Re: [hugin-ptx] Broken Layout
Gnome Nomad schrieb am 04.03.11 08:55: Jeffrey Martin wrote: On this note, If I made a real attempt to redesign some elements of hugin, UI-wise i mean, would anyone be interested in trying to implement it? (If anyone agreed with the suggestions of course) I think everyone can admit that Hugin looks like it was designed by engineers. Because, I guess, it was! :-) And in usability terms, it does a great job for taking users through the steps needed to create a panorama. This could be more or less correct for the more advanced users but I also think there is still some room for improvement. I'd like to help improve it visually. Hmm, I don't see anything broken about the UI. Eye candy for eye candy's sake does not improve anything. I don't think Jeffrey wants to achieve eye candy here. You haven't seen his self built pano head! ;-) As an example why do important UI elements vanish if I switch the main window into fullscreen mode? Or why don't we have a thumbnail in the cameralens tab? So I have to go back to the images tab to identify one or more images. Since my selection in this tab is not remembered in the other tab I have to make notes of the respective image numbers so I can select them again. In optimizer tab I can select or deselect a whole row only. Why can't I click/hold and drag the mouse to select consecutive image numbers? Or cmd-click non consecutive image numbers to select/deselect them? I'd also love to see the file name as tooltip when hovering over an image number. Also in optimizer tab the rows for e.g. 'd' and 'e' could be exchanged with 'universal' rows so I don't need to manually tweak the script to optimize for something like 'g' or 't': this could be accomplished with a drop down list of available parameters instead of the row title. Carl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Broken Layout
i guess you're an engineer then ;-))) Clean UI != eye candy designed by engineers != clean UI clean UI != designed by engineers (usually) On Friday, March 4, 2011 8:55:46 AM UTC+1, GnomeNomad wrote: Jeffrey Martin wrote: On this note, If I made a real attempt to redesign some elements of hugin, UI-wise i mean, would anyone be interested in trying to implement it? (If anyone agreed with the suggestions of course) I think everyone can admit that Hugin looks like it was designed by engineers. Because, I guess, it was! :-) And in usability terms, it does a great job for taking users through the steps needed to create a panorama. I'd like to help improve it visually. Hmm, I don't see anything broken about the UI. Eye candy for eye candy's sake does not improve anything. -- Gnome Nomad gnome...@gmail.com wandering the landscape of god http://www.cafepress.com/otherend/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Broken Layout
Nope. Creative writing, art, web design, and long ago some UI design. Jeffrey Martin wrote: i guess you're an engineer then ;-))) Clean UI != eye candy designed by engineers != clean UI clean UI != designed by engineers (usually) On Friday, March 4, 2011 8:55:46 AM UTC+1, GnomeNomad wrote: Jeffrey Martin wrote: On this note, If I made a real attempt to redesign some elements of hugin, UI-wise i mean, would anyone be interested in trying to implement it? (If anyone agreed with the suggestions of course) I think everyone can admit that Hugin looks like it was designed by engineers. Because, I guess, it was! :-) And in usability terms, it does a great job for taking users through the steps needed to create a panorama. I'd like to help improve it visually. Hmm, I don't see anything broken about the UI. Eye candy for eye candy's sake does not improve anything. -- Gnome Nomad gnome...@gmail.com wandering the landscape of god http://www.cafepress.com/ otherend/ http://www.cafepress.com/otherend/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -- Gnome Nomad gnomeno...@gmail.com wandering the landscape of god http://www.cafepress.com/otherend/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Broken Layout
On this note, If I made a real attempt to redesign some elements of hugin, UI-wise i mean, would anyone be interested in trying to implement it? (If anyone agreed with the suggestions of course) I think everyone can admit that Hugin looks like it was designed by engineers. Because, I guess, it was! :-) I'd like to help improve it visually. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Broken Layout
On Thu 03-Mar-2011 at 08:40 -0800, Jeffrey Martin wrote: If I made a real attempt to redesign some elements of hugin, UI-wise i mean, would anyone be interested in trying to implement it? (If anyone agreed with the suggestions of course) I think everyone can admit that Hugin looks like it was designed by engineers. Because, I guess, it was! :-) I'd like to help improve it visually. Go ahead, I suggest starting with screenshots and moving things around - There are lots of functions that are in the wrong places. -- Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Broken Layout
Jeffrey Martin wrote: On this note, If I made a real attempt to redesign some elements of hugin, UI-wise i mean, would anyone be interested in trying to implement it? (If anyone agreed with the suggestions of course) I think everyone can admit that Hugin looks like it was designed by engineers. Because, I guess, it was! :-) And in usability terms, it does a great job for taking users through the steps needed to create a panorama. I'd like to help improve it visually. Hmm, I don't see anything broken about the UI. Eye candy for eye candy's sake does not improve anything. -- Gnome Nomad gnomeno...@gmail.com wandering the landscape of god http://www.cafepress.com/otherend/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Broken Layout
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 09:04:53AM -0500, Yuval Levy wrote: 1. 800x480 minimum screen size I'd go one bigger (1024x600). We can demand that users have a reasonable screen when working with a graphical application. It should work smoothly at 1024x600, and be usable (i.e. no buttons permanently out of view) at even lower resolutions. (e.g. having to work with a window larger than the screensize and moving the window around counts as unusable) Roger. -- ** r.e.wo...@bitwizard.nl ** http://www.BitWizard.nl/ ** +31-15-2600998 ** **Delftechpark 26 2628 XH Delft, The Netherlands. KVK: 27239233** *-- BitWizard writes Linux device drivers for any device you may have! --* Q: It doesn't work. A: Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Is it unemployed? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. - Adapted from lxrbot FAQ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Broken Layout
On February 28, 2011 04:36:35 am Rogier Wolff wrote: On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 09:04:53AM -0500, Yuval Levy wrote: 1. 800x480 minimum screen size I'd go one bigger (1024x600). No. I want to use it on a 1GHz ARM Android without having to buy an expensive high resolution or large display. There are plenty of such devices on the market and more are coming, faster and better, with the same screen size of 800x480. We can demand that users have a reasonable screen when working with a graphical application. We can demand plenty of things but we can support more. This is not pixel detailed photo editing. This is not for your gigapixel panoramas. This is stitching. I want a traveler to be able to point a Galaxy S cell phone around a couple of times and stitch a few pics on the spot to share right away via flickr. The more complex work can be saved for later, at home, on dual screen workstations. It should work smoothly at 1024x600, and be usable (i.e. no buttons permanently out of view) at even lower resolutions. (e.g. having to work with a window larger than the screensize and moving the window around counts as unusable) now you are absolutely inconsistent with your previous statement. Either it works at lower resolutions or it does not. And indeed you are right that moving the window around counts as unusable. We can make elements dockable and floatable; or we can make individual windows scrollable (in one direction only, carefully designed to be consistent and understandable); or we can split into even more tabs; but the mix and match we have now is just confusing and when elements are out of sight they are also out of mind because of this lacking indication of where the page continues. Yuv signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [hugin-ptx] Broken Layout
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 07:56:19AM -0500, Yuval Levy wrote: We can demand that users have a reasonable screen when working with a graphical application. We can demand plenty of things but we can support more. This is not pixel detailed photo editing. This is not for your gigapixel panoramas. This is stitching. I want a traveler to be able to point a Galaxy S cell phone around a couple of times and stitch a few pics on the spot to share right away via flickr. The more complex work can be saved for later, at home, on dual screen workstations. OK. Different usage model/mode. Agreed, you've got me convinced. It should work smoothly at 1024x600, and be usable (i.e. no buttons permanently out of view) at even lower resolutions. (e.g. having to work with a window larger than the screensize and moving the window around counts as unusable) now you are absolutely inconsistent with your previous statement. Either it works at lower resolutions or it does not. And indeed you are right that moving the window around counts as unusable. Back in 2000 when I had my website designed, I emphasized that it should work on 640x480, but that it should work smoothly on 800x600 and up. That was a workable solution: Some (unimportant) data falls off the side at 640x480, everything is in view at 800x600, and all screen-realestate is used at higher resolutions. That's (IMHO) the proper way to have things. So... If seldomn used options are not visible by default, but reachable by scrolling that makes the application usable, but maybe not smoothly. For the lowest resolutions (at or below the minimum) that's acceptable. So, with your current suggestion that we have a vertically scrolling window if it doesn't fit on the screen: great. But possibly some tabs need just over 800 pixels horizontally. So although the gui design guideline says that it should be frowned upon, we might have a horizontal scrollbar just for the lowest (or below the lowest) resolution. Roger. -- ** r.e.wo...@bitwizard.nl ** http://www.BitWizard.nl/ ** +31-15-2600998 ** **Delftechpark 26 2628 XH Delft, The Netherlands. KVK: 27239233** *-- BitWizard writes Linux device drivers for any device you may have! --* Q: It doesn't work. A: Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Is it unemployed? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. - Adapted from lxrbot FAQ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
