Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 107, Issue 15

2017-02-18 Thread Sean McGrath 
Something to help access to Sugar: https://etcher.io/ 
"Etcher is a powerful OS image flasher built with web technologies to ensure 
flashing an SDCard or USB drive is a pleasant and safe experience. It protects 
you from accidentally writing to your hard-drives, ensures every byte of data 
was written correctly and much more." 
Open source, Mac, Linux, Windows. 

Sean 
s...@manybits.net 


From: "Tony Anderson" <tony_ander...@usa.net> 
To: "iaep" <iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org> 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 9:18:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 107, Issue 15 

Consider an potential adopter who wants to try out Sugar. As Caryl knows from 
Scale, an adopter wants to know: 

1 - What are the capabilities of Sugar, what are its strengths, who is using 
it, are there success stories, testimonials from users? 
2 - How is it supported? If I were to deploy it and needed help, is it 
available? 
3 - How can I install it on my PC to try it out? 

Going to the Sugarlabs website, the first screen features: Activities, Wiki, 
Social Help. The next statement describes Sugar as a collection of tools. 
Being persistent, if you scroll down several screens, you get to a block: Get 
Sugar featuring SOAS and Gnu/Linux. 

For Sugar on a Stick, I am directed to another page. It starts out well - how 
to make a stick with Windows (but 7). The instructions say to download 650MB 
and burn a CD. At this point the instructions become incoherent. They say to 
mount a 2GB or more stick and then boot from the CD and start running Sugar 
from it using the Terminal activity and su. 

Then I am told that a change in Fedora 24 (the adopter is saying 'what's 
that?') requires the use of the command: 

sudo dnf install livecd-tools 

No potential adopter would persist even to this point. 

The other panel claims Sugar is available on most Gnu/Linux distributions. The 
accompanying instructions from the links on this panel are even more 
intimidating and provide evidence of lack of support for Sugar. 

In fact, I believe that Ubuntu 16.04 enables yum install of Sugar 0.110. This 
should be featured. 

Like Pixel, I would like to see a current Sugar image available for download 
which can be transfered to a usb stick by a single dd command. This stick would 
operate as SOAS but also support installation in an available block of hard 
drive on any amd_64 machine. A second image ideally would be installable as a 
Window application with a supported Windows installer (like wubi did). Finally, 
there should be a Debian image which can be copied to an SD card and booted by 
a Raspberry Pi 3 (and possibly 2). 

Finally, our hypothetical adopter should find this 'get Sugar' information on 
the main screen, not down six screens. 

Tony 

On 02/15/2017 11:20 PM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote: 



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From: Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com> To: Bert Freudenberg 
<b...@freudenbergs.de> Cc: IAEP SugarLabs <iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org> Subject: 
Re: [IAEP] pixel
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+1 for Tony's comment!

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Bert Freudenberg < b...@freudenbergs.de 
<mailto:b...@freudenbergs.de> > wrote:

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 6:35 AM, Tony Anderson < tony_ander...@usa.net 
<mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net> > wrote:
This is what I hoped Sugarlabs would do: 
https://opensource.com/article/17/1/try-raspberry-pis-pixel-os-your-pc Tony

Isn't that exactly what SoaS does? 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation - Bert - 




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Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 107, Issue 15

2017-02-17 Thread Tony Anderson 
Consider an potential adopter who wants to try out Sugar. As Caryl knows 
from Scale, an adopter wants to know:


1 - What are the capabilities of Sugar, what are its strengths, who is 
using it, are there success stories, testimonials from users?
2 - How is it supported? If I were to deploy it and needed help, is it 
available?

3 - How can I install it on my PC to try it out?

Going to the Sugarlabs website, the first screen features: Activities, 
Wiki, Social Help. The next statement describes Sugar as a collection of 
tools.
Being persistent, if you scroll down several screens, you get to a 
block: Get Sugar featuring SOAS and Gnu/Linux.


For Sugar on a Stick, I am directed to another page. It starts out well 
- how to make a stick with Windows (but 7). The instructions say to 
download 650MB and burn a CD. At this point the instructions become 
incoherent. They say to mount a 2GB or more stick and then boot from the 
CD and start running Sugar from it using the Terminal activity and su.


Then I am told that a change in Fedora 24 (the adopter is saying 'what's 
that?') requires the use of the command:


|sudo dnf install livecd-tools
|
No potential adopter would persist even to this point.

The other panel claims Sugar is available on most Gnu/Linux 
distributions. The accompanying instructions from the links on this 
panel are even more intimidating and provide evidence of lack of support 
for Sugar.


In fact, I believe that Ubuntu 16.04 enables yum install of Sugar 0.110. 
This should be featured.


Like Pixel, I would like to see a current Sugar image available for 
download which can be transfered to a usb stick by a single dd command. 
This stick would operate as SOAS but also support installation in an 
available block of hard drive on any amd_64 machine. A second image 
ideally would be installable as a Window application with a supported 
Windows installer (like wubi did). Finally, there should be a Debian 
image which can be copied to an SD card and booted by a Raspberry Pi 3 
(and possibly 2).


Finally, our hypothetical adopter should find this 'get Sugar' 
information on the main screen, not down six screens.


Tony

On 02/15/2017 11:20 PM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:

Message: 3
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:15:05 +
From: Caryl Bigenho
To: Bert Freudenberg
Cc: IAEP SugarLabs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] pixel
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+1 for Tony's comment!

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Bert Freudenberg 
> wrote:

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 6:35 AM, Tony Anderson 
> wrote:
This is what I hoped Sugarlabs would do:

https://opensource.com/article/17/1/try-raspberry-pis-pixel-os-your-pc

Tony

Isn't that exactly what SoaS does?

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation

- Bert -


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