[IAEP] Sugarizer1° Revisited

[Caryl Bigenho]

Hello All,

I think somewhere some of the people of SugarLabs have “lost their way.” When I 
joined the OLPC support-gang nearly ten years ago and, later, Sugar Labs I was 
excited by the concept of bringing collaborative, constructionism to children’s 
learning all over the world. Later, as the XOs were no longer readily 
available, Lionel’s idea of “Sugar on any device” promised an exciting way that 
this could still actually happen.

Now, I am seeing an attempt by a few individuals to usurp all this and drive 
the program to just a few chosen areas. I believe this is wrong! I believe this 
should be a world-wide movement to improve education of children everywhere! I 
also believe many of you agree with me.

A couple of summers ago I proposed, via a motion, a project that I felt would 
help fulfill that original vision of bringing the magic of learning with Sugar 
to children all over the world. It addressed what have been some of the 
weaknesses in prior projects… principally not meeting the perceived needs of 
children, parents and teachers. Without doing that (which was done, 
masterfully, in Uruguay), Sugar just won’t get used. The prospective users have 
to want to use it. They have to see it as the powerful educational tool that it 
is.

My proposed project would start small, with a special version of Sugarizer 
designed just for children in the first 2 or 3 years of school. It would begin 
with a survey of students and teachers in Uruguay who had used Sugar Activities 
in the Project Ceibal program. After finding a small number of favorite 
Activities, say ten to twelve, the first version would be produced in both 
Spanish and English. It would be called Sugarizer1°, or Sugarizer Primero 
because it would be designed especially for children in the "primary grades".

When the first versions were ready, they would be tested by children, teachers, 
and parents using all sorts of devices. Surveys to find favorite Activities 
would be done. Ways to use them with classroom lessons would be found. Ways to 
enhance learning at home would be found. Fun things to do with Sugar as a 
family would be found. Documentation of all this would be made universally 
available online. Versions in other languages would be added at this point. 
French would be logical then possibly Hindi, Arabic, and Chinese. Other smaller 
language groups could also be served such as Haitian Creole, Aymara, and the 
like.

For the regular Release Candidate, an energetic “Marketing campaign” would be 
needed with Sugar Labs volunteers going to all sorts of educational and open 
source fairs and conferences, presenting at teacher education institutions, and 
the like. Getting some of the teachers, students, and parents from the beta 
testing stage to write articles, blogs, and the like about their experiences 
would help. Some travel expenses might be incurred and some stipends for 
writers might be appropriate.

As you can see in the paragraph above, many of these steps should cost money. 
For example, a coordinating teacher in Uruguay should be paid to conduct the 
studies there (logically this would be Rosamel Ramirez). Possibly educators who 
work for us as documentation writers should be paid. Etc. Etc. Etc.

This proposal needs lots of work. It did 2 summers ago and it still does. If 
others tell me they also feel that the Magic of Sugar should be for children 
everywhere, I’ll proceed to produce a good formal motion to the board. If there 
is no interest, I won’t waste any more time on it (planning and writing this 
would take many hours of thought, research, and discussion with other Sugar 
Labs members).

What do you all think???

Caryl

P.S. the logo for Sugarizer1° would still be the cute little XO man! He is 
recognized by people all over the world and thus has lots of value as a 
marketing tool. It would be foolish to replace him with anything else.
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Re: [IAEP] On being bullied and harassed

[Sebastian Silva]

On 22/09/17 17:42, James Cameron wrote:
> (...)
> So I'll try that.
Thanks for your sincere, candid message. I hope to express myself with
the same, although English is not my mother tongue.
> Laura and Sebastian, by your rate of posting and Wiki editing, by your
> use of many paths to achieve your goals; I'm feeling bullied,
> harassed, uncomfortable and threatened.
I respect your feelings. I must be missing something. The size of the
feelings you want us to be responsible for doesn't seem proportional to
our actions.

I've observed online discussions often become distorted or polarized. I
believe it is because our brains are not wired
 for it. Please take a
minute to consider things in their real proportion. I can see you are
under stress, as you've planned to release very soon. I can only imagine
this, we don't have all the information to understand your situation.

Maybe you don't understand our perspective either. That's should be
alright. It should be safe to have different ideas and nobody should
feel hurt. It is important that the Sugar Labs community is welcoming
and I have worked on improving
 our Code of Conduct
for there to be specific actions that a person can take if they feel
they've been mistreated, as well as guidelines with respect to
acceptable and unacceptable behaviour, and consequences for transgressors.

Please review the linked wiki page as we should work together to improve
both the process and the tone of our debates. This is important. We can
keep the dialogue flowing on the discussion page

to work it into a motion.

> (...)
> Thanks for listening.
>
>
> (In reply to an abuse report, GitHub support suggested it was a
> dispute between contractors, which is one way to look at it;
> competitive behaviour, acquisition of mind share.  My work for OLPC
> could be seen in that framing, but to me it is human rights and global
> mission focused.  I'll let the community discern my motivations based
> on my actions.  Cooperation should have a higher reward than
> competition.)
>
Do not consider us competition, and please know that we appreciate the
work that you do. Please know we too have good intentions.

Complaining to Github doesn't seem appropriate or fair, I've given my
reasons and you've not commented.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] ACTION Required: Approval Internal Procedure definition: "Request for Travel Policy exemptions"

[Laura Vargas]

2017-09-22 15:30 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :

>
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Given the problems we have had in maintaining the membership list -- long
>>> standing contributors such as Martin removed -- I don't think it is a
>>> reliable metric for contributor.
>>>
>>
>>
>> MEC is working very hard to maintain the membership list in good shape
>> and avoid "problems". It is part of the Committee's regular tasks to
>> "reviews the membership list for currency once per year".
>>
>> Sugar Labs membership is an spacial status and has privileges like the
>> voting participation.
>>
>> It has been expressed by many members it should be our goal to increase
>> this metric
>>
>
> I would like evidence of this assertion.
>


https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/2016_Goals

   - "9.1. to develop a supporting members list, by making a 'super list'
   with as many possible members as possible, such as from
   Special:LastUserLogin
    (admins only) and
   mailman and Sugar_Labs/Members/List
   ;"


Anyhow am giving up my mission to help Sugar Labs define this procedure
> "Cash Advance - Travel Policy Exemption Request". We don't have any
> successful case to study.
>
>>
>> Not until the reason for Ignacio's cash advance to be denied by
>> Conservancy is shared openly we will have enough information to document
>> this procedure.
>>
>
> I guess you have not read the repeated emails on this topic that I have
> sent. We have lots of work we can do as members of the oversight board to
> define our internal policies before worrying about the SFC side of the
> equation.
>

I have read and I agree in many terms.

My concern is that if Ignacio US$350 cash advance request did not get a
positive answer from Conservancy, what needs ot be improved from our side?

Regards

Laura


> -walter
>
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> Laura
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Laura V.
>>> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>>
>>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>>> ~ L. Victoria
>>>
>>> Happy Learning!
>>> #LearningByDoing
>>> #Projects4good
>>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Walter Bender
>>> Sugar Labs
>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Laura V.
>> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>
>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>> ~ L. Victoria
>>
>> Happy Learning!
>> #LearningByDoing
>> #Projects4good
>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
>



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[IAEP] On being bullied and harassed

[James Cameron]

Yesterday after our design meeting, and nearly in tears, I spoke at
length, in person, with my supervisor in another organisation.  He has
great understanding of psychology and human behaviour, as part of his
job.

He helped me see how people are being bullied and harassed, and feel
uncomfortable and threatened.

He gave an example of how he had been bullied in the past few days, by
someone who was sending many messages to everyone in a community he
was part of.  He said that for him, once he revealed his feelings,
calm resumed.

So I'll try that.

Laura and Sebastian, by your rate of posting and Wiki editing, by your
use of many paths to achieve your goals; I'm feeling bullied,
harassed, uncomfortable and threatened.

In private messages with me, five (5) others also feel this.

You risk harming us as a community, because; even if you did not
intend this; we feel hurt.

Thanks for listening.


(In reply to an abuse report, GitHub support suggested it was a
dispute between contractors, which is one way to look at it;
competitive behaviour, acquisition of mind share.  My work for OLPC
could be seen in that framing, but to me it is human rights and global
mission focused.  I'll let the community discern my motivations based
on my actions.  Cooperation should have a higher reward than
competition.)

-- 
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Re: Sugar Design Meeting/Reunión 21 September at 11 PM UTC IRC Sugar Meeting [DESIGN]

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Laura

Obviously, if these suggestions are shared, members of the community can 
respond and possibly make suggestions leading to
improvements. Equally obviously, if we don't know what they are - 
nothing can happen.


Tony


On 09/22/2017 01:59 PM, Laura Vargas wrote:



2017-09-22 12:22 GMT-05:00 Tony Anderson >:


Laura

"Shouldn't the Design team have a clear way to process all this
teacher's and children's (users) suggestions/ideas?"

I would love to see all these teacher's and children's suggestions
and ideas. Could you please share them with us?



Tony,

I still don't have the procedure clear.

What happens once the teacher's and children's ideas are shared?


Looks like there is no procedure defined currently.



Regards
Laura


Tony


On 09/22/2017 12:25 PM, Laura Vargas wrote:

Tony

The fact that you don't understand the idea/proposal is not relevant.

Please consider an answer about procedure is expected.


What happens once we (Sugar Labs Design Team) do get the user
requirement?

Shouldn't the Design team have a clear way to process all this
teacher's and children's (users) suggestions/ideas?

Regards

2017-09-22 9:48 GMT-05:00 Tony Anderson >:

** To be able to download new Activities directly from the
User Interface.*


I have no idea what you mean by this.  Downloading files from
the internet or from a school server is done by a browser
(e.g. webkit). In Sugar,
this capability is provided by the Browse activity. I think
most people would consider launching a browser as a normal
part of the user interface of their system.

Perhaps it would be helpful if you could describe
specifically what you mean by the Sugar user interface and
why Browse is not part of it.


Tony





On 09/22/2017 10:22 AM, Laura Vargas wrote:



2017-09-22 8:37 GMT-05:00 Tony Anderson >:



On 09/22/2017 07:19 AM, Laura Vargas wrote:

Let's say for example a teacher on field suggests we
should make downloading new activities easy and
doable from the Sugar User Interface. What should
the teacher do with his/her idea? 



First, we need a way for the teacher to make that
request. Perhaps we need something on the SugarLabs web
site that steers a user to a support forum.


Yes Sugar Labs Website is an example of the many ways today
we can get the requirements from teachers.

That said the solution you suggest (using another activity)
doesn't respond to the requirement. The requirement in the
example was:
*
*
** To be able to download new Activities directly from the
User Interface.*


This feature requirement needs a *design process to
integrate the functionality within the experience and the
interface*.

Still, the teacher may not have the skills to do all this.


What happens once we (Sugar Labs Design Team) do get the
user requirement?

Shouldn't the Design team have a clear way to process all
this teacher's and children's (users) suggestions/ideas?


Moving to IAEP as the topic is relevant to teachers not only
developers

Regards

-- 
Laura V.

*I SomosAZUCAR.Org*

“Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
~ L. Victoria

Happy Learning!
#LearningByDoing
#Projects4good
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~ L. Victoria

Happy Learning!
#LearningByDoing
#Projects4good
#IDesignATSugarLabs
#WeCanDoBetter






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~ L. Victoria

Happy Learning!
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#Projects4good
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] ACTION Required: Approval Internal Procedure definition: "Request for Travel Policy exemptions"

[Walter Bender]

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

>
>
> Given the problems we have had in maintaining the membership list -- long
>> standing contributors such as Martin removed -- I don't think it is a
>> reliable metric for contributor.
>>
>
>
> MEC is working very hard to maintain the membership list in good shape and
> avoid "problems". It is part of the Committee's regular tasks to "reviews
> the membership list for currency once per year".
>
> Sugar Labs membership is an spacial status and has privileges like the
> voting participation.
>
> It has been expressed by many members it should be our goal to increase
> this metric
>

I would like evidence of this assertion. From the initial "purge" of the
membership list, there has never been any evidence presented that there was
anyone on the list who was not supposed to be on the list. The review
process itself has been the source of the problems documented. Why are we
making it harder for people to participate?

>
>
> Anyhow am giving up my mission to help Sugar Labs define this procedure
> "Cash Advance - Travel Policy Exemption Request". We don't have any
> successful case to study.
>
> Not until the reason for Ignacio's cash advance to be denied by
> Conservancy is shared openly we will have enough information to document
> this procedure.
>

I guess you have not read the repeated emails on this topic that I have
sent. We have lots of work we can do as members of the oversight board to
define our internal policies before worrying about the SFC side of the
equation.

-walter

>
> regards.
>
> Laura
>
> -walter
>
>>
>> --
>> Laura V.
>> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>
>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>> ~ L. Victoria
>>
>> Happy Learning!
>> #LearningByDoing
>> #Projects4good
>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> 
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Laura V.
> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ L. Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> #LearningByDoing
> #Projects4good
> #IDesignATSugarLabs
> #WeCanDoBetter
>



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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] ACTION Required: Approval Internal Procedure definition: "Request for Travel Policy exemptions"

[Laura Vargas]

Given the problems we have had in maintaining the membership list -- long
> standing contributors such as Martin removed -- I don't think it is a
> reliable metric for contributor.
>


MEC is working very hard to maintain the membership list in good shape and
avoid "problems". It is part of the Committee's regular tasks to "reviews
the membership list for currency once per year".

Sugar Labs membership is an spacial status and has privileges like the
voting participation.

It has been expressed by many members it should be our goal to increase
this metric


Anyhow am giving up my mission to help Sugar Labs define this procedure
"Cash Advance - Travel Policy Exemption Request". We don't have any
successful case to study.

Not until the reason for Ignacio's cash advance to be denied by Conservancy
is shared openly we will have enough information to document this procedure.

regards.

Laura

-walter

>
> --
> Laura V.
> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ L. Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> #LearningByDoing
> #Projects4good
> #IDesignATSugarLabs
> #WeCanDoBetter
>

>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
>



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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Re: Sugar Design Meeting/Reunión 21 September at 11 PM UTC IRC Sugar Meeting [DESIGN]

[Laura Vargas]

2017-09-22 12:22 GMT-05:00 Tony Anderson :

> Laura
>
> "Shouldn't the Design team have a clear way to process all this teacher's
> and children's (users) suggestions/ideas?"
>
> I would love to see all these teacher's and children's suggestions and
> ideas. Could you please share them with us?
>


Tony,

I still don't have the procedure clear.

What happens once the teacher's and children's ideas are shared?


Looks like there is no procedure defined currently.



Regards
Laura


>
> Tony
>
>
> On 09/22/2017 12:25 PM, Laura Vargas wrote:
>
> Tony
>
> The fact that you don't understand the idea/proposal is not relevant.
>
> Please consider an answer about procedure is expected.
>
>
> What happens once we (Sugar Labs Design Team) do get the user requirement?
>
> Shouldn't the Design team have a clear way to process all this teacher's
> and children's (users) suggestions/ideas?
>
> Regards
>
> 2017-09-22 9:48 GMT-05:00 Tony Anderson :
>
>> ** To be able to download new Activities directly from the User
>> Interface.*
>>
>>
>> I have no idea what you mean by this.  Downloading files from the
>> internet or from a school server is done by a browser (e.g. webkit). In
>> Sugar,
>> this capability is provided by the Browse activity. I think most people
>> would consider launching a browser as a normal part of the user interface
>> of their system.
>>
>> Perhaps it would be helpful if you could describe specifically what you
>> mean by the Sugar user interface and why Browse is not part of it.
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/22/2017 10:22 AM, Laura Vargas wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-22 8:37 GMT-05:00 Tony Anderson :
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/22/2017 07:19 AM, Laura Vargas wrote:
>>>
 Let's say for example a teacher on field suggests we should make
 downloading new activities easy and doable from the Sugar User Interface.
 What should the teacher do with his/her idea?
>>>
>>>
>>> First, we need a way for the teacher to make that request. Perhaps we
>>> need something on the SugarLabs web site that steers a user to a support
>>> forum.
>>>
>>
>> Yes Sugar Labs Website is an example of the many ways today we can get
>> the requirements from teachers.
>>
>> That said the solution you suggest (using another activity) doesn't
>> respond to the requirement. The requirement in the example was:
>>
>> ** To be able to download new Activities directly from the User
>> Interface.*
>>
>>
>> This feature requirement needs a *design process to integrate the
>> functionality within the experience and the interface*.
>>
>> Still, the teacher may not have the skills to do all this.
>>
>>
>> What happens once we (Sugar Labs Design Team) do get the user requirement?
>>
>> Shouldn't the Design team have a clear way to process all this teacher's
>> and children's (users) suggestions/ideas?
>>
>>
>> Moving to IAEP as the topic is relevant to teachers not only developers
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> --
>> Laura V.
>> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>
>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>> ~ L. Victoria
>>
>> Happy Learning!
>> #LearningByDoing
>> #Projects4good
>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Laura V.
> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ L. Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> #LearningByDoing
> #Projects4good
> #IDesignATSugarLabs
> #WeCanDoBetter
>
>
>


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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Re: Sugar Design Meeting/Reunión 21 September at 11 PM UTC IRC Sugar Meeting [DESIGN]

[Tony Anderson]

Laura

"Shouldn't the Design team have a clear way to process all this 
teacher's and children's (users) suggestions/ideas?"


I would love to see all these teacher's and children's suggestions and 
ideas. Could you please share them with us?


Tony

On 09/22/2017 12:25 PM, Laura Vargas wrote:

Tony

The fact that you don't understand the idea/proposal is not relevant.

Please consider an answer about procedure is expected.


What happens once we (Sugar Labs Design Team) do get the user requirement?

Shouldn't the Design team have a clear way to process all this 
teacher's and children's (users) suggestions/ideas?


Regards

2017-09-22 9:48 GMT-05:00 Tony Anderson >:


** To be able to download new Activities directly from the User
Interface.*


I have no idea what you mean by this. Downloading files from the
internet or from a school server is done by a browser (e.g.
webkit). In Sugar,
this capability is provided by the Browse activity. I think most
people would consider launching a browser as a normal part of the
user interface of their system.

Perhaps it would be helpful if you could describe specifically
what you mean by the Sugar user interface and why Browse is not
part of it.


Tony





On 09/22/2017 10:22 AM, Laura Vargas wrote:



2017-09-22 8:37 GMT-05:00 Tony Anderson >:



On 09/22/2017 07:19 AM, Laura Vargas wrote:

Let's say for example a teacher on field suggests we
should make downloading new activities easy and doable
from the Sugar User Interface. What should the teacher do
with his/her idea? 



First, we need a way for the teacher to make that request.
Perhaps we need something on the SugarLabs web site that
steers a user to a support forum.


Yes Sugar Labs Website is an example of the many ways today we
can get the requirements from teachers.

That said the solution you suggest (using another activity)
doesn't respond to the requirement. The requirement in the
example was:
*
*
** To be able to download new Activities directly from the User
Interface.*


This feature requirement needs a *design process to integrate the
functionality within the experience and the interface*.

Still, the teacher may not have the skills to do all this.


What happens once we (Sugar Labs Design Team) do get the user
requirement?

Shouldn't the Design team have a clear way to process all this
teacher's and children's (users) suggestions/ideas?


Moving to IAEP as the topic is relevant to teachers not only
developers

Regards

-- 
Laura V.

*I SomosAZUCAR.Org*

“Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
~ L. Victoria

Happy Learning!
#LearningByDoing
#Projects4good
#IDesignATSugarLabs
#WeCanDoBetter






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~ L. Victoria

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Re: [IAEP] Sugarlabs Membership apply - German Ruiz

[Laura Vargas]

Please consider now it takes 4 votes to add a new member.

I gave my +1 on Sep 18, 2017.


Gracias por tu paciencia y bienvenido a Sugar Labs German!

2017-09-22 10:46 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :

> Sorry, for the late response German. We have seen your message and will
> add you to the member's list.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Samson
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 4:16 PM, German  wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> I've sent this email 7 days ago, still no response from anybody.
>>
>> Someone on the MEC will reply to your query within 2 business days. If
>> you don't get a reply after a week, please contact committee members
>> individually.
>>
>> I'm copying IAEP list for some MEC.
>>
>> Thanks
>> --
>> German R S
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-15 15:15 GMT-04:00 German :
>> > Hello:
>> >
>> > I don't know if is possible to apply for a membership of Sugarlabs by
>> > this day, if so, I would like to.
>> >
>> > Your name: German Ruiz
>> > Wiki username: https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Rxgerman
>> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Germanrs
>> >
>> > GitHub username: https://github.com/germanrs
>> >
>> > I promote and distribute Sugar, through XO's, I worked with Fundacion
>> > Zamora Teran (Nicaragua) for many years (2009-2015) (40k XO's and
>> > around 150 schools by the end of 2015), and now I live in the
>> > Dominican Republic, here I support a small deployment (6 schools-750
>> > XO's).
>> >
>> > I've been part of many local projects (Fedora, Python workshops with
>> > universities).
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > --
>> > German R S
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Re: Sugar Design Meeting/Reunión 21 September at 11 PM UTC IRC Sugar Meeting [DESIGN]

[Laura Vargas]

Tony

The fact that you don't understand the idea/proposal is not relevant.

Please consider an answer about procedure is expected.


What happens once we (Sugar Labs Design Team) do get the user requirement?

Shouldn't the Design team have a clear way to process all this teacher's
and children's (users) suggestions/ideas?

Regards

2017-09-22 9:48 GMT-05:00 Tony Anderson :

> ** To be able to download new Activities directly from the User Interface.*
>
>
> I have no idea what you mean by this.  Downloading files from the internet
> or from a school server is done by a browser (e.g. webkit). In Sugar,
> this capability is provided by the Browse activity. I think most people
> would consider launching a browser as a normal part of the user interface
> of their system.
>
> Perhaps it would be helpful if you could describe specifically what you
> mean by the Sugar user interface and why Browse is not part of it.
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>
> On 09/22/2017 10:22 AM, Laura Vargas wrote:
>
>
>
> 2017-09-22 8:37 GMT-05:00 Tony Anderson :
>
>>
>>
>> On 09/22/2017 07:19 AM, Laura Vargas wrote:
>>
>>> Let's say for example a teacher on field suggests we should make
>>> downloading new activities easy and doable from the Sugar User Interface.
>>> What should the teacher do with his/her idea?
>>
>>
>> First, we need a way for the teacher to make that request. Perhaps we
>> need something on the SugarLabs web site that steers a user to a support
>> forum.
>>
>
> Yes Sugar Labs Website is an example of the many ways today we can get the
> requirements from teachers.
>
> That said the solution you suggest (using another activity) doesn't
> respond to the requirement. The requirement in the example was:
>
> ** To be able to download new Activities directly from the User Interface.*
>
>
> This feature requirement needs a *design process to integrate the
> functionality within the experience and the interface*.
>
> Still, the teacher may not have the skills to do all this.
>
>
> What happens once we (Sugar Labs Design Team) do get the user requirement?
>
> Shouldn't the Design team have a clear way to process all this teacher's
> and children's (users) suggestions/ideas?
>
>
> Moving to IAEP as the topic is relevant to teachers not only developers
>
> Regards
>
> --
> Laura V.
> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ L. Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> #LearningByDoing
> #Projects4good
> #IDesignATSugarLabs
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>
>
>


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Re: [IAEP] Sugarlabs Membership apply - German Ruiz

[Samson Goddy]

Sorry, for the late response German. We have seen your message and will add
you to the member's list.


Regards

Samson

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 4:16 PM, German  wrote:

> Hello
>
> I've sent this email 7 days ago, still no response from anybody.
>
> Someone on the MEC will reply to your query within 2 business days. If
> you don't get a reply after a week, please contact committee members
> individually.
>
> I'm copying IAEP list for some MEC.
>
> Thanks
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>
>
> 2017-09-15 15:15 GMT-04:00 German :
> > Hello:
> >
> > I don't know if is possible to apply for a membership of Sugarlabs by
> > this day, if so, I would like to.
> >
> > Your name: German Ruiz
> > Wiki username: https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Rxgerman
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Germanrs
> >
> > GitHub username: https://github.com/germanrs
> >
> > I promote and distribute Sugar, through XO's, I worked with Fundacion
> > Zamora Teran (Nicaragua) for many years (2009-2015) (40k XO's and
> > around 150 schools by the end of 2015), and now I live in the
> > Dominican Republic, here I support a small deployment (6 schools-750
> > XO's).
> >
> > I've been part of many local projects (Fedora, Python workshops with
> > universities).
> >
> > Regards
> > --
> > German R S
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Re: [IAEP] Sugarlabs Membership apply - German Ruiz

[German]

Hello

I've sent this email 7 days ago, still no response from anybody.

Someone on the MEC will reply to your query within 2 business days. If
you don't get a reply after a week, please contact committee members
individually.

I'm copying IAEP list for some MEC.

Thanks
--
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2017-09-15 15:15 GMT-04:00 German :
> Hello:
>
> I don't know if is possible to apply for a membership of Sugarlabs by
> this day, if so, I would like to.
>
> Your name: German Ruiz
> Wiki username: https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Rxgerman
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Germanrs
>
> GitHub username: https://github.com/germanrs
>
> I promote and distribute Sugar, through XO's, I worked with Fundacion
> Zamora Teran (Nicaragua) for many years (2009-2015) (40k XO's and
> around 150 schools by the end of 2015), and now I live in the
> Dominican Republic, here I support a small deployment (6 schools-750
> XO's).
>
> I've been part of many local projects (Fedora, Python workshops with
> universities).
>
> Regards
> --
> German R S
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Re: Sugar Design Meeting/Reunión 21 September at 11 PM UTC IRC Sugar Meeting [DESIGN]

[Tony Anderson]

** To be able to download new Activities directly from the User Interface.*


I have no idea what you mean by this.  Downloading files from the 
internet or from a school server is done by a browser (e.g. webkit). In 
Sugar,
this capability is provided by the Browse activity. I think most people 
would consider launching a browser as a normal part of the user 
interface of their system.


Perhaps it would be helpful if you could describe specifically what you 
mean by the Sugar user interface and why Browse is not part of it.



Tony




On 09/22/2017 10:22 AM, Laura Vargas wrote:



2017-09-22 8:37 GMT-05:00 Tony Anderson >:




On 09/22/2017 07:19 AM, Laura Vargas wrote:

Let's say for example a teacher on field suggests we should
make downloading new activities easy and doable from the Sugar
User Interface. What should the teacher do with his/her idea? 



First, we need a way for the teacher to make that request. Perhaps
we need something on the SugarLabs web site that steers a user to
a support forum.


Yes Sugar Labs Website is an example of the many ways today we can get 
the requirements from teachers.


That said the solution you suggest (using another activity) doesn't 
respond to the requirement. The requirement in the example was:

*
*
** To be able to download new Activities directly from the User 
Interface.*



This feature requirement needs a *design process to integrate the 
functionality within the experience and the interface*.


Still, the teacher may not have the skills to do all this.


What happens once we (Sugar Labs Design Team) do get the user requirement?

Shouldn't the Design team have a clear way to process all this 
teacher's and children's (users) suggestions/ideas?



Moving to IAEP as the topic is relevant to teachers not only developers

Regards

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Re: Sugar Design Meeting/Reunión 21 September at 11 PM UTC IRC Sugar Meeting [DESIGN]

[Laura Vargas]

2017-09-22 8:37 GMT-05:00 Tony Anderson :

>
>
> On 09/22/2017 07:19 AM, Laura Vargas wrote:
>
>> Let's say for example a teacher on field suggests we should make
>> downloading new activities easy and doable from the Sugar User Interface.
>> What should the teacher do with his/her idea?
>
>
> First, we need a way for the teacher to make that request. Perhaps we need
> something on the SugarLabs web site that steers a user to a support forum.
>

Yes Sugar Labs Website is an example of the many ways today we can get the
requirements from teachers.

That said the solution you suggest (using another activity) doesn't respond
to the requirement. The requirement in the example was:

** To be able to download new Activities directly from the User Interface.*


This feature requirement needs a *design process to integrate the
functionality within the experience and the interface*.

Still, the teacher may not have the skills to do all this.


What happens once we (Sugar Labs Design Team) do get the user requirement?

Shouldn't the Design team have a clear way to process all this teacher's
and children's (users) suggestions/ideas?


Moving to IAEP as the topic is relevant to teachers not only developers

Regards

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] Motion regarding xo-computer icon

[Gonzalo Odiard]

According to the result of this motion, sugar-artwork repository should be
updated.

Gonzalo

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 7:19 PM, Samuel Greenfeld 
> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Sameer; if we want to debate this, this really needs a
>> lawyer's opinion.  Either that or just asking OLPC Inc. what they consider
>> acceptable.
>>
>
> In fact, getting a lawyer's opinion is exactly what we are doing.
>
>>
>> Sugar has been using the XO logo for approximately 11 years now.  My
>> non-lawyer opinion is that if someone was to complain, they would be barred
>> by estoppel for having known about it, but failing to make a claim in a
>> timely manner.
>>
>> By this measure, are we implying that Fedora & CentOS cannot be
>> distributed because they contain trademarks owned by Red Hat, and Ubuntu
>> cannot be distributed because it contains the name and logos owned by
>> Canonical?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Sebastian Silva <
>> sebast...@fuentelibre.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 15/09/17 09:12, Walter Bender wrote:
>>>
>>> (A2) Sugar Artwork, including the xo-computer icon, is currently
>>> licensed under the GPL and we would like our downstream users to be able to
>>> use all of our artwork under the terms of that license. As far as the use
>>> of any trademark image outside of the context of Sugar, we have no opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a (hopefully not intentional?) flaw in this answer. The board
>>> was in a rush to pass the motion, but it should be more careful when
>>> communicating with our legal counsel.
>>>
>>> SLOBs, please clarify:
>>>
>>> "(...) we would like our downstream users to be able to use all of our
>>> artwork under the terms of that license (GPL)"
>>>
>>> Sugar Labs does not distribute Sugar to end users. Instead it
>>> distributes Sugar to distributors (Debian, Fedora) who have their own
>>> downstream projects (OLPC, Trisquel, Ubuntu). In turn these distributions
>>> are often bundled with hardware vendors products or local service
>>> provider's services: *These last groups are the most threatened by a
>>> potential Trademark dispute.*
>>>
>>> Does restricting the answer to "users" mean Sugar Labs Oversight Board
>>> does not care about these actor's freedoms?
>>>
>>> Please also clarify:
>>>
>>> "As far as the use of any trademark image outside of the context of
>>> Sugar, we have no opinion. "
>>>
>>> This is contradictory with the previous statement. The terms of the GPL
>>> provide for licensees to be able to use the source for *any purpose.* A
>>> Trademarked logo cannot be used for any purpose. This is basically the
>>> legal reason to keep any Trademark out of the Sugar User Interface.
>>>
>>> Regards and happy Software Freedom Day to all,
>>>
>>> Sebastian
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