Re: [HOT] iD tags changed? Re: Difficulty in communicating with iD users
Paul Uithol wrote: Could you please clarify - have the underlying tags and values themselves changed, or just their descriptions/UI? Just the UI. It's also the name Potlatch has also given the equivalent preset (for years), so it's nothing new. And yes, "unclassified" does confuse people, but it's something they'll be exposed to and should be explained sooner or later anyway? Editing OpenStreetMap should be open to people without the need to read a manual first. Let people learn gradually at their own pace. If you introduce people to HOT differently that's cool, but iD as deployed on osm.org is a general-purpose editing tool for OpenStreetMap, of which HOT is just one of many uses. Don't have a laptop at hand, but is the underlying tag value still visible in iD? Yes. cheers Richard ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] iD tags changed? Re: Difficulty in communicating with iD users
Hi, Could you please clarify - have the underlying tags and values themselves changed, or just their descriptions/UI? It sounds like the latter to me from your response. The former would be bad, the latter is something we could/should adapt to. And yes, "unclassified" does confuse people, but it's something they'll be exposed to and should be explained sooner or later anyway? Don't have a laptop at hand, but is the underlying tag value still visible in iD? I'm hoping this has been discussed, but wouldn't a description like "Minor (unclassified)" be an option? Best, Paul On Mar 5, 2016 12:41 PM, "Richard Fairhurst" wrote: > Suzan Reed wrote: > > Who changed the tags? How do we get them changed back > > so they match JOSM and all the information about OSM and HOT? > > [...] > > The new tags (minor road etc.) do not match any of the Wikis, learning > > tools in HOT or OSM. > > Oh yes they do. > > highway=unclassified _means_ a minor road. It has always meant a minor > road. > Ever since the highway tagging scheme was invented by Andy Robinson in > 2006. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway >"minor roads of a lower classification than tertiary" > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dunclassified >"The tag highway=unclassified is used for minor public roads" > > The word "unclassified" comes from the British road system, as do the other > values, "motorway", "trunk", "primary" and "secondary". The choice of word > was unfortunate in retrospect: newcomers often think that it means "a road > where I don't know the classification" (for which the correct tag is > highway=road), and I believe this has recently been observed at Missing > Maps > events. Ten years on it's not realistic to change the raw tag value, but > that's why user-friendly editors such as iD and Potlatch have descriptive > presets rather than simply presenting raw tags. > > If iD moving to a more descriptive preset name has made HOT documentation > out-of-date, you need to change the HOT documentation. Of course, iD is > open > source so you always have the alternative of hosting a forked version as > well. > > Richard > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Difficulty-in-communicating-with-iD-users-tp5869083p5869103.html > Sent from the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap (HOT) mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > > ___ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] iD tags changed? Re: Difficulty in communicating with iD users
Suzan Reed wrote: > Who changed the tags? How do we get them changed back > so they match JOSM and all the information about OSM and HOT? > [...] > The new tags (minor road etc.) do not match any of the Wikis, learning > tools in HOT or OSM. Oh yes they do. highway=unclassified _means_ a minor road. It has always meant a minor road. Ever since the highway tagging scheme was invented by Andy Robinson in 2006. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway "minor roads of a lower classification than tertiary" http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dunclassified "The tag highway=unclassified is used for minor public roads" The word "unclassified" comes from the British road system, as do the other values, "motorway", "trunk", "primary" and "secondary". The choice of word was unfortunate in retrospect: newcomers often think that it means "a road where I don't know the classification" (for which the correct tag is highway=road), and I believe this has recently been observed at Missing Maps events. Ten years on it's not realistic to change the raw tag value, but that's why user-friendly editors such as iD and Potlatch have descriptive presets rather than simply presenting raw tags. If iD moving to a more descriptive preset name has made HOT documentation out-of-date, you need to change the HOT documentation. Of course, iD is open source so you always have the alternative of hosting a forked version as well. Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Difficulty-in-communicating-with-iD-users-tp5869083p5869103.html Sent from the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap (HOT) mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] iD tags changed? Re: Difficulty in communicating with iD users
I was shocked when I went into a Task using iD and found all the names of Roads had changed. There is no Unclassified Road anymore, and there isn’t even the designation “Road”. All my tracings have changed to designations I’ve never heard of in iD or JOSM. When I look in JOSM they are all there as Unclassified Roads as per the instructions in the Task, but in iD, they are completely different. I looked at other Tasks and these new tags are in iD in every task. Who changed the tags? How do we get them changed back so they match JOSM and all the information about OSM and HOT? This isn’t good. New people who learn in iD won’t know how to do the Instructions in a task, and when they graduate to JOSM, they will have to learn all the tags over again. Plus! The new tags (minor road etc.) do not match any of the Wikis, learning tools in HOT or OSM. I am very disappointed to discover this change and hope the Powers will repair this and make iD tags match everything else. Suzan On Mar 4, 2016, at 6:03 PM, john whelan wrote: The highway tags seen in JOSM are not apparently what an iD user sees. I'm trying very hard to put this politely but how ... am I supposed to communicate with an iD user to say please think twice before using highway=motorway in an African village and how are they supposed to know what the African wiki road tags are and how they relate to iD? And please don't suggest I use iD for anything including validation. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
