Re: [IAEP] Private emails (was Re: Save as)

2016-07-14 Thread Laura Vargas 
2016-07-10 12:30 GMT-05:00 Sebastian Silva :

>
> El 10/07/16 a las 12:26, Tony Anderson escribió:
>
> Where is our list regarding the educational goals of Sugar?
>
> Yup, this is it.
>
> As a rule of thumb, if it mentions git or Python, use sugar-devel.
>
> ;-)
>
>
+1 Great rule! Thanks icarito for your proactivity :D


> Tony
>
> On 07/10/2016 06:10 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2016 11:54 AM, "Tony Anderson" < 
> tony_ander...@usa.net> wrote:
> >
> > However, since the various flaps concerning the Oversight Board, it is
> very
> > hard to find a discussion in IAEP that has any connection to education.
>
> My understanding is that this list is for threads not to do with software
> development technicalities but anything else to do with the project:
>
> "Its An Education _Project_"
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Re: [IAEP] Private emails (was Re: Save as)

2016-07-10 Thread Dave Crossland 
On Jul 10, 2016 1:44 PM, "Tony Anderson"  wrote:
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> Recently it has become the 'public' alternative to the SLOBs list.
Sure, I dont see any trouble in this. What harm do you see? What
alternative do you suggest? :)

>
> Tony
>
>
> On 07/10/2016 07:32 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 10 July 2016 at 13:26, Tony Anderson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Where is our list regarding the educational goals of Sugar?
>>
>>
>> Threads regarding the educational goals of Sugar are not to do with
software development technicalities so therefore happen on this list in
addition to all other topics. Right?
>>
>>
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Re: [IAEP] Private emails (was Re: Save as)

2016-07-10 Thread Sebastian Silva 
Tony,

I don't understand why you act offended.

This is in our statement of organizational principles:

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs


Information

  * Regular reports – Reported activities and future plans allow
monitoring and participation.
  * Information accessible – Even internal operational information is
available by default.

We try to operate /*en plein air

*/.

  * Explicit confidentiality – It is explained what matters are
confidential, why, and who can access them.

As an elected SLOB I expect you to abide by Sugar Lab's principles.

Regards,

Sebastian


El 10/07/16 a las 13:26, Tony Anderson escribió:
> Enough. Deciding to make actions of the Oversight Board public by
> posting them on another list is not a decision on the purpose of the
> SLOBs list.
>
> Tony
>
> On 07/10/2016 08:21 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:
>>
>> El 10/07/16 a las 13:17, Tony Anderson escribió:
>>> Who made that decision? Where is it recorded? Is it a part of our
>>> bylaws? How are we supposed to know that?
>> It has been affirmed many times over the years. But I guess it bears
>> repetition.
>>
>> Recently Walter confirmed this intent and committed to forwarding emails
>> from SLOBS (with some criteria) when appropriate.
>> .
>>
>

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Re: [IAEP] Private emails (was Re: Save as)

2016-07-10 Thread Tony Anderson 
Enough. Deciding to make actions of the Oversight Board public by 
posting them on another list is not a decision on the purpose of the 
SLOBs list.


Tony

On 07/10/2016 08:21 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:


El 10/07/16 a las 13:17, Tony Anderson escribió:

Who made that decision? Where is it recorded? Is it a part of our
bylaws? How are we supposed to know that?

It has been affirmed many times over the years. But I guess it bears
repetition.

Recently Walter confirmed this intent and committed to forwarding emails
from SLOBS (with some criteria) when appropriate.
.



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Re: [IAEP] Private emails (was Re: Save as)

2016-07-10 Thread Sebastian Silva 


El 10/07/16 a las 13:17, Tony Anderson escribió:
> Who made that decision? Where is it recorded? Is it a part of our
> bylaws? How are we supposed to know that?

It has been affirmed many times over the years. But I guess it bears
repetition.

Recently Walter confirmed this intent and committed to forwarding emails
from SLOBS (with some criteria) when appropriate.
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Re: [IAEP] Private emails (was Re: Save as)

2016-07-10 Thread Tony Anderson 
Who made that decision? Where is it recorded? Is it a part of our 
bylaws? How are we supposed to know that?


Tony

On 07/10/2016 07:45 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:

El 10/07/16 a las 12:44, Tony Anderson escribió:


Recently it has become the 'public' alternative to the SLOBs list.

Actually, SLOBs list was never meant to be used except when privacy
concerns made it unavoidable.
.



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Re: [IAEP] Private emails (was Re: Save as)

2016-07-10 Thread Sebastian Silva 
El 10/07/16 a las 12:44, Tony Anderson escribió:

> Recently it has become the 'public' alternative to the SLOBs list. 
Actually, SLOBs list was never meant to be used except when privacy
concerns made it unavoidable.
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Re: [IAEP] Private emails (was Re: Save as)

2016-07-10 Thread Tony Anderson 

Recently it has become the 'public' alternative to the SLOBs list.

Tony

On 07/10/2016 07:32 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:


On 10 July 2016 at 13:26, Tony Anderson > wrote:


Where is our list regarding the educational goals of Sugar?


Threads regarding the educational goals of Sugar are not to do with 
software development technicalities so therefore happen on this list 
in addition to all other topics. Right?





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Re: [IAEP] Private emails (was Re: Save as)

2016-07-10 Thread Dave Crossland 
On 10 July 2016 at 13:26, Tony Anderson  wrote:

> Where is our list regarding the educational goals of Sugar?
>

Threads regarding the educational goals of Sugar are not to do with
software development technicalities so therefore happen on this list in
addition to all other topics. Right?
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Re: [IAEP] Private emails (was Re: Save as)

2016-07-10 Thread Sebastian Silva 

El 10/07/16 a las 12:26, Tony Anderson escribió:
> Where is our list regarding the educational goals of Sugar?
>
Yup, this is it.

As a rule of thumb, if it mentions git or Python, use sugar-devel.

;-)

> Tony
>
> On 07/10/2016 06:10 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2016 11:54 AM, "Tony Anderson"  wrote:
>> >
>> > However, since the various flaps concerning the Oversight Board, it
>> is very
>> > hard to find a discussion in IAEP that has any connection to
>> education.
>>
>> My understanding is that this list is for threads not to do with
>> software development technicalities but anything else to do with the
>> project:
>>
>> "Its An Education _Project_"
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] Private emails (was Re: Save as)

2016-07-10 Thread Tony Anderson 

Where is our list regarding the educational goals of Sugar?

Tony

On 07/10/2016 06:10 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:



On Jul 10, 2016 11:54 AM, "Tony Anderson" > wrote:

>
> However, since the various flaps concerning the Oversight Board, it 
is very

> hard to find a discussion in IAEP that has any connection to education.

My understanding is that this list is for threads not to do with 
software development technicalities but anything else to do with the 
project:


"Its An Education _Project_"



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Re: [IAEP] Private emails (was Re: Save as)

2016-07-10 Thread Dave Crossland 
On Jul 10, 2016 11:54 AM, "Tony Anderson"  wrote:
>
> However, since the various flaps concerning the Oversight Board, it is
very
> hard to find a discussion in IAEP that has any connection to education.

My understanding is that this list is for threads not to do with software
development technicalities but anything else to do with the project:

"Its An Education _Project_"
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Re: [IAEP] Private emails (was Re: Save as)

2016-07-10 Thread Dave Crossland 
On Jul 10, 2016 11:54 AM, "Tony Anderson"  wrote:
>
> Hi, Sebastian
>
> I use private communication when I feel it is appropriate. There is no
way for me to know when you or Sam place comments
> on a PR, so that communication might as well be private.

I have some good news for you :)
You can get entailed every comment in a github report by clicking the
"watch" button at the top right of a repo page.

To can subscribe to specific issues and prs using the notify button on the
right side bar at its end, on the issue/ PR page

> In the context of GSOC, it might have been appropriate to mention
> this in a public or private email to Utkarsh and myself.
>
> Since you are helping as mentor for this project, I am particularly
surprised you did not inform me of your comment.
>
> I agree that it is not good practice to fill the lists with email.
However, since the various flaps concerning the Oversight Board, it is very
> hard to find a discussion in IAEP that has any connection to education. I
am sure you also are getting multiple emails from Dave Crossland - often I
get as many as four copies.

I just reply all. I do not email more than 1 list when I start a thread.

Mailman can be configured to reject emails to a list with more recipients
than the list, or to specific addresses. When I have proposed changing
mailman configs no one supported my suggestion. But I would support a
proposal to make the sl lists refuse emails to more than 1 list.

> Tony
>
>
> On 07/10/2016 05:43 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:
>>
>> On 07/10/2016 02:51 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:

 Tony,

 Please don't write in private.

>> Hi Tony,
>> I have asked that you do not write in private in the context of GSOC.
>>
>> In response you copied IAEP _and_ sugar-devel. It's not a good practice
>> to use more than one list (I just learned this some time ago).
>>
>> One list would suffice, or, in this case, since it is about a specific
>> Github PR, we can use that. The point is not to loose important
>> discussions where nobody can ever find them.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Sebastian
>> .
>>
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Re: [IAEP] Private emails (was Re: Save as)

2016-07-10 Thread Tony Anderson 

Hi, Sebastian

I use private communication when I feel it is appropriate. There is no 
way for me to know when you or Sam place comments
on a PR, so that communication might as well be private. In the context 
of GSOC, it might have been appropriate to mention

this in a public or private email to Utkarsh and myself.

Since you are helping as mentor for this project, I am particularly 
surprised you did not inform me of your comment.


I agree that it is not good practice to fill the lists with email. 
However, since the various flaps concerning the Oversight Board, it is very
hard to find a discussion in IAEP that has any connection to education. 
I am sure you also are getting multiple emails from Dave Crossland - 
often I get as many as four copies.


Tony

On 07/10/2016 05:43 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:

On 07/10/2016 02:51 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:

Tony,

Please don't write in private.


Hi Tony,
I have asked that you do not write in private in the context of GSOC.

In response you copied IAEP _and_ sugar-devel. It's not a good practice
to use more than one list (I just learned this some time ago).

One list would suffice, or, in this case, since it is about a specific
Github PR, we can use that. The point is not to loose important
discussions where nobody can ever find them.

Thanks!
Sebastian
.



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