Re: [IAEP] meetup in Europe
Hi, On Dienstag, 7. April 2009, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 02:44:07AM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Have you considered driving to Paris? Yes, I have (see my first reply). Unless someone else is coming with us (and providing a car), I would need to check with our carsharing club I dont have a car (but a drivers licence) and would like to join you in Hamburg (if the meeting is on May 16th in Paris). regards, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] meetup in Europe
There is another advantage to Paris: I have contacts there and could organize media coverage. This would fit in nicely with the 4-6 week interval news rhythm with the goal of building our public awareness: * March 16th: 0.84 launch * April 10th: SoaS beta at FOSSVT * May 16th: SugarCamp Europe * June 24th: LinuxTag Sean On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: Hi, On Dienstag, 7. April 2009, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 02:44:07AM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Have you considered driving to Paris? Yes, I have (see my first reply). Unless someone else is coming with us (and providing a car), I would need to check with our carsharing club I dont have a car (but a drivers licence) and would like to join you in Hamburg (if the meeting is on May 16th in Paris). regards, Holger ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Budget.
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 23:28, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Last week, I set the rather abstract goal of raising $100,000US for Sugar Labs. $100,000 seems like a reasonable number for a project in its second year. Last year, Sugar Labs proved that it could get a surprisingly large amount of development accomplished with very little money. As for direct spending, I believe that Sugar Labs should focus it's resources entirely on community and ecosystem development. A strong community and ecosystem means more Sugar related job! The primary method for us to strengthen the community is through travel stipends to enable contributors to meet face to face. The primary method for us to build the ecosystem is to send ambassadors, such as Walter, to meet with potential partners. So far Walter has been covering his much of his own travel expenses:( The second method for building both the community and ecosystem is getting out the word through marketing. As a starting point I suggest that we spend approximately 70% on travel and 30% on marketing. Sounds good to me to spend this way instead of paying developers because the developers that are now investing their time without being paid (or at least me) is because they believe there's a big market potential on Sugar. We are pushing the wheel now in the hope it will spin by itself soon, and I expect that efforts in marketing and outreach will help reach that point sooner. Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: soas on classmate
Can you boot image from the drive with qemu and what happens? to install qemu sudo apt-get install qemu sudo qemu /dev/sdc My usb-drive is sdc here an can boot in qemu. FYI-1 I have seen about 10-20% of first attemps not working. That's why i wack the mbr of zero that whole drive. FYI-2 there are usb-drives/flashdrives that can't boot. To find out you need to play a little with other hardware to find the failing part. Swapping parts is generally a fast way. And qemu can also help to isolate issues. Kind regards, Marten On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 13:18 +1000, Mitchell Seaton wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Is it this problem? http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/421 How much of the boot do you get through? No boot. I simply get Missing operating system. I select to boot from usb: Sony etc, and immediately shows this screen. If so I have some questions that might help us gather data. 1. Did you burn your stick on windows or linux? Using Ubuntu 8.10 with livecd-iso-to-disk script, 2. FAT or FAT32 format. And actually we know that in your case. 4GB can only be FAT32. If you have a 1 or 2GB stick, try formatting it FAT before you burn and let me know if that works. Cleared the MBR, reformatted as FAT (32) using mkfs.vfat. Changed default to linux0 in syslinux.cfg. USB has two directories: LiveOS and syslinux directories. Still having the same problem occurring. Cheers, Mitch thanks, Caroline On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Mitchell Seaton meaton.2v +i...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Recently I've been trying to load SoaS (http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas1-200903232259.iso) onto a Classmate-2 laptop that we have here at my work. Following the instructions on the wiki (Sugar on a Stick/Installation) using using live iso to disk script, I created the USB (on a Sony 4GB Stick). However, booting from the USB on the Classmate I have the following msg Missing operating system. I know there are some examples of SoaS working out there in the community I was wondering if there maybe some steps I'm missing. I will try with different USB or SD card shortly. I have yet to try to boot on another machine so far. Regards, Mitchell Seaton ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Budget.
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 02:52, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Am 06.04.2009 um 23:28 schrieb David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org: Last week, I set the rather abstract goal of raising $100,000US for Sugar Labs. $100,000 seems like a reasonable number for a project in its second year. Last year, Sugar Labs proved that it could get a surprisingly large amount of development accomplished with very little money. As for direct spending, I believe that Sugar Labs should focus it's resources entirely on community and ecosystem development. Mmm, personally I'd say that at least a third of Sugar Labs' budget should go towards actual development. All of that traveling and outreach becomes somewhat of a moot point when the actual platform we're building a community around and marketing doesn't work as advertised/expected. In my view, it's a question of amounts. Some rough numbers from a US perspective: paying a software developer a salary of $50,000 a year, much lower than industry standard for the skill and experience we require, typically costs the payer about $100,000 a year due to payroll taxes, health insurance, and business paperwork expenses. That's David's entire imaginary budget. Well, actually OLPC spent less than $50k a year on me at some point. I know that NN said that Sugar was a too expensive business for OLPC but you cannot believe anything he says about Sugar... Keep also in mind that about 90% (or more?) of OLPC's software development budget must have been spent in non-Sugar stuff. In other words, if OLPC hadn't invested in Sugar at all and had gone straight to deploy plain GNOME, they would have had to pay anyway kernel hackers, OFW wizards, linux generalists, localization organizers, etc. When OLPC said that they had doubled the Sugar workforce last June it was just FUD because none of the people they contracted got to actually work on Sugar. And not only they had many times more people working on non-Sugar stuff, but each of them must have cost them much more, by your counts of how much costs a software developer in the US. But I don't think that paying developers should come from SLs budget anyway for the reasons I wrote in an earlier email. Also, I think it's important to remember that Sugar Labs has never received a development grant from any granting agency and Sugar has never been associated with any profitable entity. Walter has diligently applied for many grants for educational software development but (as far as I am aware) none have been accepted. OLPC and Red Hat spent way more money on Sugar development than they made back. Sugar has not been a profitable enterprise. True, but you may be missing the point that there are people in this world that would actually be benefited if they spent money on Sugar: - governments and other organizations deploying Sugar. They are already paying big money in support costs because Sugar could be better tailored to their realities. Also, they could get more bang (education) for their money if they improved Sugar themselves. - deployers of computers in education that are losing sales because they don't have the selling edge they could have if Sugar was part of their product portfolio. - schools and other owners of computers that aren't being used or are underutilized because the software in them isn't compelling enough for being used in their educational context. - more? I have zero business knowledge and have no idea how money will finally flow between those who have it and those who can use it to improve Sugar, but I feel it like if enough potential accumulates, things will start moving by themselves soon. About grants, this may be of interest: http://www.stormyscorner.com/2009/04/supporting-free-software-with-grant-money.html Currently we have no money, and no path by which we may particularly expect to get money, so all talk of spending it is a bit premature. Agreed. Paying the core developers enough to work full time on Sugar would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. The obvious question is: what can we buy for less? I don't think we can reasonably buy the time of people who already have full-time jobs. That leaves two types of people: contractors and interns. Professional software development contractors typically charge very high rates, probably not affordable to us. Student interns are cheap: perhaps $3000 for three months of work. It seems reasonable to me that Sugar Labs could offer summer internships, to go beyond the number of slots offered through Google Summer of Code. Such a program would serve to enhance community development and potentially add some value to Sugar. However, interns are unlikely to have much luck making Sugar work as advertised, because core features and core debugging require familiarity with a large codebase that is beyond most
Re: [IAEP] meetup in Europe
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 09:25, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: there's no furniture right now... and it's a 3-bedroom duplex with 2 full baths, so on a sleeping-bag crashpad basis, 5 or 10 or 15 (!) I could bring down a couple of mattresses from Brussels. And, of course, a coffee machine and a skillet for my legendary brunch :-) Looks pretty good! However, no internet access since there is no connected phone line :-( although I could possibly arrange something. I can bring an AP with usb and ethernet ports. Regards, Tomeu Sean On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 08:55, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: There is another advantage to Paris: I have contacts there and could organize media coverage. I think this is quite a strong reason. Also, my organization skills would only excel in providing good beer, while Sean is surely capable of more. Sean, how many people could be hosted in your apartment? Regards, Tomeu This would fit in nicely with the 4-6 week interval news rhythm with the goal of building our public awareness: * March 16th: 0.84 launch * April 10th: SoaS beta at FOSSVT * May 16th: SugarCamp Europe * June 24th: LinuxTag Sean On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: Hi, On Dienstag, 7. April 2009, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 02:44:07AM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Have you considered driving to Paris? Yes, I have (see my first reply). Unless someone else is coming with us (and providing a car), I would need to check with our carsharing club I dont have a car (but a drivers licence) and would like to join you in Hamburg (if the meeting is on May 16th in Paris). regards, Holger ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] meetup in Europe
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 08:26:01AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: I dont have a car (but a drivers licence) and would like to join you in Hamburg (if the meeting is on May 16th in Paris). I'm afraid what won't make much sense (as much as I'd like to visit Hamburg again) as we're starting from Tübingen/Stuttgart, i.e. the other end of Germany. Hamburg is even further away than Paris... But maybe you can team up with Sebastian (Hannover) or Simon (Berlin)... CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Testing of EeePC900 with Soas2-200904031934 revised
Here are some testing results, Please copy Tom on replies he is not on the
IAEP list.
Thanks,
Caroline
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Thomas C Gilliard
satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote:
yes many times with persistance and separate home the last 2 on Soas2
archive on worked fine.
Soas2-200904031934.iso sees USB drives and reads them to journal
Soas2-200904062216.iso does not see the USB's
I am using IRC now as EeePC-a505 with a 2 GB firefly on my EeePC900 with
Soas2-200904062216.iso
I see george on the F1 screen but he does not join me on Chat
Caroline Meeks wrote:
hi,
are you reportig you have successfully created a bootable Soas2?
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Thomas C Gilliard
satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote:
*I used Ubuntu Hardy partition editor to delete all info on 2GB USB
sticks and then make a primary partition 16 fat and then set boot flag
begfore begining.
works with 2Gb firefly ,Lexar (with indicator of use bar) plus Sandisk SD
2GB sucessfully, also cheap PNY 1GB USB stick
*
New scripts:
rob...@robert-hardy:~$ cd Desktop/Soas2
rob...@robert-hardy:~/Desktop/Soas2$ sudo ./livecd-iso-to-disk.sh
--noverify --overlay-size-mb 500 --home-size-mb 500 --unencrypted-home
Soas2-200904062216.iso /dev/sdb1
[sudo] password for robert:
sudo: ./livecd-iso-to-disk.sh: command not found
rob...@robert-hardy:~/Desktop/Soas2$ sudo ./livecd-iso-to-disk.sh
--noverify --overlay-size-mb 500 --home-size-mb 500 --unencrypted-home
Soas2-200904062216.iso /dev/sdb1
sudo: ./livecd-iso-to-disk.sh: command not found
rob...@robert-hardy:~/Desktop/Soas2$ sudo ./livecd-iso-to-disk.sh
--noverify --overlay-size-mb 500 --home-size-mb 500 --unencrypted-home
Soas2-200904062216.iso /dev/sdb1
sudo: ./livecd-iso-to-disk.sh: command not found
This is how the old script works:
rob...@robert-hardy:~/Desktop/Soas2$ sudo ./livecd-iso-to-disk.sh
--noverify --overlay-size-mb 500 --home-size-mb 500 --unencrypted-home
Soas2-200904062216.iso /dev/sdb1
Copying live image to USB stick
Updating boot config file
Initializing persistent overlay file
500+0 records in
500+0 records out
524288000 bytes (524 MB) copied, 55.3125 s, 9.5 MB/s
Initializing persistent /home
500+0 records in
500+0 records out
524288000 bytes (524 MB) copied, 58.4283 s, 9.0 MB/s
Formatting unencrypted /home
mke2fs 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008)
Filesystem label=
OS type: Linux
Block size=1024 (log=0)
Fragment size=1024 (log=0)
128016 inodes, 512000 blocks
25600 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user
First data block=1
Maximum filesystem blocks=67633152
63 block groups
8192 blocks per group, 8192 fragments per group
2032 inodes per group
Superblock backups stored on blocks:
8193, 24577, 40961, 57345, 73729, 204801, 221185, 401409
Writing inode tables: done
Creating journal (8192 blocks): done
Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done
This filesystem will be automatically checked every 23 mounts or
180 days, whichever comes first. Use tune2fs -c or -i to override.
tune2fs 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008)
Setting maximal mount count to -1
Setting interval between checks to 0 seconds
Installing boot loader
USB stick set up as live image!
rob...@robert-hardy:~/Desktop/Soas2$
Caroline Meeks wrote:
What did you see on your screen when it didn't work.
Thanks,
CAroline
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Thomas C Gilliard
satel...@bendbroadband.com satel...@bendbroadband.com
wrote:
Caroline;
The last 2 scripts: {livecd-iso-to-disk.sh} accessed from the Sugar on a
stick wiki page DO NOT SEEM TO WORK anymore:
Modified: 04 Apr 2009 06:22:06 19.9 KB works
I am attaching the good old version:
Also Soas2-200904062216.iso ( the latest listed)
works but no longer sees USB and SD cards
But Soas2-200904031934.iso Did...
Hope this helps.
I am not sure where to send this info, so I am sending it to you.
Tom Gilliard
Bend Or
Caroline Meeks wrote:
Sounds like good results! Thanks Tom.
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Thomas C Gilliard
satel...@bendbroadband.com satel...@bendbroadband.com
satel...@bendbroadband.com satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote:
I am a G1G1 enthusiast who has followed sugar's development from the first
OLPC introduction. I ordered 2 of the first series of G1G1 so I could test
jabber connections and follow your project.
I just set my Lexar 2GB Soas2-20090403194 to your
Jabber:schoolserver.solutiongrove.com ( was monitoring irc# when I saw your
jabber address mentioned as being active)
I could see 3 addresses:
soas1A
Red SoaS2
daveb-soas1-20090323
I am using a EeePC900 netbook.
I used the command:
sudo ./livecd-iso-to-disk.sh --noverify --overlay-size-mb 500
--home-size-mb 500 --unencrypted-home Soas2-200904031934.iso /dev/sdb1
(the ./livecd-iso-to-disk.sh file is the latest one which is for Fedora
10.94 (11beta) the older /sh file is for Soas1 it seems)
To program the 2GB stick.
I use a
[IAEP] Fwd: Interactive Learning Activities/Experiences for Young Children - C4C Design Competition - Entries due April 30, 2009
-- Forwarded message -- From: Thomas C. Reeves tree...@uga.edu Date: Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:06 PM Subject: Interactive Learning Activities/Experiences for Young Children - C4C Design Competition - Entries due April 30, 2009 To: itfo...@listserv.uga.edu The Chamber of Commerce of Como will sponsor the C4C (Como for Children) Competition for Ideas at IDC 2009 ( http://www.idc09.polimi.it/c4c.html ). The Competition addresses interaction design in the context of pre-schools, and is part of a wider project of the Chamber of Commerce wishing to promote a strong innovation of the approach to education for young children. *We look for (short) proposals considering either the vision of an* *interactive pre-school of the future*, *or the design of specific applications or installations or learning activities/experiences for children at pre-school*. Winners will be offered free conference registration plus 2 nights in hotel in Como for 2 people and will present their proposals in a special plenary session on June 5th, followed by a special reception for all IDC09 participants in the wonderful Villa Grumello (www.villadelgrumello.it), kindly offered by the Chamber of Commerce. Last but not least, the authors of the best proposals will have the chance to have a true impact in the real world, by cooperating with the Chamber of Commerce in the joint development and implementation of their ideas in the context of the C4C project. We look forward to your proposals! Warm regards Paolo Paolini - IDC 2009 Chair For information about this list, including archives and how to unsubscribe, please go to the ITFORUM web site: http://it.coe.uga.edu/itforum/ -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] [Invitation] Testing SoaS-2 @ Wed A pr 8 10am – 12pm (i...@lists.sugarlabs. org)
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