Re: [HOT] SPAM? MALWARE? Fwd: Survey Goethe-University Frankfurt a. M. Department of Human Geography
John -- This could be excellent feedback for their survey design. Especially important are the questions that do not have a way to enter the real answer or that suggest a category of answer, e.g. where do you map?, where my answer is similar to yours -- wherever the requests come in from -or- what event is in the news (and I go looking for a corresponding HOT task). I was also thinking, as you did, that it would be an advantage to them to try out mapping first -- get on the mailing list, see how tasks are announced and pitched, talk to people...and *then* compose the survey questions. It is probably not too late now to improve the questions, since they are just starting. -- Pat One of the problems with surveys is selection criteria of the sample and having picked your sample the response rate. Working for a few years at Statistics Canada you get indoctrinated with this stuff. I think it was something they slipped into the coffee. Looking at the questions they are coming from a particular angle and it shows. One question is what do you map. The answer is basically whatever is requested in the HOT project. One question they didn't ask is why do you choose to map a particular project? They seem to be hung up on which part of the world you are mapping which to be honest I've not much idea. I even looked at the list of HOT projects I'd mapped and tried to correlate them to the names in the survey. I don't think I got a good match. Some projects where probably in areas that they were after but I didn't recognise them as such. There is such a thing as respondent burden and asking people to say if they have mapped in an area without giving the project numbers is asking for trouble. If I look at my HOT mapping there are basically two types, one I dig into a project and do 50-250 tiles and others where I might do one or two tiles. Do they give equal weight to an area that I've mapped 250 tiles in to one I've mapped one tile in? I just either respond to an urgent priority request, or curiosity, or I have a small collection of projects that I'm slowly mapping in slow time that have good imagery to map from and project instructions that I think I can manage. I'm still hopeless at deciding what purpose a building is from a satellite image unless the natives have been out with a paint brush on the roof and painted what it is before the satellite flies by. The other thing that might be interesting to know is which projects have people on the ground to do a better job of tagging. Street names aren't visible from on high but that's another survey. I wonder how much information they could have got straight from HOT without asking the questions? HOT gives you the list of projects and the number of tiles which roughly corresponds to how much mapping you do. The OSM profile gives more information. You might not get all the information requested but the response rate would be much better which means the quality of the data would be higher. It's not a bad survey but I get the impression that if they had done some HOT mapping first they might have a better understanding of how the system works and they would have got more meaningful data. For example we know that in some areas there is an educated population that we can tap into. Bangladesh, the Philippines etc. and often the local mappers are heavily involved in the HOT mapping in some case providing as much as 75% of the mapping. In other areas such as Africa there is less Internet availability, computer knowledge and fewer people who are familiar with computers and JOSM so in those cases we can expect that most mapping will be done remotely with local tagging hopefully later on. Cheerio John On 12 April 2015 at 17:19, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: John, I'm sure the universsity of legit. I'm just not sure about these guys. I'd feel better if they had a university URL. In fact, I think that's basic, if the survey is what they claim. Charlotte At 11:58 AM 4/12/2015, you wrote: I opened the link and did the survey. Looks legitimate. I have various bits of software that check for things. It would probably be more secure if it didn't ask for javascript to be enabled, and I'd be happier with a https connection. Cheerio John On 12 April 2015 at 14:27, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: Dear folks,         I just received this. Because there was no advance notice of any kind,         I'm inclined to think that it is malware. I certainly do not intend to open         the link to their survey.         Does anyone know if this is legit? Charlotte Delivered-To: techl...@techlady.com Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:49:49 +0200 From: Simon Köbel s7976...@stud.uni-frankfurt.de To: pierz...@yahoo.fr, mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org, danspe...@gmail.com,  severin.men...@gmail.com, jwhelan0...@gmail.com,
Re: [HOT] SPAM? MALWARE? Fwd: Survey Goethe-University Frankfurt a. M. Department of Human Geography
On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: Simon Köbel, Dominik Wehner, Lucas Wenzel, Fabian Will This looks pretty legit. Having lived in Frankfurt and been to the uni-frankfurt many times, I would say it sounds serious. http://www.uni-frankfurt.de/41077091/fb11 is the study group mentioned. -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://www.flossk.org Saving Wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] SPAM? MALWARE? Fwd: Survey Goethe-University Frankfurt a. M. Department of Human Geography
Perhaps we should set that as a protocol for a survey requirement, an HTTPS address that is recognisable as a university url? One of the problems with surveys is selection criteria of the sample and having picked your sample the response rate. Working for a few years at Statistics Canada you get indoctrinated with this stuff. I think it was something they slipped into the coffee. Looking at the questions they are coming from a particular angle and it shows. One question is what do you map. The answer is basically whatever is requested in the HOT project. One question they didn't ask is why do you choose to map a particular project? They seem to be hung up on which part of the world you are mapping which to be honest I've not much idea. I even looked at the list of HOT projects I'd mapped and tried to correlate them to the names in the survey. I don't think I got a good match. Some projects where probably in areas that they were after but I didn't recognise them as such. There is such a thing as respondent burden and asking people to say if they have mapped in an area without giving the project numbers is asking for trouble. If I look at my HOT mapping there are basically two types, one I dig into a project and do 50-250 tiles and others where I might do one or two tiles. Do they give equal weight to an area that I've mapped 250 tiles in to one I've mapped one tile in? I just either respond to an urgent priority request, or curiosity, or I have a small collection of projects that I'm slowly mapping in slow time that have good imagery to map from and project instructions that I think I can manage. I'm still hopeless at deciding what purpose a building is from a satellite image unless the natives have been out with a paint brush on the roof and painted what it is before the satellite flies by. The other thing that might be interesting to know is which projects have people on the ground to do a better job of tagging. Street names aren't visible from on high but that's another survey. I wonder how much information they could have got straight from HOT without asking the questions? HOT gives you the list of projects and the number of tiles which roughly corresponds to how much mapping you do. The OSM profile gives more information. You might not get all the information requested but the response rate would be much better which means the quality of the data would be higher. It's not a bad survey but I get the impression that if they had done some HOT mapping first they might have a better understanding of how the system works and they would have got more meaningful data. For example we know that in some areas there is an educated population that we can tap into. Bangladesh, the Philippines etc. and often the local mappers are heavily involved in the HOT mapping in some case providing as much as 75% of the mapping. In other areas such as Africa there is less Internet availability, computer knowledge and fewer people who are familiar with computers and JOSM so in those cases we can expect that most mapping will be done remotely with local tagging hopefully later on. Cheerio John On 12 April 2015 at 17:19, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: John, I'm sure the universsity of legit. I'm just not sure about these guys. I'd feel better if they had a university URL. In fact, I think that's basic, if the survey is what they claim. Charlotte At 11:58 AM 4/12/2015, you wrote: I opened the link and did the survey. Looks legitimate. I have various bits of software that check for things. It would probably be more secure if it didn't ask for javascript to be enabled, and I'd be happier with a https connection. Cheerio John On 12 April 2015 at 14:27, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: Dear folks,         I just received this. Because there was no advance notice of any kind,         I'm inclined to think that it is malware. I certainly do not intend to open         the link to their survey.         Does anyone know if this is legit? Charlotte Delivered-To: techl...@techlady.com Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:49:49 +0200 From: Simon Köbel s7976...@stud.uni-frankfurt.de To: pierz...@yahoo.fr, mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org, danspe...@gmail.com,  severin.men...@gmail.com, jwhelan0...@gmail.com, claire.hall...@hotosm.org ,  yantisa.akh...@hotosm.org, bgirar...@gmail.com, nick.allen...@gmail.com,  techl...@techlady.com Cc: mikel_ma...@yahoo.com, kate.chap...@hotosm.org,  domi.weh...@googlemail.com , fabian_w...@hotmail.com, elzum...@gmail.com ,  bur...@geo.uni-frankfurt.de Subject: Survey Goethe-University Frankfurt a. M. Department of Human  Geography User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.105:25 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=BddW09d2 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=DB0hE7zaO8GYUp/YqmXQew==:117 a=L6JYQDRwKfT6WHSe8sfJEQ==:17 a=ayC55rCo:8
[HOT] SPAM? MALWARE? Fwd: Survey Goethe-University Frankfurt a. M. Department of Human Geography
Dear folks, I just received this. Because there was no advance notice of any kind, I'm inclined to think that it is malware. I certainly do not intend to open the link to their survey. Does anyone know if this is legit? Charlotte Delivered-To: techl...@techlady.com Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:49:49 +0200 From: Simon Köbel s7976...@stud.uni-frankfurt.de To: pierz...@yahoo.fr, mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org, danspe...@gmail.com, severin.men...@gmail.com, jwhelan0...@gmail.com, claire.hall...@hotosm.org, yantisa.akh...@hotosm.org, bgirar...@gmail.com, nick.allen...@gmail.com, techl...@techlady.com Cc: mikel_ma...@yahoo.com, kate.chap...@hotosm.org, domi.weh...@googlemail.com, fabian_w...@hotmail.com, elzum...@gmail.com, bur...@geo.uni-frankfurt.de Subject: Survey Goethe-University Frankfurt a. M. Department of Human Geography User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.105:25 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=BddW09d2 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=DB0hE7zaO8GYUp/YqmXQew==:117 a=L6JYQDRwKfT6WHSe8sfJEQ==:17 a=ayC55rCo:8 a=0oj8HZZGiqAA:10 a=Uq6AcsZLS54A:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=TZb1taSU:8 a=e9J7MTPGsLIA:10 a=dUtWRZAB1rDCoh9MlMwA:9 a=t3EATtysssYA:10 a=pqBOpMw80UEA:10 a=HUgb82FdLOAA:10 a=4jgzO3Sv:8 a=9JZl8Z5Rb4aRWHZ3PxMA:9 a=sRm4CvaEybql6p0r:21 a=5b220iivvY8iID98:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=H7hU10Xv6RopqlgE:21 a=3BXgA0xEnxOp-_uY:21 a=HkkR7HrTyMYTXfvy:21 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Dear HOT-Users, we are a group of social-geography students at the Department of Human Geography at the Goethe-University Frankfurt a.M. and would like to ask for your assistance in our student research project about Volunteered Geographic Information Systems in general and Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team in particular. We would be interested in conducting a survey among all Humanitarian OpenStreetMap participants, about their experiences with Humanitarian OpenStreetMap and their motivation to particpate in Humanitarian OpenStreetMap. One of the main aspects we want to examine is how the respondents are related to the areas they map for Humanitarian OpenStreetMap and to determine their socio-demographic background. This survey is supposed to be the center-piece of our research project so we would be very thankful for your cooperation. We chose your mail adress from the HOT mailing list to help us optimize our work with a pre-test, if you have some time to spare. If you click the link below and answer the questions in the survey and maybe give some feedback at the end of it, we will be able to find possible errors in our survey design. As mentioned before, this is a pre-test, so if you like you can still participate in the final survey we will hopefully send out in a couple of weeks so we can work with the interesting answers and insights you might give to us. Here you will find the link to our anonymous survey http://hot.geomedienlabor.de/hot.geomedienlabor.de For reference about our research project we would like to refer you to our lecturer, David Burger (bur...@geo.uni-frankfurt.de). We would gladly share the results of our research project with you. Best regards, Simon Köbel, Dominik Wehner, Lucas Wenzel, Fabian Will Charlotte Wolter 927 18th Street Suite A Santa Monica, California 90403 +1-310-597-4040 techl...@techlady.com Skype: thetechlady ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] SPAM? MALWARE? Fwd: Survey Goethe-University Frankfurt a. M. Department of Human Geography
I opened the link and did the survey. Looks legitimate, I have various bits of software that check for things. It would probably be more secure if it didn't ask for javascript to be enabled and I'd be happier with a https connection. Cheerio John On 12 April 2015 at 14:27, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: Dear folks, I just received this. Because there was no advance notice of any kind, I'm inclined to think that it is malware. I certainly do not intend to open the link to their survey. Does anyone know if this is legit? Charlotte Delivered-To: techl...@techlady.com Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:49:49 +0200 From: Simon Köbel s7976...@stud.uni-frankfurt.de To: pierz...@yahoo.fr, mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org, danspe...@gmail.com, severin.men...@gmail.com, jwhelan0...@gmail.com, claire.hall...@hotosm.org, yantisa.akh...@hotosm.org, bgirar...@gmail.com, nick.allen...@gmail.com, techl...@techlady.com Cc: mikel_ma...@yahoo.com, kate.chap...@hotosm.org, domi.weh...@googlemail.com, fabian_w...@hotmail.com, elzum...@gmail.com, bur...@geo.uni-frankfurt.de Subject: Survey Goethe-University Frankfurt a. M. Department of Human Geography User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.105:25 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=BddW09d2 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=DB0hE7zaO8GYUp/YqmXQew==:117 a=L6JYQDRwKfT6WHSe8sfJEQ==:17 a=ayC55rCo:8 a=0oj8HZZGiqAA:10 a=Uq6AcsZLS54A:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=TZb1taSU:8 a=e9J7MTPGsLIA:10 a=dUtWRZAB1rDCoh9MlMwA:9 a=t3EATtysssYA:10 a=pqBOpMw80UEA:10 a=HUgb82FdLOAA:10 a=4jgzO3Sv:8 a=9JZl8Z5Rb4aRWHZ3PxMA:9 a=sRm4CvaEybql6p0r:21 a=5b220iivvY8iID98:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=H7hU10Xv6RopqlgE:21 a=3BXgA0xEnxOp-_uY:21 a=HkkR7HrTyMYTXfvy:21 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Dear HOT-Users, we are a group of social-geography students at the Department of Human Geography at the Goethe-University Frankfurt a.M. and would like to ask for your assistance in our student research project about Volunteered Geographic Information Systems in general and Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team in particular. We would be interested in conducting a survey among all Humanitarian OpenStreetMap participants, about their experiences with Humanitarian OpenStreetMap and their motivation to particpate in Humanitarian OpenStreetMap. One of the main aspects we want to examine is how the respondents are related to the areas they map for Humanitarian OpenStreetMap and to determine their socio-demographic background. This survey is supposed to be the center-piece of our research project so we would be very thankful for your cooperation. We chose your mail adress from the HOT mailing list to help us optimize our work with a pre-test, if you have some time to spare. If you click the link below and answer the questions in the survey and maybe give some feedback at the end of it, we will be able to find possible errors in our survey design. As mentioned before, this is a pre-test, so if you like you can still participate in the final survey we will hopefully send out in a couple of weeks so we can work with the interesting answers and insights you might give to us. Here you will find the link to our anonymous survey hot.geomedienlabor.de For reference about our research project we would like to refer you to our lecturer, David Burger (bur...@geo.uni-frankfurt.de). We would gladly share the results of our research project with you. Best regards, Simon Köbel, Dominik Wehner, Lucas Wenzel, Fabian Will Charlotte Wolter 927 18th Street Suite A Santa Monica, California 90403 +1-310-597-4040 techl...@techlady.com Skype: thetechlady ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] SPAM? MALWARE? Fwd: Survey Goethe-University Frankfurt a. M. Department of Human Geography
Hi, It really really does NOT look like spam or malware. I get emails like this occasionally. I don't mind helping if I have time. I don't understand what aspect of that email has made you worried - there was no advance notice, as you say, but what advance notice would you normally expect? They seem to have sent the email to a small selection of people _before_ publicly announcing it. Best Dan 2015-04-12 19:27 GMT+01:00 Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com: Dear folks, I just received this. Because there was no advance notice of any kind, I'm inclined to think that it is malware. I certainly do not intend to open the link to their survey. Does anyone know if this is legit? Charlotte Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:49:49 +0200 ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
