Re: [HOT] Japanese earthquake projects

[john whelan]

I had a reply this morning:

> First, the Facebook maps is using OpenStreetMap data in Japan area. After
our tasks, they updated map tiles by latest OSM map dataset.

I understand these projects have now been lowered from high pirority to low.

I think I'll go back to mapping Africa etc. for some reason mapping to
improve the map for Facebook just doesn't appeal.

Thanks John

On 9 May 2016 at 12:40, Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org> wrote:

> Greetings John and all,
>
>
>
> I will try to help connect you with the local team.  To ‘take us back’ and
> try to answer some of your questions – this response has from the start
> been coordinated by CrisisMappers-Japan. So maybe it is a language issue
> and they did not understand your message? However, what was maybe ‘missed’
> was a quick ‘identification’ by the local team, that the immediate search
> and rescue operations would be done by ‘traditional first responders’ who
> would have their own maps and such, so this has always been more a
> ‘long-term’ recovery/just further helping the wonderful efforts of
> OSM-Japan in general, however I too would like to know if that has changed
> and/or any ‘use cases’ that have come up since then.
>
>
>
> In general, these are good and valid questions/concerns, and HOT is always
> working to improve not only our own coordination, but how we better support
> these local groups.  Language barriers, time zones, and many other things
> contribute to communication challenges, so patience is always key around
> OSM.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> =Russ
>
>
>
> *From:* john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 09, 2016 10:04 AM
> *To:* Mike Thompson
> *Cc:* hot@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [HOT] Japanese earthquake projects
>
>
>
> I'm surprised to have no response to what is happening in Japan.  I think
> surprised is the polite way of putting it.
>
> I even tried to contact the project manager but no response.  It is now
> Tuesday morning in Japan.  I looked at a couple more.
>
> I note that 1799 wants the sea mapping, or at least a third of the tiles
> would seem to be over the sea.
>
> 1798 there is a high priority zone but much of it is not tiled.
>
> 1788 there is a high priority zone but some of it is not tiled.
>
> 1784 wow we've done a really good job of validating the sea on this one.
>
> 1786 again lots of sea to map.  We haven't managed to do the high priority
> zone.
>
> These are in addition to the issues on 1800.
>
> In total there are some dozen projects mostsy high priority relating to
> earthquakes in Japan that's asking for a lot of resources.  I think what
> we've ended up with is too few mappers spread out over too many projects to
> get anything useful done in a reasonable time frame.  Are they still high
> priority?
>
>
>
> Yes mappers don't cost anything in money terms but surely we can expect a
> higher standard of project management than appears to be the case here
> especially with Ecuador needing to be mapped at the same time.
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
>
> On 7 May 2016 at 18:27, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've sent something to the project manager maybe we'll hear something
> after the weekend.
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
>
> On 7 May 2016 at 13:14, Mike Thompson <miketh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would also note that it looks like we have some relatively new (8 total
> OSM change sets) mappers playing the role of validator and invalidating
> tasks for things beyond the requirement of the project (e.g. "incorrect
> paths set" when the project [#1844] only called for buildings).
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 7:02 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've been mapping and validating on Project 1800 but it doesn't make a lot
> of sense.
>
> The most difficult part to map is the built up areas with lots of very
> close buildings which in some ways I'd expect a city in Japan to have its
> own maps of buildings. Those tiles take time and lots of it.  The buildings
> are so close together that you really need the building tool to map them
> rather than squaring them afterwards.
>
> These tiles by the way still have a lot of buildings to be mapped even
> though the project says 82% complete I'd say we're only a third the way
> through the buildings.
>
>
> Then we have lots of tiles over the ocean, nothing there, and many many
> tiles over forest, again not much to map.
>
> Could someone expand a little more on who has asked for the mapping and
> what it will be used for?
>
> Thanks John
>
>
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Re: [HOT] Japanese earthquake projects

[Russell Deffner]

Greetings John and all,

 

I will try to help connect you with the local team.  To ‘take us back’ and try 
to answer some of your questions – this response has from the start been 
coordinated by CrisisMappers-Japan. So maybe it is a language issue and they 
did not understand your message? However, what was maybe ‘missed’ was a quick 
‘identification’ by the local team, that the immediate search and rescue 
operations would be done by ‘traditional first responders’ who would have their 
own maps and such, so this has always been more a ‘long-term’ recovery/just 
further helping the wonderful efforts of OSM-Japan in general, however I too 
would like to know if that has changed and/or any ‘use cases’ that have come up 
since then.

 

In general, these are good and valid questions/concerns, and HOT is always 
working to improve not only our own coordination, but how we better support 
these local groups.  Language barriers, time zones, and many other things 
contribute to communication challenges, so patience is always key around OSM.

 

Cheers,

=Russ

 

From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 10:04 AM
To: Mike Thompson
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Japanese earthquake projects

 

I'm surprised to have no response to what is happening in Japan.  I think 
surprised is the polite way of putting it. 

I even tried to contact the project manager but no response.  It is now Tuesday 
morning in Japan.  I looked at a couple more.

I note that 1799 wants the sea mapping, or at least a third of the tiles would 
seem to be over the sea.  

1798 there is a high priority zone but much of it is not tiled.

1788 there is a high priority zone but some of it is not tiled.

1784 wow we've done a really good job of validating the sea on this one.

1786 again lots of sea to map.  We haven't managed to do the high priority zone.

These are in addition to the issues on 1800.

In total there are some dozen projects mostsy high priority relating to 
earthquakes in Japan that's asking for a lot of resources.  I think what we've 
ended up with is too few mappers spread out over too many projects to get 
anything useful done in a reasonable time frame.  Are they still high priority?

 

Yes mappers don't cost anything in money terms but surely we can expect a 
higher standard of project management than appears to be the case here 
especially with Ecuador needing to be mapped at the same time.

Cheerio John

 

On 7 May 2016 at 18:27, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've sent something to the project manager maybe we'll hear something after the 
weekend.

Cheerio John

 

On 7 May 2016 at 13:14, Mike Thompson <miketh...@gmail.com> wrote:

I would also note that it looks like we have some relatively new (8 total OSM 
change sets) mappers playing the role of validator and invalidating tasks for 
things beyond the requirement of the project (e.g. "incorrect paths set" when 
the project [#1844] only called for buildings).

 

Mike

 

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 7:02 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've been mapping and validating on Project 1800 but it doesn't make a lot of 
sense.

The most difficult part to map is the built up areas with lots of very close 
buildings which in some ways I'd expect a city in Japan to have its own maps of 
buildings. Those tiles take time and lots of it.  The buildings are so close 
together that you really need the building tool to map them rather than 
squaring them afterwards.

These tiles by the way still have a lot of buildings to be mapped even though 
the project says 82% complete I'd say we're only a third the way through the 
buildings.


Then we have lots of tiles over the ocean, nothing there, and many many tiles 
over forest, again not much to map.

Could someone expand a little more on who has asked for the mapping and what it 
will be used for?

Thanks John

 

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Re: [HOT] Japanese earthquake projects

[john whelan]

I'm surprised to have no response to what is happening in Japan.  I think
surprised is the polite way of putting it.

I even tried to contact the project manager but no response.  It is now
Tuesday morning in Japan.  I looked at a couple more.

I note that 1799 wants the sea mapping, or at least a third of the tiles
would seem to be over the sea.

1798 there is a high priority zone but much of it is not tiled.

1788 there is a high priority zone but some of it is not tiled.

1784 wow we've done a really good job of validating the sea on this one.

1786 again lots of sea to map.  We haven't managed to do the high priority
zone.

These are in addition to the issues on 1800.

In total there are some dozen projects mostsy high priority relating to
earthquakes in Japan that's asking for a lot of resources.  I think what
we've ended up with is too few mappers spread out over too many projects to
get anything useful done in a reasonable time frame.  Are they still high
priority?

Yes mappers don't cost anything in money terms but surely we can expect a
higher standard of project management than appears to be the case here
especially with Ecuador needing to be mapped at the same time.

Cheerio John

On 7 May 2016 at 18:27, john whelan  wrote:

> I've sent something to the project manager maybe we'll hear something
> after the weekend.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 7 May 2016 at 13:14, Mike Thompson  wrote:
>
>> I would also note that it looks like we have some relatively new (8 total
>> OSM change sets) mappers playing the role of validator and invalidating
>> tasks for things beyond the requirement of the project (e.g. "incorrect
>> paths set" when the project [#1844] only called for buildings).
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 7:02 AM, john whelan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been mapping and validating on Project 1800 but it doesn't make a
>>> lot of sense.
>>>
>>> The most difficult part to map is the built up areas with lots of very
>>> close buildings which in some ways I'd expect a city in Japan to have its
>>> own maps of buildings. Those tiles take time and lots of it.  The buildings
>>> are so close together that you really need the building tool to map them
>>> rather than squaring them afterwards.
>>>
>>> These tiles by the way still have a lot of buildings to be mapped even
>>> though the project says 82% complete I'd say we're only a third the way
>>> through the buildings.
>>>
>>> Then we have lots of tiles over the ocean, nothing there, and many many
>>> tiles over forest, again not much to map.
>>>
>>> Could someone expand a little more on who has asked for the mapping and
>>> what it will be used for?
>>>
>>> Thanks John
>>>
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Re: [HOT] Japanese earthquake projects

[john whelan]

I've sent something to the project manager maybe we'll hear something after
the weekend.

Cheerio John

On 7 May 2016 at 13:14, Mike Thompson  wrote:

> I would also note that it looks like we have some relatively new (8 total
> OSM change sets) mappers playing the role of validator and invalidating
> tasks for things beyond the requirement of the project (e.g. "incorrect
> paths set" when the project [#1844] only called for buildings).
>
> Mike
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 7:02 AM, john whelan  wrote:
>
>> I've been mapping and validating on Project 1800 but it doesn't make a
>> lot of sense.
>>
>> The most difficult part to map is the built up areas with lots of very
>> close buildings which in some ways I'd expect a city in Japan to have its
>> own maps of buildings. Those tiles take time and lots of it.  The buildings
>> are so close together that you really need the building tool to map them
>> rather than squaring them afterwards.
>>
>> These tiles by the way still have a lot of buildings to be mapped even
>> though the project says 82% complete I'd say we're only a third the way
>> through the buildings.
>>
>> Then we have lots of tiles over the ocean, nothing there, and many many
>> tiles over forest, again not much to map.
>>
>> Could someone expand a little more on who has asked for the mapping and
>> what it will be used for?
>>
>> Thanks John
>>
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Re: [HOT] Japanese earthquake projects

[Mike Thompson]

I would also note that it looks like we have some relatively new (8 total
OSM change sets) mappers playing the role of validator and invalidating
tasks for things beyond the requirement of the project (e.g. "incorrect
paths set" when the project [#1844] only called for buildings).

Mike

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 7:02 AM, john whelan  wrote:

> I've been mapping and validating on Project 1800 but it doesn't make a lot
> of sense.
>
> The most difficult part to map is the built up areas with lots of very
> close buildings which in some ways I'd expect a city in Japan to have its
> own maps of buildings. Those tiles take time and lots of it.  The buildings
> are so close together that you really need the building tool to map them
> rather than squaring them afterwards.
>
> These tiles by the way still have a lot of buildings to be mapped even
> though the project says 82% complete I'd say we're only a third the way
> through the buildings.
>
> Then we have lots of tiles over the ocean, nothing there, and many many
> tiles over forest, again not much to map.
>
> Could someone expand a little more on who has asked for the mapping and
> what it will be used for?
>
> Thanks John
>
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