Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant_of_XO_Avatar_Sugar_Boot.2C_Grey_to_Color_Transition I've finally updated the wiki with my first mockup! Sorry about the delay, I lack graphics editing skills I'm afraid. I have attached comment to the mockup. I keep the XO avatar size stable in this first one, I want to try another one with growing size as expressed yesterday. Note: the idea is this follows a previous page with Sugar logo, version info, copyright notice, and distro logo (+ possibility of school logo). I will try to work those into my next mockup. The spectrum colors were cheerfully eyedropped from an image of Ellsworth Kelly's painting Spectrum IV (1967), with the particularity that I thought it interesting to cycle from XO green (mockup green darker than should be, sorry) thanks Sean On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Sean--a visual would be good to fully understand the proposal. I guess my feeling on all of this is that less is more--as Eben said earlier, the boot sequence is really just the set-up for the UI. I'd be happy if we simply did away with the split-XO, but I'm also on-board with adding a bit of color, though I would caution not to overthink it. The reason the Mac OS boot sequence you mention works so well is due to its simplicity. Instead of a face, we have the XO as our emblem--and the circle, while making a reference to connectedness and community, transitions into a core feature of the UI in Home... Either way, looking forward to seeing your mockups! Christian On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I like Gary's most recent one with the dots filling in color I got halfway through a mockup with XO avatars appearing, then Activity icons, but I feel using either will just be too confusing... one could think network discovery was happening, or Activity loading. After much reflection, I think the friendliest greeting we could offer to Learners is a face, a Speakish one with eyes rolling around the ring (and a growing smile) while the colors come on. There are still many people who fell in love with their little Macs because of the smiley face. But... that's outside the Sugar HIG and I would think twice before stepping outside of that. So I reread them and came up with this idea (which I hope to mock up tomorrow): instead of dots, I want to do oblong ovals like a big version of the Activity spinner graphic. I searched high and low on sl.o and laptop.org for an SVG but only found a lo-res PNG :-( so I'll just improvise ovals. What I like about presenting the spinner is: immediate identification of a waiting period, no confusion with other elements (the filled in dots are too similar to networks in the Neighborhood view). Also I like that the spinner has 11, not 12 dividers; that asymmetry is interesting and remains clocklike. I like Gary's proposal of empty ones filled with color which I'd like to keep. And... I'd like to start the middle XO icon small (e.g. neighborhood view size) and step it up in size with each spinner step; grow in importance as the system builds, until at the end normal size. As for the colors, I'm not sure I like the color pairs... I'd like to try solid colors, moving through the spectrum rainbowlike. Less Sugarish perhaps, but visually stronger might be. Not sure if the initial logo flash is enough, but concerned that keeping it around might fight the spinner ring. Will have a visual tomorrow to show (holiday so I will have some time) thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Re: grey vs. colors in progress: Actually, I have an issue with all-grey... users could worry that colors are not working in the Sugar UI. If we treated the XO in the center in the selected color combination, we would not only address Sean's point, but also act as a signifier of identity. But I take it this is a technical challenge? I do also agree with the point that gray means in progress. A simplified version of the current boot sequence, without the spinning/split XO, would work well I think. I wouldn't overthink the gray dots--they are just status indicators and the more important aspect in this case (in my opinion) is the XO and the radial arrangement that references the ring in Home. Christian I think we should consider colors although I do appreciate the still loading context communicated by grey. I will post a mockup later expressing that approach; grey dots present right from the start (ring power!), filling in with color during progress... the ring approaching colors from grey I would not recommend customizing the splash/progress from within Sugar... boot time is often a tense moment fraught with impatience (especially after a
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Here's the second mockup: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a growing or approaching XO avatar. Comments welcome please. thanks Sean On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant_of_XO_Avatar_Sugar_Boot.2C_Grey_to_Color_Transition I've finally updated the wiki with my first mockup! Sorry about the delay, I lack graphics editing skills I'm afraid. I have attached comment to the mockup. I keep the XO avatar size stable in this first one, I want to try another one with growing size as expressed yesterday. Note: the idea is this follows a previous page with Sugar logo, version info, copyright notice, and distro logo (+ possibility of school logo). I will try to work those into my next mockup. The spectrum colors were cheerfully eyedropped from an image of Ellsworth Kelly's painting Spectrum IV (1967), with the particularity that I thought it interesting to cycle from XO green (mockup green darker than should be, sorry) thanks Sean On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Sean--a visual would be good to fully understand the proposal. I guess my feeling on all of this is that less is more--as Eben said earlier, the boot sequence is really just the set-up for the UI. I'd be happy if we simply did away with the split-XO, but I'm also on-board with adding a bit of color, though I would caution not to overthink it. The reason the Mac OS boot sequence you mention works so well is due to its simplicity. Instead of a face, we have the XO as our emblem--and the circle, while making a reference to connectedness and community, transitions into a core feature of the UI in Home... Either way, looking forward to seeing your mockups! Christian On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I like Gary's most recent one with the dots filling in color I got halfway through a mockup with XO avatars appearing, then Activity icons, but I feel using either will just be too confusing... one could think network discovery was happening, or Activity loading. After much reflection, I think the friendliest greeting we could offer to Learners is a face, a Speakish one with eyes rolling around the ring (and a growing smile) while the colors come on. There are still many people who fell in love with their little Macs because of the smiley face. But... that's outside the Sugar HIG and I would think twice before stepping outside of that. So I reread them and came up with this idea (which I hope to mock up tomorrow): instead of dots, I want to do oblong ovals like a big version of the Activity spinner graphic. I searched high and low on sl.o and laptop.org for an SVG but only found a lo-res PNG :-( so I'll just improvise ovals. What I like about presenting the spinner is: immediate identification of a waiting period, no confusion with other elements (the filled in dots are too similar to networks in the Neighborhood view). Also I like that the spinner has 11, not 12 dividers; that asymmetry is interesting and remains clocklike. I like Gary's proposal of empty ones filled with color which I'd like to keep. And... I'd like to start the middle XO icon small (e.g. neighborhood view size) and step it up in size with each spinner step; grow in importance as the system builds, until at the end normal size. As for the colors, I'm not sure I like the color pairs... I'd like to try solid colors, moving through the spectrum rainbowlike. Less Sugarish perhaps, but visually stronger might be. Not sure if the initial logo flash is enough, but concerned that keeping it around might fight the spinner ring. Will have a visual tomorrow to show (holiday so I will have some time) thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Re: grey vs. colors in progress: Actually, I have an issue with all-grey... users could worry that colors are not working in the Sugar UI. If we treated the XO in the center in the selected color combination, we would not only address Sean's point, but also act as a signifier of identity. But I take it this is a technical challenge? I do also agree with the point that gray means in progress. A simplified version of the current boot sequence, without the spinning/split XO, would work well I think. I wouldn't overthink the gray dots--they are just status indicators and the more important aspect in this case (in my opinion) is the XO and the radial arrangement that references the ring in Home. Christian I think we should consider colors although I do appreciate the still loading context
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
I like Gary's most recent one with the dots filling in color I got halfway through a mockup with XO avatars appearing, then Activity icons, but I feel using either will just be too confusing... one could think network discovery was happening, or Activity loading. After much reflection, I think the friendliest greeting we could offer to Learners is a face, a Speakish one with eyes rolling around the ring (and a growing smile) while the colors come on. There are still many people who fell in love with their little Macs because of the smiley face. But... that's outside the Sugar HIG and I would think twice before stepping outside of that. So I reread them and came up with this idea (which I hope to mock up tomorrow): instead of dots, I want to do oblong ovals like a big version of the Activity spinner graphic. I searched high and low on sl.o and laptop.org for an SVG but only found a lo-res PNG :-( so I'll just improvise ovals. What I like about presenting the spinner is: immediate identification of a waiting period, no confusion with other elements (the filled in dots are too similar to networks in the Neighborhood view). Also I like that the spinner has 11, not 12 dividers; that asymmetry is interesting and remains clocklike. I like Gary's proposal of empty ones filled with color which I'd like to keep. And... I'd like to start the middle XO icon small (e.g. neighborhood view size) and step it up in size with each spinner step; grow in importance as the system builds, until at the end normal size. As for the colors, I'm not sure I like the color pairs... I'd like to try solid colors, moving through the spectrum rainbowlike. Less Sugarish perhaps, but visually stronger might be. Not sure if the initial logo flash is enough, but concerned that keeping it around might fight the spinner ring. Will have a visual tomorrow to show (holiday so I will have some time) thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Re: grey vs. colors in progress: Actually, I have an issue with all-grey... users could worry that colors are not working in the Sugar UI. If we treated the XO in the center in the selected color combination, we would not only address Sean's point, but also act as a signifier of identity. But I take it this is a technical challenge? I do also agree with the point that gray means in progress. A simplified version of the current boot sequence, without the spinning/split XO, would work well I think. I wouldn't overthink the gray dots--they are just status indicators and the more important aspect in this case (in my opinion) is the XO and the radial arrangement that references the ring in Home. Christian I think we should consider colors although I do appreciate the still loading context communicated by grey. I will post a mockup later expressing that approach; grey dots present right from the start (ring power!), filling in with color during progress... the ring approaching colors from grey I would not recommend customizing the splash/progress from within Sugar... boot time is often a tense moment fraught with impatience (especially after a freeze/crash) and predictability in how Sugar usually loads is I think desirable thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 30 May 2009, at 16:36, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: I agree with your points--comments below: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Christian, On 30 May 2009, at 10:17, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: Hi Gary, this looks good, though I wonder about the loss of the XO in the center. The boot sequence was intended to establish the UI, and in many ways the XO does signify the Sugar brand as much (more?) as the logo. Suggestion: Could we not simply show the logo for a few seconds, before transitioning into the current boot sequence? I'd hate to lose the current sequence, I think it works very well, and Eben will attest that much time was spent arriving at where we are today... Yes, agreed, the original boot up is very hard to beat (showing a child as central). Just bouncing ideas about here. My only criticisms of the original would be: 1) not liking the kid icon breaking into a rotating arrow treatment (seems too forced/smart, the whole XO icon is a stronger identity, appearing dots show progress just fine) Yes, I fully agree! A stationary XO icon would be simpler, less forced. 2) seemed odd for the dots to appear from 6 o'clock to 6 o'clock (12 to 12 feels more natural to me) Agree with that, too. Cool. There's a sample animation of the 2 above uploaded. 3) lack of any colour (though this is tough to avoid breaking HIG iconography on colour use) Here, I think it would be best if the XO would have the colors set in the UI... Sebastian is truly, madly,
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Thanks Sean--a visual would be good to fully understand the proposal. I guess my feeling on all of this is that less is more--as Eben said earlier, the boot sequence is really just the set-up for the UI. I'd be happy if we simply did away with the split-XO, but I'm also on-board with adding a bit of color, though I would caution not to overthink it. The reason the Mac OS boot sequence you mention works so well is due to its simplicity. Instead of a face, we have the XO as our emblem--and the circle, while making a reference to connectedness and community, transitions into a core feature of the UI in Home... Either way, looking forward to seeing your mockups! Christian On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I like Gary's most recent one with the dots filling in color I got halfway through a mockup with XO avatars appearing, then Activity icons, but I feel using either will just be too confusing... one could think network discovery was happening, or Activity loading. After much reflection, I think the friendliest greeting we could offer to Learners is a face, a Speakish one with eyes rolling around the ring (and a growing smile) while the colors come on. There are still many people who fell in love with their little Macs because of the smiley face. But... that's outside the Sugar HIG and I would think twice before stepping outside of that. So I reread them and came up with this idea (which I hope to mock up tomorrow): instead of dots, I want to do oblong ovals like a big version of the Activity spinner graphic. I searched high and low on sl.o and laptop.org for an SVG but only found a lo-res PNG :-( so I'll just improvise ovals. What I like about presenting the spinner is: immediate identification of a waiting period, no confusion with other elements (the filled in dots are too similar to networks in the Neighborhood view). Also I like that the spinner has 11, not 12 dividers; that asymmetry is interesting and remains clocklike. I like Gary's proposal of empty ones filled with color which I'd like to keep. And... I'd like to start the middle XO icon small (e.g. neighborhood view size) and step it up in size with each spinner step; grow in importance as the system builds, until at the end normal size. As for the colors, I'm not sure I like the color pairs... I'd like to try solid colors, moving through the spectrum rainbowlike. Less Sugarish perhaps, but visually stronger might be. Not sure if the initial logo flash is enough, but concerned that keeping it around might fight the spinner ring. Will have a visual tomorrow to show (holiday so I will have some time) thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Re: grey vs. colors in progress: Actually, I have an issue with all-grey... users could worry that colors are not working in the Sugar UI. If we treated the XO in the center in the selected color combination, we would not only address Sean's point, but also act as a signifier of identity. But I take it this is a technical challenge? I do also agree with the point that gray means in progress. A simplified version of the current boot sequence, without the spinning/split XO, would work well I think. I wouldn't overthink the gray dots--they are just status indicators and the more important aspect in this case (in my opinion) is the XO and the radial arrangement that references the ring in Home. Christian I think we should consider colors although I do appreciate the still loading context communicated by grey. I will post a mockup later expressing that approach; grey dots present right from the start (ring power!), filling in with color during progress... the ring approaching colors from grey I would not recommend customizing the splash/progress from within Sugar... boot time is often a tense moment fraught with impatience (especially after a freeze/crash) and predictability in how Sugar usually loads is I think desirable thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 30 May 2009, at 16:36, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: I agree with your points--comments below: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Christian, On 30 May 2009, at 10:17, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: Hi Gary, this looks good, though I wonder about the loss of the XO in the center. The boot sequence was intended to establish the UI, and in many ways the XO does signify the Sugar brand as much (more?) as the logo. Suggestion: Could we not simply show the logo for a few seconds, before transitioning into the current boot sequence? I'd hate to lose the current sequence, I think it works very well, and Eben will attest that much time was spent arriving at where we are today... Yes, agreed, the original boot up is
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
wow Gary you were up all night on that Yes by all means back on list I really like the logo cycling through our colors, it's a golden rule of marketing to not change logo colors and we break it with panache (each press release PDF has a different color theme too) i want to mock up with kid avatars around Activity icons I build animated GIFs the old-fashioned imagemagick way: $ convert -delay 20 progress-*.png animation.gif I'll upload something today thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Folks, Just to get a basic, safe, default starting point in there, I've uploaded one simple treatment to: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations Will try to upload a couple more tomorrow. Night, --Gary P.S. Should pull this back on list, your call Sean, but probably worth getting a couple more ideas up so that folks can input to some alternative treatments. On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: Christian, Eben I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, celebrating Sugar interface.iconography and greeting children. I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that consecutively named files will do the trick I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do you guys have any interface assets i could grab? Input greatly appreciated thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we could work on it together? here's my idea like my booth rollup banner mockup which Christian 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the Sugar HIG and iconography. boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous SoaS ... (not sure yet if should be with or without labs) The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but instead of dots, I want XO avatars - kids! In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity icon... matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So kids understand that Activities are for them. And ending with... kids around the Journal! Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring What do you think? thanks Sean P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence for a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements, backing down to the first image I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could inject arbitrary text into a ppm file On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Sean, FYI, this came in off list. Regards, --G Begin forwarded message: From: James Zaki james.z...@gmail.com Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST To: Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or two. I could get them to whip up some concept designs for inspiration? James 2009/5/29 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote: Sebastian, Gary I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea brewing for awhile Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review. --G What's the deadline please? thanks Sean On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi folks, sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. I've been spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in our SoaS Yum repo to reflect the changes for Fedora 11. As it turned out, the plymouth package has been partly rewritten, and I was wondering (also with regard to #709), how we wanted to deal with a new boot screen. For now, I've just implemented the old Sugar logo again, but we might also want to have something more shiny (probably with a progress bar). Some form of progress indicator would be a useful addition. I'm not really that good at art and the Sugar logo thing there was at first nothing more than a quick hack, so it'd would be really great if someone could have a look and work on such a boot screen. I'm happy to give it a look/shot from a graphics point of view if no one else steps forward. So. When did you need it by? OLPC is currently doing the same for their 1.5 software release, which gives us a good possibility to have a look at the file structure: http://www.freedesktop.org/~halfline/olpc.tar.bz2 Please let me know if there's anything I can help with. I'm new to plymouth, but looking at the content of olpc.tar.bz2 it seems simple. My main question is where should I look for the config that describes which images get loaded in what order. Perhaps the names just conform to some hardcoded protocol? How about the
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Well, I'd like to do a mockup of my idea (tonight), post it to the wiki under Gary's, and have feedback from the Design Team about both The splash/progress page is a key moment of a Learner's interaction with Sugar, let's explore its possibilities before finalizing it thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Hi all, this is just great - thanks a lot for working on it so quickly! :) It looks really promising! Let me know if you want me to grab the .png files from somewhere to build a test package... --Sebastian Sean DALY wrote: wow Gary you were up all night on that Yes by all means back on list I really like the logo cycling through our colors, it's a golden rule of marketing to not change logo colors and we break it with panache (each press release PDF has a different color theme too) i want to mock up with kid avatars around Activity icons I build animated GIFs the old-fashioned imagemagick way: $ convert -delay 20 progress-*.png animation.gif I'll upload something today thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Folks, Just to get a basic, safe, default starting point in there, I've uploaded one simple treatment to: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations Will try to upload a couple more tomorrow. Night, --Gary P.S. Should pull this back on list, your call Sean, but probably worth getting a couple more ideas up so that folks can input to some alternative treatments. On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: Christian, Eben I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, celebrating Sugar interface.iconography and greeting children. I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that consecutively named files will do the trick I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do you guys have any interface assets i could grab? Input greatly appreciated thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we could work on it together? here's my idea like my booth rollup banner mockup which Christian 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the Sugar HIG and iconography. boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous SoaS ... (not sure yet if should be with or without labs) The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but instead of dots, I want XO avatars - kids! In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity icon... matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So kids understand that Activities are for them. And ending with... kids around the Journal! Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring What do you think? thanks Sean P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence for a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements, backing down to the first image I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could inject arbitrary text into a ppm file On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Sean, FYI, this came in off list. Regards, --G Begin forwarded message: From: James Zakijames.z...@gmail.com Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST To: Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or two. I could get them to whip up some concept designs for inspiration? James 2009/5/29 Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote: Sebastian, Gary I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea brewing for awhile Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review. --G What's the deadline please? thanks Sean On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi folks, sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. I've been spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in our SoaS Yum repo to reflect the changes for Fedora 11. As it turned out, the plymouth package has been partly rewritten, and I was wondering (also with regard to #709), how we wanted to deal with a new boot screen. For now, I've just implemented the old Sugar logo again, but we might also want to have something more shiny (probably with a progress bar). Some form of progress indicator would be a useful addition. I'm not really that good at art and the Sugar logo thing there was at first nothing more than a quick hack, so it'd would be really great if someone could have a look and work on such a boot screen. I'm happy to give it a look/shot from
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Yeah, this is also something that is relevant and usable across distros, so lets try and make it distro agnostic David On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I'd like to do a mockup of my idea (tonight), post it to the wiki under Gary's, and have feedback from the Design Team about both The splash/progress page is a key moment of a Learner's interaction with Sugar, let's explore its possibilities before finalizing it thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Hi all, this is just great - thanks a lot for working on it so quickly! :) It looks really promising! Let me know if you want me to grab the .png files from somewhere to build a test package... --Sebastian Sean DALY wrote: wow Gary you were up all night on that Yes by all means back on list I really like the logo cycling through our colors, it's a golden rule of marketing to not change logo colors and we break it with panache (each press release PDF has a different color theme too) i want to mock up with kid avatars around Activity icons I build animated GIFs the old-fashioned imagemagick way: $ convert -delay 20 progress-*.png animation.gif I'll upload something today thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Folks, Just to get a basic, safe, default starting point in there, I've uploaded one simple treatment to: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations Will try to upload a couple more tomorrow. Night, --Gary P.S. Should pull this back on list, your call Sean, but probably worth getting a couple more ideas up so that folks can input to some alternative treatments. On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: Christian, Eben I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, celebrating Sugar interface.iconography and greeting children. I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that consecutively named files will do the trick I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do you guys have any interface assets i could grab? Input greatly appreciated thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we could work on it together? here's my idea like my booth rollup banner mockup which Christian 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the Sugar HIG and iconography. boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous SoaS ... (not sure yet if should be with or without labs) The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but instead of dots, I want XO avatars - kids! In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity icon... matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So kids understand that Activities are for them. And ending with... kids around the Journal! Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring What do you think? thanks Sean P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence for a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements, backing down to the first image I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could inject arbitrary text into a ppm file On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Sean, FYI, this came in off list. Regards, --G Begin forwarded message: From: James Zakijames.z...@gmail.com Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST To: Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or two. I could get them to whip up some concept designs for inspiration? James 2009/5/29 Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote: Sebastian, Gary I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea brewing for awhile Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review. --G What's the deadline please? thanks Sean On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi folks, sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. I've been spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in our SoaS Yum repo to reflect the changes for Fedora 11. As it turned out, the plymouth package has been partly rewritten, and I was wondering (also with regard to #709), how we wanted to deal with a new boot screen. For now, I've just implemented the old Sugar logo again, but
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Hi Christian, On 30 May 2009, at 10:17, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: Hi Gary, this looks good, though I wonder about the loss of the XO in the center. The boot sequence was intended to establish the UI, and in many ways the XO does signify the Sugar brand as much (more?) as the logo. Suggestion: Could we not simply show the logo for a few seconds, before transitioning into the current boot sequence? I'd hate to lose the current sequence, I think it works very well, and Eben will attest that much time was spent arriving at where we are today... Yes, agreed, the original boot up is very hard to beat (showing a child as central). Just bouncing ideas about here. My only criticisms of the original would be: 1) not liking the kid icon breaking into a rotating arrow treatment (seems too forced/smart, the whole XO icon is a stronger identity, appearing dots show progress just fine) 2) seemed odd for the dots to appear from 6 o'clock to 6 o'clock (12 to 12 feels more natural to me) 3) lack of any colour (though this is tough to avoid breaking HIG iconography on colour use) Regards, --Gary Christian On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Folks, Just to get a basic, safe, default starting point in there, I've uploaded one simple treatment to: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations Will try to upload a couple more tomorrow. Night, --Gary P.S. Should pull this back on list, your call Sean, but probably worth getting a couple more ideas up so that folks can input to some alternative treatments. On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: Christian, Eben I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, celebrating Sugar interface.iconography and greeting children. I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that consecutively named files will do the trick I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do you guys have any interface assets i could grab? Input greatly appreciated thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we could work on it together? here's my idea like my booth rollup banner mockup which Christian 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the Sugar HIG and iconography. boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous SoaS ... (not sure yet if should be with or without labs) The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but instead of dots, I want XO avatars - kids! In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity icon... matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So kids understand that Activities are for them. And ending with... kids around the Journal! Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring What do you think? thanks Sean P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence for a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements, backing down to the first image I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could inject arbitrary text into a ppm file On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Sean, FYI, this came in off list. Regards, --G Begin forwarded message: From: James Zaki james.z...@gmail.com Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST To: Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or two. I could get them to whip up some concept designs for inspiration? James 2009/5/29 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote: Sebastian, Gary I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea brewing for awhile Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review. --G What's the deadline please? thanks Sean On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi folks, sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. I've been spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in our SoaS Yum repo to reflect the changes for Fedora 11. As it turned out, the plymouth package has been partly rewritten, and I was wondering (also with regard to #709), how we wanted to deal with a new boot screen. For now, I've just implemented the old Sugar logo again, but we might also want to have something more shiny (probably with a progress bar). Some form of progress indicator would be a useful addition. I'm not really that good at art and the Sugar logo thing there was at first nothing more than a quick hack, so it'd would be
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
I agree with your points--comments below: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Christian, On 30 May 2009, at 10:17, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: Hi Gary, this looks good, though I wonder about the loss of the XO in the center. The boot sequence was intended to establish the UI, and in many ways the XO does signify the Sugar brand as much (more?) as the logo. Suggestion: Could we not simply show the logo for a few seconds, before transitioning into the current boot sequence? I'd hate to lose the current sequence, I think it works very well, and Eben will attest that much time was spent arriving at where we are today... Yes, agreed, the original boot up is very hard to beat (showing a child as central). Just bouncing ideas about here. My only criticisms of the original would be: 1) not liking the kid icon breaking into a rotating arrow treatment (seems too forced/smart, the whole XO icon is a stronger identity, appearing dots show progress just fine) Yes, I fully agree! A stationary XO icon would be simpler, less forced. 2) seemed odd for the dots to appear from 6 o'clock to 6 o'clock (12 to 12 feels more natural to me) Agree with that, too. 3) lack of any colour (though this is tough to avoid breaking HIG iconography on colour use) Here, I think it would be best if the XO would have the colors set in the UI... Regards, --Gary Christian On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Folks, Just to get a basic, safe, default starting point in there, I've uploaded one simple treatment to: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations Will try to upload a couple more tomorrow. Night, --Gary P.S. Should pull this back on list, your call Sean, but probably worth getting a couple more ideas up so that folks can input to some alternative treatments. On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: Christian, Eben I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, celebrating Sugar interface.iconography and greeting children. I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that consecutively named files will do the trick I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do you guys have any interface assets i could grab? Input greatly appreciated thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we could work on it together? here's my idea like my booth rollup banner mockup which Christian 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the Sugar HIG and iconography. boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous SoaS ... (not sure yet if should be with or without labs) The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but instead of dots, I want XO avatars - kids! In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity icon... matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So kids understand that Activities are for them. And ending with... kids around the Journal! Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring What do you think? thanks Sean P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence for a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements, backing down to the first image I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could inject arbitrary text into a ppm file On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Sean, FYI, this came in off list. Regards, --G Begin forwarded message: From: James Zaki james.z...@gmail.com Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST To: Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or two. I could get them to whip up some concept designs for inspiration? James 2009/5/29 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote: Sebastian, Gary I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea brewing for awhile Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review. --G What's the deadline please? thanks Sean On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi folks, sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. I've been spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in our SoaS Yum repo to reflect the changes for Fedora 11. As it turned out, the plymouth package has been partly rewritten, and I was wondering (also with regard to #709), how we wanted to deal with a new boot screen. For now, I've just implemented the old Sugar logo again, but we might also want to have
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
On 30 May 2009, at 16:36, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: I agree with your points--comments below: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Christian, On 30 May 2009, at 10:17, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: Hi Gary, this looks good, though I wonder about the loss of the XO in the center. The boot sequence was intended to establish the UI, and in many ways the XO does signify the Sugar brand as much (more?) as the logo. Suggestion: Could we not simply show the logo for a few seconds, before transitioning into the current boot sequence? I'd hate to lose the current sequence, I think it works very well, and Eben will attest that much time was spent arriving at where we are today... Yes, agreed, the original boot up is very hard to beat (showing a child as central). Just bouncing ideas about here. My only criticisms of the original would be: 1) not liking the kid icon breaking into a rotating arrow treatment (seems too forced/smart, the whole XO icon is a stronger identity, appearing dots show progress just fine) Yes, I fully agree! A stationary XO icon would be simpler, less forced. 2) seemed odd for the dots to appear from 6 o'clock to 6 o'clock (12 to 12 feels more natural to me) Agree with that, too. Cool. There's a sample animation of the 2 above uploaded. 3) lack of any colour (though this is tough to avoid breaking HIG iconography on colour use) Here, I think it would be best if the XO would have the colors set in the UI... Sebastian is truly, madly, deeply going to hate you for this suggestion ;-) I do like that use of greys to signify that 'things are not ready yet' so I'm on the fence here. I did try another animation with the dots appearing in the 12 logo fill/outline colours. I did wonder about showing them all as grey from the start, and then lighting up with colour. Regards, --Gary Regards, --Gary Christian On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Folks, Just to get a basic, safe, default starting point in there, I've uploaded one simple treatment to: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations Will try to upload a couple more tomorrow. Night, --Gary P.S. Should pull this back on list, your call Sean, but probably worth getting a couple more ideas up so that folks can input to some alternative treatments. On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: Christian, Eben I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, celebrating Sugar interface.iconography and greeting children. I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that consecutively named files will do the trick I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do you guys have any interface assets i could grab? Input greatly appreciated thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we could work on it together? here's my idea like my booth rollup banner mockup which Christian 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the Sugar HIG and iconography. boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous SoaS ... (not sure yet if should be with or without labs) The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but instead of dots, I want XO avatars - kids! In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity icon... matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So kids understand that Activities are for them. And ending with... kids around the Journal! Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring What do you think? thanks Sean P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence for a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements, backing down to the first image I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could inject arbitrary text into a ppm file On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Sean, FYI, this came in off list. Regards, --G Begin forwarded message: From: James Zaki james.z...@gmail.com Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST To: Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or two. I could get them to whip up some concept designs for inspiration? James 2009/5/29 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote: Sebastian, Gary I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea brewing for awhile Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review. --G What's the deadline please? thanks
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Re: grey vs. colors in progress: Actually, I have an issue with all-grey... users could worry that colors are not working in the Sugar UI. I think we should consider colors although I do appreciate the still loading context communicated by grey. I will post a mockup later expressing that approach; grey dots present right from the start (ring power!), filling in with color during progress... the ring approaching colors from grey I would not recommend customizing the splash/progress from within Sugar... boot time is often a tense moment fraught with impatience (especially after a freeze/crash) and predictability in how Sugar usually loads is I think desirable thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 30 May 2009, at 16:36, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: I agree with your points--comments below: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Christian, On 30 May 2009, at 10:17, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: Hi Gary, this looks good, though I wonder about the loss of the XO in the center. The boot sequence was intended to establish the UI, and in many ways the XO does signify the Sugar brand as much (more?) as the logo. Suggestion: Could we not simply show the logo for a few seconds, before transitioning into the current boot sequence? I'd hate to lose the current sequence, I think it works very well, and Eben will attest that much time was spent arriving at where we are today... Yes, agreed, the original boot up is very hard to beat (showing a child as central). Just bouncing ideas about here. My only criticisms of the original would be: 1) not liking the kid icon breaking into a rotating arrow treatment (seems too forced/smart, the whole XO icon is a stronger identity, appearing dots show progress just fine) Yes, I fully agree! A stationary XO icon would be simpler, less forced. 2) seemed odd for the dots to appear from 6 o'clock to 6 o'clock (12 to 12 feels more natural to me) Agree with that, too. Cool. There's a sample animation of the 2 above uploaded. 3) lack of any colour (though this is tough to avoid breaking HIG iconography on colour use) Here, I think it would be best if the XO would have the colors set in the UI... Sebastian is truly, madly, deeply going to hate you for this suggestion ;-) I do like that use of greys to signify that 'things are not ready yet' so I'm on the fence here. I did try another animation with the dots appearing in the 12 logo fill/outline colours. I did wonder about showing them all as grey from the start, and then lighting up with colour. Regards, --Gary Regards, --Gary Christian On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Folks, Just to get a basic, safe, default starting point in there, I've uploaded one simple treatment to: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations Will try to upload a couple more tomorrow. Night, --Gary P.S. Should pull this back on list, your call Sean, but probably worth getting a couple more ideas up so that folks can input to some alternative treatments. On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: Christian, Eben I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, celebrating Sugar interface.iconography and greeting children. I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that consecutively named files will do the trick I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do you guys have any interface assets i could grab? Input greatly appreciated thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we could work on it together? here's my idea like my booth rollup banner mockup which Christian 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the Sugar HIG and iconography. boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous SoaS ... (not sure yet if should be with or without labs) The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but instead of dots, I want XO avatars - kids! In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity icon... matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So kids understand that Activities are for them. And ending with... kids around the Journal! Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring What do you think? thanks Sean P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence for a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements, backing down to the first image I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could inject arbitrary text into a ppm file On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote:
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Re: grey vs. colors in progress: Actually, I have an issue with all-grey... users could worry that colors are not working in the Sugar UI. Again, the goal here would be to switch to a colored XO as soon as possible. If we can do this earlier in the boot process, we should. I think we should consider colors although I do appreciate the still loading context communicated by grey. Also, my mockup which first shows the Sugar logo, as Christian suggested, would make it clear that the screen is functioning correctly before the gray XO appears. I will post a mockup later expressing that approach; grey dots present right from the start (ring power!), filling in with color during progress... the ring approaching colors from grey I don't feel that the technicolor approach with the dots is actually conveying the right message. The boot sequence is really supposed to be about the XO, and the child's one chosen set of colors. Introducing lots of colors reduces the personalization, I feel. I'd stick to at most one other set of colors, for the logo. I would not recommend customizing the splash/progress from within Sugar... boot time is often a tense moment fraught with impatience (especially after a freeze/crash) and predictability in how Sugar usually loads is I think desirable This wouldn't change the sequence; it would only change the color of the logo, which I don't think would cause confusion. Instead, this would be in keeping with Sugar's identity: just as the logo changes on each page of the website, so too the logo would change for each boot. If we can randomize the logo color, presumably we could also render the XO in proper colors and show that much earlier in the boot sequence. We could also blink from gray to colored (in leu of smooth pulsing), perhaps, though I'd have to see it. It might look awful, especially since the frames aren't all shown for the same duration. Eben thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 30 May 2009, at 16:36, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: I agree with your points--comments below: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Christian, On 30 May 2009, at 10:17, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: Hi Gary, this looks good, though I wonder about the loss of the XO in the center. The boot sequence was intended to establish the UI, and in many ways the XO does signify the Sugar brand as much (more?) as the logo. Suggestion: Could we not simply show the logo for a few seconds, before transitioning into the current boot sequence? I'd hate to lose the current sequence, I think it works very well, and Eben will attest that much time was spent arriving at where we are today... Yes, agreed, the original boot up is very hard to beat (showing a child as central). Just bouncing ideas about here. My only criticisms of the original would be: 1) not liking the kid icon breaking into a rotating arrow treatment (seems too forced/smart, the whole XO icon is a stronger identity, appearing dots show progress just fine) Yes, I fully agree! A stationary XO icon would be simpler, less forced. 2) seemed odd for the dots to appear from 6 o'clock to 6 o'clock (12 to 12 feels more natural to me) Agree with that, too. Cool. There's a sample animation of the 2 above uploaded. 3) lack of any colour (though this is tough to avoid breaking HIG iconography on colour use) Here, I think it would be best if the XO would have the colors set in the UI... Sebastian is truly, madly, deeply going to hate you for this suggestion ;-) I do like that use of greys to signify that 'things are not ready yet' so I'm on the fence here. I did try another animation with the dots appearing in the 12 logo fill/outline colours. I did wonder about showing them all as grey from the start, and then lighting up with colour. Regards, --Gary Regards, --Gary Christian On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Folks, Just to get a basic, safe, default starting point in there, I've uploaded one simple treatment to: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations Will try to upload a couple more tomorrow. Night, --Gary P.S. Should pull this back on list, your call Sean, but probably worth getting a couple more ideas up so that folks can input to some alternative treatments. On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: Christian, Eben I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, celebrating Sugar interface.iconography and greeting children. I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that consecutively named files will do the trick I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do you guys have any interface assets
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:58, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I would not recommend customizing the splash/progress from within Sugar... boot time is often a tense moment fraught with impatience (especially after a freeze/crash) and predictability in how Sugar usually loads is I think desirable I don't think it would be a problem, as long as the customization calls on a regeneration of *static* images to display, rather than creating the images at boot time based on configuration files. This way, there would be no performance penalty. (wrt customization, we should limit it to things like distro logos and the name of the school/lab) Not to clutter it up, but it also might be useful to as well as a visual indicator of the boot mechanism (SoaS vs. local booting vs. helper CD) so as to assist in debugging etc. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 13:07, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: For Sugar, the new Hello World tutorial could be its boot Activities for Learners: Each development tool (Pippy, Turtle Art, Etoys, others, even Forth) should provide an Activity to build the start-up sequence. Learners could play with the tools to build an endless variety of start-up spots, modify and preview from a library of saved sequences, learn all sorts of things about the system, the different tools, and of course, designate one sequence to display on the next boot. The work space is both sufficiently small and necessarily limited, so that robustness could be provided, while at the same time, the content of the sequences is limited only by the imagination. Learners will be able to take pride in a working sequence based on their modifications! I imagine that simple cartoons with embedded, single point or short point lessons, messages, and humor would become popular. Brief jingles would develop a currency like ring tones. And so on, *ad infinitum*! This would be difficult to do in a multi-user system, and even more so to coordinate with implementing a bitfrost security model. Rebooting shouldn't happen that often that the user has to care about customizing it. Ideally, we should get the boot-time down to be short enough that you won't even notice such things, let alone using the time for notifications or board messages! -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
