Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tony's comments on localization

[Nick Doiron]

on the web, sure, I'd use Google Noto or the Cherokee Nation's preferred
font Digowheli (sp?)

how do you get it into Write and the Sugar interface though?  how are you
going to get the keyboard input working?  Kanji is supported by many
keyboards and fonts, but I've never seen an XO type those characters
On Jul 10, 2016 12:30 PM, "Dave Crossland"  wrote:

>
> On 10 July 2016 at 12:16, Nick Doiron  wrote:
>
>> Your primary issue would be getting a Cherokee font (including recent
>> Unicode addition of lower-case letters) to work on the laptop.
>>
>
> Google Noto solves this :)
>
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Re: [IAEP] Tony's comments on localization

[Nick Doiron]

re Cherokee language: I had the opportunity to work with Cherokee Nation on
a technology localization project five years ago when I was at Esri

The Cherokee Nation has a specially organized team involved in translating
tech.
Your primary issue would be getting a Cherokee font (including recent
Unicode addition of lower-case letters) to work on the laptop.
Cherokee schools also have a good relationship with Apple, so they've
localized the Mac and iOS for school use already.  If you had a compelling
reason for Sugar in their schools, you'd want to explain it to their
localization group and see what they think.

Nick
On Jul 10, 2016 11:28 AM, "Tony Anderson"  wrote:

Hi, Sebastian

I have great difficulty understanding why we don't take advantage of that
position to enlist our
users worldwide to assist by supplying their unique knowledge of their own
language.

Tony

On 07/10/2016 04:24 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:

> Some of us believe Free Software and Sugar are in a unique position to
> support languages which don't have support from mainstream systems.
> Meanwhile there exists Windows in Cherokee already.
>

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Re: [IAEP] New Scratch Blocks announced at Google IO

[Nick Doiron]

They don't have a lot of technical details in the post, but reading between
the lines, it sounds like Google and Scratch are settling on Google Blockly
library?  This is the same one used by Code.org in their examples

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> Hi
>
>
> https://medium.com/mit-media-lab/scratch-google-next-generation-of-programming-blocks-for-kids-5f377ec9ff0
>
> Interesting evolution of the blocks programming approach :)
>
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Re: [IAEP] Trip Advisor grant statement of work

[Nick Doiron]

That's great news. Is this specifically for localizing Sugar OS and the
core activities, or can it be applied more generally to Haitian Creole
language resources for Sugar / Sugarizer ?
On Feb 13, 2016 8:38 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:

> Haitian was not mentioned specifically in the Trip Advisor grant, but we
> did allocate funds (still unspent AFAIK) for Haitian Creole. Love to invest
> in that effort if you can identify someone to do the work.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Nick Doiron  wrote:
>
>> Hi Walter and SLOBs,
>>
>> In 2013, I was asked to participate in a Haitian Creole translation
>> program with SugarLabs, TripAdvisor, and EducaVision. Predictably, there
>> was a trivial software issue and I never saw this work completed.
>>
>> I did release a Sugar activity which is on "HaitiOS" laptops today, and a
>> static HTML+JS app which you can access here
>> https://github.com/mapmeld/diy-dictionary
>>
>> I don't see Haiti mentioned in your TripAdvisor email.  I have friends
>> still working with Sugar in Haiti, so I'm curious, is money still allocated
>> for Haitian Creole? After 3 years, can another Creole translator be
>> selected? Thanks.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Nick Doiron
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Walter Bender 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was asked to repost the statement of work from the Trip Advisor grant.
>>> Here it is:
>>>
>>> There are two specific goals for the Tripadvisor grant:
>>>
>>> (1) Broaden the reach of our indigenous language support. Currently we
>>> have language projects in ~150 languages (for example, we cover Aymara,
>>> Quechua, Gurani and other languages of the Andes region). But the problem
>>> is enormous: for example, in Nigeria, there are more than 300 languages
>>> spoken. We only have partial coverage in four of these languages. We need
>>> to push much harder on making Sugar be available in the local language of
>>> the learner; this requires both outreach and coordination that is above and
>>> beyond what we can support strictly through our volunteer efforts. So we
>>> are hoping to establish a seed fund to help with translation efforts:
>>> augmenting the efforts of our volunteers with some professional translation
>>> services in Latin America, Africa, and South Asia.
>>>
>>> (2) Support for a major new outreach initiative we are launching in
>>> October 2013. We are celebrating International Turtle Art Day (Turtle Art
>>> is a programming environment for children that is one of the cornerstone
>>> apps bundled with the Sugar platform.) We are trying to:
>>> * Promote the use of Turtle Art (We have three million users, but would
>>> like to double that number over the next three years);
>>> * Share and promote best practices (We want to ensure that our users are
>>> getting maximum value from their investment of time);
>>> * Celebrate projects for children and teachers (We want to bring
>>> children together to their local venues and connect them globally through a
>>> shared project site to their peers as a way of encouraging them to push
>>> themselves further -- creating a network effect around learning
>>> opportunities).
>>>
>>> Internationalization and localization are on-going efforts for us and
>>> areas we take quite seriously. As we expand to more regions, the need to
>>> develop and sustain local localization teams is paramount to reaching more
>>> children with our learning tools. We would use the Tripadvisor donation as
>>> the initial basis of a fund to help
>>> translation efforts both targeted opportunistically by Sugar Labs and on
>>> demand by our user community, with an emphasis on expanding our reach in
>>> Africa.
>>>
>>> Turtle Art Day is scheduled for October 2013. (We already have venues
>>> lined up in the United States, Peru, Colombia, Nicaragua, Paraguay,
>>> Uruguay, Nigeria, India, and Australia). We hope that Turtle Art Day will
>>> be an annual event, celebrated simultaneously in 100s of venues. We are
>>> asking TAMG to be the inaugural event sponsor and to help us establish a
>>> framework by which it can be readily replicated in the coming years.
>>>
>>> The internationalization and localization work would be overseen by
>>> Chris Leonard, the Sugar Labs Internationalization Team leader. The
>>> management of the funds wo

Re: [IAEP] Trip Advisor grant statement of work

[Nick Doiron]

Hi Walter and SLOBs,

In 2013, I was asked to participate in a Haitian Creole translation program
with SugarLabs, TripAdvisor, and EducaVision. Predictably, there was a
trivial software issue and I never saw this work completed.

I did release a Sugar activity which is on "HaitiOS" laptops today, and a
static HTML+JS app which you can access here
https://github.com/mapmeld/diy-dictionary

I don't see Haiti mentioned in your TripAdvisor email.  I have friends
still working with Sugar in Haiti, so I'm curious, is money still allocated
for Haitian Creole? After 3 years, can another Creole translator be
selected? Thanks.

Regards,
Nick Doiron

On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> I was asked to repost the statement of work from the Trip Advisor grant.
> Here it is:
>
> There are two specific goals for the Tripadvisor grant:
>
> (1) Broaden the reach of our indigenous language support. Currently we
> have language projects in ~150 languages (for example, we cover Aymara,
> Quechua, Gurani and other languages of the Andes region). But the problem
> is enormous: for example, in Nigeria, there are more than 300 languages
> spoken. We only have partial coverage in four of these languages. We need
> to push much harder on making Sugar be available in the local language of
> the learner; this requires both outreach and coordination that is above and
> beyond what we can support strictly through our volunteer efforts. So we
> are hoping to establish a seed fund to help with translation efforts:
> augmenting the efforts of our volunteers with some professional translation
> services in Latin America, Africa, and South Asia.
>
> (2) Support for a major new outreach initiative we are launching in
> October 2013. We are celebrating International Turtle Art Day (Turtle Art
> is a programming environment for children that is one of the cornerstone
> apps bundled with the Sugar platform.) We are trying to:
> * Promote the use of Turtle Art (We have three million users, but would
> like to double that number over the next three years);
> * Share and promote best practices (We want to ensure that our users are
> getting maximum value from their investment of time);
> * Celebrate projects for children and teachers (We want to bring children
> together to their local venues and connect them globally through a shared
> project site to their peers as a way of encouraging them to push themselves
> further -- creating a network effect around learning opportunities).
>
> Internationalization and localization are on-going efforts for us and
> areas we take quite seriously. As we expand to more regions, the need to
> develop and sustain local localization teams is paramount to reaching more
> children with our learning tools. We would use the Tripadvisor donation as
> the initial basis of a fund to help
> translation efforts both targeted opportunistically by Sugar Labs and on
> demand by our user community, with an emphasis on expanding our reach in
> Africa.
>
> Turtle Art Day is scheduled for October 2013. (We already have venues
> lined up in the United States, Peru, Colombia, Nicaragua, Paraguay,
> Uruguay, Nigeria, India, and Australia). We hope that Turtle Art Day will
> be an annual event, celebrated simultaneously in 100s of venues. We are
> asking TAMG to be the inaugural event sponsor and to help us establish a
> framework by which it can be readily replicated in the coming years.
>
> The internationalization and localization work would be overseen by Chris
> Leonard, the Sugar Labs Internationalization Team leader. The management of
> the funds would be overseen by the executive director, Walter Bender, who
> also happens to be the lead developer of the Turtle Art program. Sugar Labs
> will provide Tripadvisor with detailed reports on all spending.
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> --
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Re: [IAEP] 2016-2018 Oversight Board

[Nick Doiron]

Can we avoid using these lists to tell people how to vote, except via
candidate statements. It'll be much more constructive.

The list of voting members is public. You can find your friends there.

PS don't reply to me/everyone about this as I'm not voting and muting the
rest of this thread.

Nick Doiron
On Dec 30, 2015 12:31 AM, "Dan Tenason"  wrote:

>
>
>
> Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:59 PM +08:00 from Laura Vargas <
> la...@somosazucar.org>:
>
>
> d
> Hello everybody / Hola a todos
>
> Hope all the holiday wishes come with many blessings for the big Sugar
> family.
>
> 2015 was a great year, many exciting releases! I would like to
> congratulate and thank you all.
>
> I'm glad we have enthusiastic candidates for the upcoming elections. It
> surely is of our best interest to have good quality software in the hands
> and heads of our little ones, therefore I believe during the 2016-2018
> period SL should center it's energy on QUALITY.
>
> Quality of process, functionalities, documentation,etc.
>
>
> So talking about Quality, one of the first things I would like to
> underline is that there currently is a deep organizational conflict since
> there is an Executive Director also serving as an Oversight Board member. I
> believe this situation is unhealthy and must be avoided if possible.
>
>
> How does Mr Bender having two roles causes quality problems for Sugar and
> Sugar Labs? How would Mr Bender's absence from the Board while retaining
> the title of Executive Directory improve the situation for the various
> stakeholders?
>
> This is effectively a statement of no confidence in Mr. Bender's
> Leadership. Until one has the data to support the proposal, it is going to
> to be hard to make such an emotionally charged change. There is a reason
> the board is colloquially know as "Friends of Walter."
>
> Dan
>
> From our wiki:
>
> "The Executive Director (ED) is responsible for the day to day operations
> of the foundation and reports directly to the Oversight Board
> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board>..."
>
> 'The current Executive Director is Walter Bender
> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter>, elected by the during the 
> 2008-09-19
> board meeting
> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2008/Log-2008-09-19>."
>
>
> I propose we ask Walter to withdraw his candidacy for the 2016-2018 Board
> and continue serving as Executive Director for Sugar Labs.
>
>
> Best regards.
> --
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> I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>
> Identi.ca/Skype acaire
> IRC kaametza
>
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Re: [IAEP] [UKids] Amzn Fire Sale No More: pricing rises 86% !

[Nick Doiron]

Percentage wise sure, but I don't think it's that much of a dollar
difference when it's compared to other devices and everything else a school
deployment needs. I'm reminded of a blogger's calculation a few years back,
that the NY Times could just send every subscriber a free iPad and save
millions. It doesn't make sense until you think of the complex logistics
which are already in place.

The tablet will return to the cheap price from time to time, and get
cheaper in the long run as it is mass produced.
On Nov 30, 2015 6:46 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:

> Amazon assures us they are not in fact a casino, with oscillating prices,
> oscillating inventory, and oscillating policies, and 86'ing inventory from
> a country whose code is +86 = China ;-)
>
> Perhaps worse from microdeployments' very practical and pragmatic
> perspective, looking out over the high walls of Fortress America, Amzn's
> tablets just don't exist in many countries, so that "local capacity
> building" CAN become more than a fundraising buzzword One Day.
>
> But yes: fyi Amazon has now almost doubled its tablet price range/target:
> "$64.99 without special offers", instead of $34.99-for-everyone so very
> recently.
>
> Braddock's cautions (about deployments having the logistics rug pulled out
> from under them) apply earlier than we imagined...
>
> Oh for the good old days when OLPC'S microdeployment pricing only
> oscillated about 10-to-20% of the XO's "China price" (perhaps that's still
> the case, if OLPC still uses DHL from China).  OLPC's microdeployment
> real/actual pricing (including country-by-country certication, delivery
> from China, customs brokering) being even more stable in the USA, last I
> checked anyway.
>
> The future of student devices / clean browsers / consistent Sugar UX
> remains all too blurry for now ~ might OLPC Australia's "Infinite" hardware
> (modular laptop, announced for September 2016) possibly reconsider a clean
> Sugar experience out-of-the-box?
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Re: [IAEP] [XSCE] RE: [UKids] Re: [support-gang] Taking OpenStreetMap Offline - DESIGN Call - Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC

[Nick Doiron]

ili?  Wanna Take This Map Outside, offline and off the
> grid, where we all belong/began?
>
> http://Internet-in-a-Box.org and similar efforts have made a gigantic 1st
> step: in Ghana and Rwanda I could never have imagined better reviews to our
> 2015 deployments begun there in recent months.  Many are now changing the
> game increasingly for the Bottom BillionS, among many who've literally
> never seen a globe before, nevermind a map of their own towns.  Both in
> OLPC (school) contexts, in libraries, on Nepali hillsides where folks don't
> have proper homes, and far beyond --- perspectives (literally) are about to
> change.
>
> But modern phones today contain more than enough gigabytes to display ALL
> OpenStreetMap map detail within most countries, and yet they do not yet,
> WHY?  Where are the Khan Academies and KA Lites of OSM (OpenStreetMap)
> bringing new classroom/journalistic rubrics, freeing everyone's "brain
> software" to explore and document our own communities in our own languages?
>
> *Who Will Take The Next Steps?*
> *What engineering middleware, distribution vectors, community/economic
> models, and final field packagings will get us all there & beyond?*
>
> *Will offline edit-contributions prove impossible, much like with
> Wikipedia in Peru, when offline kids edit overly stale
> OpenStreetMap/Wikipedia images a year before/later?*
>
>
>
> As such the wider OLPC community is hosting a DESIGN Call to bring forward
> ideas across the OpenStreetMap landscape, fertilizing our immediate work
> with school server projects like http://schoolserver.org, http://xsce.org,
> https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Education-Li-f-e ETC.  Ministries of
> Education in India elsewhere are watching closely, expressly eager to help
> if we can point the way.  All giving our "2020 Vision" questions very
> practical and immediate "customers" well before 2020, much like Garmin GPS
> units fed a wonderful ecosystem of geo-specific "gmapsupp.img" offline map
> files over the past decade:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/Download
>
> That decade's now done: what IS our framework for the coming decade?
> Please join us if you have strategic/partnership ideas towards making
> Offline OSM Designs happen, *Thank You !!*
>
>
>
> 10AM New York Time / 2PM UTC
>
> Thursday, June 11th
>
> RSVP with your Skype username, if we are more than 15-20 we'll use an
> industrial conference call system instead!
>
>
> CONCLUSION: Could OpenStreetMap be the very ultimate in Constructionist
> Learning Projects, replacing OLPC in coming years, on a quickly
> shrinking/endangered but still green-in-parts planet?  Regardless, how to
> build the OLPC Movement's offline/civic learning successes, consciously
> learning from its community infrastructural mistakes?  Nick Doiron (
> http://mapmeld.com) and Anish Mangal (
> https://in.linkedin.com/in/anishmangal) who've spent years thinking about
> this topic will lead the discussion, agenda is entirely yours!  OPTIONAL:
> submit agenda items in advance right here:
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o6QtzLb6e58YKWqMf_junux2XyBRLFm31un8YLcYslg
>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] OLPC-SF February meeting

[Nick Doiron]

I believe the official language code is HT
On Feb 23, 2015 9:09 AM, "Gonzalo Odiard"  wrote:

> I can create the templates to do the translation and sent to you.
> Or I can upload and you can translate them online.
> The process is a little different than with the pottle server used to
> translate activities,
> but the idea is the same.
> I need the localization code you are using to Haitian Creole
>
> Gonzalo
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Sora Edwards-Thro 
> wrote:
>
>> Good to see it's been updated! I look forward to checking it out to see
>> what content we're using in Haiti that it's missing. We've been using our
>> customized course guide  to
>> help teachers design lesson plans, but materials that provide a basic
>> overview of the activities themselves would also be helpful. How would I go
>> about helping with translation efforts into Haitian Creole?
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Gonzalo Odiard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A little unrelated, but could be useful. The new version of Help
>>> activity added information about more activities,
>>> including many you named.
>>>
>>> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4051
>>>
>>> Help activity content can be translated if you or other are interested.
>>> Actual content is based in the work of many volunteersin this list, and
>>> more content can be easily added.
>>>
>>> Gonzalo
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:44 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro >> > wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for passing that on, Gonzalo! (note to self: when embarking on a
 project, first go to Sugar Labs and search extremely-relevant terms like
 "Story" instead of just assuming the stuff you've seen / used before is the
 only stuff that exists).

 I like the open-endedness of Story. It also looks like it might not be
 hard to modify the images it's using - kids could nominate different
 pictures, or you could take examples from stories the class had read.





 On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Gonzalo Odiard 
 wrote:

> You can add Story
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4565
>
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro <
> s...@unleashkids.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> We're looking for programming help on student writing software; hope
>> some OLPC SF folks can become involved! I'm over on the East Coast, but I
>> can join in over Skype / respond to questions via email if folks are
>> interested.
>>
>> Here are some more details:
>> Unleash Kids recently received recognition
>>  for our iloominate
>>  app (shout-out to Caryl
>> Bigenho for her input and Mike Dawson, whose Ustad Mobile project was 
>> also
>> recognized). The app helps teachers write books
>> 
>> for beginning readers by recommending easy words; now we're shifting our
>> focus to supporting student writers.
>>
>> There are already several excellent writing activities for the Sugar,
>> which we're including as we design lessons for a summer writing workshop
>> for our XO projects in Haiti:
>>
>> -Labyrinth ,
>> a mindmapping activity that gets kids thinking
>> 
>> about how to lay out their ideas on paper
>> -Fototoon ,
>> comic-book style creations; a perpetual favorite
>> 
>> -Newspaper , an example of how
>> templates can enable kids
>>  to
>> explore new formats
>> -Prompt
>> ,
>> literally just presents students with a random image from a library for
>> them to write about...proof that simple stuff can be powerful
>>
>> We want to supplement these great activities with some new stuff,
>> based on teacher recommendations. A lot of the focus will be on creating
>> templates and scenarios that kids can use as inspiration - for example, 
>> we
>> can present the kids with a scene of people talking, where the speech
>> bubbles aren't filled in, and ask them to fill in the speech bubbles.
>> That's one of many ideas for an effective tool.
>>
>> We also hope to make use of the XSCE schoolserver installed on-site
>> to enable the kids to collaborate and share the finished products with 
>> one
>> another.
>>
>> Our most dire need is help with the programming, but we also w

Re: [IAEP] [UKids] Khan Academy videos offline

[Nick Doiron]

Hi Lionel,

I'm working on the same thing right now, for an Unleash Kids project in
Haiti
Have you converted to OGG format and embedded them for use with OLPC XOs?
I've got a transcoding script running at home but it will take a few days.
https://github.com/mapmeld/haiti-new-content/blob/master/yt-to-ogg.py

-- Nick

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Lionel Laské 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The question about how to get videos from Khan Academy in any language was
> asked several times on this list.
> We planned this year to deploy offline Khan Academy videos in French to
> our Nosy Komba deployment. So I've worked with Bibliotheque Sans Frontiere
> to get French videos.
> They suggested me to use KA Lite [1], a software dedicated to install a
> offline Khan Academy server.
> BTW it's slightly intrusive and need some installation. So I've write a
> script to explore and extract only videos URL. You could find it here [2].
> The result of the script could be seen here [3] as a tree or here [4] as a
> single list.
>
> Hope it could help.
>
> Best regards from France.
>
>Lionel.
>
>
> [1] https://learningequality.org/ka-lite/
> [2] https://github.com/llaske/kaexplore
> [3] http://olpc-france.org/download/kaen.txt
> [4] http://olpc-france.org/download/kalisten.txt
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Re: [IAEP] World Bank Apps for Development

[Nick Doiron]

For a World Bank App for education, you could start with the MapStats
activity (uses open SVG and JavaScript maps)
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/MapStats

I abandoned it awhile ago, but it's a working Sugar activity for
statistics.  Adding a click/hover event would let you display precise
values for each country.

Regards,
Nick Doiron
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