Re: [Hpr] Spaceman - A Clarifying Comment

[Ken Fallon]

Hi All,

We have no email address for spaceman so the following note was left on
loadaverage.org/spaceman1

Regards,

Ken.



FROM SPACEMAN

Dear #HPR listeners;

I am sorry I offended you. Actually no I am not sorry!
this is my show, my podcast, on a platform free of censorship.
I don't have to justify anything to anyone; however, I will be making
a special episode, doing a full analysis of everyone's responses I got
on HPR and #gnusocial. The episode will be %100 clean !! no swearing I
promise.

if you hate my content, simply don't listen to it next time you see
"spaceman".

Something has been said that actually made me mad, and it's none of your
comments.
I sincerely couldn't care less if you are so easily offended.

I am quite pleased to be the most discussed post at the moment, and I
know people who
can look beyond words are already doing personal research about food
growing, creating
botnets for their businesses or ease their work load, or simply looking
at my content on
my hidden websites on the onion network.

the nail has been nailed; I know you don't like hearing the F, C or
whatever word. there's
no need to keep on writing those comments, because I KNOW.

If you want to keep crying about it, i'd politely ask you to go sodomize
yourself with a
retractable baton. See? I'm already getting better from your comments I
asked politely.

for questions, suggestions or insults: you can find me on
loadaverage.org/spaceman1

happy hacking.




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Re: [Hpr] Spaceman

[x1101]

I want to be clear that I don't actually enjoy vulgarity for the sake of 
vulgarity. It definitely dilutes the content.


On Dec 13, 2016, Mike Ray  wrote:
>On 13/12/2016 18:58, Dave Lee wrote:
>> I have to disagree with this to a point.
>>
>> I think that having an explicit tag for the odd contextual swear word
>is
>> fine, and I may want to listen to those episodes, so I'm not going to
>> filter out episodes on the basis of the explicit tag.  However,
>having just
>> listened to the episode in question, I would not want to listen to
>> gratuitous swearing for the sake of swearing, or - in this case -
>name
>> calling.
>>
>> The language doesn't bother me, but the (and I think this term was
>used in
>> the episode comments) _aggressive_ nature of the language used - e.g.
>> "you're a political f---wit", and the very offensive use of the term
>> "retard".
>>
>> I do believe that spaceman was making a really good point, but I
>think it
>> ended up being diluted by the tone used.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:50 PM x1101  wrote:
>>
>>> I concur, HPR is a network for people to express themselves, and
>while I
>>> strongly believe in a censorship-free HPR, that doesn’t mean that we
>have
>>> the right to force someone to listen to explicit material if they do
>not
>>> wish to. This ‘explicit’ tag gives people a piece of information to
>make
>>> that choice for themselves. I know that I will always tag my shows
>as
>>> ‘explicit’, because I don’t keep track of my language. While I
>appreciate
>>> that there are other things that folks might find offensive outside
>of
>>> technically explicit language, its a good start.
>>>
>>> Keep the vulgarity, keep the tag, and let us all decide for
>ourselves what
>>> we want to produce and what we want to listen to.
>>>
>>> /x1101
>
>I'm not offended by bad language.  Too many people troll the internet
>and social media in particular just looking for something to be
>offended
>by so that they can get what they think is their fifteen minutes of
>fame
>thanks to lazy journalists who just think they can make a few bucks by
>knowing how to copy and paste.
>
>But when almost every word begins with 'f' and ends either with 'uck'
>or
>'ucking' it just gets boring and the content is diluted to the point
>where I press the delete button.
>
>I would have thought there were far more suitable subjects than whether
>to say 'Linux' or 'GNU/Linux' that deserve such a tirade, like systemd
>taking over the world for example.
>
>Let's have less f***ing and more hacking.
>
>Mike

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Re: [Hpr] Spaceman

[Mike Ray]

On 13/12/2016 18:58, Dave Lee wrote:
> I have to disagree with this to a point.
> 
> I think that having an explicit tag for the odd contextual swear word is
> fine, and I may want to listen to those episodes, so I'm not going to
> filter out episodes on the basis of the explicit tag.  However, having just
> listened to the episode in question, I would not want to listen to
> gratuitous swearing for the sake of swearing, or - in this case - name
> calling.
> 
> The language doesn't bother me, but the (and I think this term was used in
> the episode comments) _aggressive_ nature of the language used - e.g.
> "you're a political f---wit", and the very offensive use of the term
> "retard".
> 
> I do believe that spaceman was making a really good point, but I think it
> ended up being diluted by the tone used.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:50 PM x1101  wrote:
> 
>> I concur, HPR is a network for people to express themselves, and while I
>> strongly believe in a censorship-free HPR, that doesn’t mean that we have
>> the right to force someone to listen to explicit material if they do not
>> wish to. This ‘explicit’ tag gives people a piece of information to make
>> that choice for themselves. I know that I will always tag my shows as
>> ‘explicit’, because I don’t keep track of my language. While I appreciate
>> that there are other things that folks might find offensive outside of
>> technically explicit language, its a good start.
>>
>> Keep the vulgarity, keep the tag, and let us all decide for ourselves what
>> we want to produce and what we want to listen to.
>>
>> /x1101

I'm not offended by bad language.  Too many people troll the internet
and social media in particular just looking for something to be offended
by so that they can get what they think is their fifteen minutes of fame
thanks to lazy journalists who just think they can make a few bucks by
knowing how to copy and paste.

But when almost every word begins with 'f' and ends either with 'uck' or
'ucking' it just gets boring and the content is diluted to the point
where I press the delete button.

I would have thought there were far more suitable subjects than whether
to say 'Linux' or 'GNU/Linux' that deserve such a tirade, like systemd
taking over the world for example.

Let's have less f***ing and more hacking.

Mike



-- 
Michael A. Ray
Analyst/Programmer
Witley, Surrey, South-east UK

Eyes-free Linux:
http://eyesfreelinux.ninja/

Raspberry VI:
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Re: [Hpr] Spaceman

[David L. Willson]

Couple thoughts from my comfy chair: 

I think that anyone that cares about sorting out the kinds of offensive 
material should, like VidAngel, create their own derivative stream with all the 
things that might offend called out. That way, people that are offended by 
various words, topics, or attitudes can skip the episodes that contains those 
things, without ever having had to hear them. Personally, I am becoming an 
"offense and pain" junkie. I take a deep breath and listen to people with whom 
I disagree, and I encourage them to be free in their choice of vernacular. I 
seek out the feeling of discomfort that comes with being energetically and/or 
intelligently disagreed with, because I always come through the experience, not 
only unharmed, but a better version of David L. Willson, either by having 
adjusted my perspective, or by having understood the other fellow's perspective 
better than I did. Are there things I turn off? Yep. Anything I think I can't 
learn from. Ain't nobody got time for that. 

I can't *wait* to listen to Spaceman's episode! 

I love to see 'lostnbronx' appear in my inbox, even if he did leave the 
'digest' subject line . His name reminds me of the time he spent a few 
weeks reading me his stories while I drove to and from work. And, that is a 
happy memory. 

-- 
David L. Willson 
Teacher, Engineer, Evangelist 
RHCE+Satellite CCAH Linux+ LPIC-1 SUSE_CLP LFCS 
Mobile 720-333-LANS(5267) 
http://sofree.us 

This is a good time for a r3VOLution. 

- Original Message -

> I have to disagree with this to a point.

> I think that having an explicit tag for the odd contextual swear word
> is fine, and I may want to listen to those episodes, so I'm not
> going to filter out episodes on the basis of the explicit tag.
> However, having just listened to the episode in question, I would
> not want to listen to gratuitous swearing for the sake of swearing,
> or - in this case - name calling.

> The language doesn't bother me, but the (and I think this term was
> used in the episode comments) _aggressive_ nature of the language
> used - e.g. "you're a political f---wit", and the very offensive use
> of the term "retard".

> I do believe that spaceman was making a really good point, but I
> think it ended up being diluted by the tone used.

> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:50 PM x1101 < x1...@gmx.com > wrote:

> > I concur, HPR is a network for people to express themselves, and
> > while I strongly believe in a censorship-free HPR, that doesn’t
> > mean
> > that we have the right to force someone to listen to explicit
> > material if they do not wish to. This ‘explicit’ tag gives people a
> > piece of information to make that choice for themselves. I know
> > that
> > I will always tag my shows as ‘explicit’, because I don’t keep
> > track
> > of my language. While I appreciate that there are other things that
> > folks might find offensive outside of technically explicit
> > language,
> > its a good start.
> 

> > Keep the vulgarity, keep the tag, and let us all decide for
> > ourselves
> > what we want to produce and what we want to listen to.
> 

> > /x1101
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Re: [Hpr] Spaceman

[x1101]

The question is, how to do we provide information to you (and others) that this 
might contain “aggressive” language, while not restricting what folks say? Do 
we add a “very explicit” tag? An Explicit-o-meter™? I can’t help but feel that 
if the answer we come up with is “censorship” then we need to go back and find 
another one. 

/x1101


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Re: [Hpr] Spaceman

[Venant]

yes keep the tag... I was refering to the blatent display on the website... i 
thought we decided that they are all "explicit" unless specifically marked 
"clean". thank you.
-brian


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Subject: Re: [Hpr] Spaceman
Local Time: December 13, 2016 11:48 AM
UTC Time: December 13, 2016 6:48 PM
From: x1...@gmx.com
To: hpr@hackerpublicradio.org <hpr@hackerpublicradio.org>

I concur, HPR is a network for people to express themselves, and while I 
strongly believe in a censorship-free HPR, that doesn’t mean that we have the 
right to force someone to listen to explicit material if they do not wish to. 
This ‘explicit’ tag gives people a piece of information to make that choice for 
themselves. I know that I will always tag my shows as ‘explicit’, because I 
don’t keep track of my language. While I appreciate that there are other things 
that folks might find offensive outside of technically explicit language, its a 
good start.

Keep the vulgarity, keep the tag, and let us all decide for ourselves what we 
want to produce and what we want to listen to.

/x1101
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Re: [Hpr] Spaceman

[Venant]

I do not like the "explicit tag" at all... I understand the use for certain 
distribution systems, but certainly do not like to even think about "clean" or 
"explicit" unless I wish to... we have been over this before... what is 
"explicit" in your environment? how many tags do we need? In the previous 
conversation I recall specifically remember "silence is agreement"... Let us 
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[Hpr] Spaceman

[Todd]

I appreciate that HPR does not censor submissions.


HPR is for adults who have the ability to decide what they will listen to.
I dont mind occasional foul language, and I think  it is OK for spaceman to
submit episodes that many consider offensive.

Because of his language and tone, I have decided exercise my Sansa's skip
button, and not listen to any further episodes by spaceman.

Thank you HPR volunteers.
Please don't change anything.
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