Re: [Hpr] Permission to modify the show notes

[James Toebes]

I have only contributed a few (ToeJet), but you are free to modify them 
as you see fit.   License change (CC-0) if desired as well.


Dang,  Am I really that long on the additional ones I said I should do?  
Please don't sent the HPR hit squad to take me out   Ken, I apologize.



On 7/7/2017 7:47 AM, Fifty OneFifty wrote:
I give the HPR admins explicit permission to edit my show notes as 
they see fit.


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Today's Topics:

   1. Permission to modify the show notes (Ken Fallon)
   2. Re: Permission to modify the show notes (x1101)
   3. Re: Permission to modify the show notes (Charles Thayer)
   4. Re: Permission to modify the show notes (Bob Jonkman)
   5. Re: Permission to modify the show notes (Kevin O'Brien)


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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 21:42:39 +0200
From: Ken Fallon mailto:k...@fallon.ie>>
To: "hpr@hackerpublicradio.org <mailto:hpr@hackerpublicradio.org>"
mailto:hpr@hackerpublicradio.org>>
Subject: [Hpr] Permission to modify the show notes
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Hi All,

As you know we are going back over the old shows to add tags for
Archive.org. Nearly all the shows need tags, and summaries. Some even
need show notes, or to be placed in series. You can help - see the
main
page for more information.

In the process of doing it I was thinking it would be a good idea
to do
a bit of housekeeping on them. For example, fix the html, check the
links still work and point to where the host originally intended, etc.

I was asking Dave (who's leading this) what we should do if the show
notes need correcting. For example a show may benefit from having
"Google Reader was shut down on July 1, 2013, but this show is of
historical interest." _still not over that one :)_

The license is cc-by-sa, so we are allowed to do "derivative works" on
the show notes. To be honest most of the early shows didn't have show
notes so they were often added by the admins.

Our current policy as is defined in "hpr2210 :: On Freedom of
Speech and
Censorship" would seem to allow us to do this.
http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=2210
<http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=2210>

So the question is are we allowed to modify show notes ?

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Ken Fallon
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I can?t think of a good reason why not.

I know folks have the option of releasing shows not CC-BY-SA, but
have they? If so, do we have a way to identify them and exclude
them from editing?

Also, for what its worth, I am herby explicitly giving the HPR
admins permission to modify my show note as needed.


/x1101

Re: [Hpr] Permission to modify the show notes

[Dave Morriss]

On 07/07/17 15:17, dann s washko wrote:
> I do not see why this would be a problem nor violate the spirit of the
> site/show/organization. I cannot foresee any contributor that I am aware
> of taking issue with this. But if you want to cover your butt I would
> recommend:
> 
> 1) Do not delete any of the original content. If something is considered
> for deletion do a strike through and a note why.
> 2) Clearly mark changes to the documentation providing the editor's name
> or handle and why the change was made.
> 
> Should an original author take issue with the changes they can be easily
> reverted.

Nicely reasoned. Thanks Dann.

I have made a very small number of changes so far, apart from repairing
broken HTML (because archive.org apply stringent filters and may well
drop stuff). Most of the bad HTML is found with older shows since now we
have a better control over what gets saved to the database.

In the case where I have "rescued" images because the original hosting
server is no longer available for example, I have added an "Editor's
Note" explaining what was done.

See show 1128 for an example, fixed in 2015. There I left the original
link addresses visible but redirected to the HPR server.

Dave


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Re: [Hpr] Permission to modify the show notes

[韋嘉誠]

Legally, morally and socially: Absolutely, yes. Make the world better.
Thank you for your incessant janitoring.

On Jul 7, 2017 03:43, "Ken Fallon"  wrote:

Hi All,

As you know we are going back over the old shows to add tags for
Archive.org. Nearly all the shows need tags, and summaries. Some even
need show notes, or to be placed in series. You can help - see the main
page for more information.

In the process of doing it I was thinking it would be a good idea to do
a bit of housekeeping on them. For example, fix the html, check the
links still work and point to where the host originally intended, etc.

I was asking Dave (who's leading this) what we should do if the show
notes need correcting. For example a show may benefit from having
"Google Reader was shut down on July 1, 2013, but this show is of
historical interest." _still not over that one :)_

The license is cc-by-sa, so we are allowed to do "derivative works" on
the show notes. To be honest most of the early shows didn't have show
notes so they were often added by the admins.

Our current policy as is defined in "hpr2210 :: On Freedom of Speech and
Censorship" would seem to allow us to do this.
http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=2210

So the question is are we allowed to modify show notes ?

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Regards,

Ken Fallon
http://kenfallon.com
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Re: [Hpr] Permission to modify the show notes

[dann s washko]

I do not see why this would be a problem nor violate the spirit of the 
site/show/organization. I cannot foresee any contributor that I am aware 
of taking issue with this. But if you want to cover your butt I would 
recommend:


1) Do not delete any of the original content. If something is considered 
for deletion do a strike through and a note why.
2) Clearly mark changes to the documentation providing the editor's name 
or handle and why the change was made.


Should an original author take issue with the changes they can be easily 
reverted.


On 7/6/17 7:49 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
I don't see any problem. The license allows it (CC-BY-SA), and more 
importantly I doubt anyone will object to making their show better for 
the archives.


Regards.



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On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Bob Jonkman > wrote:


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I've only got one show in there, but I contributed it to HPR. And even
though the HPR indicates the shows are CC-BY-SA I'm happy to release
my shows as CC-0, or even to transfer copyright to HPR. I did this for
HPR, not for me.

While I speak for no-one else, I suspect that'll be a sentiment common
to most HPR contributors.

So go ahead and fix, update, and alter show notes as needed.

- --Bob.


On 2017-07-06 03:46 PM, x1101 wrote:
> I can’t think of a good reason why not.
>
> I know folks have the option of releasing shows not CC-BY-SA, but
> have they? If so, do we have a way to identify them and exclude
> them from editing?
>
> Also, for what its worth, I am herby explicitly giving the HPR
> admins permission to modify my show note as needed.
>
>
> /x1101
>> On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Ken Fallon mailto:k...@fallon.ie>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> As you know we are going back over the old shows to add tags for
>>  Archive.org. Nearly all the shows need tags, and summaries.
>> Some even need show notes, or to be placed in series. You can
>> help - see the main page for more information.
>>
>> In the process of doing it I was thinking it would be a good
>> idea to do a bit of housekeeping on them. For example, fix the
>> html, check the links still work and point to where the host
>> originally intended, etc.
>>
>> I was asking Dave (who's leading this) what we should do if the
>> show notes need correcting. For example a show may benefit from
>> having "Google Reader was shut down on July 1, 2013, but this
>> show is of historical interest." _still not over that one :)_
>>
>> The license is cc-by-sa, so we are allowed to do "derivative
>> works" on the show notes. To be honest most of the early shows
>> didn't have show notes so they were often added by the admins.
>>
>> Our current policy as is defined in "hpr2210 :: On Freedom of
>> Speech and Censorship" would seem to allow us to do this.
>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=2210

>>
>> So the question is are we allowed to modify show notes ?
>>
>> -- Regards,
>>
>> Ken Fallon http://kenfallon.com
>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30

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Re: [Hpr] Permission to modify the show notes

[Fifty OneFifty]

I give the HPR admins explicit permission to edit my show notes as they see
fit.

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 6:50 PM,  wrote:

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>1. Permission to modify the show notes (Ken Fallon)
>2. Re: Permission to modify the show notes (x1101)
>3. Re: Permission to modify the show notes (Charles Thayer)
>4. Re: Permission to modify the show notes (Bob Jonkman)
>5. Re: Permission to modify the show notes (Kevin O'Brien)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 21:42:39 +0200
> From: Ken Fallon 
> To: "hpr@hackerpublicradio.org" 
> Subject: [Hpr] Permission to modify the show notes
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi All,
>
> As you know we are going back over the old shows to add tags for
> Archive.org. Nearly all the shows need tags, and summaries. Some even
> need show notes, or to be placed in series. You can help - see the main
> page for more information.
>
> In the process of doing it I was thinking it would be a good idea to do
> a bit of housekeeping on them. For example, fix the html, check the
> links still work and point to where the host originally intended, etc.
>
> I was asking Dave (who's leading this) what we should do if the show
> notes need correcting. For example a show may benefit from having
> "Google Reader was shut down on July 1, 2013, but this show is of
> historical interest." _still not over that one :)_
>
> The license is cc-by-sa, so we are allowed to do "derivative works" on
> the show notes. To be honest most of the early shows didn't have show
> notes so they were often added by the admins.
>
> Our current policy as is defined in "hpr2210 :: On Freedom of Speech and
> Censorship" would seem to allow us to do this.
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=2210
>
> So the question is are we allowed to modify show notes ?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ken Fallon
> http://kenfallon.com
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30
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> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:46:50 -0400
> From: x1101 
> To: Ken Fallon 
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> Subject: Re: [Hpr] Permission to modify the show notes
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>
> I can?t think of a good reason why not.
>
> I know folks have the option of releasing shows not CC-BY-SA, but have
> they? If so, do we have a way to identify them and exclude them from
> editing?
>
> Also, for what its worth, I am herby explicitly giving the HPR admins
> permission to modify my show note as needed.
>
>
> /x1101
> > On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Ken Fallon  wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > As you know we are going back over the old shows to add tags for
> > Archive.org. Nearly all the shows need tags, and summaries. Some even
> > need show notes, or to be placed in series. You can help - see the main
> > page for more information.
> >
> > In the process of doing it I was thinking it would be a good idea to do
> > a bit of housekeeping on them. For example, fix the html, check the
> > links still work and point to where the host originally intended, etc.
> >
> > I was asking Dave (who's leading this) what we should do if the show
> > notes need correcting. For example a show may benefit from having
> > "Google Reader was shut down on July 1, 2013, but this show is of
> > historical interest." _still not over that one :)_
> >
> > The license is cc-by-sa, so we are allowed to do "derivative works" on
> > th

Re: [Hpr] Permission to modify the show notes

[Kevin O'Brien]

I don't see any problem. The license allows it (CC-BY-SA), and more
importantly I doubt anyone will object to making their show better for the
archives.

Regards.



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On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Bob Jonkman  wrote:

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> I've only got one show in there, but I contributed it to HPR. And even
> though the HPR indicates the shows are CC-BY-SA I'm happy to release
> my shows as CC-0, or even to transfer copyright to HPR. I did this for
> HPR, not for me.
>
> While I speak for no-one else, I suspect that'll be a sentiment common
> to most HPR contributors.
>
> So go ahead and fix, update, and alter show notes as needed.
>
> - --Bob.
>
>
> On 2017-07-06 03:46 PM, x1101 wrote:
> > I can’t think of a good reason why not.
> >
> > I know folks have the option of releasing shows not CC-BY-SA, but
> > have they? If so, do we have a way to identify them and exclude
> > them from editing?
> >
> > Also, for what its worth, I am herby explicitly giving the HPR
> > admins permission to modify my show note as needed.
> >
> >
> > /x1101
> >> On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Ken Fallon  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> As you know we are going back over the old shows to add tags for
> >>  Archive.org. Nearly all the shows need tags, and summaries.
> >> Some even need show notes, or to be placed in series. You can
> >> help - see the main page for more information.
> >>
> >> In the process of doing it I was thinking it would be a good
> >> idea to do a bit of housekeeping on them. For example, fix the
> >> html, check the links still work and point to where the host
> >> originally intended, etc.
> >>
> >> I was asking Dave (who's leading this) what we should do if the
> >> show notes need correcting. For example a show may benefit from
> >> having "Google Reader was shut down on July 1, 2013, but this
> >> show is of historical interest." _still not over that one :)_
> >>
> >> The license is cc-by-sa, so we are allowed to do "derivative
> >> works" on the show notes. To be honest most of the early shows
> >> didn't have show notes so they were often added by the admins.
> >>
> >> Our current policy as is defined in "hpr2210 :: On Freedom of
> >> Speech and Censorship" would seem to allow us to do this.
> >> http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=2210
> >>
> >> So the question is are we allowed to modify show notes ?
> >>
> >> -- Regards,
> >>
> >> Ken Fallon http://kenfallon.com
> >> http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30
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Re: [Hpr] Permission to modify the show notes

[Bob Jonkman]

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I've only got one show in there, but I contributed it to HPR. And even
though the HPR indicates the shows are CC-BY-SA I'm happy to release
my shows as CC-0, or even to transfer copyright to HPR. I did this for
HPR, not for me.

While I speak for no-one else, I suspect that'll be a sentiment common
to most HPR contributors.

So go ahead and fix, update, and alter show notes as needed.

- --Bob.


On 2017-07-06 03:46 PM, x1101 wrote:
> I can’t think of a good reason why not.
> 
> I know folks have the option of releasing shows not CC-BY-SA, but 
> have they? If so, do we have a way to identify them and exclude 
> them from editing?
> 
> Also, for what its worth, I am herby explicitly giving the HPR 
> admins permission to modify my show note as needed.
> 
> 
> /x1101
>> On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Ken Fallon  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> As you know we are going back over the old shows to add tags for
>>  Archive.org. Nearly all the shows need tags, and summaries.
>> Some even need show notes, or to be placed in series. You can
>> help - see the main page for more information.
>> 
>> In the process of doing it I was thinking it would be a good
>> idea to do a bit of housekeeping on them. For example, fix the
>> html, check the links still work and point to where the host
>> originally intended, etc.
>> 
>> I was asking Dave (who's leading this) what we should do if the 
>> show notes need correcting. For example a show may benefit from 
>> having "Google Reader was shut down on July 1, 2013, but this 
>> show is of historical interest." _still not over that one :)_
>> 
>> The license is cc-by-sa, so we are allowed to do "derivative 
>> works" on the show notes. To be honest most of the early shows 
>> didn't have show notes so they were often added by the admins.
>> 
>> Our current policy as is defined in "hpr2210 :: On Freedom of 
>> Speech and Censorship" would seem to allow us to do this. 
>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=2210
>> 
>> So the question is are we allowed to modify show notes ?
>> 
>> -- Regards,
>> 
>> Ken Fallon http://kenfallon.com 
>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30
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Re: [Hpr] Permission to modify the show notes

[Charles Thayer via Hpr]

Go ahead, anyone, if brave ye be. 

I was going to rework the notes myself before real life descended...

C

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> On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:46 PM, x1101  wrote:
> 
> I can’t think of a good reason why not. 
> 
> I know folks have the option of releasing shows not CC-BY-SA, but have they? 
> If so, do we have a way to identify them and exclude them from editing?
> 
> Also, for what its worth, I am herby explicitly giving the HPR admins 
> permission to modify my show note as needed.
> 
> 
> /x1101
>> On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Ken Fallon  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> As you know we are going back over the old shows to add tags for
>> Archive.org. Nearly all the shows need tags, and summaries. Some even
>> need show notes, or to be placed in series. You can help - see the main
>> page for more information.
>> 
>> In the process of doing it I was thinking it would be a good idea to do
>> a bit of housekeeping on them. For example, fix the html, check the
>> links still work and point to where the host originally intended, etc.
>> 
>> I was asking Dave (who's leading this) what we should do if the show
>> notes need correcting. For example a show may benefit from having
>> "Google Reader was shut down on July 1, 2013, but this show is of
>> historical interest." _still not over that one :)_
>> 
>> The license is cc-by-sa, so we are allowed to do "derivative works" on
>> the show notes. To be honest most of the early shows didn't have show
>> notes so they were often added by the admins.
>> 
>> Our current policy as is defined in "hpr2210 :: On Freedom of Speech and
>> Censorship" would seem to allow us to do this.
>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=2210
>> 
>> So the question is are we allowed to modify show notes ?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Ken Fallon
>> http://kenfallon.com
>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30
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Re: [Hpr] Permission to modify the show notes

[x1101]

I can’t think of a good reason why not. 

I know folks have the option of releasing shows not CC-BY-SA, but have they? If 
so, do we have a way to identify them and exclude them from editing?

Also, for what its worth, I am herby explicitly giving the HPR admins 
permission to modify my show note as needed.


/x1101
> On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Ken Fallon  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> As you know we are going back over the old shows to add tags for
> Archive.org. Nearly all the shows need tags, and summaries. Some even
> need show notes, or to be placed in series. You can help - see the main
> page for more information.
> 
> In the process of doing it I was thinking it would be a good idea to do
> a bit of housekeeping on them. For example, fix the html, check the
> links still work and point to where the host originally intended, etc.
> 
> I was asking Dave (who's leading this) what we should do if the show
> notes need correcting. For example a show may benefit from having
> "Google Reader was shut down on July 1, 2013, but this show is of
> historical interest." _still not over that one :)_
> 
> The license is cc-by-sa, so we are allowed to do "derivative works" on
> the show notes. To be honest most of the early shows didn't have show
> notes so they were often added by the admins.
> 
> Our current policy as is defined in "hpr2210 :: On Freedom of Speech and
> Censorship" would seem to allow us to do this.
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=2210
> 
> So the question is are we allowed to modify show notes ?
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Ken Fallon
> http://kenfallon.com
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30
> 
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