Re: [IAEP] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements

2016-05-23 Thread Dave Crossland 
On 23 May 2016 at 12:57, Sean DALY  wrote:

> Let's be as serious about marketing as we are about coding.
>

$600 is plenty serious :)
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Re: [IAEP] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements

2016-05-23 Thread Sean DALY 
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Using gitorious we are running this experiment for $0, which is why I'm
> keen to get the move to github over with :)



Let's be as serious about marketing as we are about coding.
Sean
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Re: [IAEP] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements

2016-05-23 Thread Dave Crossland 
Hi

On 23 May 2016 at 10:26, Sean DALY  wrote:

> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> Offering to suggest a codename is hardly "handing over marketing." Let's
>> experiment! :)
>
>
>
> Let's experiment with random code to be inserted anywhere, for only $600!
> :)
>

Using gitorious we are running this experiment for $0, which is why I'm
keen to get the move to github over with :)

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Re: [IAEP] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements

2016-05-23 Thread Sean DALY 
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Offering to suggest a codename is hardly "handing over marketing." Let's
> experiment! :)



Let's experiment with random code to be inserted anywhere, for only $600!
:)
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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements

2016-05-23 Thread Dave Crossland 
Hi!

On 23 May 2016 at 09:44, Tony Anderson  wrote:

> I am not aware of any method to donate money to Sugar Labs. I understand
> we need to make the donations to SFC and somehow have the money arrive in
> our funds.
>

That's right.

The #1 service for member projects listed at
http://sfconservancy.org/members/services/ is:

*Tax-Deductible, Earmarked Donations*

Member projects can receive earmarked donations through Conservancy. Since
Conservancy is a 501(c)(3) charity incorporated in New York, donors can
often deduct the donation on their USA taxes. Additionally, the donors can
indicate that their donation should be used to advance a specific member
project, and those funds are kept in a separate account for the member
project by Conservancy. This structure prevents developers from having to
commingle project funds with their own personal accounts or having to set
up their own project specific account.

Since Conservancy is a tax-exempt organization, there are some limits that
the law places on what member projects can do with their assets, but those
limits are the same as if the project was an independent non-profit entity.
Usually, the project leadership instructs Conservancy's leadership on how
the project's funds are spent. Conservancy spends these funds on the
project's behalf on any expenses that constitute appropriate activity under
Conservancy's 501(c)(3) not-for-profit mission. Some typical uses of
earmarked donations by Conservancy's member projects are:


   - funding travel expenses for project developers to attend relevant
  conferences.
  - domain name fees, bandwidth costs, and computer equipment purchases.
  - purchasing media for distribution of project software at
  conferences and events.
  - paying key developers on a contractual basis to improve the
  project's software and its documentation.
  - sponsoring and organizing conferences for the project.
  - trademark registration and enforcement.
  - FLOSS license enforcement and compliance activity.


http://sfconservancy.org/donate/ says,

*Donate to Our Member Projects*


Finally, Conservancy also maintains directed donation programs for its
member projects. Donation links for these directed donation programs are
typically found on the individual websites of our members.


https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Donate says,

Mail us a check

Please make your check payable to:


Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc.

and place this note in the memo field:


Directed donation: Sugar Labs

Checks should then be mailed to:


Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc.

137 MONTAGUE ST STE 380

Brooklyn, NY 11201-3548

USA


This needs to be made very clear on the web site.
>

Sure :) Please draft something for what you think should be on the website
donation page :)


> I am not referring to 'lying', I am referring to asking the question. If
> it is a donation, a person can donate what they feel comfortable with.
>

I don't understand your point :)

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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements

2016-05-23 Thread Tony Anderson 

Hi, Dave

I am not aware of any method to donate money to Sugar Labs. I understand 
we need to make the donations to SFC and somehow have the money

arrive in our funds. This needs to be made very clear on the web site.

I am not referring to 'lying', I am referring to asking the question. If 
it is a donation, a person can donate what they feel comfortable with.


Tony

On 05/23/2016 03:24 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:


Hi

On 23 May 2016 at 09:07, Tony Anderson > wrote:


I agree completely. However, if the donations are requested, I
think we should suggest 'typical' amounts.


Both my and Sean's motions include suggested amounts :)

This is a world-wide organization so we need to be careful about
defining 'self-identifying as low-income'.


Why? Anyone can lie about it, and that's totally fine with me.

So I would amend the motion to

Motion: To request donations from Sugar Labs Members and the
general public, to be allocated to the General Fund through the
SFC. A simple payment method will be implemented (e.g. Pay Pal,
credit/debit cards) ensuring tax-exemption where possible.


We don't need a motion to solicit general donations, nor state that a 
simple payment method will be implemented, because we already do both 
of those things :)


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Re: [IAEP] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements

2016-05-23 Thread Dave Crossland 
On 23 May 2016 at 08:53, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> I will mention this in the solicitation email.
>

I updated the draft, and I invite everyone to comment and suggest changes :)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CPQRFvCwj-Az79PB3Y85aK8Pv5Sl1EODs07m9phAS5U/edit#
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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements

2016-05-23 Thread Dave Crossland 
Hi

On 23 May 2016 at 09:07, Tony Anderson  wrote:

> I agree completely. However, if the donations are requested, I think we
> should suggest 'typical' amounts.
>

Both my and Sean's motions include suggested amounts :)


> This is a world-wide organization so we need to be careful about defining
> 'self-identifying as low-income'.
>

Why? Anyone can lie about it, and that's totally fine with me.


> So I would amend the motion to
>
> Motion: To request donations from Sugar Labs Members and the general
> public, to be allocated to the General Fund through the SFC. A simple
> payment method will be implemented (e.g. Pay Pal, credit/debit cards)
> ensuring tax-exemption where possible.
>

We don't need a motion to solicit general donations, nor state that a
simple payment method will be implemented, because we already do both of
those things :)

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[IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements

2016-05-23 Thread Tony Anderson 





I agree completely. However, if the donations are requested, I think we 
should suggest 'typical' amounts. This is a world-wide organization so 
we need

to be careful about defining 'self-identifying as low-income'.

So I would amend the motion to

Motion: To request donations from Sugar Labs Members and the general 
public, to be allocated to the General Fund through the SFC. A simple 
payment method will be implemented (e.g. Pay Pal, credit/debit cards) 
ensuring tax-exemption where possible.


Tony

On 05/23/2016 10:42 AM, Sean DALY wrote:
Handing over marketing to anyone with a deep pocket is 
incomprehensible to me, I'd much rather just see "gold sponsor status" 
or something similar. Do people really need the recognition?


I'm also confused about the public statement bit - don't we already 
have member pages? Important contributions are made by members who 
already donate their time and would perhaps prefer not to donate funds 
too, do they get to do a public statement?


Social media offers a very effective means for microdonation 
fundraising drives, and we haven't done that yet. As I understand it, 
this is more like voluntary membership dues - a fundraising drive 
(which would be associated with a tangible goal, e.g. an alternate 
hardware platform) would be separate.


In my view, requesting conditions or offering perks shouldn't be 
associated with voluntary membership dues. I'd prefer the following:


Motion: To request donations from Sugar Labs Members, to be allocated 
to the General Fund through the SFC. The annual donation requested 
will be $12 USD from members who self-identify as low-income (such as 
students); $36, $120, or $600 USD from general members.


Sean



On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 8:05 PM, Dave Crossland > wrote:



Hi

Motion: To request a membership donation from each currently
active Sugar Labs Member to be allocated to the General Fund for
the calendar year of 2016, and a public statement about how they
use Sugar and why they are involved in Sugar Labs to post on the
website; there is no penalty for not paying a membership or not
providing a statement; by default members who donate will be kept
private, and requested to opt-in to be recognised. The donation
requested will be $12 USD from members who self-identify as
low-income (such as students); $36 USD from general members; $120
from members who can opt-in to be placed prominently on the
website; and $600 from members who can (privately if they wish)
submit a release codename, subject to SLOB approval.

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Re: [IAEP] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements

2016-05-23 Thread Dave Crossland 
Hi Sean!

On 23 May 2016 at 04:42, Sean DALY  wrote:

> Handing over marketing to anyone with a deep pocket is incomprehensible to
> me, I'd much rather just see "gold sponsor status" or something similar. Do
> people really need the recognition?
>

Offering to suggest a codename is hardly "handing over marketing." Let's
experiment! :)


> I'm also confused about the public statement bit - don't we already have
> member pages?
>

I can't see anything on www.sugarlabs.org ;)


> Important contributions are made by members who already donate their time
> and would perhaps prefer not to donate funds too, do they get to do a
> public statement?
>

Sure! Anyone can make a pull request to the website :)


> Social media offers a very effective means for microdonation fundraising
> drives, and we haven't done that yet. As I understand it, this is more like
> voluntary membership dues - a fundraising drive (which would be associated
> with a tangible goal, e.g. an alternate hardware platform) would be
> separate.
>

Yep :)


> In my view, requesting conditions or offering perks shouldn't be
> associated with voluntary membership dues. I'd prefer the following:
>
> Motion: To request donations from Sugar Labs Members, to be allocated to
> the General Fund through the SFC. The annual donation requested will be $12
> USD from members who self-identify as low-income (such as students); $36,
> $120, or $600 USD from general members.
>

Since you sent this to SLOBs, I guess they will have to vote on both
motions and we'll see which is passed :D

Cheers
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Re: [IAEP] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements

2016-05-23 Thread Dave Crossland 
On 23 May 2016 at 00:14, Samuel Greenfeld  wrote:

> Would it be possible to rephrase this to make it a tax-deductible (at
> least in the US) donation request routed through the SFC rather than
> sounding like membership dues?
>

I intent it to be like membership dues.

All donations to Conservancy are tax deductible.

I will mention this in the solicitation email.
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Re: [IAEP] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements

2016-05-23 Thread Sean DALY 
Handing over marketing to anyone with a deep pocket is incomprehensible to
me, I'd much rather just see "gold sponsor status" or something similar. Do
people really need the recognition?

I'm also confused about the public statement bit - don't we already have
member pages? Important contributions are made by members who already
donate their time and would perhaps prefer not to donate funds too, do they
get to do a public statement?

Social media offers a very effective means for microdonation fundraising
drives, and we haven't done that yet. As I understand it, this is more like
voluntary membership dues - a fundraising drive (which would be associated
with a tangible goal, e.g. an alternate hardware platform) would be
separate.

In my view, requesting conditions or offering perks shouldn't be associated
with voluntary membership dues. I'd prefer the following:

Motion: To request donations from Sugar Labs Members, to be allocated to
the General Fund through the SFC. The annual donation requested will be $12
USD from members who self-identify as low-income (such as students); $36,
$120, or $600 USD from general members.

Sean



On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 8:05 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> Hi
>
> Motion: To request a membership donation from each currently active Sugar
> Labs Member to be allocated to the General Fund for the calendar year of
> 2016, and a public statement about how they use Sugar and why they are
> involved in Sugar Labs to post on the website; there is no penalty for not
> paying a membership or not providing a statement; by default members who
> donate will be kept private, and requested to opt-in to be recognised. The
> donation requested will be $12 USD from members who self-identify as
> low-income (such as students); $36 USD from general members; $120 from
> members who can opt-in to be placed prominently on the website; and $600
> from members who can (privately if they wish) submit a release codename,
> subject to SLOB approval.
>
> --
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> Dave
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