
   
Objectives :
   
   

   
   
 - develop a general set of tags  which satisfy all the tagging requirements of the many colors and flavors of refugee sites which exist in the world. 
   
   
 - develop tags which allow one to describe the features of the refugee site element, such as the "operator" (eg.UNHCR) , the type of population (refugee_only/internally_displaced), if the site is formal or informal, the refugee population, etc ..
   
   
 - develop tags which allow easy refugee site data extraction from the OpenStreetMap database using Overpass by anyone who wants to display refugee sites on a map. 
   
   

   
   
We welcome all constructive suggestions which help meet these goals.  If anyone has any suggestions for improvements of the objectives, we welcome those too. 
   
   

   
   

   
   
State of current discussions:
   
   

   
   
In our second feature proposal we first tried to better defend the use of the key:place, but it seems that a majority of people are opposed to the use of it.
   
   

   
   
We have recently received two suggestions which we have combined below in a manner which we believe could meet the stated objectives : 
   
   

   
   
Key refugee_site for large facilities 
   
   

   
   
The key refugee_site=yes is added to a place tag.
   
   
place=neighbourhood/suburb/village/town
+ landuse=residential
+ refugee_site=yes.
   
   
The tag refugee_site=yes will allows to easily add secondary optional information to be able to details the typology of the camps and other valuable information like:
   
   
+ refugee_site:for = "">
+ refugee_site:operator = UNHCR/Red Cross/etc. 
+ refugee_site:duration = permanent/temporary 
+ refugee_site:population = 500,000
+ refugee_site:structure=shelters/tents/multifunctional/mixed
+ refugee_site:status=formal/informal
   
   

   
   
Key Amenity=social_facility for small facilities  [a majority agreed that social_facility is not appropriate for large site]
 
   
   
For small facilities (less than 5 buildings) also sheltering refugee (for instance: refugee centers, accommodation center, care and hosting center), that are not exactly what we can call refugee site, use the existing tag:
   
   
Amenity=social_facility
+ social_facility=shelter
+ social_facility:for= "">
   
   
Thank you for your consideration, 
   
   

   
  
  
   
   Manon Viou
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[HOT] New tag - Mapping Refugee Sites

[Manon Viou]

 
 
  
   

 Hello,


 


 We are trying to get a new OSM tag validated to map places sheltering refugees and/or internally displaced persons fleeing the effects of a natural disaster or a political crisis for example


 


 The proposed feature place=refugee_site has already been debated and voted on from 30-01-2020 to 17-03-2020. It was then rejected by a narrow margin on the final day of voting.  


 


 We have since tried to answer to the concerns and comments received, and to adapt and simplify the proposed tag to map refugee site location.  


 


 We would like to discuss this tag with all interested people again during the Request For Comment phase, open until Friday, April 3rd. Thank you ! 


 


 Please visit the new feature proposal wiki page here : 
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Refugee_Site_Location_2


 


 Regards,


 


 Manon from CartONG

   
   

   
   

   
  
  
   
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[HOT] New to mapping

[Francesca Pozzi]

Hello everybody,

I am new to the HOT mapping and in the past couple of days I made a couple of 
contributions.
One was for the  MSF task, I had a couple of doubts, but when I saw the 
validation I figured out how to proceed.
Thanks to whoever did the validation, so I could learn hot to properly map 
areas (walls with buildings inside).

The other is  for the Fotokol/Gambaru area, I saw there was an invalidated 
tile, and I tried to fix the buildings, added some more and the walls. 
I am referring to http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/884#task/142

I would appreciate any feedback on that - I left a couple of areas unclassified 
as I was not sure what they were.
Sorry if I made mistakes, hope I won’t cause the validators to work more!

Thanks again,

Francesca





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Re: [HOT] New to mapping

[Rafael Avila Coya]

Hi, Francesca:

Your concerns are very typical when beginning contributing to HOT.

As for the Gambaru/Fotokol job, buildings in towns of that area (and
most of the Sahel) are quite difficult to trace, as they are built very
packed.

I did a quick hackpad with some screenshots that may help you in
determining where a building finishes and starts the next:
https://hackpad.com/Drawing-buildings-in-Sahel-like-areas-lboaFxkUOHe

Cheers, and have a nice weekend,

Rafael.

On 12/02/16 15:31, Francesca Pozzi wrote:
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I am new to the HOT mapping and in the past couple of days I made a couple of 
> contributions.
> One was for the  MSF task, I had a couple of doubts, but when I saw the 
> validation I figured out how to proceed.
> Thanks to whoever did the validation, so I could learn hot to properly map 
> areas (walls with buildings inside).
> 
> The other is  for the Fotokol/Gambaru area, I saw there was an invalidated 
> tile, and I tried to fix the buildings, added some more and the walls. 
> I am referring to http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/884#task/142
> 
> I would appreciate any feedback on that - I left a couple of areas 
> unclassified as I was not sure what they were.
> Sorry if I made mistakes, hope I won’t cause the validators to work more!
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Francesca
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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