Re: [IAEP] Open-Mesh.com
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 02:01, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: I am at a talk on Open Mesh as a low cost solution for schools. Are people here familiar with this? http://open-mesh.com/store/ Will local collaboration work with Open Mesh? Will it work per AP just like other wireless solutions or will it collaborate across the mesh devices? From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-local_address, Salut (sugar collaboration without a server) will work between machines in the same segment of a local network or a point-to-point link. If it will work in some of their setups, it's them to answer. Btw, the term mesh is very general, so we should avoid using it if it's not clear from the context to what we are referring to. Regards, Tomeu Thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] New mailing list: ita...@lists.sugarlabs.org
Hello Sugarians, I'd like to introduce yet another list for the Italian Sugar community: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/italia We also have a IRC channel #sugar-it for local-scope topics. Please, keep global communication on #sugar to avoid fragmentation. The Italian Local Lab might be coming soon if someone steps forward to lead the effort: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs Other local communinties with enough critical mass and motivation are encouraged to contact me for requesting communication and web presence resources. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Open-Mesh.com
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 11:08 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 02:01, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: I am at a talk on Open Mesh as a low cost solution for schools. Are people here familiar with this? http://open-mesh.com/store/ Will local collaboration work with Open Mesh? Will it work per AP just like other wireless solutions or will it collaborate across the mesh devices? From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-local_address, Salut (sugar collaboration without a server) will work between machines in the same segment of a local network or a point-to-point link. If it will work in some of their setups, it's them to answer. Btw, the term mesh is very general, so we should avoid using it if it's not clear from the context to what we are referring to. in more detail: - radio-mesh (layer 1-2) known as 802.11s - ip-mesh (layer 2-3). known as olsr / B.A.T.M.A.N and derified routing protocols (google for freifunk and furerfunk) In your case: Open-Mesh.com a based on B.A.T.M.A.N. see http://www.blogin.it/ Generally they use adhoc-mode on the wifi-card with is not supported well on all cards. Large networks seem to break. It works better in a city wide lan rather than classroom based. (based on experiances of freifunk) XO's have 802.11s. http://www.open80211s.org/ is working on a opensource implenmentation. OLSR / B.A.T.M.A.N. can work on Sugar if the networkcard supports adhoc IHMO: Both are not really usable for high performance wifi like a class room. FYI: I am building a wifi benchmark setup. http://bsd.wifisoft.org/trac/wiki/wireless_benchmark Currently a am testing FreeBSD access points (homebrew). Soon as I have a base line, I can test some Fon, Linksys and other boxes. In time more testing materials (accesspoints) are welcome. P.s I have send an email to saxnet to get info about their type of mesh, but did not hear of them jet. kind regards, Marten Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Open-Mesh.com
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:13:55PM +0200, Marten Vijn wrote: Generally they use adhoc-mode on the wifi-card with is not supported well on all cards. Do you know this for sure for OpenMesh? They use the Atheros chipset with multiple network interfaces (ath0..ath2) in Linux and always use the acronym AP when they talk about client-side network interfaces (it's an infrastructure mesh). 29$ (US version) / 39$ (EU version) for a mesh-capable (even if just layer 3), open source powered AP (including an ethernet interface in each device) sure seems like a bargain. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Open-Mesh.com
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 12:59 +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:13:55PM +0200, Marten Vijn wrote: Generally they use adhoc-mode on the wifi-card with is not supported well on all cards. Do you know this for sure for OpenMesh? no I don't, (I don't have the hardware nor did I test it) The word Generally implies so. But a referral on thier website: https://www.open-mesh.com/store/categories.php?category=Who-is-%22Open% 252dMesh%22%3F refeers to ROBIN not to 802.11s http://www.blogin.it/ Further ip-mesh has to be done in ad-hoc modus to have egal peers. Building a wifi network infrastrucure would not be a mesh. But aslo would allow dynanic (routing with B.A.T.M.A.N / Robin / olsr / lvrouted / ospf) They use the Atheros chipset with multiple network interfaces (ath0..ath2) in Linux and always use the acronym AP when they talk about client-side network interfaces (it's an infrastructure mesh). Unless use 11s you can't have an infastrasture mesh. Infrastructure means a master and a client. In mesh you have equal peers. Atheros depends on a hardware abstraction layer. Depending on this it can do monitoring / client / ad-hoc /master. For client mode you can substitute infrastructure/managed For master mode you can substitute hostap / ap. Then there are possible combinations 11b/g/a and maybe s/n. ip-mesg (olsr) ends after 5 hops (20% per hop loss, not usable traffic after 5 hops). 29$ (US version) / 39$ (EU version) for a mesh-capable (even if just layer 3), open source powered AP (including an ethernet interface in each device) sure seems like a bargain. Maybe you some free ones from FON, create a benchmark (dbs). Anyway, I have a FON board and will come with test results later for bridging-mode :) I don't have high expectations for ip-mesh nor from radio-mesg. So even if open-Mesh has 802.11s I would not use in class. cheers Marten CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Localization] Fwd: sugar on a stick localized in farsi or pashto or both
There are three separate topics woven into one in your plan: (1) Completing the translations for 0.84. It seems you have a handle on that. (2) Getting the translations packaged into a Sugar on a Stick image. I think Sebastian can help with that once the translations are pushed to git. (3) Getting Sugar on a Stick booting properly on the OLPC XO-1 computer. We need to double-check on the status of that--it has been known to work, but needs to be tested and better documented for your use case. Also, unless I am mistaken, we'll need to get developer keys for each of these machines. regards. -walter 2009/6/22 Světlana Senajová sve...@paiwastoon.com.af: Dear Chris and Sameer, This is Svetla from OLPC Afghanistan, former technical implementation manager, current implementation manager is Dr. Musa (on CC). We are directly in touch with Carol Silver Ruth and she has initiated contact with Sugar Labs. We plan to deploy 50 XOs in home schools in villages near Kabul and provide kids and parents with the USB sticks so every single one of them would have his/her own environment and files and XOs would serve as computer stations. We have very limited bandwith in Kabul to be able to send localized versions of Sugar 0.82 in Dari and Pashto by email. However all our localized PO files are on Pootle as you know. We plan to start working on localization of 0.84 version in upcoming week or two, but this doesn't allow us enough time for having it ready and put it all together before Carol arrives to Kabul. Please let me know what needs to be done so that we can have localized Sugar on a Stick. Thanks / Regards, Svetla sve...@paiwastoon.com.af +420 728 878 881 (till 29th June) +93 796 505 768 (from 30th June) Dr. Musa - current technical implementation manager +93 707 729 295, +93 774 605 794 2009/6/21 Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com Sameer, My strong suggestion is to point Jim Stockford and Carol Ruth Silver at the OLPC Afghanistan team and have them reach out directly. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Afghanistan OLCP Afghanistan has done great work on the translation of the Sugar interface into Dari and Pashto as you can see at these links to the translation system: http://translate.sugarlabs.org/fa_AF/index.html http://translate.sugarlabs.org/ps/index.html The only hitch I can see is that Pashto might need a little work on the Sugar 0.84 PO files (probably needed for SoaS) as OLCP Afghanistan's efforts have focused on the Sugar 0.82 PO files (as appropriate to the build they will be deploying on their XO laptops. However, most of the strings are in common between 0.82 and 0.84, so it is less work than it might seem to leverage the work already accomplished. OLPC Afghanistan's Sohaib Obaidi Ebtihaj (copied on this message) has been quite active in interacting with the wider Sugar / OLPC community through the Localization list: http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/localization Direct contact between these two groups would be the shortest route to address necessary technical details (e.g. locale information, fonts, etc.) that have already gotten some attention by the OLPC Afghanistan team. cjl On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: Forwarding request from Carol Ruth Silver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Ruth_Silver) and Jim Stockford (http://www.sf-lug.org/). This is a big opportunity for SoaS deployment in Farsi and Pashto. I'm heading out to Jamaica for their pilot, so my bandwidth is a bit limited for the next few days. Please cc them on replies. cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ -- Forwarded message -- From: jim j...@well.com Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:22 AM Subject: sugar on a stick localized in farsi or pashto or both To: Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu Hi, Sameer, regarding carol ruth silver's upcoming trip to afghanistan, i'm hoping we can get sugar on a stick localized in both farsi and pashto: best case a single stick would boot and ask the user to choose either; having a grub-like menu choice would be good; having it come up in one but allow re-tuning to the other would be okay; having two different sticks, one in farsi and the other in pashto would be acceptable. do you know anyone in sugarlabs that can facilitate getting us something approximating the above fast? jim 415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime ___ Localization mailing list localizat...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/localization ___ Localization mailing list localizat...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/localization -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org
Re: [IAEP] Sugar on Wireless
Laura Johns wrote: The idea of running Sugar on the local network is very appealing. The idea of setting up a server is a pretty daunting prospect. Can I do it? Would I be allowed to do it? etc.. I would have 16 students max running Sugar but there could be another 16 or so in the next classroom. Unfortunately, it's hard to predict how reliable this sort of setup will be. It depends on how many access points there are, and how they are wired together. It also depends on the radio performance of your APs and macbooks. It even depends on what the walls of your school are made of. However, I would say that there is at least a good chance that it will work. Hmm... I have Sugar on three Macbooks. I removed the sugar labs server address from all three and verified that I could get on the internet. I could not see the other Mac books. That is a problem. How were you running Sugar? In Virtualbox? If so, one of our Virtualbox experts will have to work with you on network topology issues. (The problem could be that Virtualbox is running the virtual machine behind a firewall, rather than giving it direct access to the local network.) --Ben signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Virtual World clients for Sugar
We work with schools in developing immersive environments for education based on Opensim - the opensource version of Second Life. In order to access an Opensim world one needs a variant of the opensourced Second Life client. Hippo and Meerkat are two such clients. We would love to see one of these clients becoming part of Sugar as it could open up the next generation of 3D learning to all. For the last 5 months I have been running the Second Life client on a standard netbook (Dell Mini 9) without problem. Sure, the graphics are not top notch but it still suffices as a fine entry point. As I am new to, and very excited by, this project please let me know how I can help to make this a reality. Best Regards, -James Corbett. Daynuv.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Virtual World clients for Sugar
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Daynuvja...@daynuv.com wrote: We work with schools in developing immersive environments for education based on Opensim - the opensource version of Second Life. In order to access an Opensim world one needs a variant of the opensourced Second Life client. Hippo and Meerkat are two such clients. We would love to see one of these clients becoming part of Sugar as it could open up the next generation of 3D learning to all. For the last 5 months I have been running the Second Life client on a standard netbook (Dell Mini 9) without problem. Sure, the graphics are not top notch but it still suffices as a fine entry point. As I am new to, and very excited by, this project please let me know how I can help to make this a reality. The first steps would be to make sure the one of the clients will run using the Sugar stack. Then, it is a matter of Sugarizing the clients and packaging it as an .xo bundle. The best way to do that is to log on to irc.freenode.net#sugar and ask for help. Please ping me back if you need more help getting started. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] SoaS Strawberry release debrief - iaep
I have started a thread for each individual ml; systems, devel, and marketing to collect ideas about what went right and what we can learn from the SoaS - Strawberry release. A debrief is not necessary about finding solutions, it is more like a semistructured brainstorm session 'get down on paper' ideas while they are fresh in people minds. If we do it correctly, the debrief can set the stage for the next iteration. Wash. Rinse, Repeat Over all things went well. The biggest issue is how we define Sugar on a Stick the relationship between Sugar Labs and SoaS. To give a way the ending so it is transparent where I am coming from. Long term, SoaS should be distribution independent 'class of products' which conveys the idea of running the Sugar Learning Platform from a portable memory device. Short term, Sugar Labs, will need to selectively foster a specific release such as Sugar until it is viable for other communities and organizations to support the market. 1. SoaS is fundamentally a distribution level project not a platform development project. 2. SoaS is a larger movement that just SL. As such SL should focus on enabling the lager community to take SoaS and do what they want with it. 3. SoaS is a great way to get Sugar into the hands of users. SL should promote SoaS however possible. 4. SL should use clear language when talking about SoaS as generic idea and distribution specif implementations. These goals, need to be tempered with the reality that the open source development model depends a projects being 'valuable enough' for others to make the effort to use and improve the product. The tension is between SL 'making the market' yet not 'crowding out' potential contributors and partners. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Art criticism needed on Get IA Books icon (attached)
I am working on a new Activity that will connect to the Internet Archive and act as a sort of electronic card catalog. It will be similar to the offline catalog browsing feature of Read Etexts, but will have much more information about the books, including language and a free form description. It will be an online catalog, not offline. It will be able to download books to the Journal in either PDF or DJVU format for use by the core Read Activity. Attached is a GIF version of my icon for this Activity. The original is a .svg of course. Artistically I think it is the finest icon I have ever done, but I have some doubts about it: 1). Will the target audience (learners and younger teachers) recognize the object the icon is mean to resemble? (Would they recognize the ones for Read Etexts or View Slides)? 2). Is there a better image to convey what the Activity does? And if so, could I con somebody into drawing it for me? If you feel you have the needed artistic talent all you need to make an SVG icon is the free Inkscape program, available for both Linux and Windows. Create a New 48x48 icon. Draw it with strokes and empty but enclosed areas that could be filled in. No gradients or anything fancy. If you're looking for something to do in an hour drawing icons could be that activity. Artistic skill and programming skill are seldom both found in the same person. Of course there are exceptions. James Simmons attachment: get-ia-books.gif___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Art criticism needed: GIF didn't work, SVG attached.
It looks like converting an SVG to a GIF is not as simple as I thought it was. The GIF was no good. The SVG should be OK. Thanks for your patience. James Simmons attachment: get-ia-books.svg___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Art criticism needed: GIF didn't work, SVG attached.
Yes generating a raster image from vector always leaves room for disappointment I use imagemagick for that, e.g. snip $ convert +antialias -density 300 -background none -resize 44x44 get-ia-books.svg get-ia-books.gif /snip Sean On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Jim Simmonsnices...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like converting an SVG to a GIF is not as simple as I thought it was. The GIF was no good. The SVG should be OK. Thanks for your patience. James Simmons ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 15, Issue 114
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: Fred, Your points are the same ones I had. There is no animation in the icon, though. Not sure what you're seeing. Interesting.. The .svg file opened in Ubuntu9.04 and showed a box being constructed from the base up. I thought that was intentional, not an artifact in the file. (It implied the building of the file drawer and filling it with content--once I figured out what the object was.) So without the animation, it is a lot simpler. Books on a shelf would be even simpler and might be rendered in the bolder Sugar strokes. I'm going to have to go with this design unless someone comes up with something better, though. I need a symbol that suggests what the thing is for. My brain just doesn't work that way, and I'm not happy with any of my icons. Personally I liked the perspective and was pleased to discover that Inkscape supports drawing objects like that. My first attempt at this object was a freehand Isometric drawing that looked like crap. This one at least looks like what it's supposed to be. Which would be OK if anyone younger than me could recognize it. Perspective with an unshaded line drawing is tricky. You might try raising the point of view enough so that the eye level is more naturally above the front, right, drawer edge. The prominent perfectly vertical line is overpowering the rest of the image (and may be a distortion from the rest of the content). Tipping that corner down will remove the perfect vertical line, change the ratio of the two front draw edges, and should help in recognition. But I would prefer the books on a shelf as perhaps a more common object token for your project. Thanks for the correction, and best wishes!--Fred Or a carousel slide projector, or a scroll either. I agree about the letters. I considered them more a decoration than anything else and I'll be leaving them in for the time being. Hopefully some of us on this list are right-brained types who can suggest something better. James Simmons Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:48:53 -0400 From: Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [IAEP] Art criticism needed on Get IA Books icon (attached) To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: f3383f810906261448u651fe070pa79f5f5b6e08d...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sorry to offer a negative review, but I struggled to understand the image at the small size and perspective. Perspective recognition can be difficult for anything but the simplest object. It took me a second look in another context to figure out what the final object was. The animation might be interesting the first few times, but may easily become a distraction. Icons are best when they are nearly instantly recognized and display a token of what's to come, not too much information. The letters, I A , conveyed that there was textual content, but the initials would not match the name in other languages, and be another burden to change. Thank you for you contributing and braving your art! --Fred ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Reflections on giving a Sugar Demo
First off it went well. The teacher's loved Sugar, saw a lot of possibilities and are motivated to help us go forward. People talked with me about it the entire conference. That said, I learned a lot of lessons and there are things I would do differently. - Always bring an AP. Don't use existing wireless. When I tested before class the wireless seemed great. We packed the room. The wireless network got very flacky. Next time I'm going to bring an AP and just try to collaborate locally. I'm thinking of getting one of the open-mesh $29.00 units and seeing how that works. - Either get USB sticks to boot OR teach about Sugar, don't try to do both at once. The class was packed and although most of the computers finally booted to sugar it took a lot of time. Until we really get things down I think I'm going to hand out LiveCDs then after wards tell people I'll work with them one-on-one to get it to boot from USB. We need to create a list of Sugar Basics that we cover before we turn people loose to explore. 1. This is the Home Screen. 2. This icon represents you and its your colors 3. Here is how you get to the frame. 4. This is the Neighborhood view. You can get there from the frame or from F1. 5. Here is how you connect to the AP. More color in the circle means stronger signal (Someone told me that he thought he should go for the empty ones cause it meant they had more room) 6. This the your group view. Your friends will show up here. 7. This is the Journal where your work is saved. 8. To do something go to your Home screen and click on any of these icons. They are the activities. We didn't do this and people got frustrated needlessly. We want them to explore but I think we need to figure out what people need to oriented too before they explore. I wonder if showing the demo movie would have been a good way to cover this. We didn't get to the lesson plan I created because we had so many people and so many problems booting. Luckily Walter can do a Sugar and Turtle Art presentation in his sleep. One thing we should have done, and would have gotten to if we had been able to follow our plan, is to demo Write and peer editing. This is a big deal for teachers. We need to remember to do it early in the presentation, before we get sucked into playing with the cute turtle. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Reflections on giving a Sugar Demo
Absolutely spot on. And I would add, it is too overwhelming to give a lecture and let them explore Sugar at the same time... -walter On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: First off it went well. The teacher's loved Sugar, saw a lot of possibilities and are motivated to help us go forward. People talked with me about it the entire conference. That said, I learned a lot of lessons and there are things I would do differently. Always bring an AP. Don't use existing wireless. When I tested before class the wireless seemed great. We packed the room. The wireless network got very flacky. Next time I'm going to bring an AP and just try to collaborate locally. I'm thinking of getting one of the open-mesh $29.00 units and seeing how that works. Either get USB sticks to boot OR teach about Sugar, don't try to do both at once. The class was packed and although most of the computers finally booted to sugar it took a lot of time. Until we really get things down I think I'm going to hand out LiveCDs then after wards tell people I'll work with them one-on-one to get it to boot from USB. We need to create a list of Sugar Basics that we cover before we turn people loose to explore. This is the Home Screen. This icon represents you and its your colors Here is how you get to the frame. This is the Neighborhood view. You can get there from the frame or from F1. Here is how you connect to the AP. More color in the circle means stronger signal (Someone told me that he thought he should go for the empty ones cause it meant they had more room) This the your group view. Your friends will show up here. This is the Journal where your work is saved. To do something go to your Home screen and click on any of these icons. They are the activities. We didn't do this and people got frustrated needlessly. We want them to explore but I think we need to figure out what people need to oriented too before they explore. I wonder if showing the demo movie would have been a good way to cover this. We didn't get to the lesson plan I created because we had so many people and so many problems booting. Luckily Walter can do a Sugar and Turtle Art presentation in his sleep. One thing we should have done, and would have gotten to if we had been able to follow our plan, is to demo Write and peer editing. This is a big deal for teachers. We need to remember to do it early in the presentation, before we get sucked into playing with the cute turtle. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 15, Issue 114
Fred, The problem with books on a shelf is that Aleksey is already using that image for his Library Activity and I think it is more fitting for that because he is creating a sort of electronic bookshelf, whereas I'm creating a card catalog. I found that when I tried to use my icon with the fill_style variable in Sugar it displays with no fill whatsoever, so you just see a jumble of lines instead of an image. I fixed that by replacing the fill_style with the color white instead. It doesn't change colors the same way other icons do, but it's tolerable. So the animation you're seeing might be related to that, because without the fill color it's like a wire frame drawing. As for the prominent vertical line, I think I'm stuck with it. Inkscape does two point perspective just like I learned in drafting class so long ago. I don't think I can tilt the line. Even if I could, I'm reasonably happy with the drawing, just unhappy with *what* I'm drawing. I'm really looking for a better symbol. Maybe a book with speed lines, like it's being thrown. James Simmons On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Frederick Grosefgr...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting.. The .svg file opened in Ubuntu9.04 and showed a box being constructed from the base up. I thought that was intentional, not an artifact in the file. (It implied the building of the file drawer and filling it with content--once I figured out what the object was.) So without the animation, it is a lot simpler. Books on a shelf would be even simpler and might be rendered in the bolder Sugar strokes. Perspective with an unshaded line drawing is tricky. You might try raising the point of view enough so that the eye level is more naturally above the front, right, drawer edge. The prominent perfectly vertical line is overpowering the rest of the image (and may be a distortion from the rest of the content). Tipping that corner down will remove the perfect vertical line, change the ratio of the two front draw edges, and should help in recognition. But I would prefer the books on a shelf as perhaps a more common object token for your project. Thanks for the correction, and best wishes! --Fred ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Caryl's roadshow - video
A copy of our very own Caryl Bigenho's roadshow for your viewing enjoyment. http://blip.tv/file/get/Dowdle-olpcroadshow438.ogv david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Reflections on giving a Sugar Demo
As a participant in Caroline and Walter's presentation, I agree with almost everything they said. However, the lecture/demo was helpful while waiting to get Sugar working on my machine. The Orientation piece, like Caroline listed, would have been very helpful - (us older folks need a bit of direction to be constructivist :) ) - it could have been delivered via a presentation or through a video. But either way it should be available after a workshop for reference, reteaching, and sharing with others. Another helpful piece would be a poster/grid explaining the icons. Yes, the kids will figure them out, but the adults need to feel a certain level of comfort with the icons. As a second grade teacher, I love the balance between pre-made activities and creation of new activities. The education possibilities are amazing with that balance! I can't wait to explore all the options. I would be interested in having Sugar on a Stick work in a K12LTSP environment as well as having clear, non-technical directions for using it on other platforms. Thanks again for all your hard work and for such an amazing product! Deborah White Asa C. Adams School Orono, ME 04473 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 15, Issue 114
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: ... ...just unhappy with *what* I'm drawing. I'm really looking for a better symbol. Maybe a book with speed lines, like it's being thrown. How about a vertical stack of books like when you're ready to check out at the library, or a packed book bag, or buckled book pack? --Fred ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
