Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed
> #IDesignATSugarLabs > #WeCanDoBetter > > References: > > [1] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [2] mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com > [3] mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com > [4] mailto:h...@laptop.org > [5] mailto:lionel.la...@gmail.com > [6] mailto:tabi...@tabitha.net.nz > [7] mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com > [8] mailto:account...@sfconservancy.org > [9] mailto:su...@sfconservancy.org > [10] mailto:g...@sfconservancy.org > [11] mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com > [12] mailto:su...@sfconservancy.org > [13] https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/ > [14] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [15] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [16] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [17] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > [18] mailto:sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [19] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > [20] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [21] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > [22] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [23] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > [24] mailto:sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [25] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > [26] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [27] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [28] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [29] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Scratch 3.0 on Sugar
No, I didn't know you weren't granted a visa. Thanks for asking the question. An updated Scratch in Sugar would be helpful to Sugar users. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] motion for a new mission statement
I'm fine with that mission too. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] motion for a new mission statement
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 05:10:36PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote: > Hey, I think we are making progress! I appreciate your loyalty to > your employer. > > Thanks for clarifying that when I installed Sugar (sucrose) on > Ubuntu I was installing the Debian package. > > My problem with SOAS is this page; > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation. It > starts out by requiring the user to install Fedora to set up the > livecd tools. (a) yes, it's not the best guidance, (b) it's a Wiki, so you are also responsible for editing it. > The pages for Debian, Ubuntu, and Fedora are much improved. The > Debian on RPi3 needs an update. Oh, wow, thanks, I wasn't aware of Debian_on_rpi3; what a useless page of links. I've replaced it with a redirect to the current Raspbian page. But I'm not your Wiki editing slave, get working on it yourself. > Visitors to the sugarlabs site would > appreciate a succinct and current list of supported software (as you > do at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Releases), the 'Supported Systems' > page was last touched in 2012. No, you've missed that it includes the Supported distributions page, which is updated regularly. MediaWiki software has shown you the 2012 change date of the outer page, not the inner page. You also missed that it shows Ubuntu 17.04 and Sugar 0.110, both of which are post-2012. > I find dd to be a simple, no fuss, no muss way to make the usb > stick. dd is also a quick way to destroy data on a disk. > However, the web page could point to gui tools. If you mean the http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation page, yes. Fedora SoaS Desktop links to documentation from Fedora; https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Burning_ISO_images_to_disc/ and does point to good tool choices, though it was last updated for Fedora 20 and is dated 2013. Sugar Labs Wiki documentation is more ad-hoc, a mix of old and new, from mainly the perspective of Thomas and Frederick; and recommends a different method to Fedora. It was updated in late 2016. > The real goal is to promote the idea that Sugar is available to > non-technical visitors for them to install on their own computer. I'm looking forward to Sugar being available to non-technical visitors for them to install on their own computer ... but I haven't seen that happen yet. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Today's meeting topic: Financial report first quarter 2017 by mail
G'day Adam, I've a degree in business, which included accounting, and have recently completed extra training on governance, so I'll comment on what I've seen; in context below; On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 05:03:06PM -0400, Adam Holt wrote: > 1) Detailed Sugar Labs financial info is provided for the entirety > of 2016 and 2017-to-date below. Interesting, thanks. I've no issues with the numbers or transactions. > The entirety of Sugar Labs financial info is almost 1/3 of gigabyte > as checked out from SFC, Quite a small data set, at only 333 MB. > so more details can be obtained later this year should finer details > be truly necessary, with a finer-toothed comb, Looking through the meeting minutes, you probably don't need to worry so much about this; the board members are entitled to full access to the data, read-only, and are obliged to keep the data as secure as posssible. Yes, it will include private identifiable information (PII) of Sugar Labs members or other participants. In dealing with Sugar Labs, people expect the board may see this PII. Not every board member will access the data, or have the knowledge to decode and understand the data. But they are entitled to it. Here's what I suggest; Don't make it available by posting a URL to any mailing list, not even slobs@, but instead send it privately to board members who request it, and include a way for board members to confirm they have the same copy of the file as other board members. e.g. with a digital signature or md5sum that you post on the slobs@ mailing list. > to de-identify personal home address and very personal account > numbers therein, which make everyone vulnerable to identify theft. No, that is not necessary; as long as the board members know the data must be kept confidential to the board. > Until then, this below provides a very detailed picture of all funds > received and spent over the past 19 months. This and your follow-up messages on this thread could be pulled together into a single report to the board rather than a series of messages. It would make your intent clearer. A report to community may be different to a report to the board, containing less identifying information. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Multilingual Updated Image 4 South América
What operating system as basis? Will this image be open source during development? We have had several deployments make their own images silently and community has lost potential shared advantage. https://quozl.linux.org.au/tonality/2005-04-03.ogg ;-) On Sun, Aug 06, 2017 at 11:00:16PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > Hello Dear Community! > > For September's SLOB's meeting I would be proposing a budget to Finnish the > Guarani translation (~50%) and produce an updated XO image for South America > that includes them. Of course the image can also include other native relevant > languages that are already complete like Quechua and Aimara. > > I believe the image can be produced in an horizon of 6 months with me > articulating 1 translator and 1 developer. > > Thanks in advance for all feedback that will help shape and upgrade the > proposal. > > Regards, blessings and some Guaraní music to enjoy: > Ñande Reko Arandu - (2000) Memória Viva Guarani > > -- > Laura V. > I SomosAZUCAR.Org > > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” > ~ Laura Victoria > > Happy Learning! > #LearningByDoing > #Projects4good > #IDesignATSugarLabs -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [wiki bug] Roadmap Sugar Labs - Ambiguity detected on how to make Decisions
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:07:00AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > 2017-05-10 17:27 GMT-05:00 James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org>: > > On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 08:20:22AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > > Thank you both for your interest and suggestions. > > > > I will research on the "consent agenda mechanism". Hope other > > board members will also research. Clearly we have much to > > learn. > > > > In the meanwhile, and if there are no objections in a couple > > of days, I will replace the text in the decisions page of the > > wiki, from: > > > > "Due to confusion about Sugar Labs governance, during 2016 > > several members of the project not on the SLOB posted motions, > > but these were not seconded, and have been struck out to show > > they were considered by some SLOB members are invalid." > > [...] > > I agree this paragraph can be removed; if some explanation of > "struck out" is added instead. Which your suggested text below > does not do. I've added back an explanation of the "struck out" text. > > To > > > > "We welcome non-member proposals at the time of a meeting; but > > they require both a proposer and seconder from among the > > members of the board. > > I disagree with the wording. Instead, use the text of agreed > motion 2016-42. > > Done. Couldn't see that done. I've added the text of the motion at the start of the page. > [...] > >From what I have seen, both in the minutes and the public mail > lists, the chair is doing a reasonable job already, but the > board members and visiting community don't have an appreciation > of the procedure and the chair. > > For instance, in the most recent meeting Caryl said "I believe > any Sugar-Labs member can make a motion for consieration by the > SLOB" and "Actually, all Sugar Labs members have been able to > make motions. I have done it before as have others who were not > members of SLOB". > > Caryl's behavior has been contradictory. Not only she attended the > meeting where motion 2016-42 was approved, but she also sponsored > the decision: > > "GrannieB2 just contact a SLOB member and get them to > present your motion" > > As you know, the procedure had been changed and made clearer in > agreed motion 2016-42. > > Yet nobody responded to Caryl to say that the procedure had > changed. > > I don't understand why. The motion about motions was presented by > Walter and it had 7 votes on favor so it was supposed to be clear. Board members are jointly and severally responsible for their actions; that means they are responsible as a whole and individually. Your saying it was supposed to be clear is an admission of that responsibility, and makes me and other onlookers think "in communicating their meeting procedure, the board members have not done as well as they could have done." An opportunity to improve. Yes, it's on the Wiki, but few people are engaged in the Wiki. Yes, it was in a previous meeting, but almost a year ago. Let's assume good faith and take a charitable view, and reinterpret; Caryl was mixing terms (motion, suggestion, proposal); and your interpretation may have been challenged by your experience with other languages. For instance, "I believe any Sugar-Labs member can make a motion for consieration by the SLOB" should have been interpreted as "suggestion for a motion", ... the key to that interpretation is the word consideration, by which Caryl says the board is still responsible for the motion. and "Actually, all Sugar Labs members have been able to make motions. I have done it before as have others who were not members of SLOB" should also have been interpreted as "suggestion for a motion". So this is a miscommunication, and it was not handled well at the time of the meeting. > As you know, there is ambiguity about definition of "motion", > "suggestion", and "proposal". > > Yet again, nobody responded to clarify this ambiguity. > > [...] > > p.s. in my opinion, agreed motion 2016-42 might have used "must" > instead of "should". As it stands, there is a tiny bit of ambiguity. > > Agree. > > > -- > > p.p.s. agreed motion 2016-42 is listed in the minutes of the > 2016-07-01 meeting but not in the decisions; a different motion is > listed instead. > > https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2016-07-01 &g
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?
Thanks. Are you using 13.2.8? The Fedora repositories for Fedora 18 moved, and this was fixed in 13.2.8, see here; http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.2.7#Fedora_Repositories_Missing If you are using 13.2.7 or earlier, please use the workaround on that page. I've just tested "sudo yum install vlc" on XO-1.5 with 13.2.8 and no problem seen, just "No package vlc available.", so I'm not sure how your system is configured; if the above workaround does not fix, please show me your changed yum.repos.d files. On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 08:48:54PM +0100, Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote: > Hey James, since you're still maintaining fedora18, "sudo yum vlc" - any > activity- returns this error "Error cannot retrieve metalink for repository > fedora18/i386" , editing the *fedora.repo files in /etc/yum.repos.d/ and > changing > all "https" to "http" solves the problem. > > Ibiam Chihurumnaya > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 1:58 AM, James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote: > > Composite reply to several posts, in context, see below; > > Samson wrote: > > I think we should really join the trend so that we can get more > > people using Sugar for Learning. So what are your thought on this > > development? > > I don't think it will work, as we don't have developers interested in > it. If you're interested in it and are happy to commit fully without > relying on others, go for it. But don't expect other resources to get > involved; as the argument from numbers is not compelling enough. > > There are more learning tools available for Windows. > > But the numbers are not the only reason why our customers choose > Linux. > > Sebastian wrote: > > Sugar barely runs [...] > > Yes, you're right. > > > committed releasing Sugar every six months [...] we have no release > > schedule. > > Yes, you're right. > > A new release of Sugar with the bug fixes since 0.110 would help solve > the "barely runs" problem. > > (also a release of the critical activities, not just the core; > newcomers to our community should note the term Sucrose has been in > our Taxonomy for many years, see the Wiki if you don't know what it > means.) > > [2]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy > [3]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Glossary > > > I don't see Sugar Labs organization as capable of strategically > > funding Sugar development in any direction. Of course, volunteers > > can work in whatever they like, if it fits their principles. > > I agree, and that's the basis of my engagement; subject to also > stabilising Sugar for OLPC OS on Fedora 18 and Ubuntu 16.04 for > delivery to OLPC customers; as a custom system with all obvious (to > me) bugs fixed. > > Sugar Labs is heavily benefiting from my work for OLPC, and OLPC is > benefiting from other volunteers at Sugar Labs. > > Dave wrote: > > codebase could be returned to OLPC > > No thanks. Where would the Sugar Labs volunteers go who are focused > on this codebase? > > OLPC already maintains a fork with the fixes, and the changes that > Sugar Labs has not accepted. All fixes have been pushed back to Sugar > Labs, but there has been no release, hence the exceedingly low quality > of the Fedora, Debian and Ubuntu experience at the moment. > > OLPC fork version numbers are like 0.110.0.olpc.12 > > > Sugar Labs could focus on the JS Sugarizer codebase. > > Sugarizer isn't integrated into Sugar Labs; the repositories are > split, cooperation is minimal, and the code for activities isn't > portable to execution environments other than Sugarizer; such as > sugar-web-activity. > > So I'm certainly not inclined to support any activity development on > Sugarizer; because that development won't pay back for OLPC. > > I'm probably going to have to port the Moon activity from GTK+ 2 to > GTK+ 3 unless someone can make the JavaScript version work on desktop. > ;-) I did get half way through. > > Zeeshan Khan also has the task for GsoC, so we might do it together. > > I'd like to hear from Ignacio, Sam Parkinson and Abhijit what they > think of the port of Moon vs the JavaScript port; it may be simpler to > port the JavaScript version back to Sugar. > > Samuel Cantero wrote: > > We should work to find out a new release manager [...] > > Ignacio is the release manager at the moment, but my guess is that > he'd welcome someone else ta
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?
Yes, that's why I asked. Installing VLC doesn't work out of the box with 13.2.8, and there are different ways it could be done. I don't know what Ibiam did. I need to know before I can reproduce. On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:33:27PM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote: > $> su - > #> yum localinstall --nogpgcheck > https://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-$(rpm -E > %fedora).noarch.rpm > #> yum install vlc > #> yum install python-vlc npapi-vlc (optionals) > > Can help, yum install vlc will not work until you use this. At least that how > i > got it working. > > Samson > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 9:58 PM, James Cameron <[2]qu...@laptop.org> wrote: > > Thanks. Are you using 13.2.8? > > The Fedora repositories for Fedora 18 moved, and this was fixed in > 13.2.8, see here; > > [3]http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.2.7#Fedora_ > Repositories_Missing > > If you are using 13.2.7 or earlier, please use the workaround on that > page. > > I've just tested "sudo yum install vlc" on XO-1.5 with 13.2.8 and no > problem seen, just "No package vlc available.", so I'm not sure how > your system is configured; if the above workaround does not fix, > please show me your changed yum.repos.d files. > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 08:48:54PM +0100, Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote: > > Hey James, since you're still maintaining fedora18, "sudo yum vlc" - any > > activity- returns this error "Error cannot retrieve metalink for > repository > > fedora18/i386" , editing the *fedora.repo files in /etc/yum.repos.d/ and > > changing > > all "https" to "http" solves the problem. > > > > Ibiam Chihurumnaya > > > > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 1:58 AM, James Cameron <[1][4]qu...@laptop.org> > wrote: > > > > Composite reply to several posts, in context, see below; > > > > Samson wrote: > > > I think we should really join the trend so that we can get more > > > people using Sugar for Learning. So what are your thought on this > > > development? > > > > I don't think it will work, as we don't have developers interested > in > > it. If you're interested in it and are happy to commit fully > without > > relying on others, go for it. But don't expect other resources to > get > > involved; as the argument from numbers is not compelling enough. > > > > There are more learning tools available for Windows. > > > > But the numbers are not the only reason why our customers choose > > Linux. > > > > Sebastian wrote: > > > Sugar barely runs [...] > > > > Yes, you're right. > > > > > committed releasing Sugar every six months [...] we have no > release > > > schedule. > > > > Yes, you're right. > > > > A new release of Sugar with the bug fixes since 0.110 would help > solve > > the "barely runs" problem. > > > > (also a release of the critical activities, not just the core; > > newcomers to our community should note the term Sucrose has been in > > our Taxonomy for many years, see the Wiki if you don't know what it > > means.) > > > > [2][5]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy > > [3][6]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Glossary > > > > > I don't see Sugar Labs organization as capable of strategically > > > funding Sugar development in any direction. Of course, volunteers > > > can work in whatever they like, if it fits their principles. > > > > I agree, and that's the basis of my engagement; subject to also > > stabilising Sugar for OLPC OS on Fedora 18 and Ubuntu 16.04 for > > delivery to OLPC customers; as a custom system with all obvious (to > > me) bugs fixed. > > > > Sugar Labs is heavily benefiting from my work for OLPC, and OLPC is > > benefiting from other volunteers at Sugar Labs. > > > > Dave wrote: > > > codebase could be returned to OLPC > > > > No thanks. Where would the Sugar Labs volunteers go who are focused > > on this codebase? > > > > OLPC already maintains a fork with the fi
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?
Composite reply to several posts, in context, see below; Samson wrote: > I think we should really join the trend so that we can get more > people using Sugar for Learning. So what are your thought on this > development? I don't think it will work, as we don't have developers interested in it. If you're interested in it and are happy to commit fully without relying on others, go for it. But don't expect other resources to get involved; as the argument from numbers is not compelling enough. There are more learning tools available for Windows. But the numbers are not the only reason why our customers choose Linux. Sebastian wrote: > Sugar barely runs [...] Yes, you're right. > committed releasing Sugar every six months [...] we have no release > schedule. Yes, you're right. A new release of Sugar with the bug fixes since 0.110 would help solve the "barely runs" problem. (also a release of the critical activities, not just the core; newcomers to our community should note the term Sucrose has been in our Taxonomy for many years, see the Wiki if you don't know what it means.) https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Glossary > I don't see Sugar Labs organization as capable of strategically > funding Sugar development in any direction. Of course, volunteers > can work in whatever they like, if it fits their principles. I agree, and that's the basis of my engagement; subject to also stabilising Sugar for OLPC OS on Fedora 18 and Ubuntu 16.04 for delivery to OLPC customers; as a custom system with all obvious (to me) bugs fixed. Sugar Labs is heavily benefiting from my work for OLPC, and OLPC is benefiting from other volunteers at Sugar Labs. Dave wrote: > codebase could be returned to OLPC No thanks. Where would the Sugar Labs volunteers go who are focused on this codebase? OLPC already maintains a fork with the fixes, and the changes that Sugar Labs has not accepted. All fixes have been pushed back to Sugar Labs, but there has been no release, hence the exceedingly low quality of the Fedora, Debian and Ubuntu experience at the moment. OLPC fork version numbers are like 0.110.0.olpc.12 > Sugar Labs could focus on the JS Sugarizer codebase. Sugarizer isn't integrated into Sugar Labs; the repositories are split, cooperation is minimal, and the code for activities isn't portable to execution environments other than Sugarizer; such as sugar-web-activity. So I'm certainly not inclined to support any activity development on Sugarizer; because that development won't pay back for OLPC. I'm probably going to have to port the Moon activity from GTK+ 2 to GTK+ 3 unless someone can make the JavaScript version work on desktop. ;-) I did get half way through. Zeeshan Khan also has the task for GsoC, so we might do it together. I'd like to hear from Ignacio, Sam Parkinson and Abhijit what they think of the port of Moon vs the JavaScript port; it may be simpler to port the JavaScript version back to Sugar. Samuel Cantero wrote: > We should work to find out a new release manager [...] Ignacio is the release manager at the moment, but my guess is that he'd welcome someone else taking the job. Hopefully he'll speak up. Dave wrote: > Do those xo run the latest release? For mass deployment in Paraguay, they can run Sugar 0.110 plus all bug fixes from OLPC by using our 13.2.8 as-is or by using it as basis of custom build. For individuals in Paraguay, they might run "yum update" to get Sugar 0.110 plus fixes, unless there's some problem with clock, proxy, or yum.repos.d induced by environment of my bugs. Samuel Cantero wrote: > we're going to try to build a new ASLO in GSoC which must ease > activities management, for both image builders and developers. Please also consider Sugar Network, which Sebastian knows about, and is used heavily, judging by the hit counts on the Sugar Labs servers. Laura recently asked asking Sugar Labs for assistance with Sugar Network and bringing a new deployment onto it may be helpful. German wrote: > At Dominican Republic, ~750 XO are running latest version of Sugar. Good to get such positive feedback! ;-) -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [wiki bug] Roadmap Sugar Labs - Ambiguity detected on how to make Decisions
On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 08:20:22AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > Thank you both for your interest and suggestions. > > I will research on the "consent agenda mechanism". Hope other board > members will also research. Clearly we have much to learn. > > In the meanwhile, and if there are no objections in a couple of > days, I will replace the text in the decisions page of the wiki, > from: > > "Due to confusion about Sugar Labs governance, during 2016 several > members of the project not on the SLOB posted motions, but these > were not seconded, and have been struck out to show they were > considered by some SLOB members are invalid." This text was from Dave Crossland just after agreed motion 2016-42, and was in support of his other edits at the same time that changed several recorded "failed motions" into "member motions" with strike-out. Agreed motion 2016-42 says "While suggestions for motions can come from anyone in the community, motions should be made by Sugar Labs oversight board members." and was made at the 2016-07-01 meeting. Changes made by Dave on this date help to show that the motions were not failed, but rather they were not proposed by any board member. I agree this paragraph can be removed; if some explanation of "struck out" is added instead. Which your suggested text below does not do. > To > > "We welcome non-member proposals at the time of a meeting; but they > require both a proposer and seconder from among the members of the > board. I disagree with the wording. Instead, use the text of agreed motion 2016-42. > The meeting chairperson has the duty to making it clear when a > motion is proposed, and who proposed it, making it clear when a > motion is seconded, not allowing talk on a motion until it is > seconded, not allowing a change to the motion unless the change is > both proposed and seconded, initiation, education and preparation of > the board members." I don't think this is necessary, and is an imposition on the chair. It is also the wrong place to define meeting practices; this page is a list of decisions. > I hope this sounds reasonable. No, it doesn't sound reasonable. On the one hand, I'll presume there have been private discussions that I'm not a party to, so the following should be taken in light of that. From what I have seen, both in the minutes and the public mail lists, the chair is doing a reasonable job already, but the board members and visiting community don't have an appreciation of the procedure and the chair. For instance, in the most recent meeting Caryl said "I believe any Sugar-Labs member can make a motion for consieration by the SLOB" and "Actually, all Sugar Labs members have been able to make motions. I have done it before as have others who were not members of SLOB". As you know, the procedure had been changed and made clearer in agreed motion 2016-42. Yet nobody responded to Caryl to say that the procedure had changed. As you know, there is ambiguity about definition of "motion", "suggestion", and "proposal". Yet again, nobody responded to clarify this ambiguity. While I could go into a blow-by-blow account of the meeting, it would be ineffective. Editing the Wiki as you have suggested will be equally ineffective; because as far as I can see the people who were at the meeting had not read the Wiki and had insufficient knowledge of previous decisions and procedure. As D. Joe recently reminded us when describing "consent agenda", there are steps in any meeting procedure that reveal bad faith, but we should hope and assume that the board members are acting in good faith; so what we have left is inadequate preparation and knowledge of procedure. Another reason for not using the Wiki for this; many of those at the meeting are not active Wiki participants; no recent edits or discussion. -- p.s. in my opinion, agreed motion 2016-42 might have used "must" instead of "should". As it stands, there is a tiny bit of ambiguity. -- p.p.s. agreed motion 2016-42 is listed in the minutes of the 2016-07-01 meeting but not in the decisions; a different motion is listed instead. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2016-07-01 https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2016-07-01 -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [wiki bug] Roadmap Sugar Labs - Ambiguity detected on how to make Decisions
On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 11:14:45PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > > 2017-05-08 15:20 GMT-05:00 James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org>: > > On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 06:28:00AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > > 2017-05-07 21:59 GMT-05:00 James Cameron <[1][2]qu...@laptop.org>: > > > Please instead build trust. > > > > Interesting point of view. Still, please elaborate in this > > suggestion. How to achieve this? > > As there is only one board member asking this question, I'm inclined > to be brief. > > Making "decision making process" understandable and friendly should > be relevant not only to current board members but also to everyone > in the community. > > > ;-) I don't feel I will be heard. > > Your opinion is very relevant for our community. No doubt about relevance, but conflicting opinion may reinforce errant behaviour rather than improve a situation. The rebound effect. I have seen no other interest than what you have expressed. > I ask board members to be more intentional. To decide on their > own individual behalf to resolve conflicts and build consensus. To > communicate more frequently, either privately between individuals, > privately within the board, or publically. To track and measure how > their communication is received. > > This suggestion is really interesting. > > > > To identify conflict and reveal it. > To try different communication media to resolve conflict. > > It isn't easy. > > > It's sounds like the chair has the largest role on making procedures > > work... > > That's up to the board. > > It may be helpful for the board to select a meeting chairperson. > > "But we already have Walter!" is an anticipated response; but it isn't > obvious from the outside reading of logs or Wiki that everyone thinks > this, or knows what a chair does. > > Maybe, we can start rotating the chair so that every board member can have the > opportunity to have the experience and learn. > > > > > Thanks for your feedback. > > I'm a board member of several organisations. > > > A few months ago I attended a corporate governance training, > facilitated by a trainer from the Australian Institute of Company > Directors. I've still got the notes, but they are licensed in a way > that prevents my republishing them verbatim. There are similar > organisations in other countries. It's not cheap, costs to me were of > the order of $US 500 in fees, travel, and lost time. I feel it has > been worth it. > > During the meeting we also discussed the possibility to reduce from 7 to 5 the > number of seats. Not sure if this is the best way to facilitate the decision > making process but it could help. On one board, we increased members from 7 to 9 to facilitate the decision making process; we felt a diversity of opinion would make for more disagreement and conflict resolution, and so we would achieve results closer to consensus of the wider non-board membership. > Regards and thank you for sharing your experience :D -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 01:15:06AM -0500, Sebastian Silva wrote: > > On 17/05/17 00:47, James Cameron wrote: > > Can someone explain the relationship between ASLO and Sugar network? > > Nobody has answered your question, so I'll have a go. > > A derivative relationship; data flows from ASLO to Sugar Network. > > Any changes you make in ASLO that affect how the data is presented may > have impact on Sugar Network. > > Sorry, I thought I had answered when I said: > > " At one time there was a ASLO->Sugar Network synchronization script. " > > That is precisely the extent of the current relationship between > ASLO and Sugar Network, nothing more. > There is no communication or dependency between them. Ah, that's good to know, thanks. In that case I withdraw my concern that changes to ASLO may impact Sugar Network. > > Developing a new ASLO has been tried before, by Sam Parkinson, and it > > did not get enough traction, and was shut down; we've only just > > finished removed the changes from Sugar. It was also a git based > > backend. After that experience, I really don't think we need another > > ASLO. > > There is no reason we should not try again. > > > Activity release is not a complicated process; we lack maintainers, > > not tools. > > I disagree. Tooling is very important. We should not abandon the vision of > learners producing activities and sharing them. That is what Sugar Labs is > about, after all. > > I'd choose the datastore/framework with care, to try to accommodate nano > servers as well as large servers, and also that it is well supported. > > But, keep it simple and maintainable. > > Sebastian -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 09:23:55PM -0400, Samuel Cantero wrote: > Samuel Cantero wrote: > > we're going to try to build a new ASLO in GSoC which must ease > > activities management, for both image builders and developers. > > Please also consider Sugar Network, which Sebastian knows about, and > is used heavily, judging by the hit counts on the Sugar Labs servers. > > Can someone explain the relationship between ASLO and Sugar network? Nobody has answered your question, so I'll have a go. A derivative relationship; data flows from ASLO to Sugar Network. Any changes you make in ASLO that affect how the data is presented may have impact on Sugar Network. Also, don't forget that OLPC laptops and Sugar itself fetches data from ASLO, using the Software Update feature. Look through the source for that; in the /sugar/ and /browse-activity/ repositories. You should also look at access logs on the server to make sure you understand what is happening. Let me know what you find. > Pitifully we can't work in ASLO and Sugar network at the same time, > but we can take into account what is needed for interaction with > Sugar network. At least in design in the first stage. I've not seen any design yet. Looking forward to it. ASLO works well at the moment now that the critical bugs are fixed; could you please estimate if the effort required to fix the remaining bugs? https://github.com/sugarlabs/aslo/issues The final accepted proposal is still paywalled; so anything Jatin has said is opaque and non-transparent. Is Jatin subscribed here yet? Can the proposal be posted or is there some reason for secrecy? https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2017 There was a copy posted on 2nd April on sugar-devel@ ... but I don't know if that version is current ... which mentions developing a new ASLO ... Developing a new ASLO has been tried before, by Sam Parkinson, and it did not get enough traction, and was shut down; we've only just finished removed the changes from Sugar. It was also a git based backend. After that experience, I really don't think we need another ASLO. Please, maintain the existing ASLO first, as a priority. I see no reason to host ASLO on GitHub or bind it too closely to that social network. Activity release is not a complicated process; we lack maintainers, not tools. ASLO is a fairly straightforward web application; and the languages used are on the knowledge prerequisites for the GSoC task, and easy to pick up. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [wiki bug] Roadmap Sugar Labs - Ambiguity detected on how to make Decisions
On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 02:14:51PM +, D. Joe wrote: > On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 04:04:05PM +1000, James Cameron wrote: > > No doubt about relevance, but conflicting opinion may reinforce > > errant behaviour rather than improve a situation. The rebound > > effect. > > > > I have seen no other interest than what you have expressed. > > Speaking as a relative newcomer to the community, I find this > interesting. Thanks! It is good to see interest. Please get involved. Let me rephrase my earlier brevity; I've seen no other interest from the board members other than Laura. I'm expecting they are too busy or my mail is filed as spam. ;-} > [...] > One model for group decision making that I do like, that seems to > work reasonably well without nearly so much overhead as traditional > debate-centered deliberations is the consent agenda mechanism. > [...] Yes, this is a good one. Thanks for sharing it. It may highlight an underlying limitation; the time the board members have available to contribute toward deliberation. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] MOTION to budget professional services for a Yoruba-Igbo XO build WAS [Re: Yoruba localization contract completed
>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > Dear All, > >>>>> > I once requested for the handle on these Nigerian translations > and > >>>>> > was told > >>>>> > it was not yet in the main build, so I guess this is the main > >>>>> > obstacle in > >>>>> > the way of learners accessing the contents, it is important if we > can > >>>>> > have > >>>>> > those two translations all possible publicly available builds, so > >>>>> > that > >>>>> > people like us can make case for their use in many fora in > Nigeria. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > I support any effort in this direction. +1 > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Regards! > >>>>> > David > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Our current holdings in Nigerian localization can be found on our > >>>>> Pootle server. > >>>>> > >>>>> Yoruba > >>>>> [11]https://translate.sugarlabs.org/yo/ > >>>>> > >>>>> Igbo > >>>>> [12]https://translate.sugarlabs.org/ibo/ > >>>>> > >>>>> The vast majority of these translations have been committed to their > >>>>> respective Github repos, to the extent that new versions of those > >>>>> activities have been released since those commits, the translations > >>>>> are now present in ASLO. > >>>>> > >>>>> The core UI strings (sugar, sugar-toolkit-gtk3, OLPC_switch_laptop) > >>>>> have also been committed, but to get them visible to users a new > build > >>>>> will be required. That would either be a new SOAS build or possibly > a > >>>>> custom build as proposed by Laura. > >>>>> > >>>>> cjl > >>>>> ___ > >>>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >>>>> [13]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > >>>>> [14]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ___ > >>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >>>> [15]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > >>>> [16]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Walter Bender > >>> Sugar Labs > >>> [17]http://www.sugarlabs.org > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Laura V. > >> I SomosAZUCAR.Org > >> > >> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” > >> ~ Laura Victoria > >> > >> Happy Learning! > >> #LearningByDoing > >> #Projects4good > >> #IDesignATSugarLabs > >> #WeCanDoBetter > >> > >> ___ > >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >> [18]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> [19]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > > > > > ___ > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > > [20]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > > [21]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > -- > Laura V. > I SomosAZUCAR.Org > > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” > ~ Laura Victoria > > Happy Learning! > #LearningByDoing > #Projects4good > #IDesignATSugarLabs > #WeCanDoBetter > > References: > > [1] https://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-June/019872.html > [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions > [3] mailto:cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com > [4] > http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/localization-guide/en/latest/l10n/pluralforms.html > [5] mailto:ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com > [6] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [7] mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com > [8] mailto:samsongo...@sugarlabs.org > [9] mailto:cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com > [10] mailto:david_a...@yahoo.com > [11] https://translate.sugarlabs.org/yo/ > [12] https://translate.sugarlabs.org/ibo/ > [13] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [14] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > [15] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [16] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > [17] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [18] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [19] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > [20] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [21] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] New ASLO Project Definition
On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 03:21:03PM +0530, Jatin Dhankhar wrote: > Hello Chris, Please continue to CC sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org for developers. > Welcome to the Sugar Labs community, When reworking ASLO (a very > valuable project), please do keep internationalization (i18n) and > localization (L10n) in mind. You may or may not know that we do host > PO files for L10n of NewASLO on our Pootle translation server: > [1]https://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/NewAslo/ > > Yes, Tony discussed the same points regarding i18n with me earlier on email. > > I think you are familiar with Pootle. The trick with Django is that the > display of strings is indirect. > > Pootle is built upon Django, so it should be readily available and easy to > plug. I agree. Django apps are easily internationalised. > Sam Cantaro mentioned using webhooks to notify ASLO when a new activity > version has been released. Perhaps such a hook could be used to notify you > of the need to review localization for the activity and another hook to > notify ASLO to update the bundle to integrate the localization. > > I think this is the right approach. > > From the conversations so far and looking at the [2]ASLO 3 Proposal, we are > using webhooks to notify ASLO of any changes, whether it is adding a new > activity, or updating an existing one. I have one question, how will an > activity get approved prior to it's release on ASLO ? > Suppose a developer wants to create a new activity and upload it to > ASLO. Of course, prior to release, the activity needs to be > verified/moderated. Will be there an intermediate step? Since > developer needs to be member of sugar-activites organization to > publish an activity there or will there be another repository > containing names of verified repo, which build server will check on > each webhook ? > What I suggest is to use the Pull request reviews to moderate an > activity and when an activity is signed off as okay but X number of > senior members then only it should be considered for ASLO. That would work, but it sounds difficult to communicate and implement; there are not enough senior members. ;-) We also can't trust GitHub to keep that UX stable. > My main query is, how we will accomplish moderation and publishing > to ASLO using Github as a tool ? I might be wrong about the whole > moderation thing but a healthy discussion will hopefully lead us in > the right direction. What we have now is a moderation queue in a PHP application; perhaps we don't need a moderation or approval at all. That would simplify the activity release process by one step. We already have patch review; much better moderation or approval than we had before. Let's drop the moderation and approval requirement. Leave it to the image builders if they want to go further. Speaking as an image builder. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?
Thanks, I'll review it. On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:09:06PM -0500, Sebastian Silva wrote: > Hi James, > > I've found a moment to make Moon (JS) work in Sugar again. The version > in the original repo was only missing a small patch. > > https://github.com/zhirzh/sugarizer-activity-moon/pull/13 > > Hope you find it useful, > > Regards, > > Sebastian > > > On 12/05/17 19:58, James Cameron wrote: > > I'm probably going to have to port the Moon activity from GTK+ 2 to > > GTK+ 3 unless someone can make the JavaScript version work on desktop. > > ;-) I did get half way through. > > > > Zeeshan Khan also has the task for GsoC, so we might do it together. > > > > I'd like to hear from Ignacio, Sam Parkinson and Abhijit what they > > think of the port of Moon vs the JavaScript port; it may be simpler to > > port the JavaScript version back to Sugar. > > -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo
Thanks for the license review, Sebastian. Please also remove http://activities.sugarlabs.org/activities/4758/football-1.xo http://activities.sugarlabs.org/activities/4759/kunfu-1.xo http://download.sugarlabs.org/activities2/org.sugarlabs.Football_v1.xo http://download.sugarlabs.org/activities2/org.sugarlabs.Football_1428059038.xo http://download.sugarlabs.org/activities2/org.sugarlabs.Football_1426574005.xo And after 24 hours, check mirror sites, e.g. http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/sugarlabs/activities/4758/football-1.xo http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/sugarlabs/activities/4759/kunfu-1.xo http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/sugarlabs/activities2/org.sugarlabs.Football_v1.xo http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/sugarlabs/activities2/org.sugarlabs.Football_1428059038.xo http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/sugarlabs/activities2/org.sugarlabs.Football_1426574005.xo -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo
I've marked Kunfu as available in activities.sugarlabs.org, after Ben Olding confirmed he is author of Legend of the Dragon Fist and gave a license; "you may use the file, unmodified for free as you see fit as long as you are not directly selling it. i.e. bundling it on a laptop is fine, wrapping the game and selling as an app for $5 on the app store is not." http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4759/ Samson, when you get time, please update the bundle to correctly attribute author and license, thanks. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 07:53:23PM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote: > Please kind you note where and how i breached those rules?. Why are > these questions targeted to me only? Why i see people and under > softwares understand SFC are using facebook anf LinkedIn to promote > their content. Let me try to explain. You are you. You are not Sugar Labs. But you will appear, in other people's eyes, to be Sugar Labs during your trip. For which, congratulations, by the way. So whether you want to or not, you will appear to represent Sugar Labs. Now Sugar Labs has an agreement with The Software Freedom Conservancy, which I've just read through, and Sebastian signed it, and the agreement requires that the project will be free software (2.b), and defines free software not in terms of price but in terms of rights to copy, modify, redistribute, and to improve (B). Sugar Labs does not and should not promote things that are non-free. So when you do speak, remember to make it clear to your listeners when you are speaking on your own behalf or on behalf of Sugar Labs. You will be two people. As far as I can see, there's no problem with you-as-you mentioning the non-free services you use, provided you are careful not to mention them too much when you-as-sugar-labs are speaking. I've faced the same problems myself, when speaking at conferences or meetings. I've faced the same problem while working for OLPC; how can you know that this isn't OLPC talking? Because I say it is me talking. As for why you, why now; it's because of your trip, and because Sebastian has made a written promise in that agreement. It has to do with long term responsibility and transparency. Hope that helps. Have fun! -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [wiki bug] Roadmap Sugar Labs - Ambiguity detected on how to make Decisions
G'day Laura, No, I don't think your suggestion is the best fix. It can and should be much simpler. Words spoken (or typed) during a meeting do not become a motion until there exists both a proposer and seconder from among the members of the oversight board. You should instead welcome non-member proposals at the time of a meeting; but require both a proposer and seconder from among the members of the board. The board should never prevent itself from talking about something. A meeting chairperson has the duty to remind those in the meeting what the rules are. Where there is no chairperson, all members of the board have that duty. What I see most of all is poor form of meeting procedure; which in other parliaments is handled by; - the chair making it clear when a motion is proposed, and who proposed it, - the chair making it clear when a motion is seconded, - not allowing talk on a motion until it is seconded, - not allowing a change to the motion unless the change is both proposed and seconded, - initiation, education and preparation of the board members. These form the rules of order. But I do not think these rules are appropriate for your board; they are intended for environments where conflict is used to delay and prevent decision-making. The members of the board have "a major problem with conflict resolution and consensus building," (sverma) and adding rules won't fix this. On the contrary, adding rules creates more conflict; a weapon of procedure. Please instead build trust. Disclosure: I'm not a member of the board, and I'm not a member of Sugar Labs. I'm a third-party with a commercial interest in the success of Sugar. On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 08:29:15AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > Hola a todos! > > During yesterday's meeting there was evident confusion among members regarding > Sugar Labs decision-making process. Specifically, we had not clear if > non-SLOBs > members were welcome or not to propose motions during a meeting. > > I propose to correct the third sentence of the Decisions description on our > wiki page it says: > > [1]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions > > "Due to confusion about Sugar Labs governance, during 2016 several members of > the project not on the SLOB posted motions, but these were not seconded, and > have been struck out to show they were considered by some SLOB members are > invalid." > > I suggest Option A to reduce to zero the ambiguity: > > Option A: > "Sugar Labs governance model encourages members of the project not on the SLOB > to post motions by email sending the proposed text to SLOBs, Sugar-devel, > Sugar > Sur and IAEP mailing lists." > > Additional options to modify the text from SLOBs and non SLOBs members highly > appreciated; lets make an effort to make it cristal clear. > > Best regards and blessings from the largest forest ;D > -- > Laura V. > I SomosAZUCAR.Org > > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” > ~ Laura Victoria > > Happy Learning! > #LearningByDoing > #Projects4good > #IDesignATSugarLabs > #WeCanDoBetter > > References: > > [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions > _______ > Sugar-devel mailing list > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [wiki bug] Roadmap Sugar Labs - Ambiguity detected on how to make Decisions
On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 06:28:00AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > 2017-05-07 21:59 GMT-05:00 James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org>: > > Please instead build trust. > > Interesting point of view. Still, please elaborate in this > suggestion. How to achieve this? As there is only one board member asking this question, I'm inclined to be brief. ;-) I don't feel I will be heard. I ask board members to be more intentional. To decide on their own individual behalf to resolve conflicts and build consensus. To communicate more frequently, either privately between individuals, privately within the board, or publically. To track and measure how their communication is received. To identify conflict and reveal it. To try different communication media to resolve conflict. It isn't easy. > It's sounds like the chair has the largest role on making procedures > work... That's up to the board. It may be helpful for the board to select a meeting chairperson. "But we already have Walter!" is an anticipated response; but it isn't obvious from the outside reading of logs or Wiki that everyone thinks this, or knows what a chair does. > Thanks for your feedback. I'm a board member of several organisations. A few months ago I attended a corporate governance training, facilitated by a trainer from the Australian Institute of Company Directors. I've still got the notes, but they are licensed in a way that prevents my republishing them verbatim. There are similar organisations in other countries. It's not cheap, costs to me were of the order of $US 500 in fees, travel, and lost time. I feel it has been worth it. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Design Meeting/Reunión 21 September at 11 PM UTC IRC Sugar Meeting [DESIGN]
For the proposed agenda [1]; a. Upgrading Sugar UI; could you please be more specific about what you want the design team to do? This will encourage participation, although it looks like one of the design team may be challenged by the date you have chosen. b. Elimination of gender selection [2]; remove this agenda item, as it is not a design issue. There is already reasonable consensus that this should be eliminated and left as a GSetting for any deployment that needs the feature, so could you please make a pull request for code review? I never did like it myself, but Gonzalo and Walter had a customer require it. That customer no longer uses Sugar. c. Modify main icons; remove this agenda item, as it is not a design issue. As a patch already exists, please port it to master branch, prepare it as a pull request for review and merging. Being able to change icon shape as well as colour would be a great improvement. Please also add a [DESIGN] tag to the subject, which is part of our mailing list policy for sugar-devel@ [3]. By omitting the tag, some design team members may have missed your meeting announcement, and this would be unfair to them. Thanks. References: 1. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Meetings 2. https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/issues/770 3. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] On being bullied and harassed
Yesterday after our design meeting, and nearly in tears, I spoke at length, in person, with my supervisor in another organisation. He has great understanding of psychology and human behaviour, as part of his job. He helped me see how people are being bullied and harassed, and feel uncomfortable and threatened. He gave an example of how he had been bullied in the past few days, by someone who was sending many messages to everyone in a community he was part of. He said that for him, once he revealed his feelings, calm resumed. So I'll try that. Laura and Sebastian, by your rate of posting and Wiki editing, by your use of many paths to achieve your goals; I'm feeling bullied, harassed, uncomfortable and threatened. In private messages with me, five (5) others also feel this. You risk harming us as a community, because; even if you did not intend this; we feel hurt. Thanks for listening. (In reply to an abuse report, GitHub support suggested it was a dispute between contractors, which is one way to look at it; competitive behaviour, acquisition of mind share. My work for OLPC could be seen in that framing, but to me it is human rights and global mission focused. I'll let the community discern my motivations based on my actions. Cooperation should have a higher reward than competition.) -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [DESIGN] Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Design Meeting/Reunión 21 September at 11 PM UTC IRC Sugar Meeting [DESIGN]
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 09:20:27AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > Good day James, > > Thank you for the feedback and the instructions. > > 2017-09-19 21:04 GMT-05:00 James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org>: > > For the proposed agenda [1]; > > a. Upgrading Sugar UI; could you please be more specific about what > you want the design team to do? This will encourage participation, > although it looks like one of the design team may be challenged by the > date you have chosen. > > Sugar Labs community has made several efforts to keep Sugar > development packages up to date. Unfortunately (for users) the > design of the user interface (UI) and the care for the user > experience (UX) has not been significantly improved over the > years. For 5 years, the Sugar design team has been dormant. > > This is the trend I plan to reverse. You are using dormancy as a justification for action; yet the reason for dormancy is ignored; you are putting the cart before the horse. Design team is dormant because there were no new design issues. > Sugar Labs needs an active Design Team taking care of Sugar UI and > UX ( affective aspects of usage). Of the needs that Sugar Labs has, the need for an active design team is much lower than other needs. Sugar Labs needs input from Sugar users. Without input, a lone design team will flail around making wild guesses and bad decisions, and won't have consensus with development team, and so nothing will happen except talk and noise. You probably have input from Sugar users that you are not revealing, as do I, as we are both contractors making money from Sugar, and it is in our interests to protect our customers from exposure here in this hostile environment. One of my customers watches Sugar Labs mailing lists and said of last week that it was "sad to see so much friction." I've other customers who watch but don't speak. For community health of Sugar Labs, it would be better to have direct input from Sugar users, and have that input drive design and development. This has been tried with Sugar Network, ASLOv2 reviews, and with the Social Help discourse instance. Sugar Network uses an old version of Sugar, and is full of spam. ASLOv2 is dead. Social Help is rarely used. There's also GitHub issues, and trac. But now that these environments are even more hostile, the input will dry up like a wet season stream. > My proposal is to reactivate the Sugar Design Team and lead it to an > upgraded Sugar User Interface and Sugar User Experience. > > Our main focus needs to be maximizing Sugar and Sugar Web usability > (understanding usability as the degree to which Sugar can be used to > achieve quantified objectives with effectiveness, efficiency, and > satisfaction in a quantified context of use). I don't fully understand what you mean. By Sugar Web do you mean the API for Sugar Web Activities, Sugarizer, or Sugar Network? How do you propose to quantify usability? Which standard to use? Most of the standards are for adult usability, and Sugar target users are not adult. Is there a qualified pedagogy team member? Qualifications are very helpful in selling the idea to customers. > Today's meeting will be a first exploration of who is interested in > this matter and how we can all work together. > > I'll try to call for a weekly Sugar Team design meeting. > > b. Elimination of gender selection [2]; remove this agenda item, as > it is not a design issue. There is already reasonable consensus that > this should be eliminated and left as a GSetting for any deployment > that needs the feature, so could you please make a pull request for > code review? I never did like it myself, but Gonzalo and Walter had a > customer require it. That customer no longer uses Sugar. > > Where the Sugar User Experience starts is totally part of the Sugar User > Experience design. > > Design is not just about eliminating here and there, we need to rethink the > whole experience from start to end so that children really benefit from the > Sugar and/or Sugar Web experience. Thanks for the comment, but it was not really necessary. > That said for this case, I plan to follow your procedure > instructions. Good, thanks. When will the pull request arrive in GitHub? > c. Modify main icons; remove this agenda item, as it is not a design > issue. As a patch already exists, please port it to master branch, > prepare it as a pull request for review and merging. Being able to > change icon shape as well as colour would be a great improvement. > > How the Sugar UI looks like is also part of the Sugar Experience > design. No, not when the subject is user-directed modification of icons. For example, the user can change background now, and how the UI looks i
Re: [IAEP] Membership and Elections Committee - Elections 2017-2019 Update
or added today the > list. I am still in Abuja for my visa (Which i got) so i am > away from my computer. > > Looking on the archives seems Hrishi requested membership on > December 18, 2017. I was not in the Membership Committee at the > time, > > Can you confirm why you didn't approve the request at the time? > > I did see his mail last week. > > But he mailed the membership applying for membership September 11th. > > Hrishi Patel > IRC name : hrishi > GitHub : hrishi1999 > > I've been contributing to SL since 2014. I've been part of GCI > 2014,15,16. I was a mentor for 3 projects in GSoC 2017 and has helped > for docs and other projects. > > > > Please look into it. > > > Regards > > -- > Laura V. > I SomosAZUCAR.Org > > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” > ~ L. Victoria > > Happy Learning! > #LearningByDoing > #Projects4good > #IDesignATSugarLabs > #WeCanDoBetter > > > > -- > Laura V. > I SomosAZUCAR.Org > > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” > ~ L. Victoria > > Happy Learning! > #LearningByDoing > #Projects4good > #IDesignATSugarLabs > #WeCanDoBetter > > -- > Laura V. > I SomosAZUCAR.Org > > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” > ~ L. Victoria > > Happy Learning! > #LearningByDoing > #Projects4good > #IDesignATSugarLabs > #WeCanDoBetter > > References: > > [1] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [2] mailto:cbige...@hotmail.com > [3] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2016-December/019271.html > [4] mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [5] mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com > [6] mailto:sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [7] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [8] mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com > [9] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [10] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [11] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-September/020036.html > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [DESIGN] Sugar Design Meeting 21 September at 11 PM UTC
Discussion recording is here http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2017-09-22 -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Design Meeting/Reunión 21 September at 11 PM UTC IRC Sugar Meeting
G'day Laura, You aren't a member of the design team, and none of the team have asked to meet. Issues for the design team are to be tagged in the sugar-devel@ mailing list, because the design team mostly work by e-mail. Your proposed agenda for this meeting does not justify a meeting. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Meetings#Proposed_agenda For removing the gender selection, make a pull request and gain consensus of other developers. Consensus means that you work to adjust the pull request until mutual agreement is reached. Same for Ignacio's patch for changing icons. Your "Upgrading Sugar UI" is very vague. You should provide more detail about what you want the design team to consider. Thanks. On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 02:27:00PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > Hi all, Hola a todos, > > Following the proposal to coordinate a Team/Event of contributors interested > in > upgrading Sugar UI, and with the purpose of defining this team/event main > lines > of action, I invite you all (designers and not designers) to the 1st Sugar > Design Meeting 2017. > > It will take place on IRC channel Sugar-Meeting next Thurstan September 21 at > 11 pm UTC. Hope to see you all. > > > Best, > > -- > Laura V. > I SomosAZUCAR.Org > > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” > ~ L. Victoria > > Happy Learning! > #LearningByDoing > #Projects4good > #IDesignATSugarLabs > #WeCanDoBetter > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Design Meeting/Reunión 21 September at 11 PM UTC IRC Sugar Meeting
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 08:30:06PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > > 2017-09-18 20:22 GMT-05:00 James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org>: > > G'day Laura, > > You aren't a member of the design team... > > Can you please point me to the procedure to become a member? No, it was a practice not a procedure. The practice was for the design team to accept a designer after; 1. they had expressed interest, 2. they had demonstrated their credentials as a designer, 3. the team had met to discuss. A procedure is not required. > Last meeting in the wiki for such design team was August 26th 2012. > > I would say it is an abandoned team. It is not abandoned. I still have occasional communication from members of the team, and the [DESIGN] tag continues to be used occasionally. You and Sebastian seem to be trying to gain control of every team you can find; board, elections, finance, design ... while I can appreciate your enthusiasm, it does seem very odd. You aren't building trust or consensus. Also, I note you did not respond to the other items in my mail. You have been very selective. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Code of Conduct Motion to add Anti-harassment policy - Sugar Labs
On Tue, Oct 03, 2017 at 12:03:17PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > > 2017-09-27 13:03 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <[1]walter.ben...@gmail.com>: > > FWIW, the current Sugar Labs code of conduct is available in the wiki > here: > > [2]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Legal/Code_of_Conduct > > And translated into Spanish here: > > [3]http://co.sugarlabs.org/go/C%C3%B3digo_de_Conducta > > Spanish link is broke. Yes, the Spanish translation link is 404. > @Laura, maybe you could explain why you think the current code of conduct > is insufficient as regards harassment? > > regards. > > -walter > > I think current Code of Conduct is insufficient because there is no > procedure to follow in case of Harassment. > > Sugar Labs Code of Conduct currently states: > > " The Oversight Board will arbitrate in any dispute over the conduct > of a member of the community." > > So, what happens in case of Harassment? > > Harassment is not a dispute. No. Harassment is a conduct. Where harassment occurs, there also occurs a dispute about conduct. The code of conduct says I may ask the oversight board to arbitrate for me, as part of my appreciation of being bullied and harassed. You would not have known this, because of recusal, but I've not yet asked the oversight board to arbitrate. It is an option I've yet to select. I'm keeping the option in reserve, as a last resort, because I'm trying first to be open about the dispute, and also because it will cost the oversight board significant time which could be better spent on more useful matters. > The Anti-harassment Policy proposed clearly defines what Community > shall understand as Harassment and what Community member can do > about it if he/she finds in such situation. Two parts to your statement; a list of conducts, and response to conducts. - the list of harassing conducts is useful, however they are already implied in the code of conduct. Should the oversight board wish to add this list, I've no objection. As I've said before, I can see how this list may help to protect me. - the response to harassing conduct needs no change; a community member like me can already ask the oversight board to arbitrate, and there's no reason to add yet another team to an already tiny organisation. > Sugar Labs needs to be a place where anyone can speak freely, > without fear. Yes, please. However, it will be never possible to be without fear given public mailing lists and archives that can be searched. Developers are now talking to me privately because they don't feel they can speak freely. That's wrong. > To include a Diversity statement would also help encourage > participation by everyone. While a diversity statement would be a welcome addition to the Wiki canon, it alone would not encourage my participation. The Ubuntu diversity statement is good. > Regards, > > Laura V > -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Code of Conduct Motion to add Anti-harassment policy - Sugar Labs
Thanks Hilary, that's interesting. My Australian culture doesn't use "run to mother", but does use "spit the dummy", which in turn is usually not understood by American cultural adherents. Yes, idioms are risky, but they are not easily identified, especially by those who use them. They are subconscious, and form very efficient semantic containers for communication within a culture. Often we need to be told which are idioms and which are not. We are hasty and won't spend the time looking for idioms, in the same way that our readers are hasty not to look for a charitable alternative interpretation. For amusement; in Australian idiomatic english, I'd say we're up a creek without a paddle after an emu knocked the dunny down. On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 03:34:17PM -0700, Hilary Naylor wrote: > Hi James and all, > > It appears to me that the phrase "run to Mommie" (or "mommy" as is more > common) > is a perfect example of your first scenario. It just doesn't mean what the > translation probably implies "run to your mother." I quick review of the > phrase > in Google (in English) illustrates how it is used (not that it is polite, but > it has nothing to do with anyone's mother). > I'd suggest that the first rule of multi-cultural, multi-lingual e-lists > like this one should be "no English idioms"! > > thanks > Hilary > > ---Original Message--- > Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:06:09 +1000 > From: James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> > To: [2]iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, [3]sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Code of Conduct Motion to add Anti-harassment policy - > Sugar Labs > > Long reply. > > I'm very familiar with the geek feminism team and the conference > anti-harassment policy, as I've been a regular speaker at > [4]linux.conf.au. I support the work of the geek feminism team. For my > part, two of my friends who are female are part of the overall geek > feminism movement. The conference policy is essential. I support the > policy itself, but I don't think Sugar Labs needs it yet. > > I'm also familiar with abuse and harassment policies in general, as > I've been studying and implementing them as part of another > organisation. Earlier this week 130 or so pages of canon law passed > my eyes. > > Walter asked Laura why existing code of conduct is insufficient; > perhaps another way of asking why the policy would be needed. At time > of my writing, Laura hasn't answered. I look forward to an answer. > > For my part, I guess there are two possible scenarios, and which is > correct I cannot be sure. Perhaps none, perhaps one, perhaps both. > > 1. a misunderstanding. > > Since almost everything here in Sugar Labs mailing lists is in > English, and there is no independent third party doing translation, > any non-english speaker is obliged to manage their own translation, > > Laura says english is not her first language. So everything I say has > to be translated. When translating there are a choice of > interpretations. English has several meanings. > > This risks an uncharitable translation, which may result in silently > taking offense, which may set a person against me. > > This in turn increases the probability of the next translation being > uncharitable, caused now by a decision to act against all my > interests, despite some interests being held in common. > > A positive feedback loop begins, with each communication raising the > ire of each participant. This may partly explain my stress and tears > in the design meeting; I felt I wasn't listened to, as if a prejudice > had already built to the point of deafness. > > For my part, I hope Sebastian isn't the translator. If so, I'm > doomed. ;-) > > 2. side attack. > > A less charitable interpretation is that Laura is searching around for > procedural weapons to use against me, which in itself is a form of > abuse. This seems less likely now than a misunderstanding, because it > would be such an unwise thing to do. Laura should not be the one to > propose this motion, because it could look like an attack. Laura > might instead have asked another to propose it, or the motion could > have been private to slobs@. It can only be an attack on me if it is > copied to iaep@. > > Summary > > The proposed policy is not needed, because the code of conduct already > includes a summary form, and says the oversight board will arbitrate. > The oversight board is the response team, and reports would be private > to them. > > (As an aside, If I had approached the board alleging harassment under > the code of conduct, I would have written to the board without > including anyone involved in
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Member's List June 2017: 140 verified members
low > the [9] membership application instructions. If you > consider someone you know deserves to be added please ask > them to follow the application instructions. > > The list is updated on the Sugar Labs Wiki at: > > [10]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List > > > Regards and thank you everyone! > > Membership Committee > -- > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [11]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [12]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > -- > Laura V. > I SomosAZUCAR.Org > > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” > ~ Laura Victoria > > Happy Learning! > #LearningByDoing > #Projects4good > #IDesignATSugarLabs > #WeCanDoBetter > > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [13]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [14]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > -- > photo Gonzalo Odiard >Lider de proyecto >[15]tel.: 2081-6424 y 2082-0312 | [16] >www.trinom.ioAv Calchaqui 4936· 2do Piso. >Quilmes >[17][f] [18][l] > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [19]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [20]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > [21]http://www.sugarlabs.org > [22] > > References: > > [1] > https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/opinion/donald-trump-voting-rights-purge.html?mcubz=1 > [2] > https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/opinion/donald-trump-voting-rights-purge.html?mcubz=1 > [3] > https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/opinion/donald-trump-voting-rights-purge.html?mcubz=1 > [4] mailto:godi...@gmail.com > [5] mailto:scante...@gmail.com > [6] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [7] mailto:scante...@gmail.com > [8] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [9] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Applying_for_membership > [10] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List > [11] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [12] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > [13] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [14] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > [15] tel:tel.:+4210-7748 > [16] http://www.trinom.io/ > [17] http://www.facebook.com/trinomiosrl > [18] https://www.linkedin.com/company/trinom-io > [19] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [20] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > [21] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [22] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Urgent Motion: To add three contributors into the membership/election committee
Thanks. I don't think adding more Sugar Labs members to the membership and elections committee will increase transparency. Practices that will increase transparency are; - make open the discussions, meetings, minutes, and decisions of the committee, - make open the collective actions of the committee; Laura is doing that job very well, - make open the individual actions of the committee, - declaring any conflicts of interest, or confirming there are no conflicts of interest, as a consequence of being on committee, - deciding the types of information that will not be made open; such as votes, and Sugar Labs member e-mail addresses. There's a risk adding more Sugar Labs members to the membership and elections committee might decrease transparency; by reducing time spent on transparency practices. Don't forget, the membership and elections committee also has two independent third parties they can turn to; Dave Crossland (impartial election oversight party), and Bert Freudenberg as Ombudsman. On Thu, Sep 07, 2017 at 12:09:49AM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote: > Thank you James, > > The reason we want more members is due to the current members are all SLOBS > and > since we will be having elections it is wise to have some non-SLOBS member in, > for sake of transparency. > > Samson > > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:05 AM, James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote: > > Good that the motion passed, but I'll comment anyway. ;-) > > Pericherla Seetaramaraju and Hirish Patel are not Sugar Labs members > yet. On the other hand, nor am I. > > My opinion is that it is up to the membership and elections committee > who they invite to their meetings and who they collaborate with. Call > them visitors. Visitors need not be Sugar Labs members. Visitors > could be asked their opinion but their vote on motions could be > avoided. > > I don't see why the committee needs more committee members, apart from > Walter's concern that the committee at the moment consists only of > the continuing oversight board members. > > > [2]http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2017-09-01T19:10:08# > i_2902795 > > This perhaps is more a function of the level of interest overall; and > losing Ignacio is an unfortunate sign of that. > > On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 05:43:31PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > > Samson, > > > > I would support a motion to add Ibiam to the Membership and elections > Committee > > since Ibiam is a Sugar Labs member. > > > > Not sure it works for non Sugar Labs members. > > > > Regards, > > > > Laura V > > Membership and Elections Committee Liaison > > > > 2017-09-06 16:02 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <[1][3]samsongo...@gmail.com>: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am requesting to SLOB. To add Pericherla Seetaramaraju (Google > Summer of > > Code Intern), Hirish Patel (Contributor and Google Summer of Code > Mentor) > > and Ibiam Chihurumnaya (Member of Sugar Labs). I mentioned at the > meeting > > that we need more members in the Membership/Election committee. > > > > > > I will appreciate if someone second this motion for voting. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Samson Goddy > > > > -- > > Laura V. > > I SomosAZUCAR.Org > > > > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” > > ~ L. Victoria > > > > Happy Learning! > > #LearningByDoing > > #Projects4good > > #IDesignATSugarLabs > > #WeCanDoBetter > > > > References: > > > > [1] mailto:[4]samsongo...@gmail.com > > > ___ > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > > [5]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > > [6]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > -- > James Cameron > [7]http://quozl.netrek.org/ > > References: > > [1] mailto:qu...@laptop.org > [2] > http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2017-09-01T19:10:08#i_2902795 > [3] mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com > [4] mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com > [5] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [6] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > [7] http://quozl.netrek.org/ -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Urgent Motion: To add three contributors into the membership/election committee
On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 07:00:24PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > In my opinion the motion haven't pass yet as have only 3 valid votes > in favor: Walter as 1 of the 4 candidates for the 2017-2019 > elections should abstain to avoid any direct interference with the > current election process he is participating in. I disagree. As the motion is only adding members to a committee, there's no interference in process of the committee. By your logic above, the only people who could vote for the motion are those whose slot is not expiring; Samson, Ignacio, and Laura. And these three are the committee. ;-) -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Urgent Motion: To add three contributors into the membership/election committee
On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 07:36:03PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > Not even I should vote on any motion related to the current > electoral process until current election calendar terminates on > October 15, 2017 as it could be defined as a "Conflict of Interest". (a) the motion 2017-14 which was agreed did not relate to the current electoral process, but to the membership of a committee who is responsible for implementing the process, (b) there is no conflict of interest visible; your primary interest is as a member of the oversight board and a member of the committee, none of your declared secondary interests include personal benefit, financial gain, desire for professional advancement, or the wish to do favours for family or friends. (c) if there is a conflict of interest that is not yet visible, please make it visible. Therefore you had the right to vote on the motion. > At this point, this a polemical motion. I've had to look up the word polemical. The motion that passed was proposed by an oversight board member who is also a member of the committee; Samson. If you are saying the motion was an argument, a controversy, or a verbal or written attack on you, then I'm surprised. You might take this up with Samson privately though. > I think we need to make allow enough time to set as deadline for the > OPEN CALL for volunteers for the Membership and Elections Committee > so that ALL members of SUGAR LABS (r) are invited to join the > Committee in equal conditions. > > I want to underline is super important anyone who wants to join the > Committee should state it on his/her own during an OPEN CALL. Your opinion on this is welcome, of course, but following the agreed motion 2017-14, the committee now consists of Samson, Ignacio, Hrishi, Pericherla, Ibiam and yourself. It isn't clear that there is a need for further committee members, given that the original reason was to enhance transparency. As the oversight board did not formally decide to make an OPEN CALL, your message making that call was a personal decision. Your aim seems to be "helping out with the tasks related". It will be interesting to see who responds. The committee may still involve as visitors those yet to be respond. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Urgent Motion: To add three contributors into the membership/election committee
On Thu, Sep 07, 2017 at 04:56:49PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
>
> 2017-09-07 15:51 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <[1]samsongo...@gmail.com>:
>
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 at 9:08 PM Lionel Laské <[2]lionel.la...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> -1 for the motion.
>
> As James said, I don't think adding more Sugar Labs members will give
> more transparency.
>
> Good point to make an open call if there is more volunteer but do a
> motion to "force" new members to the committee is not fair.
> Plus except if I miss something I didn't seen in this thread a clear
> request from Pericherla, Hirish or Ibiam to be a part of the committee
>
> the motion passed and second this is not the first time Ibiam showed
> interest
> Just that you didnt catch the mail.
>
> Samson,
>
> Please get used to add reference to your words otherwise you loose
> and confuse readers.
I had no trouble with Samson's mail. Which part did you not
understand or need a reference for? Be specific.
> The motion is controversial as it is a personal closed selection of
> candidates.
Sure, it was controversial, that much is clear, but you must accept
that the motion was agreed, and now you must do these things;
1. ensure that the new committee members Pericherla, Hirish and Ibiam
are inducted into the committee, with sub-tasks;
1. a. add them to the sunjammer:/etc/aliases entry for members@
1. b. add them to the mailing lists, in particular the recently
created mailing list for enumerating Sugar Labs members,
1. c. inform them of all prior decisions of the committee,
1. d. give them the minutes of all prior meetings of the committee.
2. invite them to the next meeting of the committee.
If you do not do these things, then you are directly disobeying the
oversight board. You wouldn't, would you? ;-)
> There is already an Open Call for candidates for adding members to the
> Committee.
Your personal open call is fine, and it will be up to the new six
person committee to respond to any offers.
> Anyone who has interest or intention to become a volunteer member of
> the Membership and Elections Committee please attend the Call and
> send a mail to members AT sugarlabs DOT org cc IAEP if possible.
Please advise once you have added Pericherla, Hirish and Ibiam to this
mailing list or alias, otherwise we all know that the mail must be
sent both to members@ _and_ Pericherla, Hirish and Ibiam.
I've checked just now, and they are not yet on the list;
ssh sunjammer grep members /etc/aliases
> Regards and happy learning ;D
>
> Laura
> SL MEC Liaison
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Re: [IAEP] Urgent Motion: To add three contributors into the membership/election committee
Good that the motion passed, but I'll comment anyway. ;-) Pericherla Seetaramaraju and Hirish Patel are not Sugar Labs members yet. On the other hand, nor am I. My opinion is that it is up to the membership and elections committee who they invite to their meetings and who they collaborate with. Call them visitors. Visitors need not be Sugar Labs members. Visitors could be asked their opinion but their vote on motions could be avoided. I don't see why the committee needs more committee members, apart from Walter's concern that the committee at the moment consists only of the continuing oversight board members. http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2017-09-01T19:10:08#i_2902795 This perhaps is more a function of the level of interest overall; and losing Ignacio is an unfortunate sign of that. On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 05:43:31PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > Samson, > > I would support a motion to add Ibiam to the Membership and elections > Committee > since Ibiam is a Sugar Labs member. > > Not sure it works for non Sugar Labs members. > > Regards, > > Laura V > Membership and Elections Committee Liaison > > 2017-09-06 16:02 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <[1]samsongo...@gmail.com>: > > Hello, > > I am requesting to SLOB. To add Pericherla Seetaramaraju (Google Summer > of > Code Intern), Hirish Patel (Contributor and Google Summer of Code Mentor) > and Ibiam Chihurumnaya (Member of Sugar Labs). I mentioned at the meeting > that we need more members in the Membership/Election committee. > > > I will appreciate if someone second this motion for voting. > > > > Regards > > Samson Goddy > > -- > Laura V. > I SomosAZUCAR.Org > > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” > ~ L. Victoria > > Happy Learning! > #LearningByDoing > #Projects4good > #IDesignATSugarLabs > #WeCanDoBetter > > References: > > [1] mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com > ___________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Motion: To appoint Volunteer Laura Vargas as Sugar Labs Financial Manager [was Re: [SLOBS] URGENT action needed]
2016 (1 year and 2 quarters to > catch up). > C) All financial procedures require to be debugged and properly published on > the SL wiki. > > Anyhow, if this is what you are requiring please feel free to modify up or > down > the amount of the stipend so we can move on. > > Regards, > > -- > Laura V. > I SomosAZUCAR.Org > > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” > ~ L. Victoria > > Happy Learning! > #LearningByDoing > #Projects4good > #IDesignATSugarLabs > #WeCanDoBetter > > References: > > [1] > https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/tools-resources/can-board-members-be-paid > [2] > https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/tools-resources/can-board-members-be-paid > [3] > https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/tools-resources/can-board-members-be-paid > [4] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-August/019935.html > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Urgent Motion: To add three contributors into the membership/election committee
On Thu, Sep 07, 2017 at 06:54:11PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > Any reference for the motion candidates expressing their wish to be > part of the Committee would be in order. That's not necessary. The oversight board has decided that Pericherla, Hirish and Ibiam are members of the membership and elections committee. Don't be worried about their consent, it's not your problem. Should they now not consent, they may resign, by writing to the oversight board. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Motion: To appoint Volunteer Laura Vargas as Sugar Labs Financial Manager [was Re: [SLOBS] URGENT action needed]
Thanks Laura, but you've answered a different question; yes, the board can appoint you, and the Conservancy has procedures to recognise and care for a conflict of interest, but my comment and Caryl's comment were about your own conflict of interest that then arises, because the technical service is financial reporting to the oversight board of which you are also a member. Conservancy's conflict of interest policy has these sections; "* A PLC Person (or his or her family member) is a party to a contract, or involved in a transaction with Conservancy for goods or services relating to his or her Project." or "* A PLC Person (or his or her family member) is engaged in a substantial capacity or has a material financial interest in a for-profit enterprise that competes with his or her Project." Both would appear to apply to yourself. (The second would certainly apply to me if I was on the oversight board.) As a result, should the motion pass, you're less useful to Sugar Labs (in many ways) because you are conflicted; e.g. you are excluded from establishing quorum in a board meeting. "* *Conflicted Persons Cannot Establish Quorum.* A conflicted PLC Person shall not be determining the presence of a quorum for purposes of a vote on the matter where he or she has a conflict of interest." Your increased usefulness as Financial Manager would not seem to cover your reduced usefulness as a board member. By the way, you have not yet complied with oversight board motion 2017-14, and it has been six days. Are you planning to do so soon? The issues raised are time critical. On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 06:28:39AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > James, > > If the board has the will to appoint me as Financial Manager they can. > > Conservancy's Conflict if interest Policy defines a clear procedure for the > case: > > == Project Leadership Committees > ... > PLC wishes to recommend that Conservancy contract with a PLC Person > to carry out the work, the following criteria must be met: > > ** *Suggested Compensation.* The PLC must provide Conservancy's > Executive Director (or designee) with a suggested compensation (converted > into an hourly wage) for the technical service contractor to be retained to > fulfill the funded contract. > > ** *Independent Assessment of Credentials.* The PLC (or an unaffiliated > PLC Person) must provide Conservancy's Executive Director (or designee) > with a written assessment as to why the PLC Person is uniquely qualified > to fulfill the funded contract. > > ** *Conservancy Retains Right to Request Competitive Bids.* PLCs > acknowledge that Conservancy retains the right to ask for bids from > technical service contractors in addition to PLC Person to fulfill a > given contract. Should that instance arise, Conservancy's Executive Director > (or designee) > will consult with the PLC to select the candidate best suited to fulfill > the contract within the budget allotted. > > * *Conservancy holds Sole Authority to Negotiate and Execute Contracts.* > PLCs acknowledge that Conservancy holds sole authority > to negotiate and execute contracts on behalf of Member Projects. In > turn, Conservancy pledges to negotiate all contracts zealously, putting > the best interests of the affected Member Project first. To avoid > any conflicts, PLCs must not engage in any pre-negotiation with prospective > technical service contractors -- including PLC Persons -- beyond > collecting the terms of the technical service contractor(s)' bid. > > Regards > > Laura V > > 2017-09-08 21:52 GMT-05:00 James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org>: > > Yes, this may introduce a conflict of interest. > > Laura may be unduly influenced by a secondary interest of stipend. > > Laura can defuse the conflict by either > > 1. absenting from any discussions that involve finance, and > abstaining from any motions that involve finance, or > > 2. resigning from the oversight board. > > I don't think either are a good outcome for Sugar Labs. > > In other organisations where I am a board member, a board may cover > some costs of a board member for attending to board matters, usually > after the costs are incurred, and with independent verification of the > amount of remuneration. > > Independence is lacking in this motion. > > On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 02:12:51AM +, Caryl Bigenho wrote: > > Hello All... > > > > I came late to this discussion as we have been very busy the past few > days and > > I didn't check my email until this am. > > > > I wish to question the propriety of making the financial manager a paid > > employee who is also serving on the board. This is
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Urgent Motion: To add three contributors into the membership/election committee
On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 09:41:13PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > ... > > The motion is controversial as it is a personal closed selection of > > candidates. > > Sure, it was controversial, that much is clear, but you must accept > that the motion was agreed, and now you must do these things; > > James, > > As I feel "forced" to accept new members I have no motivation to > perform all the tasks you list. Don't feel forced. I cannot force you. > Samson and Ignacio will have to do the work derived from their > decision. I'll be sharing all with Community directly. > > I thank Lionel as he has been the only gentleman in the Board to > stand to his principles and underline decisions can not be "forced" > upon anyone. > > Motivation is all on a volunteer driven community. Indeed. I'm demotivated. I'm fearful that an underlying reason why you won't do some of what I've listed is that you can't. There may be no minutes of prior meetings, and thus there may be no prior decisions, combined with no intention to meet in future. But I'll see what others say, in the hope that I'm wrong. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Finance Committee [Was Re: [SLOBS] Motion: To appoint Volunteer Laura Vargas as Sugar Labs Financial Manager [was Re: URGENT action needed]]
Also a Treasurer, "an ex officio, nonvoting officer taking care of Sugar Labs' Finance. Currently, this position is vacant." last edited in 2011, Referenced from https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board#Additional_roles_within_Sugar_Labs Shows how infrequently the Wiki is reviewed. Your statement of purpose is highly restricted in that it only covers preparation of financial reports, so can't really be given the public term "Finance Manager" or "Treasurer". These public terms have a much wider definition that includes management of finances. On the other hand, agreed motion 2017-13 clearly defines the new term "Sugar Labs Financial Manager" without including management of finances ... so my response has ended up being a criticism of the agreed motion wording. ;-) On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 02:32:14PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > Dear SLOBS, > > It has just come to my attention Sugar Labs has a Finance Committee. > > Walter, > > You are currently referenced as the [1]Sugar Labs Finance Committee Liaison in > the SL committees wiki page, please confirm if such Committee is active and/or > if any of this information needs to be deprecated. > > I any case I had prepared a Statement of Purpose for the Financial Manager > position and hopefully will serve as my application to the Sugar Labs Finance > Committee if it is still active; > > Statement of Purpose to act as Financial Manager [and/or] Sugar Labs Finance > Committe Member for Sugar Labs Global Project > by Laura Vargas > > My purpose is to provide Sugar Labs members the service of keeping the Sugar > Labs financial reports published on two languages Spanish and English on a > timely manner on the Sugar Labs wiki page: [2]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ > Finance > > I have estimated it will take me ~20 monthly hours to perform such task, > taking > into consideration that: > > * I understand currently the Sugar Labs Project has only one (1) trusted > organization with an agreement in effect: non-profit Software Freedom > Conservancy in the United States. > > * Software Freedom Conservancy's reports publication in the Sugar Labs wiki > are > due since [3]February 2016 (1 year and 2 quarters to catch up). > > * To be able to allocate monthly time to the gardening of the Finance wiki > page, I would require Sugar Labs to sponsor the time for providing the service > and learning to use the commands to extract information from the Ledger file, > service that I propose to be provided in the form of a Fellowship with an > Stipend [and/or] office expenses, such as Internet connection, maintenance to > work equipment, etc. For reference see SLOB's Budget allocation [4]AGREED > MOTION 2017-13. > > I have an Industrial Engineer degree from the "Escuela Colombiana de > Ingeniería" and a masters degree in English for International Business and > Finance, from the "Universidad del Rosario" in Colombia. I also have a Film > and > TV Producer degree from the "New York Film Academy" in the United States > thanks > to the Ministry of Culture of Colombia and the Fulbright Scholarship Program > back in 2005. I gained large budget management skills while working in the > Film > industry. > > I have contributed to Free/Libre Software projects, specifically to Sugar Labs > since 2009. On the way I have lead many successful events, projects and > products, like Sugar Camp Lima and the resultant multi-native-languages OS > Image "Hexoquinasa" currently deployed among +40,000 learners on field. > > I have many motivations to contribute to the successful execution of the Sugar > Labs project. > > Financial reports publication has become a critical task as currently there > are > [5]no updated numbers. > > Defined responsible parties for financial reports publication will benefit > largely the Project Leadership Committe and will hopefully activate more > collaboration in the development of quality "libre" software for children. > > Regards and thanks in advance for your consideration. > > -- > Laura V. > I SomosAZUCAR.Org > > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” > ~ L. Victoria > > Happy Learning! > #LearningByDoing > #Projects4good > #IDesignATSugarLabs > #WeCanDoBetter > > References: > > [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance/Committees > [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance > [3] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance > [4] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-08-10 > [5] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] FOSS survey results 2017
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 07:41:19AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote: > Back on April our Community was invited to take part of the Open > Source Survey 2017. > > "The Open Source Survey is an open data project by GitHub and > collaborators from academia, industry, and the broader open source > community." > > Survey data available for download here: > http://opensourcesurvey.org/2017/ > > This survey was designed by GitHub with valuable input from the > research and open source communities. > > I copy and pasted the following findings about the importance of > documentation: > [...] We welcome meaningful contributions to sugar-docs and help-activity in github.com/sugarlabs. Also in the survey findings, privately drawn to my attention by another Sugar Labs participant; Negative interactions are infrequent but highly visible, with consequences for project activity. Open source brings together people from all over the world, which can lead to conflicts. While serious incidents are rare, the public nature of open source makes negative interactions highly visible. As a result, discouraging effects can extend far beyond the individuals directly involved. Setting positive expectations of behavior, and addressing negative incidents quickly, can improve contributor retention and collaboration. • 18% of respondents have personally experienced a negative interaction with another user in open source, but 50% have witnessed one between other people. It's not possible to know from this data whether the gap is due to people who experienced such interactions leaving open source, or broad visibility of incidents. Either way, negative interactions impact many more than the immediate participants, so address problematic behavior swiftly, politely, and publicly, to send a signal to potential contributors that such behavior isn’t typical or tolerated. • By far, the most frequently encountered bad behavior is rudeness (45% witnessed, 16% experienced), followed by name calling (20% witnessed, 5% experienced) and stereotyping (11% witnessed, 3% experienced). More serious incidents, such as sexual advances, stalking, or doxxing are each encountered by less than 5% of respondents and experienced by less than 2% (but cumulatively witnessed by 14%, and experienced by 3%). • Negative experiences have real consequences for project health. 21% of people who experienced or witnessed a negative behavior said they stopped contributing to a project because of it, and 8% started working in private channels more often. • Tooling that allows people to address problematic behavior directly is the most effective way of addressing harassing behavior. Blocking a user was reported to be more effective than enforcement from third parties like maintainers, ISPs/hosting services, or even legal resources. Give people tools to protect themselves. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Membership polling - why so few localizers?
I'm in agreement with Chris Leonard on this. Translators have done a great job leading up to the new release of Sugar, and they should be invited to join Sugar Labs. http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/localization/2017-September/003952.html is one such post which could have been an invitation if only it were phrased in English; the common language of the translators. ;-) Also, Abiye Anabraba <anabrabaab...@gmail.com> has repeatedly tried to be a member, but is not on the most recent member list. http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/localization/2017-August/003950.html https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/d/dc/SL_Member_List_verified_2017.ods I'd like the membership committee to follow up on Abiye and the other translators, to see if they want membership. Don't hide being procedure. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel
[11]sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [12]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > [13]http://www.sugarlabs.org > [14] > > References: > > [1] mailto:mar...@martindengler.com > [2] mailto:cbige...@hotmail.com > [3] mailto:h...@laptop.org > [4] mailto:lionel.la...@gmail.com > [5] http://emirates.com/ > [6] https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL > [7] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [8] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > [9] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [10] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > [11] mailto:sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [12] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > [13] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [14] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Systems] Social Help [was Re: New Discourse version, update available]
G'day Bernie, I agree, Mailman3 would be a useful upgrade. I'm sorry, I can't suggest any mobile friendly web IRC clients, but I've heard from others they do exist, just a matter of selecting one. Cross-linking IRC and Slack via Matrix seems all the rage on the conference circuit, but that seems mostly a way to avoid having to change clients. ;-) On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 09:09:08PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > Thankyou James for the summary and thankyou Sam for the quick response. > > As for Slack: I think it's used only by Samuel to mentor some new sysadmins. > I have to admit I'm rarely on IRC these days due to lack of a good Android > client, but I'd also recommend against adding new public communication > channels for the project. > > Would someone volunteer to update chat.sugarlabs.org? Perhaps see if there > are web IRC clients that are more mobile friendly than qwebirc? > > And Mailman3 with Hyperkitty would also be a big help for non-technical users > (forum like interface for posting to lists). > > > On September 29, 2017 6:36:19 PM EDT, Sam Parkinson <sam@sam.today> wrote: > >Thanks for replying James. Your pretty spot - that is a pretty good > >summary of the thing. > >I didn't get the email alerting about the 1-click upgrade. I'm > >clicking to apply it now. > >I've granted admin to quozl. If any sysadmin would like admin on the > >service, please send your username and I can add you via the web > >interface. If you admin, I think that will let you do 1 click > >upgrades. > >Sorry for dropping the ball on this one. > >On Sat, 2017-09-30 at 06:46 +1000, James Cameron wrote: > >> G'day Bernie, > >> > >> No, and no. > >> > >> Thanks for raising this. It is a risk to have a public service > >> unmaintained, as it can lead to it being exploited. > >> > >> Discourse is integrated with Sugar through the Social Help feature > >> [0], using the alt-shift-h shortcut or the frame icon. The feature > >> was added [1, 2] in GSoC 2014 and merged in May 2015 for Sugar 0.106, > >> with some good fixes since. > >> > >> Social Help is an underutilised feature. Rate of new posts is > >> minimal, at about two per year, and I think I'm the only person > >> responding [3]. > >> > >> Despite designed technical advantages [1] Social Help has not had the > >> popularity or numerical success of Sugar Network, and with the > >> board's > >> decision [4] to remediate Sugar Network my guess is that the Social > >> Help feature could be removed from Sugar. > >> > >> My guesses for why Social Help has not been used are; > >> > >> (a) the feature is undiscoverable, > >> > >> (b) deployments have set up their own forums, > >> > >> (c) independent users of Sugar 0.106 and later are minimal, > >> > >> (d) failed to gain critical mass. > >> > >> To answer your questions; > >> > >> 1. I'm not handling updates to Discourse; I've no access keys and > >> don't know how to do it [5]. Sam Parkinson was handling updates at > >> one stage. > >> > >> 2. I'm not using it for project communications, and I've asked those > >> who try that to use mailing lists [6]. > >> > >> You mention Slack. I don't believe we have Slack. Slack isn't > >> referenced in the Wiki, and hasn't been mentioned on mailing lists. > >> If Slack is being used, it is a private group, and the knowledge > >> hasn't been widely distributed yet. Please do that? > >> > >> We do have too many project communication options for the size of the > >> project at the moment. I'd like to see some options close. > >> > >> +CC sugar-devel@ and iaep@ since I've raised several issues that may > >> benefit from wider discussion. ;-) > >> > >> References: > >> > >> 0. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Social_Help > >> 1. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/AnaBalica/Socia > >> l_Help#Comparison_between_Discourse_and_Sugar_Network > >> 2. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/Prasoon2211/Soc > >> ial_Help > >> 3. https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/ > >> 4. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-04-2 > >> 1_2 > >> 5. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Social_Help#Todo > >> 6. https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/t/sugar-collaboration-xsce-iiab- > >> xmpp-jabber-ejabberd/226/5 > >> >
[IAEP] Social Help [was Re: New Discourse version, update available]
G'day Bernie, No, and no. Thanks for raising this. It is a risk to have a public service unmaintained, as it can lead to it being exploited. Discourse is integrated with Sugar through the Social Help feature [0], using the alt-shift-h shortcut or the frame icon. The feature was added [1, 2] in GSoC 2014 and merged in May 2015 for Sugar 0.106, with some good fixes since. Social Help is an underutilised feature. Rate of new posts is minimal, at about two per year, and I think I'm the only person responding [3]. Despite designed technical advantages [1] Social Help has not had the popularity or numerical success of Sugar Network, and with the board's decision [4] to remediate Sugar Network my guess is that the Social Help feature could be removed from Sugar. My guesses for why Social Help has not been used are; (a) the feature is undiscoverable, (b) deployments have set up their own forums, (c) independent users of Sugar 0.106 and later are minimal, (d) failed to gain critical mass. To answer your questions; 1. I'm not handling updates to Discourse; I've no access keys and don't know how to do it [5]. Sam Parkinson was handling updates at one stage. 2. I'm not using it for project communications, and I've asked those who try that to use mailing lists [6]. You mention Slack. I don't believe we have Slack. Slack isn't referenced in the Wiki, and hasn't been mentioned on mailing lists. If Slack is being used, it is a private group, and the knowledge hasn't been widely distributed yet. Please do that? We do have too many project communication options for the size of the project at the moment. I'd like to see some options close. +CC sugar-devel@ and iaep@ since I've raised several issues that may benefit from wider discussion. ;-) References: 0. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Social_Help 1. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/AnaBalica/Social_Help#Comparison_between_Discourse_and_Sugar_Network 2. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/Prasoon2211/Social_Help 3. https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/ 4. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-04-21_2 5. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Social_Help#Todo 6. https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/t/sugar-collaboration-xsce-iiab-xmpp-jabber-ejabberd/226/5 On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 01:31:46PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > Is anyone handling updates for discourse? > > Is it being used for project communication? I ask because we also have > IRC, Slack and mailing lists. > > On 29/09/17 07:57, socialh...@sugarlabs.org wrote: > > Hooray, a new version of Discourse <http://www.discourse.org> is available! > > > > Your version: 1.6.8 > > New version: *1.8.8* > > > > * > > > > Upgrade using our easy *one-click browser upgrade [...] > > > > * > > > > See what's new in the GitHub changelog > > <https://github.com/discourse/discourse/commits/master> > > > > * > > > > Visit meta.discourse.org <https://meta.discourse.org> for news, > > discussion, and support for Discourse > > > > > > > > ___ > > Systems mailing list > > syst...@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/systems > > > > > -- > _ // Bernie Innocenti > \X/ http://codewiz.org > ___ > Systems mailing list > syst...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/systems -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Code of Conduct Motion to add Anti-harassment policy - Sugar Labs
~ L. Victoria > > Happy Learning! > #LearningByDoing > #Projects4good > #IDesignATSugarLabs > #WeCanDoBetter > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [9]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [10]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > [11]http://www.sugarlabs.org > [12] > > References: > > [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Legal/Code_of_Conduct > [2] http://co.sugarlabs.org/go/C%C3%B3digo_de_Conducta > [3] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [4] http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Community_anti-harassment/Policy > [5] http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Geek_Feminism_Wiki > [6] http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ > [7] http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Community_anti-harassment > [8] http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Policy > [9] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [10] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > [11] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [12] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Technical Service Request - Project: Sugar Network
>>>>>>>>>>> “No paradox, no progress.” > >>>>>>>>>>> ~ Niels Bohr > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Happy Learning! > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > ___ > >>>>>>>>>>> SLOBs mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>> [20]sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > >>>>>>>>>>> [21]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> Walter Bender > >>>>>>>>>> Sugar Labs > >>>>>>>>>> [22]http://www.sugarlabs.org > >>>>>>>>>> <[23]http://www.sugarlabs.org> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Laura V. > >>>>>>>>> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org* > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> “No paradox, no progress.” > >>>>>>>>> ~ Niels Bohr > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Happy Learning! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Walter Bender > >>>>>>>> Sugar Labs > >>>>>>>> [24]http://www.sugarlabs.org > >>>>>>>> <[25]http://www.sugarlabs.org> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Laura V. > >>>>>>> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org* > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> “No paradox, no progress.” > >>>>>>> ~ Niels Bohr > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Happy Learning! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ___ > >>>>>>> SLOBs mailing list > >>>>>>> [26]sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > >>>>>>> [27]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Laura V. > >>>>> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org* > >>>>> > >>>>> “No paradox, no progress.” > >>>>> ~ Niels Bohr > >>>>> > >>>>> Happy Learning! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ___ > >>>>> SLOBs mailing list > >>>>> [28]sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > >>>>> [29]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> ___ > >>>> SLOBs mailing list > >>>> [30]sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > >>>> [31]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Laura V. > >> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org* > >> > >> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” > >> ~ Laura Victoria > >> > >> Happy Learning! > >> #LaMAgiaDelTiempo > >> #LearningByDoing > >> #Projects4good > >> #IMakeATSugarLabs > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> SLOBs mailing list > >> [32]sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> [33]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Walter Bender > > Sugar Labs > > [34]http://www.sugarlabs.org > > <[35]http://www.sugarlabs.org> > > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [36]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [37]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > -- > Laura V. > I SomosAZUCAR.Org > > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” > ~ Laura Victoria > > Happy Learning! > #LaMAgiaDelTiempo > #LearningByDoing > #Projects4good > #IMakeATSugarLabs > > > ___ > SLOBs mailing list > [38]sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [39]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > [40]http://www.sugarlabs.org > [41] > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [42]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [43]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > -- > Laura V. > I SomosAZUCAR.Org > > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” > ~ L. Victoria > > Happy Learning! > #LearningByDoing > #Projects4good > #IDesignATSugarLabs > #WeCanDoBetter > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [44]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [45]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > References: > > [1] https://codelabs.developers.google.com/codelabs/reCAPTCHA/index.html#0 > [2] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [3] mailto:h...@laptop.org > [4] mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com > [5] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [6] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Requesting_a_SLOBs_decision > [7] mailto:igna...@sugarlabs.org > [8] mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com > [9] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [10] mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com > [11] mailto:lionel.la...@gmail.com > [12] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [13] mailto:lionel.la...@gmail.com > [14] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [15] mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com > [16] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [17] mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com > [18] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [19] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [20] mailto:sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [21] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > [22] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [23] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [24] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [25] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [26] mailto:sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [27] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > [28] mailto:sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [29] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > [30] mailto:sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [31] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > [32] mailto:sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [33] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > [34] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [35] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [36] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [37] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > [38] mailto:sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [39] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > [40] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [41] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [42] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [43] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > [44] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [45] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) 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Re: [IAEP] contribute to sugerlabs
https://developer.sugarlabs.org/what-can-i-do.md.html is probably the most recent list of things to do. A list of pointers. As you know Arabic and English, you can also help with translations, see about half way down that list. See also https://developer.sugarlabs.org/ for more suggestions. On Mon, Sep 04, 2017 at 10:11:52AM +0300, Nada Gh wrote: > Hi James, > > I taught computational skills for first-year undergraduate and teens. > I am recently familiar with python. I am fine with Arabic& English. > > Regards, > Nada > > On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 1:02 AM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote: > > What are your skills? > > > > Do you have any programming experience and language preference? > > > > On Sun, Sep 03, 2017 at 11:08:16PM +0300, Nada Gh wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I am new in this community, I would like to contribute to sugerlabs. I > >> am a computer science master student, and I worked previously in > >> teaching. > >> Can you suggest me some possible tasks to start with? > >> > >> > >> Thanks & Regards, > >> Nada > >> > >> > >> >> href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon; > >> target="_blank"> >> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif; > >> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" > >> /> > >> Virus-free. >> href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link; > >> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com > >> > >> > >> >> height="1"> > >> ___ > >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > -- > > James Cameron > > http://quozl.netrek.org/ -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Member's List June 2017: 140 verified members
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 07:06:35PM +, Caryl Bigenho wrote: > And, exactly why were there only 3 candidates for 3 slots? Because despite the active recruitment, which I was quite conscious of, nobody much cared to get involved. It seems we have the same situation now. Three candidates for three slots was enough to complete the election without a vote in January 2017. Zero candidates for three slots now is inadequate. What are you going to do about it? Instead of putting yourself forward for this election, or asking others to, you choose to attack an election you didn't even bother with? > Because the committee did not actively recruit other candidates to > give us a real election! The year before we worked very hard to get > a larger number of candidates than there were offices (all 7 slots > were open). We did this by mass emailings and by individually > contacting people and encouraging them to run. We ended up with 10 > or 11 candidates. While that's nice that you had the time, why didn't you keep it up? > As I said before, last year's election was a sham. I strongly disagree. If I had a say, I would vote that you not be heard. > I am hoping that this year will be better. Getting a complete > up-to-date membership list is just step one. They should have done > that last year, and didn't. We did the year before. Now, lets see if > they can get a good, viable list of candidates willing to serve. > > Caryl > > ━━━ > From: qu...@laptop.org <qu...@laptop.org> on behalf of James Cameron > <qu...@laptop.org> > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 10:43:20 AM > To: Caryl Bigenho > Cc: Walter Bender; Gonzalo Odiard; Laura Vargas; iaep; Samuel Cantero > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Member's List June 2017: 140 verified members > > Caryl, that's wrong. There was no vote because the number of > candidates was equal to the number of slots. > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 04:04:11PM +, Caryl Bigenho wrote: > > This is why last year's SLOB election was such a sham! So many long time > > members/contributors were disenfranchised. > > > > Caryl > > > > > ━━━ > > From: IAEP <iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of Walter Bender > > <walter.ben...@gmail.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:25:32 AM > > To: Gonzalo Odiard > > Cc: Laura Vargas; iaep; Samuel Cantero > > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Member's List June 2017: 140 verified members > > > > [1]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/opinion/ > > donald-trump-voting-rights-purge.html?mcubz=1 > > [2][3]Opinion | The Voter Purges Are Coming > > [19guptaWeb-facebookJumbo] [1]www.nytimes.com > >We can’t let the Trump administration get away > with > >them. > > > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Gonzalo Odiard <[4]godi...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I have been removed from the list. > > What was the criteria used to remove old members? > > I am not involved in the development right now, but I see people who was > > not involved > > for a much longer time. > > > > Gonzalo Odiard > > > > On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Samuel Cantero > > <[5]scante...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Laura Vargas <[6] > la...@somosazucar.org > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Samuel, > > > > I just checked and your email is not on the original list, so it > > would be normal you didn't get either of the verification > > emails. > > > > Are you sure you went trough the new member process? If yes > > could > > you re-send to membersATsugarlabs.org the email membership > request > > or a new one if not? > > > > I didn't know about a membership process. is that really necessary > > to > > send another email for it? > > > > Will be happy to add you. > > > > Regards, > > > > Laura V > > > > > > 2017-07-06 10:44 GMT-05:00 Samuel Cantero <[7] > scante...@gmail.com>: > > > > I didn't receive the email (twice). maybe a typo in my email > > address? > > > > Best, > > > > Sam C. > > > >
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Member's List June 2017: 140 verified members
ed please follow > the [6]membership application instructions. If you > consider > someone you know deserves to be added please ask them to > follow the application instructions. > > The list is updated on the Sugar Labs Wiki at: > > [7]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List > > > Regards and thank you everyone! > > Membership Committee > -- > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [8]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [9]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > -- > Laura V. > I SomosAZUCAR.Org > > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” > ~ Laura Victoria > > Happy Learning! > #LearningByDoing > #Projects4good > #IDesignATSugarLabs > #WeCanDoBetter > > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [10]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [11]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > -- > photo Gonzalo Odiard >Lider de proyecto >[12]tel.: [13]2081-6424 y [14]2082-0312 | >[15]www.trinom.ioAv Calchaqui 4936· 2do >Piso. Quilmes >[16][f] [17][l] > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [18]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [19]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > References: > > [1] mailto:godi...@gmail.com > [2] mailto:scante...@gmail.com > [3] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [4] mailto:scante...@gmail.com > [5] mailto:la...@somosazucar.org > [6] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Applying_for_membership > [7] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List > [8] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [9] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > [10] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [11] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > [12] tel:tel.:+4210-7748 > [13] tel:2081%206424 > [14] tel:2082%200312 > [15] http://www.trinom.io/ > [16] http://www.facebook.com/trinomiosrl > [17] https://www.linkedin.com/company/trinom-io > [18] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [19] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] contribute to sugerlabs
What are your skills? Do you have any programming experience and language preference? On Sun, Sep 03, 2017 at 11:08:16PM +0300, Nada Gh wrote: > Hi, > > I am new in this community, I would like to contribute to sugerlabs. I > am a computer science master student, and I worked previously in > teaching. > Can you suggest me some possible tasks to start with? > > > Thanks & Regards, > Nada > > > href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon; > target="_blank"> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif; > alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" > /> > Virus-free. href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link; > target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com > > > height="1"> > _______ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Improving our Code of Conduct (was: Re: Code of Conduct Motion to add Anti-harassment policy - Sugar Labs)
upport Laura's motion because I think it's > necessary to write something more specific for Sugar Labs, taking > into consideration the other references listed in the page at the > least. > > Regards, > > Sebastian > > References: > > [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Conduct > [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Legal/Code_of_Conduct > [3] > http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2016-04-01T19:01:31#i_2864254 -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] Developing the Sugar Learning Platform for OEMs
Interesting, thanks. activities.default was removed in 2015, so you can avoid adding it now. https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/commit/4281eec -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Community Response Team
The situation is troubling, and affects my enjoyment of source code maintenance. ;-) After resignation of ombudsman, the response has been; - Walter thanked Bert for his help, - Laura is sad for Bert's decision, and asks to replace ombudsman with a response team, - Adam says resignation is tragic beyond words, - Sameer thanked Bert, - Samson thanked Bert, and is sad to see him go. We have not heard from Lionel or Ignacio. By majority of those present, the board both thanked Bert and regrets the resignation. There's no hurry. While we wait for the response team proposal to be discussed, the board is the default for resolving issues that would otherwise be resolved by an ombudsman. This is made clear by the Wiki "feel free to contact off-list any member of the oversight board in confidence". In general, when a board is responsible for something, they are "jointly and severally" responsible, which means they are responsible as a whole, while at the same time individually responsible. For conflict or misunderstanding within a board, there is no outside party to help, apart from the courts. In my experience, board members will work privately to resolve their individual disputes and miscommunications, and if that doesn't work they resign rather than be jointly responsible with others they cannot trust. This is because a board member remains responsible for a board decision even if they did not assent. Putting this another way; a board member cannot avoid responsibility for a decision made by the board. Last opportunity to avoid is by raising a point of order to resign just before a vote is put. It is this inability to avoid responsibility that makes boards so powerful, and yet so dangerous to themselves. We should be thankful we have a board! -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Community Response Team
Our Ombudsman was the response team. There is no need for more than one person. Also, as you are the most vocal on this, and in need of the most support, perhaps you could be our next ombudsman? -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Community Response Team
On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 11:38:36AM -0500, Walter Bender wrote: > On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Hilary Naylor <hnay...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I was very surprised to learn that the Ombudsman's ruling is not > > binding. That would certainly make it even harder to find people > > to serve in that role. > > The ruling is binding. What is lacking is any mechanism for > enforcement. The board could enforce the ruling in some way; by creating a mechanism specific to the ruling. A response team would face the same problem. A change to the terms of membership could be to make membership conditional on accepting a ruling; although the existence of the ombudsman and the board already implied this was an obligation of membership. > > I have a suggestion for a modification to the proposal for a > > Response Team. Rather that a permanent Team, make it a Team that > > is created as the need arises, and that the 3 members are agreed > > to by the persons in dispute, and that both (or all) those in > > dispute agree to abide by the Team's decision. Where should these > > Team members come from? -- All Sugar Labs community members are > > potential Team members by default except for the current SLOBs > > (and SLOBs candidates if there are any). Team members would be > > drawn by random selection, people may opt-out or be rejected by > > one or more of the disputees, and selection continues until there > > are three. > > It sounds like you are proposing a jury of one's peers. But I think > the need goes well beyond making a ruling. There is a good deal of > investigation and mediation that is not typical of the > responsibilities given to a jury. I think that the role of ombudsman > (and/or membership on a Response Team) requires a level of maturity > and experience that would be hard to guarantee in your proposed > approach. It would also take a long time; first to select the jury, then for the jury to communicate. An independent ombudsman already chosen was a faster process design. That the ruling was not enforced is a different issue. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Initial tests of Sugar on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
s directory to share it with other users. > > Tony > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > [5]sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [6]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > [7]http://www.sugarlabs.org > [8] > > References: > > [1] mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net > [2] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/activities > [3] http://github.com/sugarlabs > [4] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/ > [5] mailto:sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [6] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > [7] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [8] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] NetDispenser Project
Internet access costs are falling rapidly. "Kids earn their internet access" ... internet access as a currency has a very dynamic price, as access is sold, gifted, or shared by people at random times and with random pricing. Motivation rapidly collapses in a dynamic price environment. Unpredictability of access creates a dopamine hit similar to poker machine gambling. Best outcomes for non-addiction are seen from unrestricted and consistently available access at low cost. Lowest cost for a child is adult-organised access by their care giver. Monetary achievements can work for some children, but only where they can operate in a free and open economy. As economies vary in their support for children, my preference is to concentrate on the utility of the software and exclude consideration of considerations. The license of Sugar and activities does not prevent your charge per use model, as the source code remains accessible and free to anyone who chooses to escape a walled garden. So this project would seem to be orthogonal to Sugar, and there's no stepping on toes anticipated. May I suggest the following improvements; 1. provide for a way for the kids to exchange credits with each other, which will give the money more value, and; 2. add AI to detect inevitable gaming of the system, Learning under duress has a long history, so I don't see a problem with learning still happening within a monetary system. As a mechanism for remote supervision of children by an absent care giver, it does not seem likely to succeed. Use cameras and microphones instead, combined with _random_ feedback to the children on what is observed. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [sugar-devel] Wiki Page created for all Sugar Labs 2018 Goal Submissions
I liked it. It was helpful direction, even though SLOB was uninvolved. As for me, I've been working on maintain Sugar desktop and core activity set, maintain infrastructure services for contributors, maintain activities.sugarlabs.org, and maintain an active community of developers. I've been supporting others who chose some of the other goals. On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 02:41:29PM -0800, Alex Perez wrote: > Folks/SLOBs, > > Five months ago, I spent a not-insignificant amount of time triaging the > unstructured list of proposed goals for 2018, at > [1]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/ > go/Goals/2018_Submissions, only to have literally ZERO responses once I sent > the e-mail below, back in July. > > Not one SLOB responded. 2018 is now six weeks from being over, and it is clear > that the majority of current Sugar Labs Oversight Board members can not even > be > bothered to show up to a majority of their SLOB meetings in 2018, much less > actually do anything else. > > [2]Alex Perez > July 8, 2018 at 1:09 PM > Sameer, > > I've taken a first stab at Wiki-fying the user submissions from the Google > Form, which were collected between February 13th and March 27th of this > year. > > Please see [3]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Goals/2018_Submissions and as > always, feel free to add/expound on the initial ideas, using the links to > add details to each specific sub-page. > > Regards, > Alex Perez > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [4]IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [5]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > References: > > [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Goals/2018_Submissions > [2] mailto:ape...@alexperez.com > [3] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Goals/2018_Submissions > [4] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [5] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Switching sugarlabs.org to Backdrop CMS
Backdrop CMS is a lightweight content management system for non-profits. Backdrop CMS joined the Software Freedom Conservancy recently, and Sugar Labs is also part of SFC. Have we any volunteers interested in converting the web site and content to Backdrop? It seems to have all the features needed, and may help to release our volunteers to work on more important things, such as Music Blocks, Turtle Blocks, Sugarizer, Sugar, or activities. Steps; * [ ] establish a list of volunteers, * [ ] build a list of requirements and acceptance criteria, * [ ] check for alternate CMS implementations, * [ ] verify we have consensus to proceed, * [ ] verify oversight board is in favour, * [ ] instantiate the CMS, * [ ] copy content from old site, * [ ] maintain content. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Meeting Reminder
It has nothing to do with soas, f28 or f29; you will see the same failure on every system. You must register to test. > On 5 Oct 2018, at 08:40, Thomas Gilliard wrote: > > It is impssible to login to sugar irc on f28 and f29 soas due to these > registration requrements > > > >> On 10/4/18 3:33 PM, James Cameron wrote: >> At the moment the issue with Freenode requires all of us to register before >> we can speak. >> >> This impacts new people. It makes their joining as complicated as any other >> service with registration requirements. >> >> As D. Joe has observed, if we had our people watching, we could notice new >> people to let them speak. We would need to enable this, and somehow cover >> the different time zones. As we don’t have enough coverage now to answer >> the simplest questions from the people we have, we would need some >> commitment. That would be the next step in that plan. >> >> I don’t know of any other service we could use that doesn’t require some >> sort of registration. >> >> We might set up an IRC server ourselves, but then we take on the defence >> problem that Freenode does for us. >> >> We do have a Jabber server, but I don’t know if it has been attacked in the >> same way. >> >> On 5 Oct 2018, at 07:38, Walter Bender wrote: >> >>> We will be meeting tomorrow (Friday, 5 October) at 20UTC [1] (4PM in >>> Boston) on irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting (See [2]). >>> >>> Note that there has been a SPAM issue on Freenode of late (See the email >>> from James I have forwarded below). We should discuss potential solutions. >>> >>> Also on the agenda: >>> >>> * GSoC travel >>> * GCI 2018 >>> * [your topic here] >>> >>> regards. >>> >>> -walter >>> >>> [1] https://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx >>> [2] https://webchat.freenode.net/ >>> >>> -- >>> Walter Bender >>> Sugar Labs >>> http://www.sugarlabs.org >>> >>> ___ >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> >> >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Meeting Reminder
At the moment the issue with Freenode requires all of us to register before we can speak. This impacts new people. It makes their joining as complicated as any other service with registration requirements. As D. Joe has observed, if we had our people watching, we could notice new people to let them speak. We would need to enable this, and somehow cover the different time zones. As we don’t have enough coverage now to answer the simplest questions from the people we have, we would need some commitment. That would be the next step in that plan. I don’t know of any other service we could use that doesn’t require some sort of registration. We might set up an IRC server ourselves, but then we take on the defence problem that Freenode does for us. We do have a Jabber server, but I don’t know if it has been attacked in the same way. > On 5 Oct 2018, at 07:38, Walter Bender wrote: > > We will be meeting tomorrow (Friday, 5 October) at 20UTC [1] (4PM in Boston) > on irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting (See [2]). > > Note that there has been a SPAM issue on Freenode of late (See the email from > James I have forwarded below). We should discuss potential solutions. > > Also on the agenda: > > * GSoC travel > * GCI 2018 > * [your topic here] > > regards. > > -walter > > [1] https://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx > [2] https://webchat.freenode.net/ > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Gsoc Mentor Stipends
That's great, thanks to the mentors! On Tue, Jan 01, 2019 at 12:15:42AM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote: > Hello all, > > I am writing to update the community about the decision for using > the Google money towards marketing. The mentors all agreed that it > is going to be a great idea to use the funds to promote the Sugar > Labs tools by having promotional swags, like T-shirt, stickers, and > mugs. > > Here on this mail are the mentors that made the agreement. So the > marketing team will have to make a plan for the Oversight Board to > properly agree to make it a budget for marketing. > [...] -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] New Nielsen Norman study on children's user interfaces
Thanks, interesting. The summary is useful. If anyone has purchased a full copy or accessed it through their university, please let us know what you think. Sugar Labs could purchase a group license, and make it available to members only, but to make that decision we'd need to know it was worth the price. The price is very small compared to the money we have. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019
Heh. Sorry about that. Uninvolved in the event-planning mailing list, is what I was saying. You're quite involved, I know. But you don't want to be involved in the event-planning mailing list, so that's fine. We have 43 people to draw from; that's who voted at the recent election. I want to make sure the people who want to be involved in something work together. While it's nice to say we have 238 subscriptions to IAEP, most of them aren't involved or reading any longer. On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 10:06:47PM +, Caryl Bigenho wrote: > To Everyone... > > I am saddened and a bit discouraged by James' comments about Tony and I being > "too busy to be involved." There wouldn't have been anyone at SCaLE ever if I > were not involved. There would be no Primero1° if I had not been involved. > There would be no small deployment at a women's shelter in Los Angeles if I > had > not been involved... etc, etc, etc. > > And as for Tony Anderson... his involvement is totally incredible, and most of > it is done "on his own dime." The problem is some people are so impressed with > all the things that they do that they lose sight of the fact that many others > are also toiling and "fighting the good fight." > > Wake up! We are a team. We need to all work together, each in our own way > according to our own skills, abilities, and interests. No one here should put > themselves on a pedestal and declare themselves better than anyone else as > James has done in his note to Alex, sent to all of us below. > > Caryl > ━━━━━━━ > From: IAEP on behalf of James Cameron > > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:04 PM > To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org > Subject: Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019 > > Thanks Alex, > > Don't worry about Tony and Caryl. Like the other 230 or so > subscribers, they are too busy to be involved. Rest of us on > event-planning can keep them updated with occasional posts to IAEP. > > In other words; we split our messaging; for the too busy uninvolved we > will say different things to what we say to the involved. > > It is ever thus, in all our mediums. > > -- > James Cameron > [1]http://quozl.netrek.org/ > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > [2]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > References: > > [1] http://quozl.netrek.org/ > [2] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > _______ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019
Thanks Alex, Don't worry about Tony and Caryl. Like the other 230 or so subscribers, they are too busy to be involved. Rest of us on event-planning can keep them updated with occasional posts to IAEP. In other words; we split our messaging; for the too busy uninvolved we will say different things to what we say to the involved. It is ever thus, in all our mediums. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] GCI design tasks
Yes, Wiki would be better idea, for metadata and presentation. http://people.sugarlabs.org/peaceojemeh/GCI18/ is difficult to browse; have to click on each file, which is time consuming. Also, no idea who did what design. Loss of credit. On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 08:03:52PM +0100, Peace Ojemeh wrote: > Thanks Jaskirat for the suggestion. > > But I had already created one earlier, some file couldn't upload(error:files > are large), sunjammer came to the rescue :) > > here are some of the ones on [1]wiki > > Regards. > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 at 18:21, Jaskirat Singh <[2]juskirat2...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Thanks Peace > > Well in the previous GCI, I created a wiki page to collect all the design > related promotional work of GCI student in this wiki [3]https:// > wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Marketing_Materials > So I would suggest that if you can paste all the designs here so that they > could be kept on the wiki record too. > > Thanks > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 10:46 PM Peace Ojemeh <[4]perriefide...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Greetings, > > Here are the [5]designs from GCI'18. > > Regards. > -- > Peace Ojemeh(Perrie) > Twitter: [6]https://twitter.com/Peace_Ojemeh > Email: [7]perriefide...@gmail.com > [8]peaceoje...@sugarlabs.org > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > [9]sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [10]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > -- > Jaskirat Singh > > Designer, Developer and community member at Sugar Labs > Open Source Initiative Member > Google Code-In Mentor (2017) for Sugar Labs at Google > Google Summer of Code mentor (2018) for Sugar Labs at Google. > > > -- > Peace Ojemeh(Perrie) > Twitter: [11]https://twitter.com/Peace_Ojemeh > Email: [12]perriefide...@gmail.com > [13]peaceoje...@sugarlabs.org > > References: > > [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/GCI%2718_Design_Tasks > [2] mailto:juskirat2...@gmail.com > [3] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Marketing_Materials > [4] mailto:perriefide...@gmail.com > [5] http://people.sugarlabs.org/peaceojemeh/GCI18/ > [6] https://twitter.com/Peace_Ojemeh > [7] mailto:perriefide...@gmail.com > [8] mailto:peaceoje...@sugarlabs.org > [9] mailto:sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [10] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > [11] https://twitter.com/Peace_Ojemeh > [12] mailto:perriefide...@gmail.com > [13] mailto:peaceoje...@sugarlabs.org > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Marketing Opportunity @ SCALE 17x (DotOrg Booth)
G'day Caryl, Answering your specific questions; > What do we have to "market" and who is our target audience? Sugar, Sugarizer, and Music Blocks. Teachers of elementary school age students. > Do we have any compelling stories to tell... Mexico? Haiti? > Pakistan? Or??? I don't, personally. I'm never amazed at what children can do, given half a chance. More amazing for me is what children can't do because they've been told they can't. > Will anyone else besides the folks in SoCal be here to help "man" > the booth for 3-Days(3/8-3/10)? Not I, too far. > Do we have anything special to offer as "swag"? No. You might make some business cards with the Sugar Labs logo, your name as a member, and a QR code for the web site. One is attached, or use a QR code generator online and add the Sugar Labs logo to the centre. > What new software can we show? Music Blocks and Sugarizer are newer than before. > Running on what new hardware? Any hardware with a modern web browser. An OLPC NL3 is suitable. Don't use an OLPC XO to show Music Blocks or Sugarizer; isn't the target and doesn't work. > Can we offer some hands-on experiences for people there? You may. Especially also provide a return path for feedback. None of the above needs the board or marketing team to assent or remove any blockages; use your initiative. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Marketing Opportunity @ SCALE 17x (DotOrg Booth)
G'day Caryl, Thanks. Looks like a good opportunity. Apart from answers to your questions, which are more to do with software and hardware than the project, is there anything you think the board should be asked to decide? At the moment I don't think the board is needing to decide anything, as our members can direct themselves, but welcome your thoughts. On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 06:12:11PM +, Caryl Bigenho wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Once again we have been offered a FREE booth at one of the country's top open > source conferences. I have to let Bala know by the 19th if we would like to > take advantage of this opportunity. So here are the questions we must consider > before committing ourselves to this ... > > What do we have to "market" and who is our target audience? > Do we have any compelling stories to tell... Mexico? Haiti? Pakistan? Or??? > Will anyone else besides the folks in SoCal be here to help "man" the booth > for > 3-Days(3/8-3/10)? > Do we have anything special to offer as "swag"? > What new software can we show? Running on what new hardware? > Can we offer some hands-on experiences for people there? > > Please discuss! We did not participate in SCaLE in 2018 but did every year > from > 2008-2017. > > My email service is acting up and I have to send this out in "batches" as > entering some of your names erases everything!!! Put your replies on the IAEP > list so everyone can see them. > > Thanks, > Caryl Bigenho > > ━━━ > From: Hriday Balachandran > Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 6:49 PM > Subject: SCALE 17x DotOrg Booth > > Hi there, > > As we look to filling the expo floor, your organization has been invited back > to SCALE, and we are offering you a free booth in recognition of your group's > excellent open source contributions. > > SCALE 17x will be held between March 7 and March 10, 2019, and the expo floor > will tentatively be from 1400 on March 8, till 1200 on March 10. > > Please let me know within the next 10 days if I should hold the booth for > you. > > Thanks. > > Bala. > _______ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Stage II November: Election
I've also nominated myself. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018-2020-candidates -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] Meeting Reminder
://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2018-12-07T22:24:47.html
[09:25:18] Log:
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2018-12-07T22:24:47
[09:26:03] MrBIOS: seems to be working now. actions taken;
familiarise, invoke-rc.d supybot {stop,start}
[09:26:21] great
[09:26:35] it was just not running
[09:26:41] <-- perrie has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[09:26:50] is the service configured to start by default?
[09:26:55] looking at logs above, i think it was running, just that
walterbender did not startmeeting.
[09:27:42] ah
[09:27:52] yes, i'm fairly sure it is configured to start by default.
the process was present, as was the nick here.
[09:28:12] also, for the record…correction, Kano, Nigeria is ~3.9
million, estimated, at present
[09:28:52] we should probably capture the meeting logs somehow (put
them in a github gist?)
[09:29:08] I dont know how it was done before, when the meetbot was
absent
[09:29:10] i'll reply to walter's mail on sugar-devel@ with a copy and
paste.
--
James Cameron
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting Reminder
On Sun, Dec 09, 2018 at 06:35:56PM -0500, Dave Crossland wrote: > On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 at 09:09, Walter Bender wrote: > On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 8:04 PM Dave Crossland wrote: > > Thanks for sharing the logs! > > FWIW, the logs from every meeting are available in the wiki: https:// > wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Minutes > > Thanks for the reminder! > > However, I don't read them, unless they come across my inbox :) Agreed. Many people are inbox fixated. When working with those who aren't willing to satisfy your fixation, there are alternatives. Add a Wiki account, add e-mail address to it [1], set "Email me when a page or a file on my watchlist is changed" then add the Minutes page to your Watchlist [2]. Yeah, too hard. References: 1. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:Preferences 2. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:EditWatchlist -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How to navigate sugar-desktop (actually the Journal activity?) in my vanilla F29
Yes, the bug was detected in July 2017, but that was with pre-release software that we wouldn't have had newbies using. It wasn't until our collective inaction had matured and the release of Fedora and Ubuntu happened that newbies began to see it. Yes, an "errata" could be useful, but that brings the problem of maintaining the errata. I've made a start here; https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/labels/errata Not all bugs are present in all releases. The combinational matrix of bugs vs releases of Fedora or Ubuntu would probably cost someone half an hour a week to keep an errata article up to date. If you're willing to maintain that, thanks! https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Getting_Started is terribly out of date as well. So few people updating the Wiki now that most work has moved to GitHub. What tends to happen is that someone says something on the Wiki, and it sits there never verified for years. Almost like nobody is willing to verify and remove old information. At heart, we aren't rowing in the same boat. Each boat is rowing in a slightly different direction. On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 01:47:13AM -0500, Kevin wrote: > Ok. But it looks like this bug has been a problem since July 2017? I > wonder how many sugar newbies tried it and gave up in the 17 or so > months since then? > > In retrospect, it occurs to me that if I had used google to search for > "sugar journal bug" then I could have avoided taking the time to write > this lengthy post describing this problem, but it just didn't occur to > me that it could have been a bug before you brought the bug to my attention. > > So what about a wiki article entitled "errata" or something similar that > would be a single place that could change more frequently as bugs and/or > other events come and go? Then perhaps all of the various pages that are > designed to help newbies like me install sugar could point to the errata > page? And for now (until this bug gets fixed), that might help other > sugar newbies with the current problem. > > I think a good first place to direct newbies to this errata article > might be at https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Getting_Started (that was one > of the first pages I read). > > If that would be helpful, I'll volunteer to do it (write the errata > article and link to it in the Getting Started article). Or should I ask > about this in another list maybe? > > > On 11/26/18 1:31 AM, James Cameron wrote: > > Perhaps, but the bug isn't specific to Fedora. It happens also on > > Debian, Ubuntu and others, as soon as they upgrade Metacity. > > > > I'd prefer we fix the bug than document it everywhere, because after > > the bug is fixed people keep finding documents that refer to it. > > > > Also, I'm not sure > > https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation is > > current; it has old references to Fedora 24 and Windows 7. > > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 01:21:25AM -0500, Kevin wrote: > >> Oh! Ok. Thanks for explaining, James! Would it be helpful if I added some > >> words > >> about this bug to the [1]wiki article that got me started? > >> > >> On 11/26/18 1:15 AM, James Cameron wrote: > >> > >> Thanks for the report. > >> > >> You're hitting a known bug we are working on. > >> > >> Press F3 key to show the home view, or move the mouse to the corner, > >> wait for the Frame to appear, and select the home view that way. > >> > >> [2]https://help.sugarlabs.org/en/home_view.html > >> > >> The bug was introduced by the Metacity window manager and is being > >> tracked in several places; > >> > >> [3]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/issues/769#issuecomment-441350118 > >> [4]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/issues/368 > >> [5]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1519042 > >> > >> You can take a screenshot with Alt-1, and it will be added to the > >> Journal, but it isn't necessary, I know what you've hit. > >> > >> If you know any developers interested in helping to fix this, send > >> them to me! > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 01:04:25AM -0500, Kevin wrote: > >> > > >> When I enter my kid's username and password at the gnome display > >> manager in F29 > >> and select the Sugar desktop, I do see the "Click to change > >> color:" screen. > >> After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose > >> gender. > >> After I click "Next" on this s
Re: [IAEP] How to navigate sugar-desktop (actually the Journal activity?) in my vanilla F29
Perhaps, but the bug isn't specific to Fedora. It happens also on Debian, Ubuntu and others, as soon as they upgrade Metacity. I'd prefer we fix the bug than document it everywhere, because after the bug is fixed people keep finding documents that refer to it. Also, I'm not sure https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation is current; it has old references to Fedora 24 and Windows 7. On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 01:21:25AM -0500, Kevin wrote: > Oh! Ok. Thanks for explaining, James! Would it be helpful if I added some > words > about this bug to the [1]wiki article that got me started? > > On 11/26/18 1:15 AM, James Cameron wrote: > > Thanks for the report. > > You're hitting a known bug we are working on. > > Press F3 key to show the home view, or move the mouse to the corner, > wait for the Frame to appear, and select the home view that way. > > [2]https://help.sugarlabs.org/en/home_view.html > > The bug was introduced by the Metacity window manager and is being > tracked in several places; > > [3]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/issues/769#issuecomment-441350118 > [4]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/issues/368 > [5]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1519042 > > You can take a screenshot with Alt-1, and it will be added to the > Journal, but it isn't necessary, I know what you've hit. > > If you know any developers interested in helping to fix this, send > them to me! > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 01:04:25AM -0500, Kevin wrote: > > Hi all, and thanks for making and sharing sugar. It looks like > wonderful > software. > > I'd like to introduce my 8yo kid to sugar, so I installed vanilla F29 > on an old > MacBook Pro, updated all installed software via yum (no apparent > problems with > that much), and then I followed the instructions I found [1]here: > > == > > Using Sugar as a Desktop Environment > > Install Fedora. Then, in a Terminal, type: > > sudo dnf groupinstall sugar-desktop > > Then restart your computer. At the Sign in select the Sugar desktop. > > == > > I did that, and after having done so, I don't have the same > experience that I > see when I go to [2][6]https://try.sugarizer.org. > > When I visit [3][7]https://try.sugarizer.org I see two options to > click: "New > user" and "Login", so I chose the former. Then I see "Choose name" > and I type a > trial name in to the text field and click "Next". Then I see "Choose > at least 4 > images:" and I click on "a", "b", "c", and "d" and then click "Next". > And now I > see "Click to change color:", and here is where there is one page > that has some > common features with my F29/Sugar desktop environment. So I click > until I like > a color combination for my trial XO character and then click "Done." > Then I see > a spinny icon and shortly afterwards I see my XO character at the > center of a > spiral of Activity icons that I suspect is very familiar to everyone > here (what > I think of as the Sugar desktop). > > But this differs in some important ways from what I see in my > F29/Sugar desktop > environment. > > When I enter my kid's username and password at the gnome display > manager in F29 > and select the Sugar desktop, I do see the "Click to change color:" > screen. > After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose > gender. > After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose a > grade. > After I click "Done" on this screen, I don't see my XO character at > the center > of a spiral of Activity icons like I do at > [4][8]https://try.sugarizer.org. I > don't see anything like it at all. I can't take a screenshot of it > because the > screen seems to have no functionality for that at all. In the middle > of a white > screen I see a gray icon of a three-ring binder and the phrase: "Your > Journal > is empty". In the black top bar or "title bar", I see a small gray > magnifying > glass search icon in a white text box that reads "Search in Journal" > on the far > left, and then proceeding from left to right, I see a white star, > then a white > box i
Re: [IAEP] How to navigate sugar-desktop (actually the Journal activity?) in my vanilla F29
. But I can exit this screen and return to > the spiral of Activity icons by clicking the dot-in-circle icon. There is no > way I can find to exit the Journal activity in my F29/Sugar desktop. > > When I burned the SoaS iso to a DVD-R and booted into that on this old MacBook > Pro, I had the exact same experience as I described above when logging into > this vanilla F29 OS and selecting the Sugar desktop within the gnome display > manager. > > So my question is, how do I make my F29/Sugar desktop (apparently just the > Journal activity) look something like what I see at [8]https:// > try.sugarizer.org (which I think is what I'm supposed to be seeing: the Sugar > desktop)? > > As it is now, the only thing I can really do in my F29/Sugar desktop is to > kill > -9 the only running process that I see owned by my kid's account when I issue > the "[alpha@localhost ~]$ w" command (/usr/libexec/gdm-x-session --run-script > sugar). I do this while logged into F29 as another user in either a virtual > console or in the gnome desktop environment running a terminal window. Then I > can login as my kid again and go through the same stuck-in-journal-activity > loop. How do I break out of this loop? > > I asked about this yesterday in IRC as Nick dr02020, and walterbender > suggested > that I try the F29 vanilla installation that I have now done. Thanks for the > suggestion, Walter, but I have the same problems in F29 too. > > Thanks for any suggestions on this dilemma. I'm excited to see how my kid does > in sugar and hope I can do so in our own computer rather than strictly at [9] > https://try.sugarizer.org. > > Best, > > Kevin > > References: > > [1] https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/fedora.md > [2] https://try.sugarizer.org/ > [3] https://try.sugarizer.org/ > [4] https://try.sugarizer.org/ > [5] https://try.sugarizer.org/ > [6] https://try.sugarizer.org/ > [7] https://try.sugarizer.org/ > [8] https://try.sugarizer.org/ > [9] https://try.sugarizer.org/ > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How to navigate sugar-desktop (actually the Journal activity?) in my vanilla F29
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 05:30:30PM -0500, Frederick Grose wrote: > I had success with this patch. See > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1519042#c16 Thanks for testing! In our development meeting just now, I said nobody had tested, and I was wrong, by three minutes. Well timed! -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] How to navigate sugar-desktop (actually the Journal activity?) in my vanilla F29
on. There is no > way I can find to exit the Journal activity in my F29/Sugar desktop. > > When I burned the SoaS iso to a DVD-R and booted into that on this old MacBook > Pro, I had the exact same experience as I described above when logging into > this vanilla F29 OS and selecting the Sugar desktop within the gnome display > manager. > > So my question is, how do I make my F29/Sugar desktop (apparently just the > Journal activity) look something like what I see at [8]https:// > try.sugarizer.org (which I think is what I'm supposed to be seeing: the Sugar > desktop)? > > As it is now, the only thing I can really do in my F29/Sugar desktop is to > kill > -9 the only running process that I see owned by my kid's account when I issue > the "[alpha@localhost ~]$ w" command (/usr/libexec/gdm-x-session --run-script > sugar). I do this while logged into F29 as another user in either a virtual > console or in the gnome desktop environment running a terminal window. Then I > can login as my kid again and go through the same stuck-in-journal-activity > loop. How do I break out of this loop? > > I asked about this yesterday in IRC as Nick dr02020, and walterbender > suggested > that I try the F29 vanilla installation that I have now done. Thanks for the > suggestion, Walter, but I have the same problems in F29 too. > > Thanks for any suggestions on this dilemma. I'm excited to see how my kid does > in sugar and hope I can do so in our own computer rather than strictly at [9] > https://try.sugarizer.org. > > Best, > > Kevin > > References: > > [1] https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/fedora.md > [2] https://try.sugarizer.org/ > [3] https://try.sugarizer.org/ > [4] https://try.sugarizer.org/ > [5] https://try.sugarizer.org/ > [6] https://try.sugarizer.org/ > [7] https://try.sugarizer.org/ > [8] https://try.sugarizer.org/ > [9] https://try.sugarizer.org/ > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Trip Report during visit to GSOC Summit
Thanks. Text of document inserted below, for our mailing list archives, as we do lose access to Google Documents later if accounts are compromised. -- Journey To GSOC events, USA I never expected that this would be one of the turning points in the life. My journey to Google gave me opportunity to learn and explore new things in the current world. I was given the chance to represent Sugar Labs at Google Summer of Code Meetup in Google Office, San Francisco, California, USA. This was really an amazing experience meeting prodigious people from different organisations and other communities especially the Google Open Source Team all over the globe. L to R: Joshua Simmons(Google), Jaskirat Singh me and Cat Allman (Google) (me) & Stephanie Taylor (Google OSPM) The major importance of this meetup was to connect with background Contributors i.e. students with the real time organisations and their missions. This meetup had various people including Google Code In and Google Summer of code students, mentors and organization administrators. I connected with many people especially students in order to explain the functionality and product service of Sugar Labs. I had a very nice time spending hours with Mifos, Liquid Galaxy, Catrobat, and other organisation org admins: talking about collaboration and networking. GSOC Meetup pic at Google San Francisco Many students at this meetup were quite interested to know about the Sugar and make their contribution in the next GSOC that is GSOC’2019. I tried partnering with Liquid Galaxy here in order to introduce Turtle Blocks and Music Blocks in their laptops which they recently launched in order to expand within educational institutions. These laptops were similar to the Chromebooks. The best time I had here was when I was demonstrating about the productivity of Sugar Labs especially Turtle Blocks and they were looking deeply into its codebase. Then I moved to Sunnyvale for attending the GSOC Mentor Summit. The blood ran into my spine when the Stephanie Taylor ( GSOC Open Source Team member ) introduced about me at Summit. The GSOC mentor Summit was a 3 day “unconference”. The people from different participating organisations proposed and held various session that included about Open Source, Organisation, projects, and other miscellaneous topics. Opening Ceremony of GSOC Summit Organising sessions During the starting ceremony the Google Team instructed and explained us about importance of this summit. It was indeed pleasure to meet Devin Ulibarri (SL Org Admin in GSOC); discussing about the past histories of Sugar Labs and new plans for it. I discussed my idea of organising the Sugar Labs Summit once in the year. So maybe this gonna be covered in my next upcoming doc. Devin explained me about the Music and Music Blocks project going in the Japan went he had been there. We also discussed about new User interface features for the Music Blocks and Turtle Blocks like creating a “New Tab window”, “Theme Changer”, etc. Pic with Devin Ulibarri ( Sugar Labs ) I along with Devin attended many session, but the one I liked most was Google Season of Docs (GSOD). This session was lead by Sarah Maddox, a tech writer at Google who talked about of bringing more tech writers into Open Source projects. “GSoD is similar to Google Summer of Code but focuses on docs and technical writers, rather than on code and students. The target participants are experienced tech writers who can work with us on our docs. The writing part of GSoD will run for 3 months, similar to GSoC. Another difference is that the technical writers will not be earning stipends, they will be doing this to learn more about open source code and working on developer focused docs with code and building their resume.” So this was really interesting topic to know and understand about it. I really want to see this that how this will impact on Open Source organisations. This deck has more details about this program https://goo.gl/3Bpris It was really good when Devin introduced the Music Blocks project that was done by Riya Lohiya in GSOC’18 under the SL org. Although his talk was restricted to 3 mins, Devin was able to express beautifully within that time perfectly. ( While Devin was explaining about the Riya Lohia’s project ( an intern in Sugar labs under GSOC’18 ) ) I also organised a session and talked about Open Source Social Networking platform. Discussed this with Google Open Source Team too and they were really glad and wanted to see that how it come up. Having lunch with Karen Sandler from Software Freedom Conservancy including other member project member was really fun. We discussed supporting the member projects, some new offers and projects that
Re: [IAEP] Meeting Log
On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 02:33:52PM +0100, Ojemeh Peace Ozioma wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Here is the log for today's meeting: > [1]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Meetings/2018-09-15 Thanks. Sorry, I couldn't make it. I was travelling and didn't realise that the meeting was on that date. Now I see you said the second Friday of the month. You might mention the date in your next announcement. I've reviewed the log, and have some comments; The horse is in front of the cart; Perrie and Jaskirat speak as if the design team is for creating new features or improving existing features. That's not how we have worked at Sugar Labs. Features are proposed more generally, and the design team is for coordinating the developers when developers ask for coordination. We have a weekly development team meeting each week on #sugar-meeting, and can handle feature discussions there already. Please do not restrict new features to this new design team. New features are to come from developers, learners, teachers, and integrators. Use the Issues in GitHub. Use the Features pages in the Wiki. Only if coordination is needed should a design team be needed. Add the [DESIGN] tag to subject line on mailing list. Walter's changes to the toolbars don't need much coordination yet; next steps are to prepare a mock-up, discuss on mailing list, work out what software components must change, and then begin the change. Jaskirat wants the icons to match Microsoft Windows; again this doesn't need much coordination yet; please prepare a mock-up, discuss on mailing list, add an icon theme choice to My Settings, and add the new theme to Sugar Artwork component. Perrie wants to fix the font sizes and widget styles for large displays. This is a bug not a feature. Use the Issues in GitHub. Please make the changes to gtk-widgets.css files, test, and create a new pull request in GitHub for Sugar Artwork component. Above all, don't expect other people to develop your feature for you; you will likely have to do it yourself. Only exceptional features with much interest will have volunteers joining in to develop. Hiding an unpopular and not agreed feature inside GSoC project or GCI task is no substitute for transparency, and will often not be merged. The later discussion about the Sugar Labs logo shouldn't be part of the design team; it's not a developer issue, and doesn't need developer coordination. Please use the marketing team, or if they don't respond, use the iaep and sugar-devel mailing lists to get wide community input. Confining the discussion to this design team will bring up complaints about not consulting widely enough. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 131, Issue 2
n this distribution, > > * optional, > > 14. Join the Internet Relay Chat channel #sugar > > irc://[21]irc.freenode.net/#sugar > > * for synchronous chat with others, > > * requires registration with [22]freenode.net, > > * optional, > > 15. Join the Internet Relay Chat channel #sugar-meeting > > irc://[23]irc.freenode.net/#sugar-meeting > [24]http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/ > > * for meetings, but keep your own transcripts and minutes, > > * requires registration with [25]freenode.net, > > * optional, > > 16. Maintain an Activity > > > [26]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/contributing.md > #checklist---maintainer > > * many learner focused activities (apps) need simple maintenance, > > * adopt an activity you like as your focus. > > Hope that helps! > > Looking forward to your contributions > [cleardot] > > -- > > Ibiam Chihurumnaya > [27]ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 3:46 PM EBIKIENMO BIO-IBOGOMO > <[28]ebi4rea...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi I'm AB, > I would like to apply for the position of an assisting mentor. > > On Wednesday, February 6, 2019, <[29]iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org> > wrote: > > Send IAEP mailing list submissions to > > [30]iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > [31]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [32]iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [33]iaep-ow...@lists.sugarlabs.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of IAEP digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2019 call for assisting mentors > > (Amaan Iqbal) > > > > > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 20:03:26 +0530 > > From: Amaan Iqbal <[34]amaaniqbal2...@gmail.com> > > To: James Cameron <[35]qu...@laptop.org> > > Cc: Sugar-dev Devel <[36]sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org>, iaep > > <[37]iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org> > > Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2019 call for assisting mentors > > Message-ID: > > <[38] > canx20esm8dt_euibu+_vjywh0u+lewmud3+zcsc5nohdhrd...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I am interested in mentoring a few of the following projects: > > > > - Reconciling rhythm with pitch in Music Blocks widgets > > <[39]https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2019.md# > reconciling-rhythm-with-pitch-in-music-blocks-widgets> > > - Expand Sugarizer Exerciser activity > > <[40]https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2019.md# > expand-sugarizer-exerciser-activity> > > - Write activity for Sugarizer > > <[41]https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2019.md# > write-activity-for-sugarizer> > > - Colored desktop and activity icons > > <[42]https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2019.md# > colored-desktop-and-activity-icons> > > - Improve Sugarizer Server Dashboard > > <[43]https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2019.md# > improve-sugarizer-server-dashboard> > > > > But I am unsure of the time which I would be able to allocate during > > May-June due to some specific reasons. I will mostly be available during > > July-August. > > > > So I need some time to confirm whether I would be able to mentor or not. > > > > Can the board members please tell until when can an organization add > > mentors to GSoC? And if there is any other pre-requisite to be done from > my > > side to be eligible to mentor. > > > > > > Regards, > > Amaan, > > GCI Mentor, > > SugarLabs > > > > On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:13 AM James Cameron <[44]qu...@laptop.org> > wrote: > > > >> A cal
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2019 call for assisting mentors
G'day Amaan, Thanks for your interest. When you have had the time to confirm, please make a pull request to our GSoC 2019 Ideas, or if you can't do that let me know and I'll make one for you. We did change requirements for mentors, as you can see here; https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2019.md#coding-mentors https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2019.md#assisting-mentors Our GSoC 2019 Ideas shows who have offered to be mentors. Sugar Labs will select mentors based on those offers and the student proposals received. It might be all of the mentors, it might be a few of them, we can't really know yet. Walter will be the most involved, but don't go trying to contact him directly, that's unfair on everyone else. Timeline for GSoC 2019 is here https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline I don't know if there is a final date for mentors to apply, and I'm not sure if the question makes sense. As an organisation we agree to; * "Select and invite trusted, capable, and qualified mentors", * "Oversee activity of all mentors and students ensuring responsibilities are being met", and; * "Ensure adequate and appropriate mentoring coverage, particularly near holidays". https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/responsibilities Given the timeline; * mentors _should_ get themselves listed by 26th February so that the ideas are well defined, and the mentors are visible when the mentoring organisations are published, and; * mentors _must_ get themselves listed or delisted before the 9th April student proposals deadline. Hope that helps! On Wed, Feb 06, 2019 at 08:03:26PM +0530, Amaan Iqbal wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I am interested in mentoring a few of the following projects: > > • [1]Reconciling rhythm with pitch in Music Blocks widgets > • [2]Expand Sugarizer Exerciser activity > • [3]Write activity for Sugarizer > • [4]Colored desktop and activity icons > • [5]Improve Sugarizer Server Dashboard > > But I am unsure of the time which I would be able to allocate during May-June > due to some specific reasons. I will mostly be available during July-August. > > So I need some time to confirm whether I would be able to mentor or not. > > Can the board members please tell until when can an organization add mentors > to > GSoC? And if there is any other pre-requisite to be done from my side to be > eligible to mentor. > > Regards, > Amaan, > GCI Mentor, > SugarLabs > > On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:13 AM James Cameron <[6]qu...@laptop.org> wrote: > > A call for "assisting mentors" for the GSoC 2019 project ideas. > > You don't need to be able to code. Please reply to the mailing list(s) if > you'd like to help with non-coding mentoring, including gathering > requirements, visual design, testing, or deployment. > > Here's a proposed list; > > [7]https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/ > 4afd32d144fd0a8df67ed89c58e412ad160e3616/Ideas-2019.md > > -- > James Cameron > [8]http://quozl.netrek.org/ > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > [9]sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [10]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > References: > > [1] > https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2019.md#reconciling-rhythm-with-pitch-in-music-blocks-widgets > [2] > https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2019.md#expand-sugarizer-exerciser-activity > [3] > https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2019.md#write-activity-for-sugarizer > [4] > https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2019.md#colored-desktop-and-activity-icons > [5] > https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2019.md#improve-sugarizer-server-dashboard > [6] mailto:qu...@laptop.org > [7] > https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/4afd32d144fd0a8df67ed89c58e412ad160e3616/Ideas-2019.md > [8] http://quozl.netrek.org/ > [9] mailto:sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [10] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Pycon Cleveland 2019
I've not checked what times are available to you; but from experience with exhibitions and shows the most exciting times are just after opening and before lunch. After lunch is very quiet but picks up mid-afternoon. Last hours before dinner are quieter. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] GSoC 2019 call for assisting mentors
A call for "assisting mentors" for the GSoC 2019 project ideas. You don't need to be able to code. Please reply to the mailing list(s) if you'd like to help with non-coding mentoring, including gathering requirements, visual design, testing, or deployment. Here's a proposed list; https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/4afd32d144fd0a8df67ed89c58e412ad160e3616/Ideas-2019.md -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] GCI summit travel
I approve. On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 10:07:04PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: > I've been selected by the GCI winners to represent SL at the summit next > month. > Google has provided US $1500 for travel (all other expenses are directly > covered by Google.) I anticipate that the total cost of my trip will be < US > $1000. I'd like approval from SLOB before booking my flight. > > regards. > > -walter > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > [1]http://www.sugarlabs.org > [2] > > References: > > [1] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [2] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs changing directions
This is good news. Thanks to Walter, Karen, and Devin for working on this. For our part, One Laptop per Child continues to support Sugar Labs through; 1. making laptops available with Sugar preinstalled, 2. continuing maintenance of Sugar on deployed laptops, 3. my work as release manager, and chair of the oversight board. On Mon, May 06, 2019 at 10:15:35AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: > For those of you who were not able to attend the most recent Sugar Labs > oversight board meeting [1], on 3 May, I wanted to share with you an important > decision made by the board. > > Sugar Labs has been a member project of the SFC since 2008 and operated under > the SFC guidelines during that period. For the most part it has been a > productive and amicable relationship but there have been a few bumps in the > road, when Sugar Labs community members have had difficulty adhering to some > of > the SFC guidelines. After several attempts to foster a less contentious > relationship, it was determined that the best course of action is to make a > change. > > The board unanimously passed a motion to form a 501(c)(3) with the intent of > moving Sugar Labs resources, infrastructure, and funds into it. [2] > > Devin Ulibarri, our Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) liaison communicated > this decision to Karen Sandler, the executive director of the SFC, who > responded that the SFC would "be happy to help form the new organization." > > Personally, I consider our membership in the SFC as a way-point along a > continuing journey to bring the best in Free/Libre software to education. > While > I appreciate the work we have done with the SFC for more than ten years, I > look > forward to a new model of independence for Sugar Labs. > > The oversight board will keep the community informed of our progress towards > establishing the 501(c)(3) organization. Community input, as always, is most > welcome. > > regards, > > Walter Bender on behalf of the Sugar Labs oversight board > > [1] [1]http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2019-05-03 > [2] [2]https://www.501c3.org/what-is-a-501c3/ > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > [3]http://www.sugarlabs.org > [4] > > References: > > [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2019-05-03 > [2] https://www.501c3.org/what-is-a-501c3/ > [3] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [4] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > _______ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fedora 30 (Release Candidate 1) SoaS images ready for testing
On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 10:27:44AM -0700, Alex Perez wrote: > Folks, > > Just under the wire, we have managed to get some critical Sugar on a Stick > issues fixed, which are now included in Fedora 30 SoaS images. I would like to > extend a very special thanks to Peter Robinson, who took time out of his busy > schedule to assist in getting the Fedora packages updated with the necessary > fixes and patches. Thank you, Peter. This will be the first Fedora SoaS in > several releases to have functional collaboration within Sugar, and it is > thanks to your work, as well as community testers who take the time to test > these new packages, and report back with the results. Yay. > For those who would like to test ot use Fedora 30 Sugar on a Stick, Release > Candidate 1, you can download these ISO images, and use DD, win32diskimager, > or > your preferred raw image writing utility to stick the contents on a USB drive. By the way, since kernel 2.6 there has been no difference between "raw" and nomral, so cat(1) and pv(1) are just as useful. For people who want an easier user experience, try etcher.io > Alternatively, these ISOs can be booted as a Virtual Machine, using > VirtualBox, > Parallels, Hyper-V, and other virtualization software. > > Here are your download links: > > For 32-bit machines: [1]http://bit.ly/Fedora-30-RC1-SoaS-32-bit (891 megabyte > ISO) > For 64-bit machines: [2]http://bit.ly/Fedora-30-RC1-SoaS-64-bit (942 > megabytes) > > Here is what's been fixed: > > * Sugar 0.113 is included by default > * Collaboration works out of the box > * Able to connect to jabber.sugarlabs.org when configured (this is related to > the fix for collaboration, thanks to James Cameron for this) > * A [3]patch/hotfix to 0.113, which resolves Sugar 0.113 starting up. Special > thanks to Rahul "Pro-Panda" Bothra for this contribution. > > The final release of Fedora 30 is expected to be made between April 30th and > May 7th, depending on a number of factors. The F30 release schedule is > documented at [4]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/30/Schedule > > Regards, > Alex Perez > Sugar Labs Oversight Board Member > > References: > > [1] http://bit.ly/Fedora-30-RC1-SoaS-32-bit > [2] > https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/30_RC-1.1/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-30-1.1.iso > [3] > https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/commit/a83257bcf791e237afb55ed37f04d776f0fd927b > [4] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/30/Schedule > ___________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] GCI background
work. It is imperative that we maintain consistent and high > standards for all submissions. > > Finally, as I said at the start, GCI is fun. Enjoy. > > regards. > > -walter > > > > [0] [3]lists.sugarlabs.org/sugar-devel > > [1] [4]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code_In_2019#Getting_set_up_on_IRC > > [2] [5]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code_In_2019 > > [3] [6]https://codein.withgoogle.com/ > > [4] [7]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code_In_2019# > This_is_a_stub_for_25.2B_example_tasks_new_for_GCI_2019. > > [5] [8]https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/ > > [6] [9]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/contributing.md > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > [10]http://www.sugarlabs.org > [11] > > References: > > [1] http://irc.freenode.net/ > [2] https://developers.google.com/open-source/gci/help/responsibilities > [3] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/sugar-devel > [4] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code_In_2019#Getting_set_up_on_IRC > [5] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code_In_2019 > [6] https://codein.withgoogle.com/ > [7] > https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code_In_2019#This_is_a_stub_for_25.2B_example_tasks_new_for_GCI_2019 > [8] https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/ > [9] https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/contributing.md > [10] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > [11] http://www.sugarlabs.org/ > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] How constructivism changed education
By Luke Zaphir, Researcher for the University of Queensland Critical Thinking Project; and Online Teacher at Education Queensland's IMPACT Centre, The University of Queensland. http://theconversation.com/knowledge-is-a-process-of-discovery-how-constructivism-changed-education-126585 -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Cognitive load theory
John Sweller, Emeritus Professor, UNSW, writes on cognitive load theory, which "explains why explicit guidance from teachers is more effective in teaching students new content and skills than letting them discover these for themselves." http://theconversation.com/the-126519 -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] From OLPC XO To Positivo: Rwanda Sets The Bar Higher
Thanks Samson. For Sugar Labs, the most important part is "the machines will have the same modules (interface) for children lesson," so there's an opportunity for Sugar Labs to remain involved. I don't know what operating system REB are using, but OLPC OS 18.04.0 based on Ubuntu 18.04.2 and Sugar will likely work straight away on PC-compatible laptops, and can be customised and rebuilt. Our OLPC servers do see update requests from countries were we have not distributed our PC-compatible laptops, which is cool. On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 12:17:21PM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I saw this article online, and I thought it should be an interesting read[1]. > > [1][1]https://ktpress.rw/2019/11/ > from-olpc-xo-to-positivo-rwanda-sets-the-bar-higher/ > > Regards > > -- > > Samson Goddy > > Twitter: [2]https://twitter.com/samson_goddy > Email: [3]samsongo...@sugarlabs.org > [4]samsongo...@gmail.com > > Website: [5]https://samsongoddy.me/ > > References: > > [1] > https://ktpress.rw/2019/11/from-olpc-xo-to-positivo-rwanda-sets-the-bar-higher/ > [2] https://twitter.com/samson_goddy > [3] mailto:samsongo...@sugarlabs.org > [4] mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com > [5] https://www.sugarlabs.org/ > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] I want to help
Welcome. What is it you design? I ask because the verb "design" covers a multitude of technologies and arts. The word is ambiguous. On Sat, Oct 05, 2019 at 07:00:14AM +0100, Daniel eche wrote: > Hello my names Daniel Eche, I am a designer , and I would love to > be part of sugar. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Google Code-in 2019
Nice to have so many people wanting to be involved in mentoring, but you must be involved in Sugar Labs. Please use and test Music Blocks, Sugarizer, and Sugar. Please post about your tests; what worked well, what didn't work, and if you can use GitHub create issues. Where you have selected mentoring for coding, write some more code. Where you have selected mentoring for design, get involved in user experience research or user interface design and interaction. Where you have chosen mentoring for documentation, write some more documentation. You can't teach what you don't do. Google says this in https://developers.google.com/open-source/gci/faq#how_can_i_be_a_mentor_for_google_code-in "You should already be a participant in the organization/open source project that you wish to be a mentor for." After past experiences I'm not interested in mentors who don't know what Sugar Labs software does or how it can be used. Such mentors are disruptive. They say things that are wrong. They make technical decisions in ignorance. In short, they misrepresent our community of designers, developers, and documenters. Mentors who don't even have time to try out our software can avoid this dissonance by; - passing on to others questions that are outside their knowledge, - asking public questions on behalf of a student, - when time is of the essence, approve a task and leave the details of how it is tidied up to the people who know best, When a student asks you a question in private you don't know the answer to, don't make something up yourself. Get them involved in community and communicating in the open; Google says this in https://developers.google.com/open-source/gci/help/responsibilities#to_your_students "Mentor Responsibilities ... to your Students ... Help and/or teach the student how to ... be a part of your community ... communicate more effectively and in the open". Hope that helps! -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] Poll Results Oversight Election 2019-21
Thanks Devin. I acknowledge your apology for the meeting. Please post a summary to the oversight board mailing list of anything you would have said at the meeting. On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 08:32:58AM -0500, Devin Ulibarri wrote: > Hi, > > I do not think we should meet today because we do not have enough time to > reach > consensus for a meeting time today. > > I will not be able to meet this Weds at the scheduled time. > > I could meet any Monday of the month at 8pm UTC > > In general, 8pm-10pm UTC is going to cause a lot of conflicts with my schedule > unless it lands on a Sunday (EST). > > Devin > > On Sun, 2020-02-02 at 17:43 -0500, Claudia Urrea wrote: > > Thank you. Do we have a time for the next meeting? > > Claudia > > On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 10:52 AM Oloruntola Ore-Aruwaji <[1] > temitopet...@gmail.com> wrote: > > congrats to the newly elected members > > On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 10:49 AM Vipul Gupta <[2] > vipulgupta2...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello folks, > The election for the Sugar Labs Oversight Board 2019-21 ended on > 31st January 2020. There were 3 Oversight Board slots to be > elected > for the 2019-2021 period. The winning candidates are listed as > follows. > > 1. Claudia Urrea > 2. Ibiam Chihurumnaya > 3. Rahul Bothra > > Heartiest congratulations to all, hope to see new and amazing > initiatives come up from the board in the upcoming years. As the > election administrator, I would like to thank the people who > participated, voted and helped out to make this process convenient > & accessible to all. I hope to make it better next year. As > always, > happy to take up any questions/feedback on the conclusion of this > election. > > Best, > Vipul > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > [3]sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [4]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > ___ > SLOBs mailing list > [5]sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [6]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > > ___ > SLOBs mailing list > [7]sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [8]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > > References: > > [1] mailto:temitopet...@gmail.com > [2] mailto:vipulgupta2...@gmail.com > [3] mailto:sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [4] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > [5] mailto:sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [6] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > [7] mailto:sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [8] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > ___ > SLOBs mailing list > sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] Poll Results Oversight Election 2019-21
Not yet, sorry. Discussion is ongoing in a private thread "[SLOBS] Discussion February Meeting Time". No consensus reached. Unless we do agree on a change, the "20:00 UTC first Wednesday of each month" convention continues to apply. That's Wednesday, 2020-02-05 at 20:00 UTC. On Sun, Feb 02, 2020 at 05:43:56PM -0500, Claudia Urrea wrote: > Thank you. Do we have a time for the next meeting? > > Claudia > > On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 10:52 AM Oloruntola Ore-Aruwaji <[1] > temitopet...@gmail.com> wrote: > > congrats to the newly elected members > > On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 10:49 AM Vipul Gupta <[2]vipulgupta2...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hello folks, > The election for the Sugar Labs Oversight Board 2019-21 ended on 31st > January 2020. There were 3 Oversight Board slots to be elected for the > 2019-2021 period. The winning candidates are listed as follows. > > 1. Claudia Urrea > 2. Ibiam Chihurumnaya > 3. Rahul Bothra > > Heartiest congratulations to all, hope to see new and amazing > initiatives come up from the board in the upcoming years. As the > election administrator, I would like to thank the people who > participated, voted and helped out to make this process convenient & > accessible to all. I hope to make it better next year. As always, > happy > to take up any questions/feedback on the conclusion of this election. > > Best, > Vipul > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > [3]sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [4]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > ___ > SLOBs mailing list > [5]sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [6]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > > References: > > [1] mailto:temitopet...@gmail.com > [2] mailto:vipulgupta2...@gmail.com > [3] mailto:sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [4] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > [5] mailto:sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [6] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > ___ > SLOBs mailing list > sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Important Update on the Slob Elections 2019-2021
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 09:03:55PM +0530, Vipul Gupta wrote: > ... > You can find the information regarding the election and the > candidates here, > https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2019-2021-candidates > (We are still migrating information of candidates and will finish > that up soon) My error, sorry. I've migrated the candidate pages now. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Oversight Board Elections 2019-21 has begun!
Thanks Vipul. It works, I voted. Please add memb...@sugarlabs.org and sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org to the election results destination? This will be more transparent. We had memb...@sugarlabs.org on the results destination in previous years. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:21:13PM +0530, Vipul Gupta wrote: > Hello folks, > The Oversight Board election 2019-21 is upon us. In your inboxes, you would > have received a unique email from CIVS or [1]c...@cs.cornell.edu with the > options to poll for the candidates. > > The poll is open from 15th January 2020 to 31st January 2020. You can find > more > information on the candidates here [2]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ > Oversight_Board/2019-2021-candidates. > > Please check your spam folders or promotions if you can't find it. Add the > email address to your contact list and mark as not spam when you find it. > As always, looking forward to hearing any questions you all would have. Do > cast > your vote! > > Best, > Vipul Gupta > [3]Mixster | [4]Github > > References: > > [1] mailto:c...@cs.cornell.edu > [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2019-2021-candidates > [3] https://mixstersite.wordpress.com/ > [4] https://github.com/vipulgupta2048 > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Oversight Board Elections 2019-21 has begun!
G'day Vipul, For the bouncing addresses, keep the list and after the election give it to the membership and elections committee; they are responsible for maintaining the membership list. The list you provide will help them do their job. For the results, I thought what was sent was the result of the election, which will be visible to all voters anyway using a URL? If there's more detail being sent by the voting software to the distribution list, then choose one or two other people to add, such as Walter and myself. On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:24:29AM +0530, Vipul Gupta wrote: > Hello folks, > Good to see everyone can vote and the election is going fine. We did have > technical difficulty at the start but I am working on resolving that. > We did have a number of email addresses of the members bounce as their alias > didn't exist (About 30+). I would request if you do know of any past or > present > members of Sugar Labs and didn't receive the election link. Then please do > come > forward to update your email address, so we can send you links to the election > as well. The voter turnout is at 8% and I think we can do better! > > Thanks Ibiam for covering that bit, if anyone would like to be a member of > Sugar Labs they can apply here - [1]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/ > Members > > James, do you have access to [2]memb...@sugarlabs.org alias? If you do can you > remove the candidates that are up for election? In the meantime, I will add > SLOB to the results. That's a good idea. Thanks, > > Best, > Vipul > > Best, > Vipul Gupta > [3]Mixster | [4]Github > > References: > > [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members > [2] mailto:memb...@sugarlabs.org > [3] https://mixstersite.wordpress.com/ > [4] https://github.com/vipulgupta2048 > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
