[hugin-ptx] Re: [OSX] hugin-mac-2009.4.0-Beta1 for download

[Allan Seidel]

Does a change to the Celeste parameters in preferences result in better
performance for these images without removing desirable points? There are
also people in these images. Sometimes they are also like clouds. By the
way, from my perspective I am struck by the total absence of litter and
excess body weight in these images.

Allan
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:55 AM, grow  wrote:

>
> Allan,
>
> Thanks.
>
> I tried the JPEGs on my machine and just as you had found ...
>  Auto-pano-sift created 35 control points and Celeste removed the 32
> of them that were on the clouds.
> So then I created two 8-bit TIFF files and again Auto-pano-sift
> created 35 control points and Celeste removed the 32 of them that were
> on the clouds.
>
> So then I loaded the original 16-bit TIFF files and Auto-pano-sift
> again created 35 control points BUT this time Celeste removed only 9
> of them.  I took screen captures and can see no pattern.
>
> The screens are here
>
> http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/GR__BeforeCeleste.jpg?hl=en-GB&gsc=KotfnAsgkA1LQtdhBzYiUCK1XXkP
> and here:
>
> http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/GR_after1stCeleste.jpg?hl=en-GB&gsc=KotfnAsgkA1LQtdhBzYiUCK1XXkPand
>
> as I said I can’t see much pattern to the cloud-control-points removed
> and those that remain.
>
> So it seems that Celeste is not as good at removing control points on
> 16-bit TIFF images.
>
> all the best
>
> George
>
> On 7 Oct, 03:52, AKS-Gmail-IMAP  wrote:
> > OSX hugin-mac-2009.4.0-Beta1 on this G4 removed all 64 control points
> > autopano-sift-c had matched on the clouds in your two jpg photos.
> >
> > Allan
> >
> > On Oct 6, 2009, at 9:00 PM, grow wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > OK,
> >
> > > Here they are:
> > >
> http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/5-of-9_IMG_0052.jpg?hl=en-GB
> > >
> http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/4-of-9_IMG_0049.jpg?hl=en-GB
> >
> > > As for the other error - the crashing Enblend  running out of memory -
> > > I re-ran the stitch at 10,000 x 5,000 and it worked OK  ... I can live
> > > with that.
> >
> > > all the best
> >
> > > George
> >
> > > On 7 Oct, 01:18, Yuval Levy  wrote:
> > >> hi George,
> >
> > >> try with high quality JPEG. if we can't reproduce the error, you can
> > >> always upload the heavier TIFFs in a second time.
> >
> > >> thanks for your effort
> > >> Yuv
> >
> > >> grow wrote:
> > >>> Bruno,
> >
> >    Can you upload these two photos somewhere?
> >
> > >>> I am happy to do so ... at present they are 16-bit TIFF files and
> > >>> are
> > >>> each 70+Mb ... do you think that their size/resolution/TIFF-ness
> > >>> might
> > >>> would be significant?  If so I can upload them onto one of my sites
> > >>> and provide a link ... if not and high-quality JPEGs would do I
> > >>> could
> > >>> make those and upload them here.
> >
> > >>> all the best
> >
> > >>> George
> >
> > >>> On Oct 6, 8:56 pm, Bruno Postle  wrote:
> >  On Tue 06-Oct-2009 at 07:18 -0700, grow wrote:
> >
> > > This should probably have gone on a thread about Celetse  ...
> > > but I am
> > > working on that panorama I mentioned with the current Beta and
> > > have
> > > found that I don't  seem to  to have the sort of clouds that
> > > Celeste
> > > recognises.
> >  This could be a problem with celeste as you say, or something wrong
> >  with the build or installation.  Can you upload these two photos
> >  somewhere?
> >
> >  --
> >  Bruno
> >
>

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[hugin-ptx] Re: [OSX] hugin-mac-2009.4.0-Beta1 for download

[grow]

Allan,

Thanks.

I tried the JPEGs on my machine and just as you had found ...
 Auto-pano-sift created 35 control points and Celeste removed the 32
of them that were on the clouds.
So then I created two 8-bit TIFF files and again Auto-pano-sift
created 35 control points and Celeste removed the 32 of them that were
on the clouds.

So then I loaded the original 16-bit TIFF files and Auto-pano-sift
again created 35 control points BUT this time Celeste removed only 9
of them.  I took screen captures and can see no pattern.

The screens are here
   
http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/GR__BeforeCeleste.jpg?hl=en-GB&gsc=KotfnAsgkA1LQtdhBzYiUCK1XXkP
and here:
   
http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/GR_after1stCeleste.jpg?hl=en-GB&gsc=KotfnAsgkA1LQtdhBzYiUCK1XXkPand

as I said I can’t see much pattern to the cloud-control-points removed
and those that remain.

So it seems that Celeste is not as good at removing control points on
16-bit TIFF images.

all the best

George

On 7 Oct, 03:52, AKS-Gmail-IMAP  wrote:
> OSX hugin-mac-2009.4.0-Beta1 on this G4 removed all 64 control points  
> autopano-sift-c had matched on the clouds in your two jpg photos.
>
> Allan
>
> On Oct 6, 2009, at 9:00 PM, grow wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > OK,
>
> > Here they are:
> >      http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/5-of-9_IMG_0052.jpg?hl=en-GB
> >      http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/4-of-9_IMG_0049.jpg?hl=en-GB
>
> > As for the other error - the crashing Enblend  running out of memory -
> > I re-ran the stitch at 10,000 x 5,000 and it worked OK  ... I can live
> > with that.
>
> > all the best
>
> > George
>
> > On 7 Oct, 01:18, Yuval Levy  wrote:
> >> hi George,
>
> >> try with high quality JPEG. if we can't reproduce the error, you can
> >> always upload the heavier TIFFs in a second time.
>
> >> thanks for your effort
> >> Yuv
>
> >> grow wrote:
> >>> Bruno,
>
>    Can you upload these two photos somewhere?
>
> >>> I am happy to do so ... at present they are 16-bit TIFF files and  
> >>> are
> >>> each 70+Mb ... do you think that their size/resolution/TIFF-ness  
> >>> might
> >>> would be significant?  If so I can upload them onto one of my sites
> >>> and provide a link ... if not and high-quality JPEGs would do I  
> >>> could
> >>> make those and upload them here.
>
> >>> all the best
>
> >>> George
>
> >>> On Oct 6, 8:56 pm, Bruno Postle  wrote:
>  On Tue 06-Oct-2009 at 07:18 -0700, grow wrote:
>
> > This should probably have gone on a thread about Celetse  ...  
> > but I am
> > working on that panorama I mentioned with the current Beta and  
> > have
> > found that I don't  seem to  to have the sort of clouds that  
> > Celeste
> > recognises.
>  This could be a problem with celeste as you say, or something wrong
>  with the build or installation.  Can you upload these two photos
>  somewhere?
>
>  --
>  Bruno
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[hugin-ptx] Re: [OSX] hugin-mac-2009.4.0-Beta1 for download

[AKS-Gmail-IMAP]

OSX hugin-mac-2009.4.0-Beta1 on this G4 removed all 64 control points  
autopano-sift-c had matched on the clouds in your two jpg photos.

Allan


On Oct 6, 2009, at 9:00 PM, grow wrote:

>
> OK,
>
> Here they are:
>   http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/5-of-9_IMG_0052.jpg?hl=en-GB
>   http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/4-of-9_IMG_0049.jpg?hl=en-GB
>
> As for the other error - the crashing Enblend  running out of memory -
> I re-ran the stitch at 10,000 x 5,000 and it worked OK  ... I can live
> with that.
>
> all the best
>
> George
>
> On 7 Oct, 01:18, Yuval Levy  wrote:
>> hi George,
>>
>> try with high quality JPEG. if we can't reproduce the error, you can
>> always upload the heavier TIFFs in a second time.
>>
>> thanks for your effort
>> Yuv
>>
>>
>>
>> grow wrote:
>>> Bruno,
>>
   Can you upload these two photos somewhere?
>>
>>> I am happy to do so ... at present they are 16-bit TIFF files and  
>>> are
>>> each 70+Mb ... do you think that their size/resolution/TIFF-ness  
>>> might
>>> would be significant?  If so I can upload them onto one of my sites
>>> and provide a link ... if not and high-quality JPEGs would do I  
>>> could
>>> make those and upload them here.
>>
>>> all the best
>>
>>> George
>>
>>> On Oct 6, 8:56 pm, Bruno Postle  wrote:
 On Tue 06-Oct-2009 at 07:18 -0700, grow wrote:
>>
> This should probably have gone on a thread about Celetse  ...  
> but I am
> working on that panorama I mentioned with the current Beta and  
> have
> found that I don't  seem to  to have the sort of clouds that  
> Celeste
> recognises.
 This could be a problem with celeste as you say, or something wrong
 with the build or installation.  Can you upload these two photos
 somewhere?
>>
 --
 Bruno
> >


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[hugin-ptx] Re: [OSX] hugin-mac-2009.4.0-Beta1 for download

[grow]

OK,

Here they are:
   http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/5-of-9_IMG_0052.jpg?hl=en-GB
   http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/4-of-9_IMG_0049.jpg?hl=en-GB

As for the other error - the crashing Enblend  running out of memory -
I re-ran the stitch at 10,000 x 5,000 and it worked OK  ... I can live
with that.

all the best

George

On 7 Oct, 01:18, Yuval Levy  wrote:
> hi George,
>
> try with high quality JPEG. if we can't reproduce the error, you can
> always upload the heavier TIFFs in a second time.
>
> thanks for your effort
> Yuv
>
>
>
> grow wrote:
> > Bruno,
>
> >>   Can you upload these two photos somewhere?
>
> > I am happy to do so ... at present they are 16-bit TIFF files and are
> > each 70+Mb ... do you think that their size/resolution/TIFF-ness might
> > would be significant?  If so I can upload them onto one of my sites
> > and provide a link ... if not and high-quality JPEGs would do I could
> > make those and upload them here.
>
> > all the best
>
> > George
>
> > On Oct 6, 8:56 pm, Bruno Postle  wrote:
> >> On Tue 06-Oct-2009 at 07:18 -0700, grow wrote:
>
> >>> This should probably have gone on a thread about Celetse  ... but I am
> >>> working on that panorama I mentioned with the current Beta and have
> >>> found that I don't  seem to  to have the sort of clouds that Celeste
> >>> recognises.
> >> This could be a problem with celeste as you say, or something wrong
> >> with the build or installation.  Can you upload these two photos
> >> somewhere?
>
> >> --
> >> Bruno
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[hugin-ptx] Re: [OSX] hugin-mac-2009.4.0-Beta1 for download

[Yuval Levy]

hi George,

try with high quality JPEG. if we can't reproduce the error, you can 
always upload the heavier TIFFs in a second time.

thanks for your effort
Yuv

grow wrote:
> Bruno,
> 
>>   Can you upload these two photos somewhere?
> 
> I am happy to do so ... at present they are 16-bit TIFF files and are
> each 70+Mb ... do you think that their size/resolution/TIFF-ness might
> would be significant?  If so I can upload them onto one of my sites
> and provide a link ... if not and high-quality JPEGs would do I could
> make those and upload them here.
> 
> all the best
> 
> George
> 
> On Oct 6, 8:56 pm, Bruno Postle  wrote:
>> On Tue 06-Oct-2009 at 07:18 -0700, grow wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> This should probably have gone on a thread about Celetse  ... but I am
>>> working on that panorama I mentioned with the current Beta and have
>>> found that I don't  seem to  to have the sort of clouds that Celeste
>>> recognises.
>> This could be a problem with celeste as you say, or something wrong
>> with the build or installation.  Can you upload these two photos
>> somewhere?
>>
>> --
>> Bruno
> > 


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[hugin-ptx] Re: [OSX] hugin-mac-2009.4.0-Beta1 for download

[grow]

Bruno,

>   Can you upload these two photos somewhere?

I am happy to do so ... at present they are 16-bit TIFF files and are
each 70+Mb ... do you think that their size/resolution/TIFF-ness might
would be significant?  If so I can upload them onto one of my sites
and provide a link ... if not and high-quality JPEGs would do I could
make those and upload them here.

all the best

George

On Oct 6, 8:56 pm, Bruno Postle  wrote:
> On Tue 06-Oct-2009 at 07:18 -0700, grow wrote:
>
>
>
> >This should probably have gone on a thread about Celetse  ... but I am
> >working on that panorama I mentioned with the current Beta and have
> >found that I don't  seem to  to have the sort of clouds that Celeste
> >recognises.
>
> This could be a problem with celeste as you say, or something wrong
> with the build or installation.  Can you upload these two photos
> somewhere?
>
> --
> Bruno
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[hugin-ptx] Re: [OSX] hugin-mac-2009.4.0-Beta1 for download

[Bruno Postle]

On Tue 06-Oct-2009 at 07:18 -0700, grow wrote:
>
>This should probably have gone on a thread about Celetse  ... but I am
>working on that panorama I mentioned with the current Beta and have
>found that I don't  seem to  to have the sort of clouds that Celeste
>recognises.

This could be a problem with celeste as you say, or something wrong 
with the build or installation.  Can you upload these two photos 
somewhere?

-- 
Bruno

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[hugin-ptx] Re: [OSX] hugin-mac-2009.4.0-Beta1 for download

[grow]

This should probably have gone on a thread about Celetse  ... but I am
working on that panorama I mentioned with the current Beta and have
found that I don't  seem to  to have the sort of clouds that Celeste
recognises.

Below is a link to a picture of a set of control points generated by
Auto-pano-sift and panomatic ... AFTER running Celeste
  
http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/HuginCeleste.jpg?hl=en-GB&gsc=tTM7twsAAACES06oremCycFTHS5IuiY9
It seems that Celeste has removed none of the cloud-based control
points ...

Am I using it wrongly?
I just selected these two images in the Images tab and clicked "Run
Celeste"

all the best

George

On 6 Oct, 14:03, Harry van der Wolf  wrote:
> 2009/10/6 grow :
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Harry mentioned to me in an email that someone else was having a
> > problem with this Beta on a configuration like mine. So here is a
> > comment on my experience so far.
>
> > My configuration is:
> >  a Powermac G5 - dual 1.8Ghz with 5.5Gb RAM running Mac OS X
> > 10.4.11.
> > I have more RAM  (which would give me another 1.5Gb) and Mac OS X 10.5
> > waiting to be installed "some day when I am not busy"!  (I'll let you
> > know if that day ever arrives.)
>
> > So far this Beta 1 has worked OK for me.
> > The "Clean-up-Control Points" feature seems very powerful.  ...
> > However,  I have not yet done a project from scratch with it.
>
> > I re-opened the project for the panorama that I stitched for the
> > latest World Wide Panorama project:
> >    http://worldwidepanorama.org/wwp_rss/go/n5752
> > and added more control points and filtered out the bad ones and ran a
> > stitch at 10,000x 5,000 - it worked fine.
>
> > It was my usual workflow with 16mm fisheye images shot every 60°
> > horizontally + sky+ground ... but because of all the moving people I
> > took 7 horizontal shots and two floor shots and a ceiling shot.
>
> > Each "shot" was 3x bracketed-exposure, so that means (despite what it
> > says on the wwp page) there were 30 separate images.
>
> > I stitched it both ways - both fused-and-blended as well as blended-
> > and-fused. The final panorama was created in Photoshop as a
> > multi-layer mash-up with both of the full stitches with many of the
> > individual performers patched in from other intermediate images.
>
> > It could have been better - for example the halo around the dancer
> > with the white trousers ...  and if I am to print it - I will need a
> > better
> > version.
>
> > So last night  I added masks to a couple of the shots - that is (2x3=)
> > 6 images out of the 30 and did a bit more tweaking of control points.
> > I left the stitch running overnight - it  worked fine and has given me
> > both fused results and the masking will save me some of the Photoshop
> > editing.
>
> > Is it possible that this version is better at handling masks?
> > I didn't see any reference to either how Hugin sets up masks nor how
> > Enfuse/Enblend handle them.
>
> > But ... when I originally stitched this panorama with the previous
> > version I ended up deleting all the masks as it just kept crashing ...
> > having said that ...  the masks I have re-introduced are fairly
> > simple.
>
> > Today I will be stitching a simple (unbracketed) panorama next.  Just
> > 9 images however as it was shot next to a river with lots of people
> > moving around it
> > will probably require a few masks also!  I will come back and let you
> > know how it goes.
>
> > (Sorry if this has drifted back onto my apparent obsession with Alpha
> > Channel Masks.
> >  I feel like I am only ever here pointing out problems - but I
> > wouldn't be here at all if I didn't think that the work that you guys
> > do on Hugin was wonderful!)
>
> > all the best
>
> > George
>
> Hi George,
>
> Thanks a lot for your "testing report". I'm glad it works fine for you.
>
> Harry
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[hugin-ptx] Re: [OSX] hugin-mac-2009.4.0-Beta1 for download

[Harry van der Wolf]

2009/10/6 grow :
>
> Harry mentioned to me in an email that someone else was having a
> problem with this Beta on a configuration like mine. So here is a
> comment on my experience so far.
>
> My configuration is:
>  a Powermac G5 - dual 1.8Ghz with 5.5Gb RAM running Mac OS X
> 10.4.11.
> I have more RAM  (which would give me another 1.5Gb) and Mac OS X 10.5
> waiting to be installed "some day when I am not busy"!  (I'll let you
> know if that day ever arrives.)
>
> So far this Beta 1 has worked OK for me.
> The "Clean-up-Control Points" feature seems very powerful.  ...
> However,  I have not yet done a project from scratch with it.
>
> I re-opened the project for the panorama that I stitched for the
> latest World Wide Panorama project:
>    http://worldwidepanorama.org/wwp_rss/go/n5752
> and added more control points and filtered out the bad ones and ran a
> stitch at 10,000x 5,000 - it worked fine.
>
> It was my usual workflow with 16mm fisheye images shot every 60°
> horizontally + sky+ground ... but because of all the moving people I
> took 7 horizontal shots and two floor shots and a ceiling shot.
>
> Each "shot" was 3x bracketed-exposure, so that means (despite what it
> says on the wwp page) there were 30 separate images.
>
> I stitched it both ways - both fused-and-blended as well as blended-
> and-fused. The final panorama was created in Photoshop as a
> multi-layer mash-up with both of the full stitches with many of the
> individual performers patched in from other intermediate images.
>
> It could have been better - for example the halo around the dancer
> with the white trousers ...  and if I am to print it - I will need a
> better
> version.
>
> So last night  I added masks to a couple of the shots - that is (2x3=)
> 6 images out of the 30 and did a bit more tweaking of control points.
> I left the stitch running overnight - it  worked fine and has given me
> both fused results and the masking will save me some of the Photoshop
> editing.
>
> Is it possible that this version is better at handling masks?
> I didn't see any reference to either how Hugin sets up masks nor how
> Enfuse/Enblend handle them.
>
> But ... when I originally stitched this panorama with the previous
> version I ended up deleting all the masks as it just kept crashing ...
> having said that ...  the masks I have re-introduced are fairly
> simple.
>
> Today I will be stitching a simple (unbracketed) panorama next.  Just
> 9 images however as it was shot next to a river with lots of people
> moving around it
> will probably require a few masks also!  I will come back and let you
> know how it goes.
>
> (Sorry if this has drifted back onto my apparent obsession with Alpha
> Channel Masks.
>  I feel like I am only ever here pointing out problems - but I
> wouldn't be here at all if I didn't think that the work that you guys
> do on Hugin was wonderful!)
>
> all the best
>
> George
>
>

Hi George,

Thanks a lot for your "testing report". I'm glad it works fine for you.

Harry

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[hugin-ptx] Re: [OSX] hugin-mac-2009.4.0-Beta1 for download

[grow]

Harry mentioned to me in an email that someone else was having a
problem with this Beta on a configuration like mine. So here is a
comment on my experience so far.

My configuration is:
 a Powermac G5 - dual 1.8Ghz with 5.5Gb RAM running Mac OS X
10.4.11.
I have more RAM  (which would give me another 1.5Gb) and Mac OS X 10.5
waiting to be installed "some day when I am not busy"!  (I'll let you
know if that day ever arrives.)

So far this Beta 1 has worked OK for me.
The "Clean-up-Control Points" feature seems very powerful.  ...
However,  I have not yet done a project from scratch with it.

I re-opened the project for the panorama that I stitched for the
latest World Wide Panorama project:
http://worldwidepanorama.org/wwp_rss/go/n5752
and added more control points and filtered out the bad ones and ran a
stitch at 10,000x 5,000 - it worked fine.

It was my usual workflow with 16mm fisheye images shot every 60°
horizontally + sky+ground ... but because of all the moving people I
took 7 horizontal shots and two floor shots and a ceiling shot.

Each "shot" was 3x bracketed-exposure, so that means (despite what it
says on the wwp page) there were 30 separate images.

I stitched it both ways - both fused-and-blended as well as blended-
and-fused. The final panorama was created in Photoshop as a
multi-layer mash-up with both of the full stitches with many of the
individual performers patched in from other intermediate images.

It could have been better - for example the halo around the dancer
with the white trousers ...  and if I am to print it - I will need a
better
version.

So last night  I added masks to a couple of the shots - that is (2x3=)
6 images out of the 30 and did a bit more tweaking of control points.
I left the stitch running overnight - it  worked fine and has given me
both fused results and the masking will save me some of the Photoshop
editing.

Is it possible that this version is better at handling masks?
I didn't see any reference to either how Hugin sets up masks nor how
Enfuse/Enblend handle them.

But ... when I originally stitched this panorama with the previous
version I ended up deleting all the masks as it just kept crashing ...
having said that ...  the masks I have re-introduced are fairly
simple.

Today I will be stitching a simple (unbracketed) panorama next.  Just
9 images however as it was shot next to a river with lots of people
moving around it
will probably require a few masks also!  I will come back and let you
know how it goes.

(Sorry if this has drifted back onto my apparent obsession with Alpha
Channel Masks.
  I feel like I am only ever here pointing out problems - but I
wouldn't be here at all if I didn't think that the work that you guys
do on Hugin was wonderful!)

all the best

George

On 4 Oct, 04:35, AKS-Gmail-IMAP  wrote:
> Thank you again for your seemingly tireless efforts to compile Hugin  
> OS X.  I have been stitching scores of rough hand held images lately  
> and there have been a few very difficult scenes that would not come  
> together without considerable effort.  I tested this new version on  
> the worst of these. The new Clean Points feature makes an amazing  
> difference. These difficult scenes were now previewing right after the  
> first optimization pass.
>
> Thanks,
> Allan
>
> On Oct 3, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Harry van der Wolf wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Mac users,
>
> > I just published the new 32bit Hugin 2009.4-Beta1 bundle.
>
> > See the Changelog: 
> > 
> > Note: This build features the new Autopano generator setup.
>
> > Please test and give feedback.
>
> > Information and binaries via my website
> >  > >.
> > (The binaries itself are, as always, served from hugin.panotools.org  
> > who kindly provide the disk space and bandwidth).
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[hugin-ptx] Re: [OSX] hugin-mac-2009.4.0-Beta1 for download

[AKS-Gmail-IMAP]

Thank you again for your seemingly tireless efforts to compile Hugin  
OS X.  I have been stitching scores of rough hand held images lately  
and there have been a few very difficult scenes that would not come  
together without considerable effort.  I tested this new version on  
the worst of these. The new Clean Points feature makes an amazing  
difference. These difficult scenes were now previewing right after the  
first optimization pass.

Thanks,
Allan


On Oct 3, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Harry van der Wolf wrote:

> Hi Mac users,
>
> I just published the new 32bit Hugin 2009.4-Beta1 bundle.
>
> See the Changelog: 
>   
> >
>
> Note: This build features the new Autopano generator setup.
>
>
> Please test and give feedback.
>
> Information and binaries via my website
>  >.
> (The binaries itself are, as always, served from hugin.panotools.org  
> who kindly provide the disk space and bandwidth).


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