Re: [IAEP] #Documentation SL Funding Committe

[José Miguel García]

Buena idea Caryl!
Quizá se pueda comenzar con algunas grabaciones cortas, que permitan que
los maestros vean qué posibilidades hay con algunas de las aplicaciones
disponibles, más desde lo pedagógico. Hay maestros con mucha experiencia en
esto, y muy innovadores...

Y una Sugar Fest es excelente!

Saludos


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2016-07-09 12:10 GMT-03:00 Caryl Bigenho :

> Sugarizer is the best way to get Sugar into classrooms in the USA. No cost
> for the devices... The kids already have them. Start small with a mini
> "Sugarizer For Schools." Have great documentation and easy to use,
> fail-safe, lesson plans available free online. Present and demo at teachers
> conferences.  Lots of teachers conferences. Do the same at Linux Fests all
> over the country.
>
> I could (and probably should) expand on this... Such as... Maybe start
> with one subject area (eg Math). Use Master teachers like Rosamel in
> Uruguay to help...
>
> Caryl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>
>
> El 7 de julio de 2016, 7:52, Dave Crossland  escribió:
>
>>
>> On 7 July 2016 at 08:49, José Miguel García 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sin embargo, a través de la experiencia de Argentina en Conectar
>>> Igualdad, donde se daba la posibilidad de que cada centro instalara su
>>> sistema.
>>
>>
>> Wow, that's amazing!! :D
>>
>> I guess in the USA it is common to create bad lawsuits if things go
>> wrong, preventing schools from offering this possibility.
>>
>
> Thank you all for reading. It is a shame we don't have hundreds of
> teachers from the US in the member's list!
>
> Huayra (witch BTW means Wind in Quechua) from Conectar Igualdad Argentina
> is probably the most inspiring distro we have in Latam. [1]
>
> I hope one day other countries like México, Perú and Colombia start using
> it, forking it or somehow making their own "Huayra type" libre OS.
> Unfortunatly, the program may losse gobernment support as Microsoft is
> offering no cost licenses to President Macri [2].
>
> Getting back to the subject of this thread, I think we should facilitate
> the use of Sugar in the US asap. We may be able to get an easy entry point
> by executing the translation of Sugar to Cherokee and/or Navajo. [3]
>
> Hope to get the SL goals defined soon :D
>
> [1]
> http://wiki.huayra.conectarigualdad.gob.ar/index.php/%C2%A1Bienvenidos_a_Huayra_GNU/Linux
> !
> [2]
> http://www.ieco.clarin.com/economia/Microsoft-ofrecio-Macri-software-estudiantes_0_1508849461.html
> [3]
> http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140606-why-we-must-save-dying-languages
>
> --
> Laura V.
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>
> Happy Learning!
>
>
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[Caryl Bigenho]

Sugarizer is the best way to get Sugar into classrooms in the USA. No cost for 
the devices... The kids already have them. Start small with a mini "Sugarizer 
For Schools." Have great documentation and easy to use, fail-safe, lesson plans 
available free online. Present and demo at teachers conferences.  Lots of 
teachers conferences. Do the same at Linux Fests all over the country. 

I could (and probably should) expand on this... Such as... Maybe start with one 
subject area (eg Math). Use Master teachers like Rosamel in Uruguay to help...

Caryl

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:
> 
> 
> El 7 de julio de 2016, 7:52, Dave Crossland  escribió:
>> 
>> On 7 July 2016 at 08:49, José Miguel García  wrote:
>>> Sin embargo, a través de la experiencia de Argentina en Conectar Igualdad, 
>>> donde se daba la posibilidad de que cada centro instalara su sistema.
>> 
>> Wow, that's amazing!! :D 
>> 
>> I guess in the USA it is common to create bad lawsuits if things go wrong, 
>> preventing schools from offering this possibility. 
> 
> Thank you all for reading. It is a shame we don't have hundreds of teachers 
> from the US in the member's list!
> 
> Huayra (witch BTW means Wind in Quechua) from Conectar Igualdad Argentina is 
> probably the most inspiring distro we have in Latam. [1]
> 
> I hope one day other countries like México, Perú and Colombia start using it, 
> forking it or somehow making their own "Huayra type" libre OS. Unfortunatly, 
> the program may losse gobernment support as Microsoft is offering no cost 
> licenses to President Macri [2].
> 
> Getting back to the subject of this thread, I think we should facilitate the 
> use of Sugar in the US asap. We may be able to get an easy entry point by 
> executing the translation of Sugar to Cherokee and/or Navajo. [3] 
> 
> Hope to get the SL goals defined soon :D
> 
> [1] 
> http://wiki.huayra.conectarigualdad.gob.ar/index.php/%C2%A1Bienvenidos_a_Huayra_GNU/Linux!
> [2] 
> http://www.ieco.clarin.com/economia/Microsoft-ofrecio-Macri-software-estudiantes_0_1508849461.html
> [3] http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140606-why-we-must-save-dying-languages
> 
> -- 
> Laura V.
> I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
> IRC kaametza
> 
> Happy Learning!
> 
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Re: [IAEP] #Documentation SL Funding Committe

[Laura Vargas]

El 7 de julio de 2016, 7:52, Dave Crossland  escribió:

>
> On 7 July 2016 at 08:49, José Miguel García 
> wrote:
>
>> Sin embargo, a través de la experiencia de Argentina en Conectar
>> Igualdad, donde se daba la posibilidad de que cada centro instalara su
>> sistema.
>
>
> Wow, that's amazing!! :D
>
> I guess in the USA it is common to create bad lawsuits if things go wrong,
> preventing schools from offering this possibility.
>

Thank you all for reading. It is a shame we don't have hundreds of teachers
from the US in the member's list!

Huayra (witch BTW means Wind in Quechua) from Conectar Igualdad Argentina
is probably the most inspiring distro we have in Latam. [1]

I hope one day other countries like México, Perú and Colombia start using
it, forking it or somehow making their own "Huayra type" libre OS.
Unfortunatly, the program may losse gobernment support as Microsoft is
offering no cost licenses to President Macri [2].

Getting back to the subject of this thread, I think we should facilitate
the use of Sugar in the US asap. We may be able to get an easy entry point
by executing the translation of Sugar to Cherokee and/or Navajo. [3]

Hope to get the SL goals defined soon :D

[1]
http://wiki.huayra.conectarigualdad.gob.ar/index.php/%C2%A1Bienvenidos_a_Huayra_GNU/Linux
!
[2]
http://www.ieco.clarin.com/economia/Microsoft-ofrecio-Macri-software-estudiantes_0_1508849461.html
[3]
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140606-why-we-must-save-dying-languages

-- 
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[Dave Crossland]

On 7 July 2016 at 08:49, José Miguel García  wrote:

> Sin embargo, a través de la experiencia de Argentina en Conectar Igualdad,
> donde se daba la posibilidad de que cada centro instalara su sistema.


Wow, that's amazing!! :D

I guess in the USA it is common to create bad lawsuits if things go wrong,
preventing schools from offering this possibility.
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[José Miguel García]

Hola!
De acuerdo con Dave que es difícil.
Sin embargo, a través de la experiencia de Argentina en Conectar Igualdad,
donde se daba la posibilidad de que cada centro instalara su sistema. Si
bien en un principio la mayoría optaba por Windows se realizó un movimiento
importante para la instalación de una versión propia de Linux, el Huayra,
que fue ganando terreno. Esto ocurrió con esfuerzo del Estado, aunque sin
convertirse en una obligación.

Saludos




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2016-07-07 9:35 GMT-03:00 Dave Crossland :

>
> 2016-07-07 7:45 GMT-04:00 José Miguel García :
>
>> Sostenemos, sin embargo, que si los dispositivos hubieran contado con
>> Windows, el SO más conocido, su uso habría sido para seguir haciendo más de
>> lo mismo.
>
>
> I think that is great :)
>
> However, it seems possible only with either a top-down state mandate to
> use Sugar as a desktop, or a bottoms-up local exceptional IT support person
> who can support a GNU/Linux deployment. I think it is unlikely for
> autonomous schools or districts who have Windows computers to reinstall
> them with a Sugar distro.
>
> I also think that even in places with top-down state mandates for
> state-owned computers, having Sugar run natively on Windows would help
> drive adoption of constructionist education: Last week I spoke to the NDSU
> "local lab" (https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/North_Dakota_State_University)
> and they said that no one would install a distro on home computers (running
> Windows) because either they couldn't figure out how to boot from a USB
> key, despite the documentation provided, or, the family wouldn't permit the
> documentation to be followed because of the risk of data loss and idling
> the machine while waiting for tech support.
>
>
>
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[Dave Crossland]

2016-07-07 7:45 GMT-04:00 José Miguel García :

> Sostenemos, sin embargo, que si los dispositivos hubieran contado con
> Windows, el SO más conocido, su uso habría sido para seguir haciendo más de
> lo mismo.


I think that is great :)

However, it seems possible only with either a top-down state mandate to use
Sugar as a desktop, or a bottoms-up local exceptional IT support person who
can support a GNU/Linux deployment. I think it is unlikely for autonomous
schools or districts who have Windows computers to reinstall them with a
Sugar distro.

I also think that even in places with top-down state mandates for
state-owned computers, having Sugar run natively on Windows would help
drive adoption of constructionist education: Last week I spoke to the NDSU
"local lab" (https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/North_Dakota_State_University)
and they said that no one would install a distro on home computers (running
Windows) because either they couldn't figure out how to boot from a USB
key, despite the documentation provided, or, the family wouldn't permit the
documentation to be followed because of the risk of data loss and idling
the machine while waiting for tech support.
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[José Miguel García]

Hola!
Gracias Caryl por el relato, que es muy interesante.
Lo que hemos aprendido de la experiencia en Uruguay, donde el proyecto
tiene ya 9 años y es un despliegue a nivel nacional, es que los procesos
son lentos, a pesar de los espacios de formación para los maestros. A pesar
de esto, los avances ocurren, sobre todo cuando los docentes dan sentido
pedagógico al proceso, modificando prácticas de trasmisión de información
por espacios más creativos. En este sentido, el construccionismo es una
buena mirada, y Sugar una excelente herramienta para esto.
En Uruguay fue adoptado por una decisión del Estado, y por esa razón tiene
una gran difusión en todo el país. Sostenemos, sin embargo, que si los
dispositivos hubieran contado con Windows, el SO más conocido, su uso
habría sido para seguir haciendo más de lo mismo.
Entonces, el gran potencial de Sugar depende fundamentalmente de que los
maestros no solo lo conozcan, sino que descubran que es una buena
herramienta para trabajar en el aula.
En la inclusión de las tecnologías hay muchas historias de sistemas
comerciales que ingresan a la escuela. Y es importante tener claro que los
niños no son adultos pequeños. Esa es una de las fortalezas de Sugar que es
necesario potenciar.

Entiendo que el mejor uso de los recursos sería a través de los procesos de
formación de los maestros, para que conozcan las potencialidades de Sugar y
sus formas de trabajo.

Saludos!



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2016-07-06 22:22 GMT-03:00 Dave Crossland :

> Hi Caryl
>
> On 6 July 2016 at 20:12, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
>
>> Actually,
>>
>
> (I am also grateful for Sameer and José Miguel's input, but unlike Adam
> and Tony who I mentioned, they are not participating here very much which
> is why I didn't mention them.)
>
> I understand that you think SL should be developing non-software resources
> for schools. If SL had $10,000 to spend on such resources, what do you
> think it should commission? :)
>
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[Dave Crossland]

Hi Caryl

On 6 July 2016 at 20:12, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

> Actually,
>

(I am also grateful for Sameer and José Miguel's input, but unlike Adam and
Tony who I mentioned, they are not participating here very much which is
why I didn't mention them.)

I understand that you think SL should be developing non-software resources
for schools. If SL had $10,000 to spend on such resources, what do you
think it should commission? :)

-- 
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[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Folks...
Actually, there are at least two other SLOB members who have active experience 
in the classroom, José Miguel Garcia is a much honored educator in Uruguay. 
And, Adam Holt has long, ongoing, and extensive classroom experience with the 
projects, teachers, and students he works with in Haiti. Both of them have a 
realistic, clear view of what it takes to get teacher buy in and to foster 
student participation and success with Sugar. 
Sameer Verma may have similar experience with the projects he has worked with 
in India and Jamaica and, probably other places as well.
Caryl

From: d...@lab6.com
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 18:03:19 -0400
Subject: Re: [IAEP] #Documentation SL Funding Committe
To: cbige...@hotmail.com
CC: walter.ben...@gmail.com; la...@somosazucar.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org

Hi
Thanks Caryl, this is all very informative and I'm glad you are here to explain 
this context :) 
On 6 July 2016 at 17:18, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
Teacher training and "buy-in" is essential for Sugar/Sugarizer to succeed no 
matter what platform, language, or country you/we are working in. This is where 
SugarLabs has been remiss.
I am grateful that (and think we are all lucky to have) Adam and Tony 
participating here and on the SL board, but it seems to me that we do not have 
many other direct links to existing Sugar user communities. It seems to me that 
there is the Sugar Labs community, which steers the development of Sugar 
software, and then there is the IIAB/XSCE/Unleash Kids/OLPC-X "deployment" 
community, and that in the last 10 years some kind of antagonisms have 
developed which keep the two communities divided. (What I mean by OLPC-X is 
that there is no longer a community around OLPC itself, but there are still a 
few user associations like OLPC-France, OLPC-Canada, OLPC-Australia.) 

I wonder that perhaps developing teacher training media or other resources 
needed for "buy-in" will be definitively considered in or out of scope for 
Sugar Labs during Sameer's Vision Quest... that Sugar Labs could be delineated 
as being focused on developing Sugar software, and doing outreach to software 
developers who are parents or school district employees or otherwise interested 
in making software for kids, including providing hardware with Sugar 
pre-installed at less than 10 units per order, and relies on other projects to 
deliver that software to classrooms... or, that Sugar Labs is focused on 
providing non-profit commercial support for Sugar, and develops user support 
media as well as consulting services for school districts, including providing 
hardware with Sugar pre-installed at 100+ units per order. 
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[Dave Crossland]

Hi

Thanks Caryl, this is all very informative and I'm glad you are here to
explain this context :)

On 6 July 2016 at 17:18, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

> Teacher training and "buy-in" is essential for Sugar/Sugarizer to succeed
> no matter what platform, language, or country you/we are working in. This
> is where SugarLabs has been remiss.
>

I am grateful that (and think we are all lucky to have) Adam and Tony
participating here and on the SL board, but it seems to me that we do not
have many other direct links to existing Sugar user communities. It seems
to me that there is the Sugar Labs community, which steers the development
of Sugar software, and then there is the IIAB/XSCE/Unleash Kids/OLPC-X
"deployment" community, and that in the last 10 years some kind of
antagonisms have developed which keep the two communities divided. (What I
mean by OLPC-X is that there is no longer a community around OLPC itself,
but there are still a few user associations like OLPC-France, OLPC-Canada,
OLPC-Australia.)

I wonder that perhaps developing teacher training media or other resources
needed for "buy-in" will be definitively considered in or out of scope for
Sugar Labs during Sameer's Vision Quest... that Sugar Labs could be
delineated as being focused on developing Sugar software, and doing
outreach to software developers who are parents or school district
employees or otherwise interested in making software for kids, including
providing hardware with Sugar pre-installed at less than 10 units per
order, and relies on other projects to deliver that software to
classrooms... or, that Sugar Labs is focused on providing non-profit
commercial support for Sugar, and develops user support media as well as
consulting services for school districts, including providing hardware with
Sugar pre-installed at 100+ units per order.

-- 
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[Caryl Bigenho]

Hi Folks….
The funds referred to in the Dept of Ed announcement (2 years old) are Title I, 
II, and III funds. These are allocated to schools annually based on certain 
criteria. For example, if the student population of a school comes from largely 
low income, disadvantaged homes, the school will be eligible for Title I funds. 
Most of the schools in LAUSD (where I taught for 30+ years) now qualify for 
Title I funding.
Thus said, if someone is working with a Sugar/Sugarizer project at aTitle I 
school they may wish to use some of the funds on educational technology. But, 
keep in mind that these funds are also used for things like Teacher's aides, 
parent education, field trips, and the like. There is a lot of competition for 
the money. 
If you were a teacher with a class of 36 disadvantaged students would you 
rather have an extra hand to help in the classroom (an Aide) or would you 
rather have 36 laptops/tablets? If you have ever worked in such a classroom (as 
I have) you would know the answer… it's a "no brainer," you will take the Aide, 
thank you!
The iPad fiasco in LAUSD was incredible! Supt Deasy lost his job over it.  I 
talked with several teachers about it and they said it was crazy. The teachers 
did not receive proper training in advance to be able to use the tablets 
effectively with their students.  Some schools kept them locked up most of the 
time. For the ones who checked them out to students, the accountability was 
terrible and hundreds, maybe even thousands of the tablets simply "disappeared."
Even in Uruguay, where there was excellent training for teachers, great parent 
and community involvement, and a pretty good accounting system, machines 
disappeared and many teachers didn't really "buy in" to the use of the XOs with 
their students. 
We saw that on some of our visits to classrooms in Uruguay during EduJam  in 
2011. In one classroom in Montevideo, a teacher gave the students a math 
graphing assignment to do on their XOs using data they had collected during a 
recent vacation break. Few of the students did the assignment. Most went 
directly to the internet to play games and tend to their "webkins." (Another 
reason for having IIAB!) 
Yet, a few days later we saw what was essentially the same lesson at a school 
in rural Durazno where the students were all very involved with the lesson and 
presented excellent individual results. The second classroom was that of 
Rosamel Ramirez Mendez, one of the finest teachers I have run into anywhere.  
At EduJam, we also got to see some of the great science experiments Trinidad 
Guzman used with his students. And, now his guide to doing it is available in 
English too, thanks to Tony Anderson, Laura Vargus, and Sebastiain Silva.
Teacher training and "buy-in" is essential for Sugar/Sugarizer to succeed no 
matter what platform, language, or country you/we are working in.  This is 
where SugarLabs has been remiss. Until we address it "Big Time" we aren't going 
to see much progress.
Caryl
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I agree with Dave. It is really oriented towards school programs (in teh US) 
and professional development. I don't think it is a good match for Sugar Labs.
-walter
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:00 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:


On 5 July 2016 at 20:56, Laura Vargas  wrote:
Please read:
http://tech.ed.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Tech-Federal-Funds-Final-V2.pdf 
Nice find! Its great to see support for Open Educational Resources and that 
school districts can get federal funds to buy computer devices. However, I'm 
not sure SL would be eligible for any of those funds?


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[Walter Bender]

I agree with Dave. It is really oriented towards school programs (in teh
US) and professional development. I don't think it is a good match for
Sugar Labs.

-walter

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:00 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
>
> On 5 July 2016 at 20:56, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>
>> Please read:
>>
>>
>> http://tech.ed.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Tech-Federal-Funds-Final-V2.pdf
>>
>>
>
> Nice find! Its great to see support for Open Educational Resources and
> that school districts can get federal funds to buy computer devices.
> However, I'm not sure SL would be eligible for any of those funds?
>
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[Dave Crossland]

On 5 July 2016 at 20:56, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Please read:
>
>
> http://tech.ed.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Tech-Federal-Funds-Final-V2.pdf
>
>

Nice find! Its great to see support for Open Educational Resources and that
school districts can get federal funds to buy computer devices. However,
I'm not sure SL would be eligible for any of those funds?
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[Laura Vargas]

Please read:

http://tech.ed.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Tech-Federal-Funds-Final-V2.pdf

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