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On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 09:40:53PM +0500, Ashar Iqbal wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
 On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 08:35:05PM +0500, Ashar Iqbal wrote:
I have got a laptop with a VIA C3 cpu. This needs i386 based 
software. Any suggestions as to how to install / run Sugar on this?

 Packaging Sugar for Debian, which has 486 kernel and openchrome 
 driver, but Sugar is not currently up-to-date.


If you are recommending Debian, then please let me have a pointer at 
what to download. How about Ubuntu (since that is a Debian derivative) 
- would this work ?

If you find it acceptable to play with the older stable 0.82 release of 
Sugar for now, then I would certainly recommend Debian.

If you want the latest stable 0.84 release of Sugar or newer 0.85 
unstable work, and is willing to do some compilation yourself, then I 
would recommend Debian as well.

On the other hand, if you want up-to-date Sugar in a simple way, then I 
have no recommendation for you: I suspect that most if not all of the 
fast-moving distros like SoaS and Ubuntu care less about wide support, 
so might not handle your hardware properly.

Generally, your options for running up-to-date Sugar are...:

   1) Use SoaS on similar hardware as Sugar developers
   2) Use distro with Sugar 0.84 on 1-2 year old mainstream hardware
   3) Try various Sugar 0.84 live distros and be lucky
   4) Try various Sugar 0.84 non-live distros
   5) Try various other distros mixed with unofficial Sugar packages
   6) Try various other distros and build Sugar yourself using jhbuild


If you are interested in trying out Debian, then see more info here: 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Debian

(hint: other distros have similar pages)

(hint: Sugar might be in _better_ shape than documented: wiki page might 
not be up-to-date)


Hope that helps.


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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:22, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
Congrats, Marten!

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:10, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing solution we use at openSUSE to get increcremental images,
ie... you have an older version of SOAS or sugar or whatever image,
but you want a newer one, well solution is to use rsync, but this
would need to be enabled by the host (ie wherever all this is being
hosted downloaded from [bernie, caroline?]):

AFAIK this won't work with the current images because we are using
squashfs and it's not working well with rsync and binary deltas.

What's using OpenSUSE instead of squashfs?

More info about why rsync'ing soas images won't save bandwidth:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2009-March/msg4.html

Regards,

Tomeu

Regards,

Tomeu

First check the latest image at:

(This definetly works with openSUSE where sugar is completely
integrated, even with an icon on the desktop that takes you straight
into sugar from the desktop. The address for either SugarSuse or
openSUSE-edu is here:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/ )

The Soas images (snapshots, ie latests sugar) are here as far as I can
tell: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/

Copy old image with exactly same name as new image available:

cp oldimage.iso exact-name-new-image-is.iso

Run rsync again to patch it:

rsync -avP
rsync://mirror.leaseweb.com/opensuse/repositories/Education/images/iso/exact-name-new-image-is.iso
.

Dot at the end with space before it is part of the command.

This will download only the bytes that have changed, which in some
cases is just few MBs, saving few GBs of download.

Obviously p2p is another good solution to get initial images going if
a couple of people choose to upload to linuxtracker.org or
something...

kind Regards,
David (Nubae) Van Assche

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote:
Dear All,

In the last 24 hours I talked to 12 persons about Sugar.

- 6 persons have downloaded sugar and said to give feedback on Sugar

- I have send a request for testing to i-netw...@dgroups.org.
This is one the main mailinglistings in Africa.

My findings so far:
1. Asking people to help works. I ask can you help me. Can you download
an iso, burn it to cd, boot it, and give you opinion an email?
This is very effective in shifting from talking about to doing.

2. The download seems to be slow.

Possible sollution, shall I ask for bandwith to mirror the iso image?
Can someone make familiar with an optimal solution
(syncing/redirecting).

kind regards,
Marten

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Re: [IAEP] VIA C3 based laptop

2009-05-20 Thread Martin Langhoff

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
 SoaS boots on the XO, which is also not a i686. The kernel rpm name
 says i586 IIRC. I think it has a reasonable chance of working on
 C3s.

Actually, I'm probably wrong on this one.

Wad reminds me that XS images (also based on Fedora) lost Via C3
support somewhere around the F7 lifecycle. I haven't restested w F9
though.

Enough handwaving. Give it a test and tell us how it goes with the
various distros! ;-)




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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)

here's a list of VLC mirrors:

Twente University (Netherlands)
IRCAM (France)
Université de Strasbourg (France)
c...@ns, ENS Cachan (France)
Providence University (Taiwan)
Brno University of Technology (Czech Republic)
Pontifícia Universidade Católica do Paraná (Brazil)
University of Wisconsin - Madison (USA)
Root24 (Germany)
JAIST (Japan)
Yandex (Russia)
Armenian Datacom Company (Armenia)
Free (France)
Beyond !nnovation (USA)
HEAnet (Ireland)
Netmindz.net (United Kingdom)
Georgia Tech (USA)
Universitaet Mannheim (Germany)
LeaseWeb (Netherlands)
GigeNET (USA)
Secured Servers LLC (USA)
AussieHQ Pty Ltd (Australia)
Cogeco (Canada)
Bovenschen (Germany)
TJE (England)
CacheBoy (Netherlands)
CacheBoy (Belgium)
CacheBoy (Sweden)
CacheBoy (USA)
CacheBoy (Canada)
CacheBoy (New-Zealand)
CacheBoy (Australia)
CacheBoy (South Africa)



On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:22, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Congrats, Marten!

 On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:10, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote:
 One thing solution we use at openSUSE to get increcremental images,
 ie... you have an older version of SOAS or sugar or whatever image,
 but you want a newer one, well solution is to use rsync, but this
 would need to be enabled by the host (ie wherever all this is being
 hosted downloaded from [bernie, caroline?]):

 AFAIK this won't work with the current images because we are using
 squashfs and it's not working well with rsync and binary deltas.

 What's using OpenSUSE instead of squashfs?

 More info about why rsync'ing soas images won't save bandwidth:

 https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2009-March/msg4.html

 Regards,

 Tomeu

 Regards,

 Tomeu

 First check the latest image at:

 (This definetly works with openSUSE where sugar is completely
 integrated, even with an icon on the desktop that takes you straight
 into sugar from the desktop. The address for either SugarSuse or
 openSUSE-edu is here:
 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/ )

 The Soas images (snapshots, ie latests sugar) are here as far as I can
 tell: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/

 Copy old image with exactly same name as new image available:

 cp oldimage.iso exact-name-new-image-is.iso

 Run rsync again to patch it:

 rsync -avP 
 rsync://mirror.leaseweb.com/opensuse/repositories/Education/images/iso/exact-name-new-image-is.iso
 .

 Dot at the end with space before it is part of the command.

 This will download only the bytes that have changed, which in some
 cases is just few MBs, saving few GBs of download.

 Obviously p2p is another good solution to get initial images going if
 a couple of people choose to upload to linuxtracker.org or
 something...

 kind Regards,
 David (Nubae) Van Assche

 On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote:
 Dear All,

 In the last 24 hours I talked to 12 persons about Sugar.

 - 6 persons have downloaded sugar and said to give feedback on Sugar

 - I have send a request for testing to i-netw...@dgroups.org.
 This is one the main mailinglistings in Africa.

 My findings so far:
 1. Asking people to help works. I ask can you help me. Can you download
 an iso, burn it to cd, boot it, and give you opinion an email?
 This is very effective in shifting from talking about to doing.

 2. The download seems to be slow.

 Possible sollution, shall I ask for bandwith to mirror the iso image?
 Can someone make familiar with an optimal solution
 (syncing/redirecting).

 kind regards,
 Marten













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Re: [IAEP] Read Etexts with offline Gutenberg catalog search

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 22:14, James Simmons jim.simm...@walgreens.com wrote:
 Tomeu,

 Thanks for the encouragement.  I've been working on this a little each day
 and it's starting to look less like a rigged demo and more like a really
 useful Activity.  I may have something good enough to criticize in a week or
 two.  When I do I'll post it to the Activities site.

 Unfortunately, while Gutenberg uses a consistent file naming convention for
 *most* of its content, there are still a fair number of older texts that use
 a naming convention that does not lend itself to automatic downloading.  For
 the time being these books won't be available for downloading from my
 offline catalog search (nothing to stop anyone from getting them from the
 website, though).  Also, I plan to make the Activity have some Help text
 loaded into it when you start it up from the Activity ring.  Of course this
 text would be in English.  I'd like to have versions of the text loaded
 based on the locale, but I don't know how to do that in Python.  Pootle,
 etc. doesn't support that kind of thing.

Ok, I look forward to see what that looks like and I'm sure we can
find a way to localize it.

 I'm thinking also of modifying View Slides so it can create slideshows as
 well as view them.  I'd write something that would let you select images in
 the Journal and let you add them to the Zip file, resequence them, and view
 them.  Maybe let you use the XO camera too.

Sounds great, what I would like to do is to add buttons to the
objectchooser for taking a photo, record a video clip and record audio
to the object chooser, so all activities using the object chooser can
also get those media from the input devices.

 The growing one step at a time is a necessity considering how little time
 I have to do this kind of work.

I think it's important not only because of our limited resources, but
also because it allows for a more efficient feedback loop. We have
many options open and is often hard to decide which way to go.

Regards,

Tomeu

 James Simmons


 Tomeu Vizoso wrote:

 I think this an awesome idea and that this attitude of growing one
 step at a time will lead Sugar to a consistent growth. I'm anxious to
 hear how people use your software and which improvements are proposed.

 I will love to help give your software to .uy for testing and feedback.

 Regards,

 Tomeu


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Re: [IAEP] VIA C3 based laptop

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On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:10:27AM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
 On the other hand, if you want up-to-date Sugar in a simple way, then 
 I have no recommendation for you: I suspect that most if not all of 
 the fast-moving distros like SoaS and Ubuntu care less about wide 
 support, so might not handle your hardware properly.

SoaS boots on the XO, which is also not a i686. The kernel rpm name
says i586 IIRC. I think it has a reasonable chance of working on
C3s.

Of course, it's also a lot of fun to do it on Debian with Jonas'
packages ;-) -- just wanted to mention that SoaS isn't i685-only.

Thanks for the encouragement.

Seriously my unofficial ahead-of-Debian packages might or might not be 
fun, depending on the use case: They still do not provide a full core 
set of Sugar packages - particularly they lack support for Read and 
Write, which are considered important capabilities in some learning 
environments :-/


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[IAEP] Pangaean

2009-05-20 Thread Bernie Innocenti

This project is in many ways complementary to Sugar:

  http://www.pangaean.org

I'd like to know what people think about it.  The software appears to be
Windows based, but perhaps it's built with portable technologies.

If not, we might want to pick up the basic idea of communicating through
pictons.  In the resources section, there are several academic papers on
this research.

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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)

On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:23 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
 On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 20:45, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote:
  On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 20:35 +0200, David Van Assche wrote:
  me too, shall we take a practical approach and suggest some locations?
 
  My current focus in the Netherlands, preferable in Leiden if machine
  needs to be setup.
 
  If a have opportunities (aboard) I 'll let you know,
 
 I guess we should contact the organizations (universitites, telecoms,
 etc) that are already mirroring linux distros and other FOSS projects?

Yes,

currently on my list:
- university of twente
- nluug (proffessial unix user group)
- xs4all.nl (ISP)

These are already mirroing *BSD's / GNU-Linux's and more floss projects.

cheers Marten




 It may be a first contact that leads to other collaboration in the future.
 
 Regards,
 
 Tomeu
 
  cheers,
  Marten
 
 
 
  David (nubae) Van Assche
 
  On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote:
   On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 16:46 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
   On 05/19/09 13:51, Walter Bender wrote:
Maybe we can find a time in the next few days to all meet on IRC to
discuss this? CC'ng Bernie as he is most familiar with the SL
infrastructure.
  
   Unfortunately, both the main download site and the mirror are located in
   Boston, so they're both going to be slow for people on the other side of
   the world.
  
   oke, I 'll am going to look European mirrors
  
   Marten
  
  
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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)

On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:32 +0200, Sean DALY wrote:
 here's a list of VLC mirrors:
 

in progress 
 Twente University (Netherlands) 
- nluugg
- xs4all.nl

new on my list:
 LeaseWeb (Netherlands) next on my List
 CacheBoy (Netherlands) next on my List

- Tiscali.nl

Also:
Currently in now infrastructure if we get a yes,
- should I handover contacts or
- become a part of infra.

My preference is the the first (unless there is an extreme short of
hands) I do work as unix sysadmin. :) 


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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:21, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:32 +0200, Sean DALY wrote:
 here's a list of VLC mirrors:


 in progress
 Twente University (Netherlands)
 - nluugg
 - xs4all.nl

 new on my list:
 LeaseWeb (Netherlands) next on my List
 CacheBoy (Netherlands) next on my List

 - Tiscali.nl

 Also:
 Currently in now infrastructure if we get a yes,
 - should I handover contacts or
 - become a part of infra.

 My preference is the the first (unless there is an extreme short of
 hands) I do work as unix sysadmin. :)

Yeah, we are quite short of hands in our infrastructure team and it's
an area in which we need to spread responsibilities in a redundant
way, so IMO it would be great to have you there.

Thanks,

Tomeu


 cheers Marten



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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)

On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 12:27 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:21, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote:
  On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:32 +0200, Sean DALY wrote:
  here's a list of VLC mirrors:
 
 
  in progress
  Twente University (Netherlands)
  - nluugg
  - xs4all.nl
 
  new on my list:
  LeaseWeb (Netherlands) next on my List
  CacheBoy (Netherlands) next on my List
 
  - Tiscali.nl
 
  Also:
  Currently in now infrastructure if we get a yes,
  - should I handover contacts or
  - become a part of infra.
 
  My preference is the the first (unless there is an extreme short of
  hands) I do work as unix sysadmin. :)
 
 Yeah, we are quite short of hands in our infrastructure team and it's
 an area in which we need to spread responsibilities in a redundant
 way, so IMO it would be great to have you there.

right then, I would like a mentor.

For mentor I expect:
- willing to spend time to make me find me way in the currunt
servers /services.
- teaching me good admin behaviour
- willing to correct my mistakes

I have to offer:
- new ideas
- finding / discussing better solutions
- limited time (but in other timezone)
- take mentorship later on.

Current Knowledge:
- FreeBSD, Debian, Ubuntu
- ip/tcp, routing,failover (carp), puppet, apache, mail,mailman
- bash and a bit of ruby
- Decion making (Jarkta voting on so)


cheers Marten




 
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 Tomeu
 
 
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?

For completeness, here are the documented Apple OSX keyboard
shortcuts, stable over the past six versions (10.0-10.5):

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343

Potentially useful at boot time: the Option key (looks like a ski
slope) to show  select bootable volumes

Sean



On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk.  I
  would
  like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook.  Does anyone know
  how
  to do this?

 Most x86 ISOs boot just fine on an x86 Mac with no preparation other
 than to tell MacOS to boot from the CD. PPC, no. ^_^

 You can reboot and hold down the C key to boot from the CDROM.

 Dave


  Thanks,
 
  Caryl
 
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?

This may be helpful too:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1310



On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
 For completeness, here are the documented Apple OSX keyboard
 shortcuts, stable over the past six versions (10.0-10.5):

 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343

 Potentially useful at boot time: the Option key (looks like a ski
 slope) to show  select bootable volumes

 Sean



 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk.  I
  would
  like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook.  Does anyone know
  how
  to do this?

 Most x86 ISOs boot just fine on an x86 Mac with no preparation other
 than to tell MacOS to boot from the CD. PPC, no. ^_^

 You can reboot and hold down the C key to boot from the CDROM.

 Dave


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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?

rEFIt http://refit.sourceforge.net/ is akin to GRUB, but nicer. It
detects and shows all boot options.

2009/5/20 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com:
 This may be helpful too:

 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1310



 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
 For completeness, here are the documented Apple OSX keyboard
 shortcuts, stable over the past six versions (10.0-10.5):

 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343

 Potentially useful at boot time: the Option key (looks like a ski
 slope) to show  select bootable volumes

 Sean



 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk.  I
  would
  like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook.  Does anyone know
  how
  to do this?

 Most x86 ISOs boot just fine on an x86 Mac with no preparation other
 than to tell MacOS to boot from the CD. PPC, no. ^_^

 You can reboot and hold down the C key to boot from the CDROM.

 Dave


  Thanks,
 
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Re: [IAEP] Pangaean

2009-05-20 Thread Simon Schampijer

On 05/20/2009 11:48 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
 This project is in many ways complementary to Sugar:

http://www.pangaean.org

 I'd like to know what people think about it.  The software appears to be
 Windows based, but perhaps it's built with portable technologies.

 If not, we might want to pick up the basic idea of communicating through
 pictons.  In the resources section, there are several academic papers on
 this research.

I would love to see a pictogram based language used in Sugar. This would 
also help for handicapped people or of course people that do not know 
how to read and write yet. Would be nice to use pictograms in help 
sections as well.

Out of curiosity I looked once at possibilities. It seems that 
Bliss-Symbols [1] was once a standard. For 'talkers' today the ones from 
Prentke Romich [2] seems to be common - but I am not sure if those 
pictograms are available for use. Maybe someone else knows more in this 
area.

Regards,
Simon

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss-Symbol
[2] http://www.prentrom.com

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?

2009-05-20 Thread Roland Gesthuizen

rEFIt is good .. we use it at our college for multiboot access (OSX,
Windows, Linux etc.) I modify one file to prevent hostile access to some EFI
functions. If somebody here supports the rEFIt developer with a suitable
graphics and some technical support, they could include a sugar icon and
ensure that it is correctly detected on bootup. This would include any
bootable CDROMs in an iMac computer on startup such as Sugar.
 http://venublog.com/images/mac/refit.png

Regards Roland

2009/5/20 Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com

 rEFIt http://refit.sourceforge.net/ is akin to GRUB, but nicer. It
 detects and shows all boot options.

 2009/5/20 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com:
  This may be helpful too:
 
  http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1310
 
 
 
  On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
  For completeness, here are the documented Apple OSX keyboard
  shortcuts, stable over the past six versions (10.0-10.5):
 
  http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343
 
  Potentially useful at boot time: the Option key (looks like a ski
  slope) to show  select bootable volumes
 
  Sean
 
 
 
  On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
  On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com
 
  wrote:
   Hi,
  
   I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk.  I
   would
   like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook.  Does anyone
 know
   how
   to do this?
 
  Most x86 ISOs boot just fine on an x86 Mac with no preparation other
  than to tell MacOS to boot from the CD. PPC, no. ^_^
 
  You can reboot and hold down the C key to boot from the CDROM.
 
  Dave
 
 
   Thanks,
  
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[IAEP] spanish posts in the planet

Hi all,

recently have noticed the high quality of some blogs about Sugar that
aren't aggregated in our planet, like http://www.fedaro.info/ ,
http://elingenioazucarero.blogspot.com/ and
http://proyecto-ceibal.blogspot.com/ .

What's people's opinion on having all sugar-related posts aggregated
in the same planet? Fedora and GNOME mixes several languages, Ubuntu
has separate planets for every local community.

Personally I would vote for having all of them together.

And btw, can we make the amount of posts presented in the main page bigger?

Regards,

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[IAEP] getting language promoters in the effort (was Re: [Localization] Esperanto translation team)

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 15:19, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote:
 On 05/20/2009 03:07 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:

 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 15:00, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de
  wrote:

 On 05/20/2009 02:44 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote:

 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de
  wrote:

 Hi,

 is there already a translation team for Esperanto, or has there been
 efforts into that direction?

 Not that I know of. Want to start one ? :-)

 -sdg-

 I am not a native :) But I think it would be nice to have. So I would
 write an email to the local Esperanto group and see if they are
 interested. Of course if someone else knows of interested people,
 efforts etc, or whom we could contact, please post here or contact them
 directly. For example the Esperanto wikipedia team seems quite active.

 I personally think that there's more value in approaching them to work
 on tools for learning esperanto instead of just translating Sugar.

 Ideally, most language learning activities would be reusable by all or
 at least several languages.

 Regards,

 Tomeu

 Right, learning tools would be awesome as well. But I guess the tool itself
 (ideally generic for all languages), would be done by a developer and the
 content by translators and educators.

 Doing translation is a low entry point to participate, that is why I started
 from here.

Agreed.

Also, I would suggest trying to involve other organizations whose
mission includes facilitating the learning of a language, such as
Goethe-Institut, Instituto Camões, Instituto Cervantes, Società Dante
Alighieri, etc.

If we could get some of them working together on language learning
tools for Sugar, it could become the best language learning platform
by reusing components. Something that cannot happen in the proprietary
software world because each of them needs to reinvent their own wheel.

Regards,

Tomeu

 Regards,
   Simon




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[IAEP] F.Y.I.: this month's cover story for CACM is OLPC: Vision vs. Reality (cross posted)

2009-05-20 Thread gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada)

http://www.acm.org/ 



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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)

On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 12:27 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:21, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote:
  On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:32 +0200, Sean DALY wrote:
  here's a list of VLC mirrors:
 
 
  in progress
  Twente University (Netherlands)

My first candidate has some questions:

How much space is needed?

should clean up:
http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/
http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/

or do we really want a fully mirror,

How we provide an rsync script to rsync a limited set?


Can some do a du -hd 1  of du -hs in pub_dir to show me the size of the
mirror ? 

2. may we let people sync from the second mirror to free the master site
a bit.

Currently rsync can be done only from download@ but not from download2@
IHMO it would prefer to sync from download2@ since download is already
used a lot. 

Kind regards,
Marten 







  - nluugg
  - xs4all.nl
 
  new on my list:
  LeaseWeb (Netherlands) next on my List
  CacheBoy (Netherlands) next on my List
 
  - Tiscali.nl
 
  Also:
  Currently in now infrastructure if we get a yes,
  - should I handover contacts or
  - become a part of infra.
 
  My preference is the the first (unless there is an extreme short of
  hands) I do work as unix sysadmin. :)
 
 Yeah, we are quite short of hands in our infrastructure team and it's
 an area in which we need to spread responsibilities in a redundant
 way, so IMO it would be great to have you there.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Tomeu
 
 
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Re: [IAEP] F.Y.I.: this month's cover story for CACM is OLPC: Vision vs. Reality (cross posted)

2009-05-20 Thread Seth Woodworth

link to article

http://mags.acm.org/communications/200906/?pg=68

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:56 AM, gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada) 
gerry.lo...@abilitybusinesscomputerservices.com wrote:

 http://www.acm.org/



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Re: [IAEP] Read Etexts with offline Gutenberg catalog search

2009-05-20 Thread James Simmons


Tomeu,

Did some more work on Read Etexts last night and it's shaping up pretty 
good.  I may have something worth posting on Sugar Activities before too 
long.  Memorial Day is coming up.  If my wife works on that day that 
would give me a good opportunity to finish everything.


One thing I think I did right on this was to use a vbox to split my 
Activity window in half vertically.  The top half is the textarea for 
reading the book page or the help text.  The bottom half is the table 
for the results of the book search.  When the bottom half is hidden the 
textarea takes up the full screen (other than the toolbar).  This 
enables me to have a modeless interface.  I was thinking of making a 
similar table for View Slides where I could list out the Journal entries 
representing images and select one or many of them to include in a slide 
show.  This would be far superior to opening the Object Chooser each 
time to select just one image.


If you end up working on the object chooser, I have a notion for you to 
consider.  Not a request, just a notion.  The notion is, how about an 
object choosing widget?  Something you could put in a scroller and use 
in Activities.  You could create the object chooser dialog by simply 
putting the widget in a scroller and putting that into a dialog, along 
with OK and Cancel buttons.  Activity developers might choose to use the 
widget as an alternative to the modal dialog.  You could make a case 
that modal dialogs are a necessary evil that Sugar Activities should 
avoid whenever possible.


The widget code would be self contained, so an Activity developer could 
include the code in his bundle to support older versions of Sugar.


In any case, I'll look forward to your feedback on the new Read Etexts.  
I'm liking it pretty well myself so far.  I can create properly named 
Journal entries for a bunch of etexts in a few minutes, and open them 
from the Journal with one click.  This is a great improvement over using 
Browse to download them from the PG website.


James Simmons


Tomeu Vizoso wrote:

Sounds great, what I would like to do is to add buttons to the
objectchooser for taking a photo, record a video clip and record audio
to the object chooser, so all activities using the object chooser can
also get those media from the input devices.

  

The growing one step at a time is a necessity considering how little time
I have to do this kind of work.



I think it's important not only because of our limited resources, but
also because it allows for a more efficient feedback loop. We have
many options open and is often hard to decide which way to go.

Regards,

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[IAEP] translating the static site

Hi,

what's the plan regarding this? We have the spanish translation quite advanced.

Talking in #sugar with people, this is what I understood:

- the spanish translation is getting there,

- our pootle still needs a bit of banging before it can accept the data,

- we don't have yet the data to feed pootle,

- I don't know if there's a plan about how to integrate the pootle
output into the static site.

Any more info about it? Though it's very important that the
english-speaking world gets to know Sugar, I think it's critical for
SugarLabs to explain itself to the spanish-speaking one, because they
are the people that right now have most of the reasons for
contributing back to the community.

Thanks,

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Re: [IAEP] Read Etexts with offline Gutenberg catalog search

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 17:18, James Simmons jim.simm...@walgreens.com wrote:
 Tomeu,

 Did some more work on Read Etexts last night and it's shaping up pretty
 good.  I may have something worth posting on Sugar Activities before too
 long.  Memorial Day is coming up.  If my wife works on that day that would
 give me a good opportunity to finish everything.

Heh, cool whatever Memorial Day is ;)

 One thing I think I did right on this was to use a vbox to split my Activity
 window in half vertically.  The top half is the textarea for reading the
 book page or the help text.  The bottom half is the table for the results of
 the book search.  When the bottom half is hidden the textarea takes up the
 full screen (other than the toolbar).  This enables me to have a modeless
 interface.

Sounds like a pretty neat idea.

 I was thinking of making a similar table for View Slides where I
 could list out the Journal entries representing images and select one or
 many of them to include in a slide show.  This would be far superior to
 opening the Object Chooser each time to select just one image.

This sounds pretty good as well in itself, though I have to warn that
in the future Rainbow may prevent activities from simultaneously
accessing the network and querying the journal, because of privacy
reasons. Though the user should be able to grant exceptions, I'm not
clear how that may work. Sascha may know more about it.

 If you end up working on the object chooser, I have a notion for you to
 consider.  Not a request, just a notion.  The notion is, how about an object
 choosing widget?  Something you could put in a scroller and use in
 Activities.  You could create the object chooser dialog by simply putting
 the widget in a scroller and putting that into a dialog, along with OK and
 Cancel buttons.  Activity developers might choose to use the widget as an
 alternative to the modal dialog.  You could make a case that modal dialogs
 are a necessary evil that Sugar Activities should avoid whenever possible.

I see the reasons for asking this, but the advantage of being a
separate window is that we can be sure that it's the user who is
choosing the entry to open, instead of being the activity to choose
it. But even then, I think we can do some hacks to embed a toplevel
window such as the chooser inside the activity window that is
requesting it. There may be some issues with drag and drop between
windows, though. I think Michael and Ivan have thought about it.

 The widget code would be self contained, so an Activity developer could
 include the code in his bundle to support older versions of Sugar.

 In any case, I'll look forward to your feedback on the new Read Etexts.  I'm
 liking it pretty well myself so far.  I can create properly named Journal
 entries for a bunch of etexts in a few minutes, and open them from the
 Journal with one click.  This is a great improvement over using Browse to
 download them from the PG website.

Awesome!

Thanks,

Tomeu

 James Simmons


 Tomeu Vizoso wrote:

 Sounds great, what I would like to do is to add buttons to the
 objectchooser for taking a photo, record a video clip and record audio
 to the object chooser, so all activities using the object chooser can
 also get those media from the input devices.



 The growing one step at a time is a necessity considering how little time
 I have to do this kind of work.


 I think it's important not only because of our limited resources, but
 also because it allows for a more efficient feedback loop. We have
 many options open and is often hard to decide which way to go.

 Regards,

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?

2009-05-20 Thread Bert Freudenberg

Note that much of the appeal of SoaS comes from not requiring to  
modify the machine it is about to run on. So rEFIt is no option for  
general use, it's not what we could recommend to teachers.

- Bert -

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?

s/Sugar/Sugar on a Stick/

Still, it should just show up as Linux (USB).

2009/5/20 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk:
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And is distinguishing between other linux distros and Sugar even
desirable?

My macbook is off to be repaired so I can't test, but AFAIK both the
SoaS and the .iso should be recognised as Linux by rEFIt and booted.

 Sugar is *not* a Linux distribution!

 OLPC is/provides a Linux distribution, in that it contains the classic
 GNU/Linux base (Linux kernel + some GNU userspace tools) and the Sugar
 desktop environment on top of that.

 SoaS is a Linux distribution too.

 MacOS X is a non-Linux distribution, consisting of the Darwin base with
 Aqua on top.

 Debian is a distribution providing (in testing and unstable at least) a
 choice of multiple bases (Linux, kFreeBSD, Hurd) and multiple desktops
 (GNOME, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, GNUstep and a half-baked Sugar).

 Sugar itself is distributed (as is most free software), but is not an
 operating system + some userspace.


 I would suspect that rEFIt not recognize X11 desktops, and not userspace
 parts - only kernels.

 But even if rEFIt recognizes desktops, how to then resolve which is the
 _main_ desktop, and if the main desktop is the preferred environment
 over e.g. the terminal or some virtual (X11-based or not) environment.


 Hope that clarifies (and feel free to disagree with my judgements!).

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Re: [IAEP] spanish posts in the planet

2009-05-20 Thread David Farning

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Hi all,

 recently have noticed the high quality of some blogs about Sugar that
 aren't aggregated in our planet, like http://www.fedaro.info/ ,
 http://elingenioazucarero.blogspot.com/ and
 http://proyecto-ceibal.blogspot.com/ .

 What's people's opinion on having all sugar-related posts aggregated
 in the same planet? Fedora and GNOME mixes several languages, Ubuntu
 has separate planets for every local community.

 Personally I would vote for having all of them together.

+1

I find myself running the SUR archives through translate.google.com
nearly every evening.  A nice easy way to machine translate planet to
one's native language would be very handy.

david

 And btw, can we make the amount of posts presented in the main page bigger?

 Regards,

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Re: [IAEP] F.Y.I.: this month's cover story for CACM is OLPC: Vision vs. Reality (cross posted)

2009-05-20 Thread Albert Cahalan

Expensive journals are obsolete.
http://pcic.merage.uci.edu/papers/2008/OneLaptop.pdf
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Re: [IAEP] spanish posts in the planet

2009-05-20 Thread Frederick Grose

Please aggregate the posts and provide a convenient Google Translate
link like on the wiki and at the Activity Library,
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/, (in the footer bar,
lower right).   Good concepts translate well, even if not perfect.

   --Fred

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Hi all,

 recently have noticed the high quality of some blogs about Sugar that
 aren't aggregated in our planet, like http://www.fedaro.info/ ,
 http://elingenioazucarero.blogspot.com/ and
 http://proyecto-ceibal.blogspot.com/ .

 What's people's opinion on having all sugar-related posts aggregated
 in the same planet? Fedora and GNOME mixes several languages, Ubuntu
 has separate planets for every local community.

 Personally I would vote for having all of them together.

 And btw, can we make the amount of posts presented in the main page bigger?

 Regards,

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Re: [IAEP] translating the static site

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 18:39, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
 +1

 I don't know (yet) how to use Pootle, but if someone can point me to
 resources I'm willing to learn

 I can work on the French translation and maybe find some helpers

I think you are quite busy already with all the marketing stuff, but
I'm sure you will find that the french translation team already
involved in Sugar will get involved in this once we set it up.

Regards,

Tomeu

 Sean



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 Hi,

 what's the plan regarding this? We have the spanish translation quite 
 advanced.

 Talking in #sugar with people, this is what I understood:

 - the spanish translation is getting there,

 - our pootle still needs a bit of banging before it can accept the data,

 - we don't have yet the data to feed pootle,

 - I don't know if there's a plan about how to integrate the pootle
 output into the static site.

 Any more info about it? Though it's very important that the
 english-speaking world gets to know Sugar, I think it's critical for
 SugarLabs to explain itself to the spanish-speaking one, because they
 are the people that right now have most of the reasons for
 contributing back to the community.

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[IAEP] Fwd: Edubuntu Meeting, Fri 22 May 2009 18:00 UTC

2009-05-20 Thread David Farning

Edubuntu as a project has fallen on some tough times lately:(  They
are having a revival meeting on Friday.

It would be great if John, Sean and other from Sugar Labs could
participate.  Ubuntu has recently announced at joint educational
venture with Dell!

david


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To: Edubuntu Edubuntu edubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com


Hi

The next Edubuntu meeting is scheduled for:

 * Fri 22 May 2009
 * 18:00 UTC

Agenda will be posted to the list tomorrow.

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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] personal marketing (bottum up approach)

2009-05-20 Thread David Farning

Bernie is our currently our sysadmin.  He is traveling today and
tomorrow.  He should be back on line in a few days.

david

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 12:27 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:21, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote:
  On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:32 +0200, Sean DALY wrote:
  here's a list of VLC mirrors:
 
 
  in progress
  Twente University (Netherlands)
  - nluugg
  - xs4all.nl
 
  new on my list:
  LeaseWeb (Netherlands) next on my List
  CacheBoy (Netherlands) next on my List
 
  - Tiscali.nl
 
  Also:
  Currently in now infrastructure if we get a yes,
  - should I handover contacts or
  - become a part of infra.
 
  My preference is the the first (unless there is an extreme short of
  hands) I do work as unix sysadmin. :)

 Yeah, we are quite short of hands in our infrastructure team and it's
 an area in which we need to spread responsibilities in a redundant
 way, so IMO it would be great to have you there.

 right then, I would like a mentor.

 For mentor I expect:
 - willing to spend time to make me find me way in the currunt
 servers /services.
 - teaching me good admin behaviour
 - willing to correct my mistakes

 I have to offer:
 - new ideas
 - finding / discussing better solutions
 - limited time (but in other timezone)
 - take mentorship later on.

 Current Knowledge:
 - FreeBSD, Debian, Ubuntu
 - ip/tcp, routing,failover (carp), puppet, apache, mail,mailman
 - bash and a bit of ruby
 - Decion making (Jarkta voting on so)


 cheers Marten





 Thanks,

 Tomeu

 
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?

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On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 04:26:18PM +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote:
And is distinguishing between other linux distros and Sugar even 
desirable?

My macbook is off to be repaired so I can't test, but AFAIK both the 
SoaS and the .iso should be recognised as Linux by rEFIt and booted.

Sugar is *not* a Linux distribution!

OLPC is/provides a Linux distribution, in that it contains the classic 
GNU/Linux base (Linux kernel + some GNU userspace tools) and the Sugar 
desktop environment on top of that.

SoaS is a Linux distribution too.

MacOS X is a non-Linux distribution, consisting of the Darwin base with 
Aqua on top.

Debian is a distribution providing (in testing and unstable at least) a 
choice of multiple bases (Linux, kFreeBSD, Hurd) and multiple desktops 
(GNOME, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, GNUstep and a half-baked Sugar).

Sugar itself is distributed (as is most free software), but is not an 
operating system + some userspace.


I would suspect that rEFIt not recognize X11 desktops, and not userspace 
parts - only kernels.

But even if rEFIt recognizes desktops, how to then resolve which is the 
_main_ desktop, and if the main desktop is the preferred environment 
over e.g. the terminal or some virtual (X11-based or not) environment.


Hope that clarifies (and feel free to disagree with my judgements!).

  - Jonas

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Re: [IAEP] Pangaean

2009-05-20 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima

At Wed, 20 May 2009 11:48:15 +0200,
Bernie Innocenti wrote:
 
 This project is in many ways complementary to Sugar:
 
   http://www.pangaean.org
 
 I'd like to know what people think about it.  The software appears to be
 Windows based, but perhaps it's built with portable technologies.
 
 If not, we might want to pick up the basic idea of communicating through
 pictons.  In the resources section, there are several academic papers on
 this research.

  As you already know, the heart of the Pangea project is not about
the technology but very strong and energetic facilitation by adult.
That is really worth learning from, I think.

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Re: [IAEP] translating the static site

+1

I don't know (yet) how to use Pootle, but if someone can point me to
resources I'm willing to learn

I can work on the French translation and maybe find some helpers

Sean



On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Hi,

 what's the plan regarding this? We have the spanish translation quite 
 advanced.

 Talking in #sugar with people, this is what I understood:

 - the spanish translation is getting there,

 - our pootle still needs a bit of banging before it can accept the data,

 - we don't have yet the data to feed pootle,

 - I don't know if there's a plan about how to integrate the pootle
 output into the static site.

 Any more info about it? Though it's very important that the
 english-speaking world gets to know Sugar, I think it's critical for
 SugarLabs to explain itself to the spanish-speaking one, because they
 are the people that right now have most of the reasons for
 contributing back to the community.

 Thanks,

 Tomeu
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Re: [IAEP] translating the static site

2009-05-20 Thread Christian Marc Schmidt

Hi Tomeu--thanks for bringing this up, it's an important point. Suggestions
from the community would be helpful, especially around technical solutions.
From a design standpoint, my thought is that we would incorporate languages
in a dropdown menu below the new global nav (which I'm in the process of
coding at the moment)...


Christian


On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 Hi,

 what's the plan regarding this? We have the spanish translation quite
 advanced.

 Talking in #sugar with people, this is what I understood:

 - the spanish translation is getting there,

 - our pootle still needs a bit of banging before it can accept the data,

 - we don't have yet the data to feed pootle,

 - I don't know if there's a plan about how to integrate the pootle
 output into the static site.

 Any more info about it? Though it's very important that the
 english-speaking world gets to know Sugar, I think it's critical for
 SugarLabs to explain itself to the spanish-speaking one, because they
 are the people that right now have most of the reasons for
 contributing back to the community.

 Thanks,

 Tomeu




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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?

And is distinguishing between other linux distros and Sugar even desirable?

My macbook is off to be repaired so I can't test, but AFAIK both the
SoaS and the .iso should be recognised as Linux by rEFIt and booted.

2009/5/20 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk:
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If somebody here supports the rEFIt developer with a suitable graphics
and some technical support, they could include a sugar icon and ensure
that it is correctly detected on bootup. This would include any
bootable CDROMs in an iMac computer on startup such as Sugar.
     http://venublog.com/images/mac/refit.png

 How would that work?

 I mean, how to distinguish a Sugar-only installation from e.g. a Debian
 installation containing (among other desktop environments) Sugar?

 Kind regards,

  - Jonas

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?

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On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:03:45PM +1000, Roland Gesthuizen wrote:
If somebody here supports the rEFIt developer with a suitable graphics 
and some technical support, they could include a sugar icon and ensure 
that it is correctly detected on bootup. This would include any 
bootable CDROMs in an iMac computer on startup such as Sugar.
 http://venublog.com/images/mac/refit.png

How would that work?

I mean, how to distinguish a Sugar-only installation from e.g. a Debian 
installation containing (among other desktop environments) Sugar?

Kind regards,

  - Jonas

...using rEFIt on my laptop for quite some time :-)

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Re: [IAEP] F.Y.I.: this month's cover story for CACM is OLPC: Vision vs. Reality (cross posted)

use the print widget and select pages 66 to 73.


On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Seth Woodworth s...@isforinsects.com wrote:
 link to article

 http://mags.acm.org/communications/200906/?pg=68

 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:56 AM, gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada)
 gerry.lo...@abilitybusinesscomputerservices.com wrote:

 http://www.acm.org/



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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?

Perhaps, but to me it seems a very good option, especially when
compared to requiring a helper CD and an arcane key press combination

. rEFIt is tiny and quite useful by itself, since the default apple
bootloader doesn't offer any feedback.

2009/5/20 Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de:
 Note that much of the appeal of SoaS comes from not requiring to
 modify the machine it is about to run on. So rEFIt is no option for
 general use, it's not what we could recommend to teachers.

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Re: [IAEP] spanish posts in the planet

2009-05-20 Thread Samuel Klein

All together would be great (even including nepali from time to time,
even though google will not help you translate it).  SJ

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:35 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Hi all,

 recently have noticed the high quality of some blogs about Sugar that
 aren't aggregated in our planet, like http://www.fedaro.info/ ,
 http://elingenioazucarero.blogspot.com/ and
 http://proyecto-ceibal.blogspot.com/ .

 What's people's opinion on having all sugar-related posts aggregated
 in the same planet? Fedora and GNOME mixes several languages, Ubuntu
 has separate planets for every local community.

 Personally I would vote for having all of them together.

 +1

 I find myself running the SUR archives through translate.google.com
 nearly every evening.  A nice easy way to machine translate planet to
 one's native language would be very handy.

 david

 And btw, can we make the amount of posts presented in the main page bigger?

 Regards,

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