[hugin-ptx] Re: Remapped images and bracketed exposures
Just to close this topic, I've submitted a feature request (#2939561) to support this capability inside Hugin (no standalone tools required). Text follows. Rick The Problem: Small stitcher errors caused by nodal point errors, poor choice of control points, and/or motion can often be corrected in Photoshop using layers and masks if the exposure corrected, remapped source images are available. For Normal output, these are kept if the Remapped images option is enabled. However, for Exposure fusion:Fused and blended panorama, the Remapped images option only keeps the uncorrected remapped images, i.e., the input to the enfuse process. The corrected images (i.e., projectName_stack_ldr_N files ) are designated temporary and erased when the blending process is complete. This precludes fixing the seam errors in Photoshop. WorkAround: The desired files are actually produced as part of the stitching process. Using a standalone copy of the Hugin_tools (I got mine from Harry van der Wolf's website), the project file can be run through a pto2mk and make all process to generate the desired files. (I created a scriptlet that you can drag and drop a project file on to automate this process.) Any unnecessary temporary files must then be removed manually. The disadvantages of the workaround are obvious: additional manual steps and downloading of the standalone tools which wouldn't otherwise be necessary. Feature Request: Add support to the GUI stitcher tab so that the projectName_stack_ldr_N files are retained. Some possibilities: a) Add additional Exposure fusion checkbox to retain exposure corrected, remapped images when Fused and blended panorama is selected. b) Extend semantics of current Exposure fusion:Remapped images checkbox to also save projectName_stack_ldr_N files when Fused and blended panorama is selected. c) Use Normal:Remapped Images checkbox to enable saving of projectName_stack_ldr_N files when Exposure fusion:Fused and blended panorama is selected. (This is my least favourite option due to potential user confusion and should probably only be done in the context of a redesign of the Output GUI.) On Jan 20, 5:50 pm, Rick Workman ridgewo...@mac.com wrote: OK, I think I've sorted this out. I've installed Hugin_tools from Harry's web site so I can run pto2mk on the project file and then run make on the result as suggested. Not particularly user friendly but I'll try and put a wrapper around it to make it easier. I'd still like to see this supported through the GUI somehow, but this will work for now. Rick On Jan 20, 4:29 pm, Rick Workman ridgewo...@mac.com wrote: On Jan 19, 5:19 pm, Bruno Postle br...@postle.net wrote: On Tue 19-Jan-2010 at 08:26 -0800, Rick Workman wrote: Maybe I'm not communicating this well, but they appear to exist temporarily as *_stack_ldr_* files, e.g., test_stack_ldr_.tiff, during the process, but the cleanup throws them away. So I'd just like an option (or parameter setting) that doesn't delete them. Selecting 'remapped images' should keep these files, but it doesn't keep everything. So my conclusion is that it doesn't currently keep the files I want, and there's no way to configure Hugin to do so.. If you stitch on the command-line with 'make', nothing is deleted: make -f project.pto.mk all Running 'make clean' will then delete all intermediate files: make -f project.pto.mk clean Can you point me at what I need, in addition to the Hugin Mac binary I have have already installed? Also is there any doc/tutorial that will tell me how to do this? My terminal skills are a bit rusty. Rick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: Remapped images and bracketed exposures
Maybe I'm not communicating this well, but they appear to exist temporarily as *_stack_ldr_* files, e.g., test_stack_ldr_.tiff, during the process, but the cleanup throws them away. So I'd just like an option (or parameter setting) that doesn't delete them. This is consistent with my understanding, i.e., Fused and blended panorama exposure fuses the bracketed stacks into one set of images that are then blended just like a single set (non-stacked) of images. Rick On Jan 18, 6:36 pm, Bruno Postle br...@postle.net wrote: On Mon 18-Jan-2010 at 15:07 -0800, Rick Workman wrote: Not sure I understand. I choose Fused and Blended panorama as output. Now whether I select Normal:Remapped images or Exposure fusion:Remapped images I get remapped versions of the 18 images prior to fusing, rather than 6, exposure corrected, fused images, which is what I'm looking for. An exposure-corrected, exposure-fused image doesn't really exist, adjusting exposure before fusing doesn't improve the results. Actually, both options appear to produce the same set of remapped images. They will produce similar images if Hugin thinks they all have the same EV. If Hugin can't read the EV from the EXIF data, you will have to run exposure optimisation. Sorry if that sounds complex, what you are trying to achieve will probably work, but it isn't a typical workflow. -- Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Remapped images and bracketed exposures
I know this topic has been generally discussed in this group, but I couldn't find an answer to my specific question. Using the GUI, when I output a Blended panorama with remapped images I get the equilateral and a set of remapped and exposure corrected images. Using Photoshop layers and masking, I can use them to patch up minor stitching errors, since the individual images have the same exposure correction as the main panorama. However, when I have a bracketed exposure set of images and output a Fused and blended panorama with Remapped images, the remapped images do not have exposure correction applied. They appear to be the remapped original exposure images prior to fusing, and therefore aren't much help in the patching process. Is there any way to retain (I'm sure they're being generated) the set of exposure corrected images (like the set for Blended panorama) produced just before the final output? Rick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: Remapped images and bracketed exposures
I have tried that option (and a few others) but it produces remapped but uncorrected versions of the original 18 images, rather than a set of 6 corrected fused images. I'm using Harry van der Wolf's recent build (2010.1.0, svn level 4892). Rick On Jan 18, 5:17 pm, Bruno Postle br...@postle.net wrote: On Mon 18-Jan-2010 at 14:12 -0800, Rick Workman wrote: However, when I have a bracketed exposure set of images and output a Fused and blended panorama with Remapped images, the remapped images do not have exposure correction applied. They appear to be the remapped original exposure images prior to fusing, and therefore aren't much help in the patching process. Is there any way to retain (I'm sure they're being generated) the set of exposure corrected images (like the set for Blended panorama) produced just before the final output? Sure, just select the 'Normal - Remapped images' checkbox in addition to the 'Exposure fusion' option. -- Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: Remapped images and bracketed exposures
Not sure I understand. I choose Fused and Blended panorama as output. Now whether I select Normal:Remapped images or Exposure fusion:Remapped images I get remapped versions of the 18 images prior to fusing, rather than 6, exposure corrected, fused images, which is what I'm looking for. Actually, both options appear to produce the same set of remapped images. Based on the tooltip for Exposure fusion:Remapped images, I'm getting the expected result for that option. It would be nice if Normal:Remapped images produced the desired result, but it doesn't appear to do so. Am I missing something? Rick On Jan 18, 5:46 pm, Bruno Postle br...@postle.net wrote: On Mon 18-Jan-2010 at 14:40 -0800, Rick Workman wrote: I have tried that option (and a few others) but it produces remapped but uncorrected versions of the original 18 images, rather than a set of 6 corrected fused images. This should work, though you can always stitch everything twice, saving 'remapped images' for both 'Normal' and 'Exposure fused' output. -- Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: Control Point Detectors on hugin-mac-2009.2
Hi Harry, Thanks for the update. I've never found the auto control point generators particularly useful for fisheye images, but the align_image_stack would help quite a bit setting up stacks of bracketed exposures for HDR, so I'm keen to give it a try. Please let me know when something becomes available. Rick On Dec 16, 1:59 pm, Harry van der Wolf hvdw...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rick, I had a look at it, but currently it is harder than it seemed: - I tried to implement it from inside the bundle, but I did not get that to work since the switch to the new 2009.x plugin structure. - I tried to make it as a align_image_stack plugin for Hugin. The big problem lately is that I can't make a static align_image_stack anymore. I get segfaults when building. (This is the same for the other hugin command line tools.) And then came other things in sight. All in all I'm not much further. I will have a look again this weekend. Harry 2009/12/16 Rick Workman ridgewo...@mac.com Is align_image_stack still missing in hugin-mac-2009.4; I'm not seeing any change from 2009.2? Rick On Dec 3, 2:44 pm, Rick Workman ridgewo...@mac.com wrote: Thanks Harry, at least my sanity is no longer in question. (Well not for this reason.) Looking forward to your resolution, Rick On Dec 3, 1:54 pm, Harry van der Wolf hvdw...@gmail.com wrote: Align_Image_Stack is currently not in or with the bundle. It needs to be added asap. The problem is that after changing in version 2009.2 to the new plugin structure it's not so easy to implement align_image_stack in the bundle now. I will pick this up asap. I do host align_image_stack binaries on my my website [0] which you could use, but since 2 days my provider has problems. Since 1 hour I can get on the internet again, but the internet still can't get on my server. When things are back to normal I let you know. I hope it will be very soon :-( Harry [0]: http://panorama.dyndns.org/index.php?lang=ENsubject=Hugintexttag=Hugin 2009/12/3 Rick Workman ridgewo...@mac.com Thanks to all for the replies. So I've now have Autopano-SIFT set up (using info from Bruno's post of Sept. 6), so the basics are there. I'm actually more interested in using align_image_stack for setting up bracketed exposures. Bruno's post provides info on possible parameters (-f %v -p %o %i), but what do I put in the Program field and what do I select from the Type menu. If I do the obvious thing and put align_image_stack in the program string, when I select a set of bracketed images and try to set control points to align them, it produces a wxExecute Error alert with error code 255. I'm guessing that it can't find the program. (I certainly can't.) Any help appreciated, Rick P.S. There's definitely a U.S. patent on SIFT (US Patent 6,711,293 awarded March 23, 2004). On Dec 2, 3:01 pm, Bruno Postle br...@postle.net wrote: On Wed 02-Dec-2009 at 08:16 -0800, Rick Workman wrote: P.S. Are all the generators, including align_image stack, subject to patent restrictions? As far as we know there are patents on SIFT and SURF. align_image_stack isn't effected, but it isn't an all-purpose control-point generator. -- Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comhugin-ptx%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com hugin-ptx%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comhugin-ptx%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: Control Point Detectors on hugin-mac-2009.2
Thanks to all for the replies. So I've now have Autopano-SIFT set up (using info from Bruno's post of Sept. 6), so the basics are there. I'm actually more interested in using align_image_stack for setting up bracketed exposures. Bruno's post provides info on possible parameters (-f %v -p %o %i), but what do I put in the Program field and what do I select from the Type menu. If I do the obvious thing and put align_image_stack in the program string, when I select a set of bracketed images and try to set control points to align them, it produces a wxExecute Error alert with error code 255. I'm guessing that it can't find the program. (I certainly can't.) Any help appreciated, Rick P.S. There's definitely a U.S. patent on SIFT (US Patent 6,711,293 awarded March 23, 2004). On Dec 2, 3:01 pm, Bruno Postle br...@postle.net wrote: On Wed 02-Dec-2009 at 08:16 -0800, Rick Workman wrote: P.S. Are all the generators, including align_image stack, subject to patent restrictions? As far as we know there are patents on SIFT and SURF. align_image_stack isn't effected, but it isn't an all-purpose control-point generator. -- Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
