Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election
Hola! De acuerdo con Dave cuando manifiesta que: I suggest adding this to the next SLOB meeting agenda as a discussion point (and possible immediate motion :) This is a side issue though; the primary concerns of Caryl and myself that we would appreciate SLOB guidance on are - what criteria should be used to define who is and is not eligible to be counted as a Sugar Labs member? Entiendo que este es un tema a necesita debate conjunto. De acuerdo con Walter: We'll have to trust that they are Sugar users. Why would they want to join if they had no interest in the project? Saludos! ___ Lic. José Miguel García Montevideo - Uruguay 2016-08-18 3:57 GMT-03:00 Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>: > On 18 Aug 2016 3:02 a.m., "Dave Crossland" <d...@lab6.com> wrote: > > > > > > On 17 August 2016 at 21:32, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm fine with that, but is seems to be a change in policy. > >> > >> > >> > >> We'll have to trust that they are Sugar users. Why would they want to > join if they had no interest in the project? (I suppose we could get > invaded by trolls, in which case we can "build a wall." But I see no > evidence that that is a problem.) > > > > > > Nor me - a luxury problem ;) > > > >>>>> > >>>>> - what criteria should be used to define what is and is not a Sugar > Labs owned project? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From 1 feet, I'd say if it is FOSS and focused on learning, it > can qualify. But there also has to be an intention to have the project > somehow connected to the Sugar community. > >>> > >>> > >>> Concretely, would each of these projects qualify? > >>> > >>> - Childsplay > >>> - Scratch > >>> - Squeak > >>> - Tux Math > >>> - Tux Paint > >>> - XSCE > >> > >> > >> Sure. And don't forget gcompris. > > > > > > Okay cool :) I think a single mail to each project's user list will be > sufficient, then. > > > >> > >> What do you think about hardware projects? Does Butia qualify? Rodi? > What about RPi? > > > > > > I think a single mail to each project's user list would also be fine. > > > >> Does the XO Infinity have a FOSS option or is it just Windows? > > > > > > They will create a Sugar SKU if we can order 500 units or more, and they > will donate to Sugar Labs the same amount or more that they pay to MS for > Windows > > > Seems fair. I have been trying to run Ubuntu for weeks now. The One > Education tech guy Matthew told me to wait. > > (One Education doesn't use the XO trademark owned by OLPC Inc) > > > > -- > > Cheers > > Dave > > > > ___ > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Critique of Google Apps For Education
Hola! En Uruguay se realizó el convenio con Google Apps para educación, el año pasado, y consiguió muchas críticas. Entre otras, ingresar a menores de edad en las bases de datos de Google, cuando existe una ley que obliga a que los datos públicos deben estar alojados en servidores dentro del país. Se realizaron instancias de negociación, buscando la posibilidad de desarrollos locales sustitutivos, que no dieron resultado. Hay una nota firmada por universitarios al respecto en http://cesol.org.uy/contenido/declaracion-publica-partir-acuerdo-entre-plan-ceibal-anep-empresa-google Y aclaraciones al respecto sobre la propiedad de los datos en: http://www.ceibal.edu.uy/art%C3%ADculo/preguntas-frecuentes/google-ceibal/que-sucede-con-los-datos-que-subo-en-mi-cuenta-de-google-ceibal- Saludos. ___ Lic. José Miguel García Montevideo - Uruguay 2016-08-04 1:57 GMT-03:00 Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>: > OK, I read most of the article and I still don't get the point. How is > Google exploiting the students' data? I haven't seen ads on the various > GAFEs I have used. Are they tailoring ads to the individual student as > facebook seems to do (badly in my case)? If targeted ads are there, it > presents what we call a "teachable moment" leading to a lesson on targeted > advertizing and how not to be exploited by it. > > Please explain… > > Caryl > > -- > From: d...@lab6.com > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 13:46:52 -0400 > To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org > Subject: [IAEP] Critique of Google Apps For Education > > > Hi > > Nice critique of Google Apps For Education: > > http://sci-hub.cc/10.1177/1474904116654917# > > -- > Cheers > Dave > > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education > Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Priority languages to translate Sugar
Hola! Estoy de acuerdo con Caryl de fortalecer Sugarizer. Es importante avanzar en función de las disponibilidades de los despliegues, para poder fortalecer a Sugar A modo de ejemplo, en Uruguay se están distribuyendo tablets para los niños más chicos. La única forma de comenzar desde temprana edad con Sugar es a través de Sugarizer. Saludos! ___ Lic. José Miguel García Montevideo - Uruguay 2016-07-14 23:50 GMT-03:00 Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>: > Hi Folks… > > Although it may seem a nice idea to propose translations into many > languages, at this time I feel translations should be restricted to those > language groups that have the XO hardware to use Sugar, like those in Peru > and Haiti. Trying to add some of the Native American languages, where the > hardware is not available is a futile exercise. > > At the same time, we need an increased effort to work on the porting of > the top Sugar Activities to Sugarizer. That is where we can reach children > and young people everywhere because *the needed hardware is already in > their hands.* > > A recent conversation I had with Samson Goddy in Nigeria went something > like this: > > C: What computers will you be using with the students? > S: Infinity > C: How many will you have? > S: Two > C: But do most of them have smartphones? > S: Yeah. > > He agrees with me that we should be supporting Sugarizer so we can take > advantage of the hardware the students already have. > > So, along with these comments, I submit: Simultaneous translation of > Sugar Activities to their Sugarizer counter-parts is something that should > be taken seriously. > > How many of you folks can do JavaScript, HTML5, and CSS? Those are the > skills needed to do this. You can get these skills online if you want to > help. Please contact me and Lionel Laske if you are willing to help with > this. > > BTW… SOS (Sugar On A Stick) is not really a viable option. I have tried > it with teachers in a workshop and they found it too complicated to use and > were afraid of infecting their computers with a virus. It was a great idea, > 5 years ago. But, it is time to move on and Sugarizer is the direction of > the future. > > Caryl > > -- > From: s...@unleashkids.org > Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:02:19 -0400 > To: la...@somosazucar.org > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Priority languages to translate Sugar > CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org > > > I added Haitian Creole, even though it's already been partly translated, > because the quality of the translations is weak and not finished. I know > there was some talk in the past about hiring a firm - Educa Vision - to do > the translations and contribute a Haitian Creole dictionary app, but I > don't know the status of any of that because I was not really involved in > it. > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 2:00 AM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> > wrote: > > Here is the first draft of the list for the Sugar translation pending > projects. Hopefully, to be cosidered by the Sugar Projects Translation Fund: > > https://titanpad.com/SLLL > > I have tried to summarize to the best of my knowledge current initiatives > from local Communities in America. If you have an idea or project to add > please share the context/continent and relationship of the language with > the SugarXO Community, and thanks in advance. > > > 2016-07-09 11:25 GMT-05:00 Sebastian Silva <sebast...@fuentelibre.org>: > > El 09/07/16 a las 01:48, Laura Vargas escribió: > > Recalling Claudia's proposal to make a priority languages list for Sugar > translations, here in Perú I did an informal survery with the team of the > Dirección > de Lenguas Indígenas del Ministerio de Cultura, and noticing we already > have Quechua, Aymara and Awajún, they suggested (in no specific order): > > - Ashaninka http://bdpi.cultura.gob.pe/pueblo/ashaninka > - Wampis http://bdpi.cultura.gob.pe/pueblo/wampis > - Shipibo http://bdpi.cultura.gob.pe/pueblo/shipibo-konibo > > > Let's add Cherokee, possibly Navajo and Lakota? > > To better word a phrase I wrote in another thread: > I do believe the mere possibility of attaining fluency in technology and > properly appropriable informatics holds the promise to empower native > cultures to better cope with modernity and even assume leadership in it. > > > Is someone managing such list already? > > -- > Laura V. > I SomosAZUCAR.Org > IRC kaametza > > Happy Learning! > > > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop > project!)IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.orghttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > > > -- >
Re: [IAEP] #Documentation SL Funding Committe
Buena idea Caryl! Quizá se pueda comenzar con algunas grabaciones cortas, que permitan que los maestros vean qué posibilidades hay con algunas de las aplicaciones disponibles, más desde lo pedagógico. Hay maestros con mucha experiencia en esto, y muy innovadores... Y una Sugar Fest es excelente! Saludos ___ Lic. José Miguel García Montevideo - Uruguay 2016-07-09 12:10 GMT-03:00 Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>: > Sugarizer is the best way to get Sugar into classrooms in the USA. No cost > for the devices... The kids already have them. Start small with a mini > "Sugarizer For Schools." Have great documentation and easy to use, > fail-safe, lesson plans available free online. Present and demo at teachers > conferences. Lots of teachers conferences. Do the same at Linux Fests all > over the country. > > I could (and probably should) expand on this... Such as... Maybe start > with one subject area (eg Math). Use Master teachers like Rosamel in > Uruguay to help... > > Caryl > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote: > > > El 7 de julio de 2016, 7:52, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> escribió: > >> >> On 7 July 2016 at 08:49, José Miguel García <josemig...@argos.edu.uy> >> wrote: >> >>> Sin embargo, a través de la experiencia de Argentina en Conectar >>> Igualdad, donde se daba la posibilidad de que cada centro instalara su >>> sistema. >> >> >> Wow, that's amazing!! :D >> >> I guess in the USA it is common to create bad lawsuits if things go >> wrong, preventing schools from offering this possibility. >> > > Thank you all for reading. It is a shame we don't have hundreds of > teachers from the US in the member's list! > > Huayra (witch BTW means Wind in Quechua) from Conectar Igualdad Argentina > is probably the most inspiring distro we have in Latam. [1] > > I hope one day other countries like México, Perú and Colombia start using > it, forking it or somehow making their own "Huayra type" libre OS. > Unfortunatly, the program may losse gobernment support as Microsoft is > offering no cost licenses to President Macri [2]. > > Getting back to the subject of this thread, I think we should facilitate > the use of Sugar in the US asap. We may be able to get an easy entry point > by executing the translation of Sugar to Cherokee and/or Navajo. [3] > > Hope to get the SL goals defined soon :D > > [1] > http://wiki.huayra.conectarigualdad.gob.ar/index.php/%C2%A1Bienvenidos_a_Huayra_GNU/Linux > ! > [2] > http://www.ieco.clarin.com/economia/Microsoft-ofrecio-Macri-software-estudiantes_0_1508849461.html > [3] > http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140606-why-we-must-save-dying-languages > > -- > Laura V. > I SomosAZUCAR.Org <http://somosazucar.org> > IRC kaametza > > Happy Learning! > > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] #Documentation SL Funding Committe
Hola! De acuerdo con Dave que es difícil. Sin embargo, a través de la experiencia de Argentina en Conectar Igualdad, donde se daba la posibilidad de que cada centro instalara su sistema. Si bien en un principio la mayoría optaba por Windows se realizó un movimiento importante para la instalación de una versión propia de Linux, el Huayra, que fue ganando terreno. Esto ocurrió con esfuerzo del Estado, aunque sin convertirse en una obligación. Saludos ___ Lic. José Miguel García Montevideo - Uruguay 2016-07-07 9:35 GMT-03:00 Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com>: > > 2016-07-07 7:45 GMT-04:00 José Miguel García <josemig...@argos.edu.uy>: > >> Sostenemos, sin embargo, que si los dispositivos hubieran contado con >> Windows, el SO más conocido, su uso habría sido para seguir haciendo más de >> lo mismo. > > > I think that is great :) > > However, it seems possible only with either a top-down state mandate to > use Sugar as a desktop, or a bottoms-up local exceptional IT support person > who can support a GNU/Linux deployment. I think it is unlikely for > autonomous schools or districts who have Windows computers to reinstall > them with a Sugar distro. > > I also think that even in places with top-down state mandates for > state-owned computers, having Sugar run natively on Windows would help > drive adoption of constructionist education: Last week I spoke to the NDSU > "local lab" (https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/North_Dakota_State_University) > and they said that no one would install a distro on home computers (running > Windows) because either they couldn't figure out how to boot from a USB > key, despite the documentation provided, or, the family wouldn't permit the > documentation to be followed because of the risk of data loss and idling > the machine while waiting for tech support. > > > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] #Documentation SL Funding Committe
Hola! Gracias Caryl por el relato, que es muy interesante. Lo que hemos aprendido de la experiencia en Uruguay, donde el proyecto tiene ya 9 años y es un despliegue a nivel nacional, es que los procesos son lentos, a pesar de los espacios de formación para los maestros. A pesar de esto, los avances ocurren, sobre todo cuando los docentes dan sentido pedagógico al proceso, modificando prácticas de trasmisión de información por espacios más creativos. En este sentido, el construccionismo es una buena mirada, y Sugar una excelente herramienta para esto. En Uruguay fue adoptado por una decisión del Estado, y por esa razón tiene una gran difusión en todo el país. Sostenemos, sin embargo, que si los dispositivos hubieran contado con Windows, el SO más conocido, su uso habría sido para seguir haciendo más de lo mismo. Entonces, el gran potencial de Sugar depende fundamentalmente de que los maestros no solo lo conozcan, sino que descubran que es una buena herramienta para trabajar en el aula. En la inclusión de las tecnologías hay muchas historias de sistemas comerciales que ingresan a la escuela. Y es importante tener claro que los niños no son adultos pequeños. Esa es una de las fortalezas de Sugar que es necesario potenciar. Entiendo que el mejor uso de los recursos sería a través de los procesos de formación de los maestros, para que conozcan las potencialidades de Sugar y sus formas de trabajo. Saludos! ___ Lic. José Miguel García Montevideo - Uruguay 2016-07-06 22:22 GMT-03:00 Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com>: > Hi Caryl > > On 6 July 2016 at 20:12, Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Actually, >> > > (I am also grateful for Sameer and José Miguel's input, but unlike Adam > and Tony who I mentioned, they are not participating here very much which > is why I didn't mention them.) > > I understand that you think SL should be developing non-software resources > for schools. If SL had $10,000 to spend on such resources, what do you > think it should commission? :) > > -- > Cheers > Dave > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion to update current SL vision statement
Hola! Estoy de acuerdo con lo que plantean Tony, Claudia. Entiendo que el foco debe estar en las nuevas formas de aprender de los niños. Saludos ___ Lic. José Miguel García Montevideo - Uruguay 2016-06-20 4:23 GMT-03:00 Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net>: > Hi, Dave > > This email is a clear example of the confusion we are having. You describe > it as a mission statement (not a vision statement). > However, your title describes an 'update' to the current Sugar Labs vision > statement. Could you provide the text of what you believe is the current > Sugar Labs vision statement that is to be updated? > > This is the version I was responding to, which seems to be a re-write by > you of Laura's statement: > > "Sugar Labs is a global community where you can learn how to design, > develop and deploy high-quality Free/Libre Software that facilitates > self-discovery learning experiences and collaboration among young children > of all continents." > > I disagree completely with this statement as a vision for Sugar Labs. This > makes us sound like a community for training adult software developers. Our > vision needs to be of the educational advantages which we want our > product,Sugar to provide. This product is designed to facilitate learning > by young (grade school) learners based on ideas from Seymour Papert and > Alan Kay. > > I agree strongly that work with and on Sugar can lead to learning > technical computer skills. I try to emphasize that in presentations and > workshops that in the XO, the user has free access to all of the latest > software: using the command line, building scripts, programming in Python, > developing web sites with HTML, CSS, and Javascript, developing > administrative skills in networking and system maintenance. > However, this is not the *ra**ison d'etre* for Sugar. > > Tony > > On 06/20/2016 05:29 AM, Dave Crossland wrote: > > > On 19 June 2016 at 13:20, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net> wrote: > >> Unfortunately, this is not my vision of Sugar Labs or Sugar. I see Sugar >> as an educational opportunity provided to users of the OLPC XO >> and others. Naturally, it takes software engineers to develop and >> maintain this software, but the vision must be about the result - Sugar and >> the >> benefits if offers in an educational setting. >> > > Do you think the existing mission statement that Laura quoted above > conveys this result adequately? > > I am unsure if you think the mission should be changed, or kept the same. > > > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Motion (2 of 2) Sugar Labs donation
Motion to request a membership donation Motion: To request a membership donation from each currently active Sugar Labs Member to be allocated to the General Fund for the calendar year of 2016, and a public statement about how they use Sugar and why they are involved in Sugar Labs to post on the website; there is no penalty for not paying a membership or not providing a statement; by default members who donate will be kept private, and requested to opt-in to be recognised. The donation requested will be $12 USD from members who self-identify as low-income (such as students); $36 USD from general members; $120 from members who can opt-in to be placed prominently on the website; and $600 from members who can (privately if they wish) submit a release codename, subject to SLOB approval. Secundo la moción. ___ Lic. José Miguel García Montevideo - Uruguay 2016-06-04 14:24 GMT-03:00 Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com>: > Hi > > On 4 June 2016 at 07:48, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote: > >> As this is a very thoughtful proposal, I contacted SFConservancy's >> general counsel to verify it is legal given 501(c)3 non-profit laws can be >> strict, and he emphasized 2 things: >> >> (1) no tangible benefits may be offered in return for a donation >> (otherwise it is not a donation, by law!) >> >> (2) if such transactions were ever to become quasi-mandatory (similar to >> membership dues in many other organizations) he would strongly prefer we >> not use the word "Member" and rather use terminology like "Patron" >> (commonly-used word in charitable circles, and doesn't imply explicit >> benefits), "Lab Assistants," or "Sugar Labs Official Patrons" (SLOPs, not >> my choice!), or "Sweet Teeth," etc, with a fun logo (that fits in with the >> existing "Sugar Labs" brand). >> > > Thanks for checking in with Conservancy on this :) > > Fortunately no benefits in the motion are tangible, and no transactions > are mandatory. > > >> Finally while I'm not at all against this very thoughtful proposal going >> forward increasingly seriously, there is a *Ton* of overhead to managing >> $12 donations, > > > Adam, I don't understand your assertion at all! > > I imagine that when someone sends $12 via PayPal, then Paypal > automatically takes its fee and deposits the remainder in the Conservancy > account; then Conservancy is obliged to perform the light and simple task > of transferring 10% of that to their account and 90% to their SL ear-marked > account, which they do with ledger-cli, which they are familiar with. I > imagine that Conservancy staff are familiar with performing this task on a > weekly basis, if not more frequently. I do not think this will be a burden. > Have any Conservancy staff expressed that this will be a burden? If it was > a burden, they are earning their 10%, so I would see no reason to not to > place that burden on them, if there was one, which there isn't. > > Please list all the management tasks you think are associated with a $12 > donation to be performed by anyone. > > -- > Cheers > Dave > > ___ > SLOBs mailing list > sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Motion (1 of 2) GSoC Stipends
Motion regarding GSoC mentoring stipends Motion: Whereas it is the general policy of Sugar Labs to retain all GSoC mentoring stipends in the General Fund, if a mentor asks a GSoC Admin (for example in 2016, Walter or Lionel) to pay a stipend to a mentor, their share of the stipend amount will be disbursed without further motions to approve the spending. The share is calculated from the total awarded for the GSoC slot by Google, minus 10% (as all Sugar Labs income is donated to Software Freedom Conservancy for organisational services), minus 5% (retained for Sugar Labs General Funds), divided by the number of mentors for the project. For example, in a year with 6 slots and 10 mentors at $500, the total revenue is $3,000; 10% for Conservancy is $300 and 5% for Sugar Labs is $150, leaving a total of $2,550 or $255 per mentor. +1 para secundar la moción +1 para aprobarla ___ Lic. José Miguel García Montevideo - Uruguay 2016-06-06 11:47 GMT-03:00 Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>: > +1 from me as well > > (I had reclused myself from voting on the earlier version of this motion > due to a conflict of interest in that I am a potential recipient of the > funds, but since I have said that I will not accept the funds for my > personal use, I think it is OK to vote.) > > -walter > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Claudia Urrea <clau...@laptop.org> wrote: > >> + 1 >> >> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net> >> wrote: >> >>> I second the motion and approve it. >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> >>> On 06/04/2016 03:02 PM, Walter Bender wrote: >>> >>> We did not have time to take action on two motions at yesterday's >>> meeting. Please review the motion below. If an oversight board seconds the >>> motion, then we can bring it up for a vote by email. >>> >>> regards. >>> >>> -walter >>> >>> >>> Motion regarding GSoC mentoring stipends >>> >>> Motion: Whereas it is the general policy of Sugar Labs to retain all >>> GSoC mentoring stipends in the General Fund, if a mentor asks a GSoC Admin >>> (for example in 2016, Walter or Lionel) to pay a stipend to a mentor, their >>> share of the stipend amount will be disbursed without further motions to >>> approve the spending. The share is calculated from the total awarded for >>> the GSoC slot by Google, minus 10% (as all Sugar Labs income is donated to >>> Software Freedom Conservancy for organisational services), minus 5% >>> (retained for Sugar Labs General Funds), divided by the number of mentors >>> for the project. For example, in a year with 6 slots and 10 mentors at >>> $500, the total revenue is $3,000; 10% for Conservancy is $300 and 5% for >>> Sugar Labs is $150, leaving a total of $2,550 or $255 per mentor. >>> >>> >>> >>> Note that an earlier version of this motion failed: >>> >>> Failed Motion >>> >>> Motion: To allow the mentors participating in Google Summer of Code to >>> disperse the mentor stipend among themselves as they see fit. >>> >>> Further discussion of this motion can be found beginning at [1]. >>> >>> [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2016-May/018130.html >>> -- >>> Walter Bender >>> Sugar Labs >>> http://www.sugarlabs.org >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Sugar-devel mailing >>> listSugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.orghttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Claudia Urrea, PhD >> OLPCA >> >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> >> > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > <http://www.sugarlabs.org> > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive.
Hola! On Jun 4, 2016 2:29 PM, "Dave Crossland" <d...@lab6.com> wrote: > Motion: to undertake a fund raising drive. Arrangements will be made to > enable on-line contributions by PayPal, debit or credit card or > other means. Once the means to make contributions is in place, the > Financial Manager will initiate and lead the drive. The Sugar Labs web site > will show progress in donations toward the goal. > > On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote: > On 4 June 2016 at 15:25, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am all for raising funds but we need to articulate the reason why we >> need them. >> > To pay for labour to achieve goals, such as the existing translations and > finance manager roles and perhaps others in the future; to find out which > members are active in 2016; to pay for all travel expenses for all active > members to attend a sugar summit... there are countless things you can do > with general funds. De acuerdo con Dave y con Walter de hacer recaudación de fondos con un fin específico. Cumbre es una buena idea. On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 3:26 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Dave - Walter means how we articulate to potential donors, i.e. the >> compelling story I have mentioned. It's a marketing problem and rushing >> through a motion is not the solution - we need to be clear what our vision >> and major goals are, and relate them convincingly to donors. >> > > De acuerdo con Sean que es necesario tener clara la visión, objetivos, etc. antes de salir con una recaudación masiva de fondos. On 5 June 2016 at 16:30, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: > We need to do a phone call or face-to-face of some type. Llamadas face-to-face son imposibles para quienes usamos traductores para la comunicación. ___ Lic. José Miguel García Montevideo - Uruguay 2016-06-06 11:30 GMT-03:00 Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com>: > sorry, June 14th is a Tuesday... can't do it the 13th. Starting time > between 9:30PM and 11PM (UTC+2) OK for me that day > Sean > > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote: > >> >> On 6 June 2016 at 06:08, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I think you mean Monday June 14th, not tomorrow. >>> >> >> What time on June 14th will work for you? >> > > > ___ > SLOBs mailing list > sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Why do you contribute to Sugar?
Hola! Es necesario pensar Sugar como un espacio de aprendizaje más que como software. Sugar se desarrolla de acuerdo a las características propias de los niños, ya que estos no son adultos en miniatura. Esto se contrapone con la tendencia mundial de diseñar máquinas iguales a las del mundo adultos en tamaños reducidos, infantilizando los escritorios a los que ellos están acostumbrados y utilizando aplicaciones que son valiosos para el adulto, sin tener en cuenta los proceso de aprendizaje de los niños. Esto incentiva al docente a rediseñar sus prácticas. Sugar es el mejor ambiente para potenciar los cambios en las prácticas institucionales que los educadores buscamos, dando un espacio creativo, de autoaprendizaje y de producción para los niños . ___ Lic. José Miguel García Montevideo - Uruguay 2016-06-06 4:33 GMT-03:00 <tkk...@nurturingasia.com>: > Good to hear what others have to say .. here is my own reflection: > > I worked with Sugar till today as I have personally tested it with > children from the gifted to the developmentally delay; and made many > video-recordings of children using it over the years under many different > circumstances. It works - Sugar simplicity and flexibility makes it my best > choice as a clinical or educational tools, to help children be empowered in > their learning. > > T.K Kang > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Walter Bender [mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com] > >Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 07:28 AM > >To: 'Dave Crossland' > >Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org > >Subject: Re: [IAEP] Why do you contribute to Sugar? > > > >On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> In thread "A Better Idea..." on 5 June 2016 at 16:41, Sean DALY < > >> sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Perhaps trying to thrash out texts is not the best approach - maybe we > >>> should start with why we the volunteers are convinced about Sugar, and > >>> think about distilling our Vision from that. > >>> > >> > >> I like this suggestion! > >> > >> I request that everyone subscribed to this list reply to this thread > with > >> a short message about why they are convinced about Sugar. > >> > >> I'll go first :) > >> > >> I am convinced about Sugar because I believe learning through > >> self-discovery is a powerful way for young people to become good people, > >> good citizens, and to find some particular talents to develop to the > >> maximum; and I believe Sugar is software that encourages such learning. > >> > >> ___ > >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > >> > > > >See [1 and 2]. > > > >But to gist: > > > >At Sugar Labs we make a collection of Free/Libre Software tools that > >learners use to *explore*, *discover*, *create*, and *reflect*. We > >distribute these tools freely and encourage our users to appropriate them, > >taking ownership and responsibility for their learning. > > > >To me, one important goal at Sugar Labs is to have our user community > >engage in the development process. Towards this end, we have provided > >scaffolding to support our users in their exploration of the tools > >themselves and how the tools are built. This has not been just an > >intellectual exercise. We design for end-user contributions, and we have > >seen learners taking ownership and the responsibility that comes with > >ownership. Sugar users, even when they don’t made contributions to the > >code, are active learners, who are immersed in a culture where they are > >encouraged to create as well as consume. > > > > > >[1] > > > http://people.sugarlabs.org/walter/docs/Learning-to-Change-the-World-Chapter-4.pdf > >[2] > > > http://sites.ed.gov/oese/2016/04/open-discussion-on-the-role-of-education-technologies-in-early-childhood-stem-education/ > > > >-- > >Walter Bender > >Sugar Labs > >http://www.sugarlabs.org > ><http://www.sugarlabs.org> > > > > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] Yoruba i18n motion
+1 para Yoruba i18n motion Sugiero que para futuras propuestas se especifique el impacto que tendrá en la comunidad. Es decir, cuáles y cuántos serán los beneficiarios de la traducción, y si esto ampliará significativamente el alcance de Sugar. Saludos ___ Lic. José Miguel García Montevideo - Uruguay 2016-05-07 16:17 GMT-03:00 Lionel Laské <lionel.la...@gmail.com>: > > Disagree. > > I don't see any evidence how Yoruba localization could increase the size > of the Sugar community. I think we mix here two things: > - a localization project without any clear need on the field, > - a legitimate wish to thank an active and loyal contributor (Samson) > I can't be agree with the first one (including within the Trip Advisor > deal): it's time and money for nothing. > I'm agree with the second one but may be we could imagine other ways to do > that, i.e. ask Samson to work on more useful tasks. For example help on > initiative like the Tony one to invent an auto localization process. > > Best regards from France. > > Lionel. > > P.S.: Sorry for my absence at the SLOB meeting. It's my fault but I was > online at 19:00 UTC, so at the wrong time... > > > 2016-05-07 1:38 GMT+02:00 Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>: > >> At today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting [1], we discussed the >> motion submitted by Chris Leonard to fund a program for translation of >> Sugar into Yoruba, one of the three main languages spoken in Nigeria. I >> second the motion and bring it to you in an email vote. >> >> Members of the oversight board, please reply to this email solicitation >> for a vote on the following motion. >> >> Motion: To fund a program to initiate the translation of Sugar into >> Yoruba. The specific milestones and costs are detailed below. A description >> of the rationale for the project is found at [2]. The work would be led by >> Samson Goddy and reviewed by Chris Leonard, in his role as Translation >> Community Manager. >> >> This proposal is for the translation of Sugar user interface and >> certain Sugar Activities into the Yoruba language (ISO-639 code - yo). >> >> Milestone 1 - The initial payment of $350 USD will cover startup costs >> (internet connection fees, localizer recruitment/training, etc.). >> Payment is to be made upon successful completion of contractual >> arrangements with fiscal sponsor (SFC). >> >> Milestone 2 - Glucose - Payable upon completion and upload to Pootle >> of the PO files for sugar, sugar-toolkit-gtk3, OLPC_switch_desktop >> will be for $1,350 USD. Included in this milestone is a $300 USD >> project management fee, in addition to fees of approximately 40 >> cents/word for the projects included in this milestone. The uploaded >> files must pass all "critical" error checks (as flagged by the Pootle >> software) and be approved by the Sugar Labs Translation Community >> Manager, such approval not to be unreasonably withheld. >> >> Milestone 2 must be completed prior to Milestone 3. >> >> Milestone 3 - Fructose - Payable upon completion and upload of the PO >> files for Calculate, Chat, ImageViewer, Jukebox, Log, Paint, Pippy, >> Portfolio, Read, ReadETexts, Record, Speak, Terminal, TurtleArt, Web, >> Write will be for $2,300 USD. Included in this milestone is a $675 USD >> project management fee, in addition to fees of approximately 40 >> cents/word for the projects included in this milestone. The uploaded >> files must pass all "critical" error checks (as flagged by the Pootle >> software) and be approved by the Sugar Labs Translation Community >> Manager, such approval not to be unreasonably withheld. >> >> Total anticipated costs for all three milestone payments will be $4,000 >> USD. >> >> All projects are hosted on the Sugar Labs Pootle server at >> >> http://translate.sugarlabs.org/yo/ >> >> Translation may be performed off-line with subsequent upload to the >> Pootle server. >> >> regards, >> >> -walter >> >> [1] >> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2016-05-06 >> [2] >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gtqpEOmDxxUYGdpbbBMlrPLQ-T6_OVnqdyAPJpaeORw/edit?usp=sharing >> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2016-05-06> >> -- >> Walter Bender >> Sugar Labs >> http://www.sugarlabs.org >> <http://www.sugarlabs.org> >> >> ___ >> SLOBs mailing list >> sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs >> >> > > ___ > SLOBs mailing list > sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > > ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
