Re: [IAEP] Etoys, is it difficult or easy?
On Tuesday 28 Sep 2010 2:59:57 am Dr. Gerald Ardito wrote: The 5th graders took pretty well to Etoys. It is the drawing piece that hooks them, and then the scripting part that really challenges them. And the 7th and 8th graders love Scratch. It is interesting to me because they also do plenty of painting of sprites and backgrounds, but something about the bricks seems to match their thinking process. This could be due to Stroop Effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroop_effect 5th graders may prefer to doodle with colors, shapes, icons and physical models. They can spend more time with manipulating morphs directly and creating patterns in Etoys. 7th graders, with their language dominant modes, look upon this as kids stuff and would dive right into programming. For the literates, Scratch is much easier than Etoys. I am getting ready to introduce my current 7th grade classes to Scratch and am looking forward to that I came across some cases where this doodling actually helped boost learning levels (across the board). So don't give up on Etoys yet :-). Dual modes (visual/textual) may be a good thing. Subbu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sur] [Olpc-uruguay] Sugar Labs Oversight Board?
On 25 September 2010 02:22, Pablo Flores pflor...@gmail.com wrote: My support to Rosamel too! The translation is not a minor issue and it would be good to challenge ourselves to find solutions so we can integrate in discussions people that speak different languages. Isn't there some kind of add-on for mailman for making automatic translations? También mi apoto a Rosamel ! El tema de las traducciones no es algo menor, y estaría bueno que nos desafiáramos a nosotros mismos a buscar soluciones que permitan integrar en las discusiones a gente que habla en distintos idiomas. No hay algún tipo de add-on para mailman que haga traducciones automáticas? Saludos, Pablo Flores Esperanto? ;) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Etoys, is it difficult or easy?
Alan, Thanks so much. I am sure this will work well for us. Best, Gerald On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: It's the make a car you can drive yourself one which starts with the painting of a car, scripting it to go in a circle, steering by modifying the script on the fly, adding a steering wheel, moving the steering wheel's heading to the car turn by, making a gear by dividing the heading by 3, making a car that will follow a track, etc. This has proved to be a great opening sequence with most 5th graders, and it goes best with one on one guidance. They learn a lot of things about Etoys (we counted about 35) and the next few months projects can be done with what they encounter in their first half hour or so. It is extremely difficult to pull off in a mass class with either children or adults because of the range of pace and what it takes for individuals to get it, and what questions and prompts they need. Kind of a perfect example where mass class loses badly and one on one is very efficient and effective. Cheers, Alan -- *From:* Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com *To:* Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com *Cc:* Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com; Cherry Withers cwith...@ekindling.org; danielgast...@yahoo.com.ar; Tim McNamara paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz; Steve Thomas stevesar...@gmail.com; iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org *Sent:* Mon, September 27, 2010 6:00:52 PM *Subject:* Re: [IAEP] Etoys, is it difficult or easy? Alan, Thanks for this. I am just beginning to work with our 5th grade students and teachers and will put this into action. One question for you, if I may. Can you tell me about the first Etoys lesson you mentioned (with 35 things in 30 minutes)? Thanks again. Gerald On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Gerald, Yes, I think the experts approach is a good one also -- we first saw it used by Betty Edwards (the drawing teacher) and it works very well if the ratio is about 1 expert to 6 or 7 learners or better. And we have tried this with Etoys (mostly on adult teachers). However, of all the ways we've tried, doing one on ones, and then using the new learners as one on one teachers for the next group (so you are doubling each time) works the best (and is also the most efficient with regard to how much time it takes to successfully do the first Etoys exercise -- in which the learners do and learn about 35 things in about 30 minutes). Best regards, Alan -- *From:* Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com *To:* Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com *Cc:* Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com; Cherry Withers cwith...@ekindling.org; danielgast...@yahoo.com.ar; Tim McNamara paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz; Steve Thomas stevesar...@gmail.com; iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org *Sent:* Mon, September 27, 2010 4:31:13 PM *Subject:* Re: [IAEP] Etoys, is it difficult or easy? Alan, First, I just want to clarify that I meant challenged in a positive way. The 5th graders dove into Etoys first through painting, and then through scripting. However, I agree with what you say about artifacts of a pedagogical approach. We saw this, too. Our learning situation involved 4-6 student experts with whom I spent time showing them the key elements of Etoys needed to begin the project. Then, when we introduced this project to larger class, these experts were free to move around the room helping other students. We found this model to be a good one for generating a very productive classroom environment with the XOs (in fact, it was the topic of my dissertation which I completed last May). However, I wished we had spent more time with the scripting piece. We had not developed those skills enough. Thanks. Gerald On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd be curious to hear what the process is with the 5th graders. These were our main subjects. We worked only through regular classroom teachers (who had been carefully coached). You will not see any challenged 5th graders if you use a one on one session with them for about 20-30 minutes. The best way to do this is to teach a few this way, and then use a spreading wave of one on ones. We found that this was much better with both children and adults than to try to teach all of them in mass. So you might be seeing artifacts of pedagogical approach here (and a lot of challenged students result from such artifacts). Cheers, Alan -- *From:* Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com *To:* Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com *Cc:* Cherry Withers cwith...@ekindling.org; danielgast...@yahoo.com.ar; Tim McNamara paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz; Steve Thomas stevesar...@gmail.com; iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org *Sent:* Mon, September 27, 2010 2:29:57 PM *Subject:* Re: [IAEP] Etoys, is it
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Introduction
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:46, Steven Parrish smparr...@gmail.com wrote: Some of you may have already heard that I have accepted a position with ActivityCentral to be the project manager for Dextrose. It feels like I have come full circle as I started out as a volunteer maintaining the F11 for the XO-1 builds for the past 18 months. That work was very rewarding and I was glad to see OLPC step in and release official builds based on my work. The F11 for the XO-1 was also a starting point for the original Dextrose system, which Bernie Innocenti brought to fruition. Now we will be taking the original Dextrose and expanding upon it. Dextrose2 will be the result. Based on Fedora11 and Sugar 0.88 it will strive for stability, while providing deployments with a customizable product. I have already started creating builds for the new system with additional language support, and they can be found at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Dextrose . The builds will be for both the XO-1 and XO-1.5 and will be available both with Gnome and without. We have a team of developers at SEETA who will be working on this with us. Many of them are already known to the community and more will become known as they join the effort. I have already started going over the outstanding issues and know that with everyone's help we can make Dextrose the Premier system for XO deployments. The issues that need to be worked on can be found at: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/query?status=acceptedstatus=assignedstatus=newstatus=reopenedorder=prioritycol=idcol=summarycol=statuscol=typecol=prioritycol=milestonecol=componentkeywords=$love and http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/query?status=acceptedstatus=assignedstatus=newstatus=reopenedorder=prioritycol=idcol=summarycol=componentcol=statuscol=typecol=prioritycol=milestonekeywords=$extrose If you are already working on any of these tickets please send me a quick note as to which tickets you are working on and what the status is. I look forward to working with everyone. I'm very happy to read this, look forward to work further with you. It would be very helpful if any new contributors could take the time to present themselves and their plans as you have done. Regards, Tomeu Steven Parrish smparr...@gmail.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Introduction
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 06:46:00AM -0400, Steven Parrish wrote: Some of you may have already heard that I have accepted a position with ActivityCentral to be the project manager for Dextrose. Great to hear! It feels like I have come full circle as I started out as a volunteer maintaining the F11 for the XO-1 builds for the past 18 months. That work was very rewarding and I was glad to see OLPC step in and release official builds based on my work. The F11 for the XO-1 was also a starting point for the original Dextrose system, which Bernie Innocenti brought to fruition. Now we will be taking the original Dextrose and expanding upon it. Dextrose2 will be the result. Based on Fedora11 and Sugar 0.88 it will strive for stability, while providing deployments with a customizable product. I have already started creating builds for the new system with additional language support, and they can be found at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Dextrose . The builds will be for both the XO-1 and XO-1.5 and will be available both with Gnome and without. What about reusing bazaar.sl.o as Dextrose repository for all sugar packages (it could be only sugar, other packages like hw maybe reused directly from upstream, attached after bazaar repo or even build on bazaar)? I'm planing to have 0.88 Sugar Platform run on f11 at the end of this week. The benefits I see here is that we can reuse Dextrose efforts(regarding to sugar itself) in other sugar distros directly (just building for particular distro). Also, we can have the same repo of activities on bazaar (w/o repacking it for several distros). We have a team of developers at SEETA who will be working on this with us. Many of them are already known to the community and more will become known as they join the effort. I have already started going over the outstanding issues and know that with everyone's help we can make Dextrose the Premier system for XO deployments. The issues that need to be worked on can be found at: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/query?status=acceptedstatus=assignedstatus=newstatus=reopenedorder=prioritycol=idcol=summarycol=statuscol=typecol=prioritycol=milestonecol=componentkeywords=$love and http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/query?status=acceptedstatus=assignedstatus=newstatus=reopenedorder=prioritycol=idcol=summarycol=componentcol=statuscol=typecol=prioritycol=milestonekeywords=$extrose If you are already working on any of these tickets please send me a quick note as to which tickets you are working on and what the status is. I look forward to working with everyone. Steven Parrish smparr...@gmail.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sur] [Olpc-uruguay] Sugar Labs Oversight Board?
On 28.09.2010, at 11:05, Tim McNamara wrote: On 25 September 2010 02:22, Pablo Flores pflor...@gmail.com wrote: My support to Rosamel too! The translation is not a minor issue and it would be good to challenge ourselves to find solutions so we can integrate in discussions people that speak different languages. Isn't there some kind of add-on for mailman for making automatic translations? También mi apoto a Rosamel ! El tema de las traducciones no es algo menor, y estaría bueno que nos desafiáramos a nosotros mismos a buscar soluciones que permitan integrar en las discusiones a gente que habla en distintos idiomas. No hay algún tipo de add-on para mailman que haga traducciones automáticas? Saludos, Pablo Flores Esperanto? ;) English does what Esperanto promised. To collaborate worldwide, learning English is essential. At the same time, empowering local Sugar Labs is essential. They should be the local-language contact, and mediators to the world-wide community. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Etoys, is it difficult or easy?
Interesting More on visual and text programming languages http://www98.griffith.edu.au/dspace/bitstream/10072/24250/1/52212_1.pdf Tony Quoting K. K. Subramaniam kksubbu...@gmail.com: On Tuesday 28 Sep 2010 2:59:57 am Dr. Gerald Ardito wrote: The 5th graders took pretty well to Etoys. It is the drawing piece that hooks them, and then the scripting part that really challenges them. And the 7th and 8th graders love Scratch. It is interesting to me because they also do plenty of painting of sprites and backgrounds, but something about the bricks seems to match their thinking process. This could be due to Stroop Effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroop_effect 5th graders may prefer to doodle with colors, shapes, icons and physical models. They can spend more time with manipulating morphs directly and creating patterns in Etoys. 7th graders, with their language dominant modes, look upon this as kids stuff and would dive right into programming. For the literates, Scratch is much easier than Etoys. I am getting ready to introduce my current 7th grade classes to Scratch and am looking forward to that I came across some cases where this doodling actually helped boost learning levels (across the board). So don't give up on Etoys yet :-). Dual modes (visual/textual) may be a good thing. Subbu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep _ This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Introduction
Hi Steven, On 09/28/2010 01:00 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:46, Steven Parrishsmparr...@gmail.com wrote: Some of you may have already heard that I have accepted a position with ActivityCentral to be the project manager for Dextrose. It feels like I have come full circle as I started out as a volunteer maintaining the F11 for the XO-1 builds for the past 18 months. That work was very rewarding and I was glad to see OLPC step in and release official builds based on my work. The F11 for the XO-1 was also a starting point for the original Dextrose system, which Bernie Innocenti brought to fruition. Now we will be taking the original Dextrose and expanding upon it. Dextrose2 will be the result. Based on Fedora11 and Sugar 0.88 it will strive for stability, while providing deployments with a customizable product. I have already started creating builds for the new system with additional language support, and they can be found at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Dextrose . The builds will be for both the XO-1 and XO-1.5 and will be available both with Gnome and without. We have a team of developers at SEETA who will be working on this with us. Many of them are already known to the community and more will become known as they join the effort. I have already started going over the outstanding issues and know that with everyone's help we can make Dextrose the Premier system for XO deployments. The issues that need to be worked on can be found at: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/query?status=acceptedstatus=assignedstatus=newstatus=reopenedorder=prioritycol=idcol=summarycol=statuscol=typecol=prioritycol=milestonecol=componentkeywords=$love and http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/query?status=acceptedstatus=assignedstatus=newstatus=reopenedorder=prioritycol=idcol=summarycol=componentcol=statuscol=typecol=prioritycol=milestonekeywords=$extrose If you are already working on any of these tickets please send me a quick note as to which tickets you are working on and what the status is. I look forward to working with everyone. I'm very happy to read this, look forward to work further with you. It would be very helpful if any new contributors could take the time to present themselves and their plans as you have done. Regards, Tomeu Thanks for your great introduction. It is a good habit to present oneself and his role to the community. I would like to encourage others to do so as well. Looking forward to work with you, Simon ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Etoys, is it difficult or easy?
A key work here is the classic Towards A Theory Of Instruction by Jerome Bruner, Harvard/Belknap Press, 1965. This is a must for anyone who is interested in designing and inventing learning environments. Cheers, Alan From: fors...@ozonline.com.au fors...@ozonline.com.au To: kksubbu...@gmail.com Cc: Cherry Withers cwith...@ekindling.org; Tim McNamara paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz; danielgast...@yahoo.com.ar; Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com; Steve Thomas stevesar...@gmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Tue, September 28, 2010 5:45:39 AM Subject: Re: [IAEP] Etoys, is it difficult or easy? Interesting More on visual and text programming languages http://www98.griffith.edu.au/dspace/bitstream/10072/24250/1/52212_1.pdf Tony Quoting K. K. Subramaniam kksubbu...@gmail.com: On Tuesday 28 Sep 2010 2:59:57 am Dr. Gerald Ardito wrote: The 5th graders took pretty well to Etoys. It is the drawing piece that hooks them, and then the scripting part that really challenges them. And the 7th and 8th graders love Scratch. It is interesting to me because they also do plenty of painting of sprites and backgrounds, but something about the bricks seems to match their thinking process. This could be due to Stroop Effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroop_effect 5th graders may prefer to doodle with colors, shapes, icons and physical models. They can spend more time with manipulating morphs directly and creating patterns in Etoys. 7th graders, with their language dominant modes, look upon this as kids stuff and would dive right into programming. For the literates, Scratch is much easier than Etoys. I am getting ready to introduce my current 7th grade classes to Scratch and am looking forward to that I came across some cases where this doodling actually helped boost learning levels (across the board). So don't give up on Etoys yet :-). Dual modes (visual/textual) may be a good thing. Subbu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep _ This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] how SF's Oct 22-24 Summit became Global--on a shoestring
Congrats Tabitha Roder for joining us all the way from New Zealand, confirming attendance from all continents: http://olpcSF.org/CommunitySummit2010/people.php http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_SanFranciscoBayArea/OLPCSF_Community_Summit_2010 You are (at least!) the 6th volunteer I know of who's Personally Busted Your Butt fundraising to successfully make this happen :) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sur] [Olpc-uruguay] Sugar Labs Oversight Board?
This should be one of the ''duties'' of a community manager, making that liasons between different language communities continue and strenght over time. But more thatn that there is a need of translation bridges done by community members, for this case Caryl and Pablo are examples. Esta debe ser una de las ''responsabilidades'' de un director de la comunidad, hacer que estas las uniones entre comunidades con diferentes lenguajes crezcan y se fortalezcan con el tiempo. Pero mas alla de esto simpre son necesarios puentes de traduccion hechos por personas pertenecientes a la comunidad, para este caso Caryl o Pablo son un ejemplo. Rafael Ortiz On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 28.09.2010, at 11:05, Tim McNamara wrote: On 25 September 2010 02:22, Pablo Flores pflor...@gmail.com wrote: My support to Rosamel too! The translation is not a minor issue and it would be good to challenge ourselves to find solutions so we can integrate in discussions people that speak different languages. Isn't there some kind of add-on for mailman for making automatic translations? También mi apoto a Rosamel ! El tema de las traducciones no es algo menor, y estaría bueno que nos desafiáramos a nosotros mismos a buscar soluciones que permitan integrar en las discusiones a gente que habla en distintos idiomas. No hay algún tipo de add-on para mailman que haga traducciones automáticas? Saludos, Pablo Flores Esperanto? ;) English does what Esperanto promised. To collaborate worldwide, learning English is essential. At the same time, empowering local Sugar Labs is essential. They should be the local-language contact, and mediators to the world-wide community. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
