[hugin-ptx] Re: Windows 2009.2 installer package: please test

2009-10-31 Thread namklim



On 31 Oct, 00:59, Yuval Levy goo...@levy.ch wrote:
 namklim wrote:
  The project.pto file for the images in the long path directory works
  without any problems when run with the Ubuntu version of Hugin.

 you may want to 
 checkhttp://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ#Special_Characters_in_Paths

 while some special characters are better supported in some O/S than
 others, this is not dependent on Hugin and to stay on the safe side, the
 above listed characters should be avoided. At some point we may
 introduce checks to refuse some of them in the project files.

 Yuv

I haven't added any control characters. The path is a normal Windows
path.

The .pto.mk file was generated by Hugin and it appears Hugin has added
the extra character (if that is the problem?).

As I said, the batch processor works without any changes.



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[hugin-ptx] hugin-2009.4 win32 (cygming) build available - please test

2009-10-31 Thread Ryan

Hi all,

hugin-2009.4.0-rc2-win32-cygming-bin.zip is now available at
ftp://hugin.panotools.org/public_html/testing/hugin/. It works out of
the box -- just unzip and run hugin/bin/hugin.exe -- and there are no
dependencies on either cygwin or the location it unzips to.

In addition, autopano-sift-C-2.5.1_rc2-win32-cygming-bin.zip is
available for people who aren't troubled by patent issues. Just unzip
it to the same directory that the hugin-*.zip went to and hugin should
be able to use it (it's not a stand-alone executable and shares the
same directory hierarchy).

Finally, hugin-2009.4.0_rc2-win32-cygming-build.tar.gz contains the
master Makefile and patches which were used to build and package hugin/
autopano.

It would be interesting if people with real workflows could try it
out and see (a) whether it really works and (b) how it compares to the
MSVC version -- I my biggest panorama only has like seven photos in
it, and I don't usually play with multiple lenses or stacks.

The uploaded version uses
- hugin-2009.4.0_rc2
- enblend-enfuse-3.2
- libpano13-2.9.15_beta3
- autopano-sift-C-2.5.1_rc2

I'm willing to try other versions as appropriate, but wanted to close
the loop first (in particular, enblend-4.0 sounds like it needs some
integration work still).

Regards,
Ryan

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[hugin-ptx] Re: hugin-2009.4 win32 (cygming) build available - please test

2009-10-31 Thread Ryan

One quick addendum: I just figured out that you have to enable GPU
stitching explicitly... and it fails on my machine, reporting that a
bunch of shaders are missing (GL_ARB_fragment_shader, etc). I suspect
that it's just my laptop's underpowered graphics card, but it would be
good for somebody with a decent GPU to verify that GPU stitching
works.

GPU-assisted preview seems to work fine for me -- enabling
photometrics in 0.8 overwhelms my machine, and other than a brief
spike to get it started, 2009.4 doesn't use any CPU as I drag the
image around and change crop settings.

Regards,
Ryan

On Oct 31, 10:41 am, Ryan scov...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 hugin-2009.4.0-rc2-win32-cygming-bin.zip is now available 
 atftp://hugin.panotools.org/public_html/testing/hugin/. It works out of
 the box -- just unzip and run hugin/bin/hugin.exe -- and there are no
 dependencies on either cygwin or the location it unzips to.

 In addition, autopano-sift-C-2.5.1_rc2-win32-cygming-bin.zip is
 available for people who aren't troubled by patent issues. Just unzip
 it to the same directory that the hugin-*.zip went to and hugin should
 be able to use it (it's not a stand-alone executable and shares the
 same directory hierarchy).

 Finally, hugin-2009.4.0_rc2-win32-cygming-build.tar.gz contains the
 master Makefile and patches which were used to build and package hugin/
 autopano.

 It would be interesting if people with real workflows could try it
 out and see (a) whether it really works and (b) how it compares to the
 MSVC version -- I my biggest panorama only has like seven photos in
 it, and I don't usually play with multiple lenses or stacks.

 The uploaded version uses
 - hugin-2009.4.0_rc2
 - enblend-enfuse-3.2
 - libpano13-2.9.15_beta3
 - autopano-sift-C-2.5.1_rc2

 I'm willing to try other versions as appropriate, but wanted to close
 the loop first (in particular, enblend-4.0 sounds like it needs some
 integration work still).

 Regards,
 Ryan
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[hugin-ptx] Re: hugin-2009.4 win32 (cygming) build available - please test

2009-10-31 Thread Henk Tijdink

Hello Ryan
As a regular reader of this groupI tried to download your version and
autopano SIFT, but I don't have access to the FTP server.
Need a user name and password for getting access?
How can I get that?

Kind regards,
Henk Tijdink

On 31 okt, 10:53, Ryan scov...@gmail.com wrote:
 One quick addendum: I just figured out that you have to enable GPU
 stitching explicitly... and it fails on my machine, reporting that a
 bunch of shaders are missing (GL_ARB_fragment_shader, etc). I suspect
 that it's just my laptop's underpowered graphics card, but it would be
 good for somebody with a decent GPU to verify that GPU stitching
 works.

 GPU-assisted preview seems to work fine for me -- enabling
 photometrics in 0.8 overwhelms my machine, and other than a brief
 spike to get it started, 2009.4 doesn't use any CPU as I drag the
 image around and change crop settings.

 Regards,
 Ryan

 On Oct 31, 10:41 am, Ryan scov...@gmail.com wrote:



  Hi all,

  hugin-2009.4.0-rc2-win32-cygming-bin.zip is now available 
  atftp://hugin.panotools.org/public_html/testing/hugin/. It works out of
  the box -- just unzip and run hugin/bin/hugin.exe -- and there are no
  dependencies on either cygwin or the location it unzips to.

  In addition, autopano-sift-C-2.5.1_rc2-win32-cygming-bin.zip is
  available for people who aren't troubled by patent issues. Just unzip
  it to the same directory that the hugin-*.zip went to and hugin should
  be able to use it (it's not a stand-alone executable and shares the
  same directory hierarchy).

  Finally, hugin-2009.4.0_rc2-win32-cygming-build.tar.gz contains the
  master Makefile and patches which were used to build and package hugin/
  autopano.

  It would be interesting if people with real workflows could try it
  out and see (a) whether it really works and (b) how it compares to the
  MSVC version -- I my biggest panorama only has like seven photos in
  it, and I don't usually play with multiple lenses or stacks.

  The uploaded version uses
  - hugin-2009.4.0_rc2
  - enblend-enfuse-3.2
  - libpano13-2.9.15_beta3
  - autopano-sift-C-2.5.1_rc2

  I'm willing to try other versions as appropriate, but wanted to close
  the loop first (in particular, enblend-4.0 sounds like it needs some
  integration work still).

  Regards,
  Ryan
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[hugin-ptx] Re: hugin-2009.4 win32 (cygming) build available - please test

2009-10-31 Thread Yuval Levy

Henk Tijdink wrote:
 Hello Ryan
 As a regular reader of this groupI tried to download your version and
 autopano SIFT, but I don't have access to the FTP server.
 Need a user name and password for getting access?
 How can I get that?

http://hugin.panotools.org/testing/hugin/

the ftp URL is only for those uploading. and it would be good if FTP 
would be replaced by SFTP, SCP, or rsync over SSH.

Yuv

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[hugin-ptx] Re: *IMPORTANT* Credits

2009-10-31 Thread Yuval Levy

Bruno Postle wrote:
 I really think the list of authors needs to be in the tarball, the 
 copyright license needs to be accompanied by the 'owners'.

I'm not happy with the current solution either, but it is better than 
the previous one. Nobody looks at AUTHORS in the tarball, not even Linux 
users that get the software through their package manager.

The solution is to put it in the About window (which is also delivered 
in the tarball and is visible in the GUI application), but it has 
reached its useful limits. Will think of something.


 Please use URIs that don't expose the filename like (most of) the 
 rest of the site e.g:
 
http://hugin.sourceforge.net/community/authors/

I thought the URIs that don't expose the filename are for pages intended 
to be translated? I intentionally do not want a translation of this 
page. Maintenance nightmare.

Yuv


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[hugin-ptx] Re: Windows 2009.2 installer package: please test

2009-10-31 Thread Yuval Levy

namklim wrote:
 I haven't added any control characters. The path is a normal Windows
 path.
 
 The .pto.mk file was generated by Hugin and it appears Hugin has added
 the extra character (if that is the problem?).

can you post the .pto and .pto.mk files somewhere? Ideally in a bug 
report at [0] with a complete description of the case. These things get 
lost in time in the mailing list.

[0] https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=77506atid=550441

Yuv

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[hugin-ptx] Re: hugin-2009.4 win32 (cygming) build available - please test

2009-10-31 Thread Ryan

On Oct 31, 1:14 pm, Henk Tijdink h.tijd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Ryan
 As a regular reader of this groupI tried to download your version and
 autopano SIFT, but I don't have access to the FTP server.
 Need a user name and password for getting access?
 How can I get that?

That's a very good question... I had assumed it would either be world-
readable or available through http, but I guess not.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: hugin-2009.4 win32 (cygming) build available - please test

2009-10-31 Thread Ryan

Correction to the URLs:
http://hugin.panotools.org/testing/hugin/hugin-2009.4.0_rc2-win32-cygming-bin.zip
http://hugin.panotools.org/testing/hugin/autopano-sift-C-2.5.1_rc2-win32-cygming-bin.zip
http://hugin.panotools.org/testing/hugin/hugin-2009.4.0_rc2-win32-cygming-build.tar.gz

Thanks,
Ryan

On Oct 31, 10:41 am, Ryan scov...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 hugin-2009.4.0-rc2-win32-cygming-bin.zip is now available 
 atftp://hugin.panotools.org/public_html/testing/hugin/. It works out of
 the box -- just unzip and run hugin/bin/hugin.exe -- and there are no
 dependencies on either cygwin or the location it unzips to.

 In addition, autopano-sift-C-2.5.1_rc2-win32-cygming-bin.zip is
 available for people who aren't troubled by patent issues. Just unzip
 it to the same directory that the hugin-*.zip went to and hugin should
 be able to use it (it's not a stand-alone executable and shares the
 same directory hierarchy).

 Finally, hugin-2009.4.0_rc2-win32-cygming-build.tar.gz contains the
 master Makefile and patches which were used to build and package hugin/
 autopano.

 It would be interesting if people with real workflows could try it
 out and see (a) whether it really works and (b) how it compares to the
 MSVC version -- I my biggest panorama only has like seven photos in
 it, and I don't usually play with multiple lenses or stacks.

 The uploaded version uses
 - hugin-2009.4.0_rc2
 - enblend-enfuse-3.2
 - libpano13-2.9.15_beta3
 - autopano-sift-C-2.5.1_rc2

 I'm willing to try other versions as appropriate, but wanted to close
 the loop first (in particular, enblend-4.0 sounds like it needs some
 integration work still).

 Regards,
 Ryan
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[hugin-ptx] Re: Windows 2009.2 installer package: please test

2009-10-31 Thread namklim

On 31 Oct, 13:38, Yuval Levy goo...@levy.ch wrote:
 namklim wrote:
  I haven't added any control characters. The path is a normal Windows
  path.

  The .pto.mk file was generated by Hugin and it appears Hugin has added
  the extra character (if that is the problem?).

 can you post the .pto and .pto.mk files somewhere? Ideally in a bug
 report at [0] with a complete description of the case. These things get
 lost in time in the mailing list.

 [0]https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=77506atid=550441

 Yuv

OK - I've now found the problem. I'd changed my import-from-camera
program and there was a space in front of the camera jpg files. It
just didn't show up when looking at the directory as all files looked
the same.
.
I first loaded the files into Hugin 0.8 running under Ubuntu and they
processed without any problems even with the space in front of the
file names.
I then loaded the project saved by the Ubuntu Hugin into this Windows
Hugin test version and it failed with the error indicated (and also
failed in the Windows Hugin v0.7 and 0.8 when I tested it in those)

So there is a difference in the behaviour of the Ubuntu and Windows
versions when the jpg file starts with a space.

Do you still want a bug report filed?

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Exif Information. Automatic Computing

2009-10-31 Thread villa

Thanks, I'll try your advice.

On 25 oct, 19:40, Nicolas Pelletier nicolas.pellet...@gmail.com
wrote:
 If the information is not in the EXIF, then it is not provided to the
 software, and it has to guess or optimize to what seems the best value.
 Typical algorithms are very good at finding those values (both Hugin and
 Autopano according to your results).

 I've not played with autopano, but I can tell that hugin can figure out what
 lens you used (Field of View and focal length). The way it will do so is by
 starting with a value that may not be exact, and converge to the best value
 it can.

 With hugin, you must give it a starting value (even quite imprecise) and it
 will figure out the values. I remember one time I shot a pano and gave hugin
 the information from the wrong lens. After optimization, it had changed
 everything back to what it should. My recommendation, put what you think and
 let hugin figure out the details!

 When you optimize, FOV may not be checked as something that can be changed,
 so if it does not work, go on the optimizer tab to see if FOV is indeed
 checked.

 nick

 On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:47 AM, villa fjgarc...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi all

  I've been evaluating several programs for mosaic generation, one of
  them is free (hugin) while the other is commercial (Autopano Pro).
  Both are very good but the Autopano Pro has a feature that I find very
  interesting but I don't really know how it works.

  When you upload photos to hugin if the photos don't have EXIF
  information you need to include the hfov and the focal length to
  continue the process, but the Autopano Pro if the photos don't have
  EXIF information it seems that somehow calculates the hfov and the
  focal length.

  This information autopano computes is provided subsequently to hugin
  and this program works perfectly, therefore the values are correct.

  My question is if there a technique or algorithm that allows to obtain
  this information if not included in the EXIF

  Best regards.


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[hugin-ptx] Temp files issues

2009-10-31 Thread Ryan

Hi all,

Two questions:

1. 2009.4 leaves all the temp files laying around after a stitch
completes, where the old version used to delete them afterwards. Is
this new behavior a bug or a feature? It might make some sense if the
GUI were willing to let the makefile track dependencies, but it just
overwrites all the files anyway. Note that manually calling make clean
on the .pto.mk file does the right thing, but only if the file which
was stitched shares the same root as the .pto.

2. In both 2009.4 and the older windows version, the temp files go
wherever the final stitched image is being sent. This can be a major
pain when sending the final image to a (slow) shared filesystem; I
really want the temp files to go to local storage, and the stitched
image to go in the image archive where it belongs.

Thoughts?
Ryan



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[hugin-ptx] Re: *IMPORTANT* Credits

2009-10-31 Thread Bruno Postle

On Sat 31-Oct-2009 at 08:36 -0400, Yuval Levy wrote:

 Please use URIs that don't expose the filename like (most of) the
 rest of the site e.g:

http://hugin.sourceforge.net/community/authors/

I thought the URIs that don't expose the filename are for pages intended
to be translated? I intentionally do not want a translation of this
page. Maintenance nightmare.

Pages that are not intended for translation are named index.shtml 
which is handled by the apache DirectoryIndex directive so the 
filename doesn't appear.

Pages for translation are en.shtml which could also be handled by 
DirectoryIndex, but I never got around to it and have a 
RedirectMatch instead.

-- 
Bruno

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Windows 2009.2 installer package: please test

2009-10-31 Thread Bruno Postle

On Sat 31-Oct-2009 at 08:53 -0700, namklim wrote:

OK - I've now found the problem. I'd changed my import-from-camera
program and there was a space in front of the camera jpg files. It
just didn't show up when looking at the directory as all files looked
the same.

So there is a difference in the behaviour of the Ubuntu and Windows
versions when the jpg file starts with a space.

The problem is that \ is the standard character used for escaping 
'special' characters such as a space, it is also used by windows for 
marking folders.

It works most of the time on Windows, a \ followed by a 'normal' 
character is understood to be a folder, but if you start a folder or 
filename with a space things fall apart because you get this 
ambiguous '\\ ' stuff.

Lukáš figured out that we can fix this by using / as a folder 
delimiter for all platforms, but nobody has done the work yet to 
make the switch.

-- 
Bruno

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Temp files issues

2009-10-31 Thread Ryan

On Nov 1, 12:08 am, Bruno Postle br...@postle.net wrote:
 On Sat 31-Oct-2009 at 13:05 -0700, Ryan wrote:
 1. 2009.4 leaves all the temp files laying around after a stitch
 completes, where the old version used to delete them afterwards. Is
 this new behavior a bug or a feature?

 There has been no change as far as I know, the behavior from the
 GUI should be:

 All intermediate files (including a temporary .pto .pto.mk pair) are
 created in a temporary folder and deleted afterwards.  Unless you
 specify 'Remapped Images', in which case some of them are created in
 the output folder and saved.

Hmm. My usual workflow is to create the .pto in the folder that
contains photos I want to stitch, and then send stitched results there
as well. During a stitch, all the files are created in the same
working directory (except, apparently, hug7E.tmp, whatever that is).
Afterward everything gets deleted except for the .pto, .pto.mk, and
the final stitched image. With my 2009.4 build, the tmp files no
longer get deleted. Here's an extract of the output from hugin-0.8;
the same happens with 2009.4:

C:\Program\ Files\Hugin\bin\nona -z PACKBITS  -r ldr -m TIFF_m -o tmp -
i 0 C:\DOCUME~1\Ryan\LOCALS~1\Temp\hug7E.tmp
C:\Program\ Files\Hugin\bin\nona -z PACKBITS  -r ldr -m TIFF_m -o tmp -
i 1 C:\DOCUME~1\Ryan\LOCALS~1\Temp\hug7E.tmp
C:\Program\ Files\Hugin\bin\nona -z PACKBITS  -r ldr -m TIFF_m -o tmp -
i 2 C:\DOCUME~1\Ryan\LOCALS~1\Temp\hug7E.tmp
C:\Program\ Files\Hugin\bin\enblend --compression 85 -f4750x1485+74+0 -
o tmp.jpg tmp.tif tmp0001.tif tmp0002.tif
Loading next image: tmp.tif
Loading next image: tmp0001.tif
Creating blend mask: 1/4 2/4 3/4 4/4
Optimizing 1 distinct seam.

The tmp*.tif mentioned above are created in the final destination dir,
not in ...\Temp\ (you can see them appear/disappear if you have the
folder open) -- there's plenty of time when this happens over a slow
network share to my wife's laptop. When stitching in 2009.4 the
tmp*.tif files remain. Then, next time you stitch, it pops up a list
of all those temp files and asks if you want to overwrite them ('no'
cancels the stitch).

Can anyone else verify this behavior? Is it a win32 problem only?

 There is a bug where this temporary folder is always the system
 default and isn't changed by the Hugin tempDir Preference setting.  
 A workaround (on Linux at least) is to set TMPDIR in your
 environment.  There will be an equivalent Windows workaround, but I
 don't know what it is.

Hugin seems able to find my temp folder... it just doesn't put many
files into it.

 When stitching on the command-line, all intermediate files are
 created in the same folder as the output and are only deleted if you
 supply the 'clean' make target.

That makes sense, but I've only ever used the GUI.

Regards,
Ryan

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[hugin-ptx] Re: hugin-2009.4 win32 (cygming) build available - please test

2009-10-31 Thread RueiKe

Hi Ryan,

I have finished running the first test case for hugin-2009.4.0_rc2-
win32-cygming-bin.zip.

Platform: Windows Vista 64bit on an i7 with 12GB memory and an ATI
Radeon HD 4800 series graphics card.

Project: 31 image 360x180 equirectangular projection aligned with
7,129 control points.  No exposure bracketing in this project.

Observations:
GUI - Looks good.  Only concern found is it is in English even when
Chinese is selected.
Load images - No issues
Add Control Points - I used Autopano-sift-c with --maxdim 4000 --
projection %f,%v --maxmatches %p %o %i arguments.  It worked fine and
added as many control points as 2009.2 (Allard's build).  I found a
previous build of 2009.4 did not generate any control points when --
maxdim 4000 is specified, but this build doesn't have the issue/
Align - No problem
Fine Tune All control points - No issues
Control Point table - No problem, I removed bad control points with no
issues
Optimizer - No problems for position and everything
Exposure - No issues with Low Dynamic range 1000 points per image.
Stitching - Used Calculate Optimal Size - 15,288 x 7,559.  Problems
in stitching a Blended Panorama for both with and without GPU:
   Without GPU - Out of memory error even with the arguments: -m 2000 -
b 4000
   With GPU - No errors, but during enblend most images were indicated
as redundant and not included in final image.  Final image was a large
file with the dimensions specified in Calculate Optimal Size, but
was transparent except for an area the size and shape of the image
anchored for position.  The area was the same size as that component
image, but it had other images blended incorrectly into it.

Let me know if you need any other details,

Regards,
Rick


On Nov 1, 9:22 am, RueiKe ruei...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi Ryan,

 I am still working through my test case, but one observed issue so far
 is that the interface is in English even when I select Traditional
 Chinese.  I am running this out of the directory where I unzipped it
 to, so maybe this is part of the issue.

 Regards,
 Rick

 On Oct 31, 8:51 pm, Ryan scov...@gmail.com wrote:



  Correction to the 
  URLs:http://hugin.panotools.org/testing/hugin/hugin-2009.4.0_rc2-win32-cyg..

  Thanks,
  Ryan

  On Oct 31, 10:41 am, Ryan scov...@gmail.com wrote:

   Hi all,

   hugin-2009.4.0-rc2-win32-cygming-bin.zip is now available 
   atftp://hugin.panotools.org/public_html/testing/hugin/. It works out of
   the box -- just unzip and run hugin/bin/hugin.exe -- and there are no
   dependencies on either cygwin or the location it unzips to.

   In addition, autopano-sift-C-2.5.1_rc2-win32-cygming-bin.zip is
   available for people who aren't troubled by patent issues. Just unzip
   it to the same directory that the hugin-*.zip went to and hugin should
   be able to use it (it's not a stand-alone executable and shares the
   same directory hierarchy).

   Finally, hugin-2009.4.0_rc2-win32-cygming-build.tar.gz contains the
   master Makefile and patches which were used to build and package hugin/
   autopano.

   It would be interesting if people with real workflows could try it
   out and see (a) whether it really works and (b) how it compares to the
   MSVC version -- I my biggest panorama only has like seven photos in
   it, and I don't usually play with multiple lenses or stacks.

   The uploaded version uses
   - hugin-2009.4.0_rc2
   - enblend-enfuse-3.2
   - libpano13-2.9.15_beta3
   - autopano-sift-C-2.5.1_rc2

   I'm willing to try other versions as appropriate, but wanted to close
   the loop first (in particular, enblend-4.0 sounds like it needs some
   integration work still).

   Regards,
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