Re: [IAEP] 2016-2018 Oversight Board

[Laura Vargas]

2016-01-22 15:05 GMT-05:00 James Cameron :

> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 07:01:50AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
> > I have stated my intention to help achieve quality in products and
> > process within the SL project and community.
> >
> > This "translations work flow" example was used to ilustrate the
> > urgent need to draw a line between Executive process (such as
> > raising resources) and Oversight process (such as oversighting
> > budget executions).
> >
> > I believe that in order to achieve  quality in products and process,
> > all projects of all SL active members need to be well formulated,
> > "greenlighted", tested, documented and improved.
>
> Sugar Labs is a voluntary organisation with membership that shifts and
> changes over time.  Members can join at any time, members can leave at
> any time.  Members cannot be compelled to work in the way you
> describe.  The only influence the board can have is to remove barriers
> to projects, and there are very few barriers the board can control.
>
>
The beauty of voluntary work is that you do it because you belive it should
be done.

As a mother and as a teacher, I strongly believe achieving quality in
software we offer to children needs to be done; it is not a choice but a
pedagogical responsability.


I am not a Sugar Labs member because of a conflict of interest.  So
> you don't have to convince me.


:D I would like to convince you to become a SL member (I fail to see any
conflict of interest with a paid technical position from a hardware
supplier). I believe your insights and technical skills are very relevant
to the evolution of SL as a community and as an organization.



> But if I were a member, I'd be puzzled
> as to how you could implement your belief.  It sounds impossible to
> achieve without changing the nature of membership.
>
>
One idea that could easily work, is to design and implement a project
funding mechanism, where member projects can apply to refund according to
progress and expenses.


Best wishes and happy weekend,

Laura Victoria


> --
> James Cameron
> http://quozl.netrek.org/
>



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Re: [IAEP] 2016-2018 Oversight Board

[James Cameron]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 07:01:50AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
> I have stated my intention to help achieve quality in products and
> process within the SL project and community. 
> 
> This "translations work flow" example was used to ilustrate the
> urgent need to draw a line between Executive process (such as
> raising resources) and Oversight process (such as oversighting
> budget executions).
> 
> I believe that in order to achieve  quality in products and process,
> all projects of all SL active members need to be well formulated,
> "greenlighted", tested, documented and improved. 

Sugar Labs is a voluntary organisation with membership that shifts and
changes over time.  Members can join at any time, members can leave at
any time.  Members cannot be compelled to work in the way you
describe.  The only influence the board can have is to remove barriers
to projects, and there are very few barriers the board can control.

I am not a Sugar Labs member because of a conflict of interest.  So
you don't have to convince me.  But if I were a member, I'd be puzzled
as to how you could implement your belief.  It sounds impossible to
achieve without changing the nature of membership.

-- 
James Cameron
http://quozl.netrek.org/
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Re: [IAEP] 2016-2018 Oversight Board

[Laura Vargas]

I have stated my intention to help achieve quality in products and process
within the SL project and community.

This "translations work flow" example was used to ilustrate the urgent need
to draw a line between Executive process (such as raising resources) and
Oversight process (such as oversighting budget executions).

I believe that in order to achieve  quality in products and process, all
projects of all SL active members need to be well formulated,
"greenlighted", tested, documented and improved.
.


2016-01-20 10:16 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :

> (1) I estimated the cost at $1000. Until hewe calculate the number of
> strings, we will not know the price. FWIW, Edgar has done a great job in
> the past for us -- he works quickly and reliably, rare qualities that make
> him well worth the investment in my opinion.
>
>
As I stated, calculated with local rates, US$1000 is equivalent to a
minimun of 600 words.



> (2) Not sure how your list of other languages is relevant. Just because
> there are other languages in addition to Aymara that could benefit from
> translations does not mean we should not continue to support Aymara.
>

It is well known Peru is a multilingual country. On 2015 we team up with
the Peruvian MinEdu to be able to include Awajun, still many other
indigenous cultures/languages are in the rescue/waiting list.

Please find more info here:
http://peru21.pe/actualidad/peru-oficializo-24-lenguas-nativas-promover-inclusion-social-2221116



> (3) I raised money more than two years ago from Trip Advisor to support
> our translation efforts and have repeatedly made requests for translators
> in languages we do not yet cover. Why is it only now that you are speaking
> up about these other languages? Do you have reliable translators lined up?
> If so, please answer my call and make a proposal.
>
>
Please share if there are still funds available for Sugar translations.



> (4) The translation $s are coming from the Trip Advisor grant, money I
> raised specifically for these purposes. The general Sugar Labs fundss are
> not at issue.
>

>From the accounting POV, new Board members will need to have access to
the *Sugar
Labs Financial Documentation* up to December 2015.




> (5) Regarding transparency, we hold public meetings -- as you well know --
> and the opportunity for community members to voice their opinions is well
> established (for example this email thread).
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>

Blessings,
Laura Victoria



> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 4:35 AM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
>
>> This example ilustrates my point. Mr Bender has superior skills for
>> technological education but lacks of know-how in managing resources in such
>> a complex project.
>>
>> According to this meeting log [1] mr Bender is requiring authorization
>> from the board to "hire" a translator to the Aimara Lenguage for a few
>> words for US$1000.
>>
>> The value in the local market for a translation of US$1,000 are at a
>> minimun 600 words.
>>
>> "Down here" we have many users from many lenguages that sould benefit a
>> lot from the translation of Sugar, ie; Asháninca, Aguaruna, Shipibo, etc.
>> Will US$1000 make a diference? well, as you can see it would.
>>
>> To be able to approve such financial requirement, the board would need to
>> consult financial status and documentation such as the *Sugar Labs
>> Balance Sheet* and the specific *Budget for the translation project*.
>>
>> Such documentation and process should be updated on the web and posted
>> publicly in the Mailing List in order to benefit from comunity feedback
>> before approval and execution.
>>
>> I believe separating Executive Director figure from the Board will
>> benefit the overall process by making it easier to document requests and
>> approvals, and specially reducing the overload of work for mr Bender.
>>
>>
>> Best regards and blessings
>> Laura Victoria
>>
>> [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2016-01-11
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2016-01-09 22:27 GMT-05:00 Laura Vargas :
>>
>>> Is not "ridiculous", it is logical.
>>>
>>> The best interests of the Sugar Community is to achieve Quality
>>> management as it is focused not only on product and service quality,
>>> but also on the means to achieve it. Quality management, therefore,
>>> uses quality assurance and control of processes as well as products to
>>> achieve more consistent quality. [1]
>>>
>>> It is been 4 years since our finance page on the wiki was updated [2].
>>>
>>> We have lack of "oversight" and communication on a very sensitive
>>> process, therefore Sugar community is suffering a lot from this bottle neck.
>>>
>>> We won't achieve quality assurance if we don't have control over vital
>>> processes such as Finances.
>>>
>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_management
>>> [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Eng. Laura Victoria
>>>
>>> 2015-12-31 17:08 GMT-05:00 Chris 

Re: [IAEP] 2016-2018 Oversight Board

[Walter Bender]

(1) I estimated the cost at $1000. Until we calculate the number of
strings, we will not know the price. FWIW, Edgar has done a great job in
the past for us -- he works quickly and reliably, rare qualities that make
him well worth the investment in my opinion.

(2) Not sure how your list of other languages is relevant. Just because
there are other languages in addition to Aymara that could benefit from
translations does not mean we should not continue to support Aymara.

(3) I raised money more than two years ago from Trip Advisor to support our
translation efforts and have repeatedly made requests for translators in
languages we do not yet cover. Why is it only now that you are speaking up
about these other languages? Do you have reliable translators lined up? If
so, please answer my call and make a proposal.

(4) The translation $s are coming from the Trip Advisor grant, money I
raised specifically for these purposes. The general Sugar Labs funds are
not at issue.

(5) Regarding transparency, we hold public meetings -- as you well know --
and the opportunity for community members to voice their opinions is well
established (for example this email thread).

regards.

-walter

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 4:35 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> This example ilustrates my point. Mr Bender has superior skills for
> technological education but lacks of know-how in managing resources in such
> a complex project.
>
> According to this meeting log [1] mr Bender is requiring authorization
> from the board to "hire" a translator to the Aimara Lenguage for a few
> words for US$1000.
>
> The value in the local market for a translation of US$1,000 are at a
> minimun 600 words.
>
> "Down here" we have many users from many lenguages that sould benefit a
> lot from the translation of Sugar, ie; Asháninca, Aguaruna, Shipibo, etc.
> Will US$1000 make a diference? well, as you can see it would.
>
> To be able to approve such financial requirement, the board would need to
> consult financial status and documentation such as the *Sugar Labs
> Balance Sheet* and the specific *Budget for the translation project*.
>
> Such documentation and process should be updated on the web and posted
> publicly in the Mailing List in order to benefit from comunity feedback
> before approval and execution.
>
> I believe separating Executive Director figure from the Board will benefit
> the overall process by making it easier to document requests and approvals,
> and specially reducing the overload of work for mr Bender.
>
>
> Best regards and blessings
> Laura Victoria
>
> [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2016-01-11
>
>
>
>
>
> 2016-01-09 22:27 GMT-05:00 Laura Vargas :
>
>> Is not "ridiculous", it is logical.
>>
>> The best interests of the Sugar Community is to achieve Quality
>> management as it is focused not only on product and service quality, but
>> also on the means to achieve it. Quality management, therefore, uses
>> quality assurance and control of processes as well as products to achieve
>> more consistent quality. [1]
>>
>> It is been 4 years since our finance page on the wiki was updated [2].
>>
>> We have lack of "oversight" and communication on a very sensitive
>> process, therefore Sugar community is suffering a lot from this bottle neck.
>>
>> We won't achieve quality assurance if we don't have control over vital
>> processes such as Finances.
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_management
>> [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Eng. Laura Victoria
>>
>> 2015-12-31 17:08 GMT-05:00 Chris Leonard :
>>
>>>  Laura,
>>>
>>> Your proposal is quite ridiculous and has nothing to do with the best
>>> interests of the Sugar community.  This attempt at a power play does
>>> not do you any credit.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Laura Vargas 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hello everybody / Hola a todos
>>> >
>>> > Hope all the holiday wishes come with many blessings for the big Sugar
>>> > family.
>>> >
>>> > 2015 was a great year, many exciting releases! I would like to
>>> congratulate
>>> > and thank you all.
>>> >
>>> > I'm glad we have enthusiastic candidates for the upcoming elections. It
>>> > surely is of our best interest to have good quality software in the
>>> hands
>>> > and heads of our little ones, therefore I believe during the 2016-2018
>>> > period SL should center it's energy on QUALITY.
>>> >
>>> > Quality of process, functionalities, documentation,etc.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > So talking about Quality, one of the first things I would like to
>>> underline
>>> > is that there currently is a deep organizational conflict since there
>>> is an
>>> > Executive Director also serving as an Oversight Board member. I
>>> believe this
>>> > situation is unhealthy and must be avoided if possible.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From our wiki:
>>> >
>>> > "The Executive Director (ED) is responsible 

Re: [IAEP] 2016-2018 Oversight Board

[Laura Vargas]

This example ilustrates my point. Mr Bender has superior skills for
technological education but lacks of know-how in managing resources in such
a complex project.

According to this meeting log [1] mr Bender is requiring authorization from
the board to "hire" a translator to the Aimara Lenguage for a few words for
US$1000.

The value in the local market for a translation of US$1,000 are at a
minimun 600 words.

"Down here" we have many users from many lenguages that sould benefit a lot
from the translation of Sugar, ie; Asháninca, Aguaruna, Shipibo, etc. Will
US$1000 make a diference? well, as you can see it would.

To be able to approve such financial requirement, the board would need to
consult financial status and documentation such as the *Sugar Labs Balance
Sheet* and the specific *Budget for the translation project*.

Such documentation and process should be updated on the web and posted
publicly in the Mailing List in order to benefit from comunity feedback
before approval and execution.

I believe separating Executive Director figure from the Board will benefit
the overall process by making it easier to document requests and approvals,
and specially reducing the overload of work for mr Bender.


Best regards and blessings
Laura Victoria

[1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2016-01-11





2016-01-09 22:27 GMT-05:00 Laura Vargas :

> Is not "ridiculous", it is logical.
>
> The best interests of the Sugar Community is to achieve Quality
> management as it is focused not only on product and service quality, but
> also on the means to achieve it. Quality management, therefore, uses
> quality assurance and control of processes as well as products to achieve
> more consistent quality. [1]
>
> It is been 4 years since our finance page on the wiki was updated [2].
>
> We have lack of "oversight" and communication on a very sensitive process,
> therefore Sugar community is suffering a lot from this bottle neck.
>
> We won't achieve quality assurance if we don't have control over vital
> processes such as Finances.
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_management
> [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance
>
> Best regards,
>
> Eng. Laura Victoria
>
> 2015-12-31 17:08 GMT-05:00 Chris Leonard :
>
>>  Laura,
>>
>> Your proposal is quite ridiculous and has nothing to do with the best
>> interests of the Sugar community.  This attempt at a power play does
>> not do you any credit.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Laura Vargas 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello everybody / Hola a todos
>> >
>> > Hope all the holiday wishes come with many blessings for the big Sugar
>> > family.
>> >
>> > 2015 was a great year, many exciting releases! I would like to
>> congratulate
>> > and thank you all.
>> >
>> > I'm glad we have enthusiastic candidates for the upcoming elections. It
>> > surely is of our best interest to have good quality software in the
>> hands
>> > and heads of our little ones, therefore I believe during the 2016-2018
>> > period SL should center it's energy on QUALITY.
>> >
>> > Quality of process, functionalities, documentation,etc.
>> >
>> >
>> > So talking about Quality, one of the first things I would like to
>> underline
>> > is that there currently is a deep organizational conflict since there
>> is an
>> > Executive Director also serving as an Oversight Board member. I believe
>> this
>> > situation is unhealthy and must be avoided if possible.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From our wiki:
>> >
>> > "The Executive Director (ED) is responsible for the day to day
>> operations of
>> > the foundation and reports directly to the Oversight Board..."
>> >
>> >
>> > 'The current Executive Director is Walter Bender, elected by the during
>> the
>> > 2008-09-19 board meeting."
>> >
>> >
>> > I propose we ask Walter to withdraw his candidacy for the 2016-2018
>> Board
>> > and continue serving as Executive Director for Sugar Labs.
>> >
>> >
>> > Best regards.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Laura V.
>> > I SomosAZUCAR.Org
>> >
>> > Identi.ca/Skype acaire
>> > IRC kaametza
>> >
>> > Happy Learning!
>> >
>> >
>> > ___
>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Laura V.
> I SomosAZUCAR.Org
>
> Identi.ca/Skype acaire
> IRC kaametza
>
> Happy Learning!
>
>


-- 
Laura V.
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IRC kaametza

Happy Learning!
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Re: [IAEP] 2016-2018 Oversight Board

[Laura Vargas]

Is not "ridiculous", it is logical.

The best interests of the Sugar Community is to achieve Quality management
as it is focused not only on product and service quality, but also on the
means to achieve it. Quality management, therefore, uses quality assurance
and control of processes as well as products to achieve more consistent
quality. [1]

It is been 4 years since our finance page on the wiki was updated [2].

We have lack of "oversight" and communication on a very sensitive process,
therefore Sugar community is suffering a lot from this bottle neck.

We won't achieve quality assurance if we don't have control over vital
processes such as Finances.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_management
[2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance

Best regards,

Eng. Laura Victoria

2015-12-31 17:08 GMT-05:00 Chris Leonard :

>  Laura,
>
> Your proposal is quite ridiculous and has nothing to do with the best
> interests of the Sugar community.  This attempt at a power play does
> not do you any credit.
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello everybody / Hola a todos
> >
> > Hope all the holiday wishes come with many blessings for the big Sugar
> > family.
> >
> > 2015 was a great year, many exciting releases! I would like to
> congratulate
> > and thank you all.
> >
> > I'm glad we have enthusiastic candidates for the upcoming elections. It
> > surely is of our best interest to have good quality software in the hands
> > and heads of our little ones, therefore I believe during the 2016-2018
> > period SL should center it's energy on QUALITY.
> >
> > Quality of process, functionalities, documentation,etc.
> >
> >
> > So talking about Quality, one of the first things I would like to
> underline
> > is that there currently is a deep organizational conflict since there is
> an
> > Executive Director also serving as an Oversight Board member. I believe
> this
> > situation is unhealthy and must be avoided if possible.
> >
> >
> >
> > From our wiki:
> >
> > "The Executive Director (ED) is responsible for the day to day
> operations of
> > the foundation and reports directly to the Oversight Board..."
> >
> >
> > 'The current Executive Director is Walter Bender, elected by the during
> the
> > 2008-09-19 board meeting."
> >
> >
> > I propose we ask Walter to withdraw his candidacy for the 2016-2018 Board
> > and continue serving as Executive Director for Sugar Labs.
> >
> >
> > Best regards.
> >
> > --
> > Laura V.
> > I SomosAZUCAR.Org
> >
> > Identi.ca/Skype acaire
> > IRC kaametza
> >
> > Happy Learning!
> >
> >
> > ___
> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>



-- 
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IRC kaametza

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Re: [IAEP] 2016-2018 Oversight Board

[Chris Leonard]

 Laura,

Your proposal is quite ridiculous and has nothing to do with the best
interests of the Sugar community.  This attempt at a power play does
not do you any credit.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>
>
> Hello everybody / Hola a todos
>
> Hope all the holiday wishes come with many blessings for the big Sugar
> family.
>
> 2015 was a great year, many exciting releases! I would like to congratulate
> and thank you all.
>
> I'm glad we have enthusiastic candidates for the upcoming elections. It
> surely is of our best interest to have good quality software in the hands
> and heads of our little ones, therefore I believe during the 2016-2018
> period SL should center it's energy on QUALITY.
>
> Quality of process, functionalities, documentation,etc.
>
>
> So talking about Quality, one of the first things I would like to underline
> is that there currently is a deep organizational conflict since there is an
> Executive Director also serving as an Oversight Board member. I believe this
> situation is unhealthy and must be avoided if possible.
>
>
>
> From our wiki:
>
> "The Executive Director (ED) is responsible for the day to day operations of
> the foundation and reports directly to the Oversight Board..."
>
>
> 'The current Executive Director is Walter Bender, elected by the during the
> 2008-09-19 board meeting."
>
>
> I propose we ask Walter to withdraw his candidacy for the 2016-2018 Board
> and continue serving as Executive Director for Sugar Labs.
>
>
> Best regards.
>
> --
> Laura V.
> I SomosAZUCAR.Org
>
> Identi.ca/Skype acaire
> IRC kaametza
>
> Happy Learning!
>
>
> ___
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
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Re: [IAEP] 2016-2018 Oversight Board

[Dan Tenason]

>Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:59 PM +08:00 from Laura Vargas 
>:
>
>
>d
>Hello everybody / Hola a todos
>
>Hope all the holiday wishes come with many blessings for the big Sugar family. 
>
>2015 was a great year, many exciting releases! I would like to congratulate 
>and thank you all.
>
>I'm glad we have enthusiastic candidates for the upcoming elections.  It 
>surely is of our best interest to have good quality software in the hands and 
>heads of our little ones, therefore I believe during the  2016-2018 period SL 
>should center it's energy on QUALITY.
>Quality of process, functionalities, documentation,etc.
>
>So talking about Quality, one of the first things I would like to underline is 
>that there currently is a deep organizational conflict since there is an 
>Executive Director also serving as an Oversight Board member. I believe this 
>situation is unhealthy and must be avoided if possible.
How does Mr Bender having two roles causes quality problems for Sugar and Sugar 
Labs? How would Mr Bender's absence from the Board while retaining the title of 
Executive Directory improve the situation for the various stakeholders?

This is effectively a statement of no confidence in Mr. Bender's Leadership. 
Until one has the data to support the proposal, it is going to to be hard to 
make such an emotionally charged change. There is a reason the board is 
colloquially know as "Friends of Walter."

Dan

>From our wiki:
>"The Executive Director (ED) is responsible for the day to day operations of 
>the foundation and reports directly to the  Oversight Board ..."
>
>'The current Executive Director is  Walter Bender , elected by the during the  
>2008-09-19 board meeting ." 
>
>I propose we ask Walter to withdraw his candidacy for the 2016-2018 Board and 
>continue serving as Executive Director for Sugar Labs.
>
>Best regards. -- 
>Laura V.
>I SomosAZUCAR.Org
>
>Identi.ca/Skype acaire
>IRC kaametza
>
>Happy Learning!
>
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Re: [IAEP] 2016-2018 Oversight Board

[James Cameron]

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 10:59:03PM +0800, Laura Vargas wrote:
> ... a deep organizational conflict since there is an Executive
> Director also serving as an Oversight Board member. I believe this
> situation is unhealthy and must be avoided if possible.

I disagree.  This is handled as a conflict of interest; Walter
excludes himself from votes concerning him.

The new board will be responsible for making any new decision about
this.

--

Disclosure: I'm not a member of Sugar Labs, by my choice, because of a
conflict of interest; my pay is from an organisation that benefits
from the Sugar software.

-- 
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Re: [IAEP] 2016-2018 Oversight Board

[Nick Doiron]

Can we avoid using these lists to tell people how to vote, except via
candidate statements. It'll be much more constructive.

The list of voting members is public. You can find your friends there.

PS don't reply to me/everyone about this as I'm not voting and muting the
rest of this thread.

Nick Doiron
On Dec 30, 2015 12:31 AM, "Dan Tenason"  wrote:

>
>
>
> Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:59 PM +08:00 from Laura Vargas <
> la...@somosazucar.org>:
>
>
> d
> Hello everybody / Hola a todos
>
> Hope all the holiday wishes come with many blessings for the big Sugar
> family.
>
> 2015 was a great year, many exciting releases! I would like to
> congratulate and thank you all.
>
> I'm glad we have enthusiastic candidates for the upcoming elections. It
> surely is of our best interest to have good quality software in the hands
> and heads of our little ones, therefore I believe during the 2016-2018
> period SL should center it's energy on QUALITY.
>
> Quality of process, functionalities, documentation,etc.
>
>
> So talking about Quality, one of the first things I would like to
> underline is that there currently is a deep organizational conflict since
> there is an Executive Director also serving as an Oversight Board member. I
> believe this situation is unhealthy and must be avoided if possible.
>
>
> How does Mr Bender having two roles causes quality problems for Sugar and
> Sugar Labs? How would Mr Bender's absence from the Board while retaining
> the title of Executive Directory improve the situation for the various
> stakeholders?
>
> This is effectively a statement of no confidence in Mr. Bender's
> Leadership. Until one has the data to support the proposal, it is going to
> to be hard to make such an emotionally charged change. There is a reason
> the board is colloquially know as "Friends of Walter."
>
> Dan
>
> From our wiki:
>
> "The Executive Director (ED) is responsible for the day to day operations
> of the foundation and reports directly to the Oversight Board
> ..."
>
> 'The current Executive Director is Walter Bender
> , elected by the during the 
> 2008-09-19
> board meeting
> ."
>
>
> I propose we ask Walter to withdraw his candidacy for the 2016-2018 Board
> and continue serving as Executive Director for Sugar Labs.
>
>
> Best regards.
> --
> Laura V.
> I SomosAZUCAR.Org
>
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> IRC kaametza
>
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Re: [IAEP] 2016-2018 Oversight Board

[Dan Tenason]

 Wednesday, December 30, 2015 3:10 AM +05:30 from Nick Doiron < 
ndoi...@mapmeld.com >:
>
>Can we avoid using these lists to tell people how to vote, except via 
>candidate statements. It'll be much more constructive.
>The list of voting members is public. You can find your friends there.
+1 Learning is most effective when communication flows from the top down and 
discussions are divided into groups of like minded individuals.  Wait, that 
doesn't seem right.

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