Re: [IAEP] Trinom.io / education

[Dave Crossland]

On 23 June 2016 at 19:56, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>
> According to your logic if for example Microsoft hires Gonzalo, Microsoft
> can claim the same?
>
> Sorry, but we don't agree on this one ;D

What position in Trinomio does Gonzalo hold?

If he held the same position in Microsoft, then yes, MS could claim the same.

But that seems unlikely; my logic is different if you form a company
and are a director than if you join a huge multinational as just a cog
in their wheelhouse.
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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] The End of Sugar (thought exercise)

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Sam

On Jun 22, 2016 9:45 PM, "Samuel Greenfeld"  wrote:
>
> Historically there have been several organizations financially supporting 
> Sugar development.
>
> But at least some of those have left, others have reduced their 
> contributions, and it is unclear to me if any new groups have made 
> significant tangible investments in the project.

Right. I'm pretty sure the only financial support this year is from
olpc inc in the form of James Cameron's time, and google in gsoc/gci
stipend donations. Again, I think the Trip Advisor capital was a
one-time donation and it must be spent in a way that creates surplus
value, increasing the financial resources of the project, rather than
spent in ways that decrease it.

> The XO laptop and icon, both commonly associated with Sugar, are OLPC 
> trademarks.  There is nothing stopping anyone from licensing these and 
> putting applications in the Android/Apple/Chromebook stores claiming to be 
> "Based on Sugar" with a new "Journal" interface.

I expect no one is interested in those trademarks, given One Education
isn't using them today and was interested in them in the past. I
speculate either olpc inc isn't licensing them at all, or their price
is prohibitive; and I suspect the former is more likely.

However, I also think that anyone can make a journalling launcher and
reimplement other good ideas from sugar, and similar to Walter's
reply, I would be very happy to see sugars ideas reimplemented - as
that would validate they are indeed as good an idea as we assume they
are.

> In short: Sugar is having trouble expanding beyond its current territory, or 
> at least publicly appears to be.

Rather, I would say that Sugar has lost most of its territory - ALSO
download metrics show Sugar usage has fallen by 90% over 3 years.

> So this week I thought of a couple of questions:
> What would cause you and/or your school(s) to stop using Sugar?

It appears to me that the number of people subscribed to this list who
regularly engage a school deployment can be counted on one hand - eg I
believe that Tony and Adam are - but the number people who can speak
for "their school" as in their employer is zero. I'll be very happy to
hear I am mistaken about this, though! :)

I offer the following speculative user stories for existing
institutional users of Sugar Desktop to quit:

1. "I'm not dissatisfied with Sugar Desktop, but I can not continue to
use it because the school district or other higher state power has now
mandated that I use certain software but Sugar Desktop can't run it -
either web based, such as Google Classroom or Blackboard, or desktop
based for the Windows or Android platforms. (While we have Sugarizer
that they could use alongside such software, Lionel said last month
that as far as he knows no schools use it.)";

2. "I'm not dissatisfied with Sugar Desktop, but I can not continue to
use it because I'm not aware of any contemporary cheap rugged laptops
that I can buy with Sugar pre-installed and a support contract, and
I'm not able to organize installing it on commodity hardware and
supporting it myself";

3. "I'm dissatisfied with Sugar Desktop because I want it to never
crash (I know of 5 reproducible crashes that went unfixed for more
than 12 months, and we hate it because we lose our work)";

4. "I'm dissatisfied with Sugar Desktop because I want better existing
features (I know of 5 obvious big problems that went unaddressed for
more than 12 months, and we hate it because we know software should
get better over time)";

5. I'm dissatisfied with Sugar Desktop because I want different/new
features (I know of 5 obvious new activities that no one has started
creating, and we hate it because we want to do new things);


> What would another project have to offer in order for it to be used instead?

As I wrote above, the most obvious allure of other projects is that
they are not "total" platforms, but integrate with other software -
likely proprietary - that the school has already licensed. I heard
from Sridhar who was CTO of OLPC-AU that he had debates with schools
that computers should even be available to young kids in classrooms,
and that today the situation has totally changed and now schools not
only agree that they should be available, but now expect to continue
using software that they are using and will not give up on.

> When would it be a good idea to move everyone to a new project?

I think that Sugar Desktop will have 100,000+ users on XO-1s until
2020 (representing 10%+ of the number of laptops sold) and so it makes
sense to continue the project until then.

If in the next 4 years there is no increase in the number of daily
downloads from ASLO (or a similar daily active use metric) then I
think 2020 when the XO-1s become unmaintainable will be a good date to
shut everything down.

I hope that in the next 4 years, Sugar Labs can push those metrics
back up to where they were 3 years ago, and can succeeded at working
with 

Re: [IAEP] Trinom.io / education

[Laura Vargas]

2016-06-24 3:54 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland :

> On 23 June 2016 at 13:39, Laura Vargas  wrote:
> > My point is that what this company say they do is what Sugar Labs does...
>
> I confused :) Lots of companies do this, though?
>
> I think this company can legitimately claim to have actively
> participated in the development of the educational environment Sugar
> while Gonzalo is part of that company.
>


 According to your logic if for example Microsoft hires Gonzalo, Microsoft
can claim the same?

Sorry, but we don't agree on this one ;D


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Fwd: Google for Nonprofits Affiliation Request Sent

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Sean

On 23 June 2016 at 07:21, Sean DALY  wrote:
> OK Dave, you're the new Marketing Coordinator!

The wiki page https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team had:

1 (617) 500-9610

[[Marketing Team/Phone]] is the new number that journalists can call for
> quotes, interviews, clarifications, etc. about Sugar. This is a VoIP number
> which at this time forwards either to the Marketing Coordinator, an
> Oversight Board member, or voicemail which is forwarded as a timestamped
> soundfile to pr AT sugarlabs DOT org, an account monitored through
> forwarding by the Marketing Coordinator and two others. Unfortunately, our
> previous provider has gone out of business and stopped service at the end
> of March 2011, so the old PR number no longer works.


Is this current information? I think you said that it was discontinued, but
I can't find a reference to confirm that (yet)

If it is still in operation, how can I be added to the list of people who
monitor it, and how can I ensure it is kept in operation?

Is there anything else you'd like to see done as part of the succession
process?

Cheers
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Sean

I am absolutely certain that I have not seen a reply from you
regarding the email below. If I have missed your reply, please send me
a link to it on a web archive, or simply resend it as a reply to this
email :)

On 6 June 2016 at 10:22, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> On 6 June 2016 at 06:04, Sean DALY  wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:13 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
 I developed the Sugar on a Stick strategy in 2009
>>>
>>> Where can I read this?
>>
>> The Marketing mailing list, 2009
>
> I searched the 2009 mailing list for "sean strategy" and didn't find anything.
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/search?a=1=marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org=sean+strategy=0=0===1y=2009-01-01==relevance
>
> I removed the date filter and:
>
> I found 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg00974.html
> from 2010 where walter posted a social media strategy from
> 'rmesquita', and an idea from Sebastian to host a statusnet instance
> with a sugar skin;
>
> I found 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg00864.html
> from 2010 where you said you'd write a strategy for collaboration with
> OLPCA;
>
> I found 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg01515.html
> from 2011 where you note the absence of OLPC marketing support, and
> conclude with 3 recommendations, (a) marketing is expensive and we
> should raise general funds for it, (b) we should have a web forum for
> teachers and (c) form a committee, and require SLOB to include a
> portion of educators;
>
> and I found 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/marketing%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg01819.html
> from 2013 where you say there isn't a marketing strategy.
>
> Since I could not find the Sugar on a Stick strategy from 2009, please
> could you?
>
> I have added the goals of making a marketing strategy and a social
> media marketing strategy to https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/2016_Goals



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Re: [IAEP] Trinom.io / education

[Dave Crossland]

On 23 June 2016 at 13:39, Laura Vargas  wrote:
> My point is that what this company say they do is what Sugar Labs does...

I confused :) Lots of companies do this, though?

I think this company can legitimately claim to have actively
participated in the development of the educational environment Sugar
while Gonzalo is part of that company.
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Re: [IAEP] Trinom.io / education

[Laura Vargas]

2016-06-23 20:50 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland :

> Hi Laura
>
> Kindly I don't think that is how trademarks work. Afaik sugar itself isn't
> a trademark. If it was probably the sugar network and sugarizer would need
> to be licensed, but afaik they arent. This company doesn't represent itself
> as "Sugar Labs"
>

My point is that what this company say they do is what Sugar Labs does...

> which is a tm (and as other companies do, which I think is problematic)
> but says that it (which implies its officers) contribute to sugar which
> seems plainly true.
>
> Maybe your suggested clarification is good, but its not a trademark issue.
> The point of trademarks are to prevent confusion by consumers about who is
> offering commodities.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
> On Jun 23, 2016 12:48 AM, "Laura Vargas"  wrote:
>
>> Hi Gonzalo,
>>
>> Just read the description of the company Trinomio, and I really don't
>> understand why there is the following statement under the Education section:
>>
>> "Hemos participado activamente en el desarrollo del entorno educativo
>> Sugar, y en más de 40 aplicaciones educativas útiles para la lecto
>> escritura, matemáticas, aprendizaje de ciencias, etc."
>>
>> Google translation: "We have actively participated in the development of
>> the educational environment Sugar, and more than 40 educational
>> applications useful for reading and writing, math, science learning, etc."
>>
>> http://www.trinom.io/educacion/
>>
>> I might be wrong but Sugar is a trademark and unless this Company can
>> prove that it has actually "participated in the development of the
>> educational environment Sugar" they should remove such statement from their
>> website.
>>
>> If it is your personal experience that needs to be underlined maybe the
>> statement should read something like "one of our team members have actively
>> participated in the development of the educational environment Sugar, and
>> more than 40 educational applications useful for...".
>>
>>
>> Thanks and kind regards
>>
>> --
>> Laura V.
>> I SomosAZUCAR.Org
>> Happy Learning!
>>
>>
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>


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Fwd: Google for Nonprofits Affiliation Request Sent

[Sean DALY]

Dave - I did already, see the threads
Sean


On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Hi Sean
>
> Sincerel I'm sorry to hear that.
>
> Please do share with us the old marketing strategy, I am keen to see it :)
>
> Cheers
> Dave
> On Jun 23, 2016 7:21 AM, "Sean DALY"  wrote:
>
>> OK Dave, you're the new Marketing Coordinator!
>>
>> Perhaps it's best that I bow out and become just an interested observer.
>> I just don't have the time to explain marketing fundamentals and also
>> develop strategy and execution.
>>
>> thanks & good luck
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sean
>>>
>>> On 22 June 2016 at 15:37, Sean DALY  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We agree on using Google AdWords, but no work has been done on
>>> communication
>>> > strategy, and although I am thrilled there is interest in marketing, I
>>> am
>>> > also very concerned that more emphasis seems to be on the media rather
>>> than
>>> > the message, and my requests that this be worked on before starting
>>> > campaigns aren't leading anywhere.
>>>
>>> Where you've requested this be worked on, Samson has got back to you
>>> with a proposal document, and there have been comments from members.
>>>
>>> If you want to lead the marketing effort, I think its incumbent upon
>>> you to either ask Samson to go over the feedback he got and use it to
>>> improve his proposal document and share a new version, if that is the
>>> next step you think he should take; or, to draft your own document
>>> that lays out the strategy that you think we ought to be working on
>>> together, and solicit comments on it.
>>>
>>> Do you see alternative actions to take to lead this somewhere? I'm
>>> eager to hear them :)
>>>
>>> If you agree those 2 paths forward would be good, please take one.
>>>
>>> > It's true that I am more interested in marketing to teachers than
>>> recruiting
>>> > FLOSS developers, but with social media it's more important than ever
>>> to
>>> > have an integrated plan.
>>>
>>> If you want an integrated plan, please work with Samson and myself and
>>> all other members to create one :)
>>>
>>> I am also waiting for a reply to my email asking you to provide links
>>> to the plans written in the past.
>>>
>>> > Dave, if this doesn't make sense to you, you can coordinate marketing
>>> from
>>> > now on, I'm not sure I have the energy to repeat myself over and over.
>>> I can
>>> > only say I know what works and what doesn't, and randomness in
>>> marketing
>>> > doesn't.
>>>
>>> I don't think Samson and I are opposed to following your lead.
>>>
>>> If you think our approach is 'random,' then please do work on a
>>> structured approach with us.
>>>
>>> Rather, I think what Samson and I are opposed to is inaction; you said
>>> on the call the other day -
>>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016/Call_1 - that you
>>> have been "mystified" for the last 2-3 years on how to market Sugar,
>>> that in the early days you developed a good strategy - which I am yet
>>> to read - but a crisis developed in how to get tasks that you think
>>> needed to be done to become completed within a volunteer community.
>>> You didn't do them yourself, and no one did them, and so the marketing
>>> aspects of Sugar have dried up.
>>>
>>> Well, here is me and Samson eager to volunteer and get things going.
>>>
>>> If you want to "assign" tasks to us, we might say that we don't take
>>> orders. Sure. But if you want to work with us to list all the possible
>>> tasks, and to prioritise them, and then to do these tasks yourself and
>>> ask us to join you in doing them, then I expect we will be happy to
>>> join you.
>>>
>>> Samson, do you agree?
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [IAEP] Trinom.io / education

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Laura

Kindly I don't think that is how trademarks work. Afaik sugar itself isn't
a trademark. If it was probably the sugar network and sugarizer would need
to be licensed, but afaik they arent. This company doesn't represent itself
as "Sugar Labs" which is a tm (and as other companies do, which I think is
problematic) but says that it (which implies its officers) contribute to
sugar which seems plainly true.

Maybe your suggested clarification is good, but its not a trademark issue.
The point of trademarks are to prevent confusion by consumers about who is
offering commodities.

Cheers
Dave
On Jun 23, 2016 12:48 AM, "Laura Vargas"  wrote:

> Hi Gonzalo,
>
> Just read the description of the company Trinomio, and I really don't
> understand why there is the following statement under the Education section:
>
> "Hemos participado activamente en el desarrollo del entorno educativo
> Sugar, y en más de 40 aplicaciones educativas útiles para la lecto
> escritura, matemáticas, aprendizaje de ciencias, etc."
>
> Google translation: "We have actively participated in the development of
> the educational environment Sugar, and more than 40 educational
> applications useful for reading and writing, math, science learning, etc."
>
> http://www.trinom.io/educacion/
>
> I might be wrong but Sugar is a trademark and unless this Company can
> prove that it has actually "participated in the development of the
> educational environment Sugar" they should remove such statement from their
> website.
>
> If it is your personal experience that needs to be underlined maybe the
> statement should read something like "one of our team members have actively
> participated in the development of the educational environment Sugar, and
> more than 40 educational applications useful for...".
>
>
> Thanks and kind regards
>
> --
> Laura V.
> I SomosAZUCAR.Org
> Happy Learning!
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Fwd: Google for Nonprofits Affiliation Request Sent

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Sean

Sincerel I'm sorry to hear that.

Please do share with us the old marketing strategy, I am keen to see it :)

Cheers
Dave
On Jun 23, 2016 7:21 AM, "Sean DALY"  wrote:

> OK Dave, you're the new Marketing Coordinator!
>
> Perhaps it's best that I bow out and become just an interested observer. I
> just don't have the time to explain marketing fundamentals and also develop
> strategy and execution.
>
> thanks & good luck
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> Hi Sean
>>
>> On 22 June 2016 at 15:37, Sean DALY  wrote:
>> >
>> > We agree on using Google AdWords, but no work has been done on
>> communication
>> > strategy, and although I am thrilled there is interest in marketing, I
>> am
>> > also very concerned that more emphasis seems to be on the media rather
>> than
>> > the message, and my requests that this be worked on before starting
>> > campaigns aren't leading anywhere.
>>
>> Where you've requested this be worked on, Samson has got back to you
>> with a proposal document, and there have been comments from members.
>>
>> If you want to lead the marketing effort, I think its incumbent upon
>> you to either ask Samson to go over the feedback he got and use it to
>> improve his proposal document and share a new version, if that is the
>> next step you think he should take; or, to draft your own document
>> that lays out the strategy that you think we ought to be working on
>> together, and solicit comments on it.
>>
>> Do you see alternative actions to take to lead this somewhere? I'm
>> eager to hear them :)
>>
>> If you agree those 2 paths forward would be good, please take one.
>>
>> > It's true that I am more interested in marketing to teachers than
>> recruiting
>> > FLOSS developers, but with social media it's more important than ever to
>> > have an integrated plan.
>>
>> If you want an integrated plan, please work with Samson and myself and
>> all other members to create one :)
>>
>> I am also waiting for a reply to my email asking you to provide links
>> to the plans written in the past.
>>
>> > Dave, if this doesn't make sense to you, you can coordinate marketing
>> from
>> > now on, I'm not sure I have the energy to repeat myself over and over.
>> I can
>> > only say I know what works and what doesn't, and randomness in marketing
>> > doesn't.
>>
>> I don't think Samson and I are opposed to following your lead.
>>
>> If you think our approach is 'random,' then please do work on a
>> structured approach with us.
>>
>> Rather, I think what Samson and I are opposed to is inaction; you said
>> on the call the other day -
>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016/Call_1 - that you
>> have been "mystified" for the last 2-3 years on how to market Sugar,
>> that in the early days you developed a good strategy - which I am yet
>> to read - but a crisis developed in how to get tasks that you think
>> needed to be done to become completed within a volunteer community.
>> You didn't do them yourself, and no one did them, and so the marketing
>> aspects of Sugar have dried up.
>>
>> Well, here is me and Samson eager to volunteer and get things going.
>>
>> If you want to "assign" tasks to us, we might say that we don't take
>> orders. Sure. But if you want to work with us to list all the possible
>> tasks, and to prioritise them, and then to do these tasks yourself and
>> ask us to join you in doing them, then I expect we will be happy to
>> join you.
>>
>> Samson, do you agree?
>>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] i don't recieve mail via IAEP

[Dave Crossland]

On Jun 23, 2016 7:19 AM, "samson goddy"  wrote:
>
> I don't recieve messages on IAEP list. I tried subscribing, I guess it's
not working too. Can some please check it out for me.

Please reply to this email top conform receipt

>
> Samson Goddy
>
> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Fwd: Google for Nonprofits Affiliation Request Sent

[Sean DALY]

OK Dave, you're the new Marketing Coordinator!

Perhaps it's best that I bow out and become just an interested observer. I
just don't have the time to explain marketing fundamentals and also develop
strategy and execution.

thanks & good luck

Sean


On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Hi Sean
>
> On 22 June 2016 at 15:37, Sean DALY  wrote:
> >
> > We agree on using Google AdWords, but no work has been done on
> communication
> > strategy, and although I am thrilled there is interest in marketing, I am
> > also very concerned that more emphasis seems to be on the media rather
> than
> > the message, and my requests that this be worked on before starting
> > campaigns aren't leading anywhere.
>
> Where you've requested this be worked on, Samson has got back to you
> with a proposal document, and there have been comments from members.
>
> If you want to lead the marketing effort, I think its incumbent upon
> you to either ask Samson to go over the feedback he got and use it to
> improve his proposal document and share a new version, if that is the
> next step you think he should take; or, to draft your own document
> that lays out the strategy that you think we ought to be working on
> together, and solicit comments on it.
>
> Do you see alternative actions to take to lead this somewhere? I'm
> eager to hear them :)
>
> If you agree those 2 paths forward would be good, please take one.
>
> > It's true that I am more interested in marketing to teachers than
> recruiting
> > FLOSS developers, but with social media it's more important than ever to
> > have an integrated plan.
>
> If you want an integrated plan, please work with Samson and myself and
> all other members to create one :)
>
> I am also waiting for a reply to my email asking you to provide links
> to the plans written in the past.
>
> > Dave, if this doesn't make sense to you, you can coordinate marketing
> from
> > now on, I'm not sure I have the energy to repeat myself over and over. I
> can
> > only say I know what works and what doesn't, and randomness in marketing
> > doesn't.
>
> I don't think Samson and I are opposed to following your lead.
>
> If you think our approach is 'random,' then please do work on a
> structured approach with us.
>
> Rather, I think what Samson and I are opposed to is inaction; you said
> on the call the other day -
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016/Call_1 - that you
> have been "mystified" for the last 2-3 years on how to market Sugar,
> that in the early days you developed a good strategy - which I am yet
> to read - but a crisis developed in how to get tasks that you think
> needed to be done to become completed within a volunteer community.
> You didn't do them yourself, and no one did them, and so the marketing
> aspects of Sugar have dried up.
>
> Well, here is me and Samson eager to volunteer and get things going.
>
> If you want to "assign" tasks to us, we might say that we don't take
> orders. Sure. But if you want to work with us to list all the possible
> tasks, and to prioritise them, and then to do these tasks yourself and
> ask us to join you in doing them, then I expect we will be happy to
> join you.
>
> Samson, do you agree?
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [SLOBS] Fwd: Google for Nonprofits Affiliation Request Sent

[samson goddy]

yeah, +1 on that dave. Dave says it all!

> From: d...@lab6.com
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 00:41:42 -0400
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> CC: market...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; 
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> Affiliation Request Sent
> 
> Hi Sean
> 
> On 22 June 2016 at 15:37, Sean DALY  wrote:
> >
> > We agree on using Google AdWords, but no work has been done on communication
> > strategy, and although I am thrilled there is interest in marketing, I am
> > also very concerned that more emphasis seems to be on the media rather than
> > the message, and my requests that this be worked on before starting
> > campaigns aren't leading anywhere.
> 
> Where you've requested this be worked on, Samson has got back to you
> with a proposal document, and there have been comments from members.
> 
> If you want to lead the marketing effort, I think its incumbent upon
> you to either ask Samson to go over the feedback he got and use it to
> improve his proposal document and share a new version, if that is the
> next step you think he should take; or, to draft your own document
> that lays out the strategy that you think we ought to be working on
> together, and solicit comments on it.
> 
> Do you see alternative actions to take to lead this somewhere? I'm
> eager to hear them :)
> 
> If you agree those 2 paths forward would be good, please take one.
> 
> > It's true that I am more interested in marketing to teachers than recruiting
> > FLOSS developers, but with social media it's more important than ever to
> > have an integrated plan.
> 
> If you want an integrated plan, please work with Samson and myself and
> all other members to create one :)
> 
> I am also waiting for a reply to my email asking you to provide links
> to the plans written in the past.
> 
> > Dave, if this doesn't make sense to you, you can coordinate marketing from
> > now on, I'm not sure I have the energy to repeat myself over and over. I can
> > only say I know what works and what doesn't, and randomness in marketing
> > doesn't.
> 
> I don't think Samson and I are opposed to following your lead.
> 
> If you think our approach is 'random,' then please do work on a
> structured approach with us.
> 
> Rather, I think what Samson and I are opposed to is inaction; you said
> on the call the other day -
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016/Call_1 - that you
> have been "mystified" for the last 2-3 years on how to market Sugar,
> that in the early days you developed a good strategy - which I am yet
> to read - but a crisis developed in how to get tasks that you think
> needed to be done to become completed within a volunteer community.
> You didn't do them yourself, and no one did them, and so the marketing
> aspects of Sugar have dried up.
> 
> Well, here is me and Samson eager to volunteer and get things going.
> 
> If you want to "assign" tasks to us, we might say that we don't take
> orders. Sure. But if you want to work with us to list all the possible
> tasks, and to prioritise them, and then to do these tasks yourself and
> ask us to join you in doing them, then I expect we will be happy to
> join you.
> 
> Samson, do you agree?
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Re: [IAEP] Which cheap 2016 Laptop should be our reference?

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Samuel Greenfeld (2016-06-23 01:10:53)
> I am going to take the unpopular stance here and say if all you are 
> willing to support is a computer which requires no binary blobs, you 
> are going to support no computer at all.

Seems you misread my mail, then: I explicitly do not talk about "at all" 
but "not even boot":

> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Jonas Smedegaard  wrote:
>>> I think the situation has changed?  Can't the rpi3 run mainline 
>>> kernel?
>>
>> No, it cannot *boot* without non-free blobs!
>>
>> No ARM devices can do 3D graphics without non-free blobs, but the RPi 
>> boards are particularly bad in that the 3D graphics is hardwired to 
>> the bootup process.

Regards,

 - Jonas

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[IAEP] Sugar Vision

[Tony Anderson]

Yet another try.


Sugar Labs develops and supports Sugar. Sugar is a software system 
inspired by Alan Kay's Dynabook vision of a personal portable computer 
for children.
While originally designed and implemented for the One Laptop per Child 
XO laptop, Sugar is available to anyone (GPLv3) and for any computer 
supporting GNU/Linux or a standards-compliant browser.


Sugar provides a library of programs called activities. Anyone can 
contribute to this library including the children themselves. Sugar 
enables children to use these activities to learn both individually and 
by working with others. Sugar and its activities use icons to minimize 
dependency on text while supporting text in the child's own language. 
Activities offer a simple and consistent interface so skills discovered 
in one activity can be applied in another.


Sugar is designed to promote creation of new work which is saved in a 
single location, the Journal. The Journal provides easy access to 
inexperienced users. It enables users to see what they have created and 
to enrich these creations as their skills mature.


Tony
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