Re: Happy birthday IBM Research
In a message dated 10/16/2005 2:34:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it to death on butter." She lived in the mountains of western North Carolina where there are many such quaint sayings, and, as far as I know, she never sucked eggs. >> Too busy running from the ferocious hoop snakes -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Read French? What do you make of http://www.hosthelponline.com/ ?
Bruno is quite right. These fora, those that I examined anyway, are, however, puerile in content, so elementary as to be of little value. A francophone forum for job seekers, 'consultants' (or, in franglais, 'freelancers'), and recruiters may well be useful. The technical discussions are more problematic: Most francophone SYSPROGS read and write English well enough to participate in IBM-MAIN technical exchanges. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA From: Bruno Sugliani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Read French? What do you make of http://www.hosthelponline.com/ ? Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:59:30 -0500 On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:32:13 EDT, Bill Fairchild <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The website listed above is a service to match mainframe job hunters with >mainframe recruiters. I saw nothing on the first page having to do with Dino's >or zSeries, but "mainframe" was mentioned. It is a free service from 15 OCT >to 30 NOV. After that date I don't know what happens. Not quite The part that is free for 6 weeks seems to be the job matching part. I had a further look : There is a forum where questions about rexx ,clist, assembler , OPC , Vsam ,cobol etc are asked and sometimes answered . and this is free Bruno Bruno(dot)sugliani(at)groupemornay(dot)asso(dot)fr -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Read French? What do you make of http://www.hosthelponline.com/ ?
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:32:13 EDT, Bill Fairchild <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The website listed above is a service to match mainframe job hunters with >mainframe recruiters. I saw nothing on the first page having to do with Dino's >or zSeries, but "mainframe" was mentioned. It is a free service from 15 OCT >to 30 NOV. After that date I don't know what happens. Not quite The part that is free for 6 weeks seems to be the job matching part. I had a further look : There is a forum where questions about rexx ,clist, assembler , OPC , Vsam ,cobol etc are asked and sometimes answered . and this is free Bruno Bruno(dot)sugliani(at)groupemornay(dot)asso(dot)fr -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is a Hurricane about to hit IBM ?
In a message dated 10/16/2005 4:14:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: when i was an undergraudate ... i got involved in project to reverse engineer the ibm channel interface and build our own controller ... someplace there was a write-up blaiming us for inception of clone controller business Reminds me of this oft-encountered sequence: The six phases of a project: 1. Initial excitement 2. Confusion 3. Disillusionment 4. Search for the guilty 5. Punishment for the innocent 6. Praise and honor for the non-participants Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is a Hurricane about to hit IBM ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > This project paid for a large number of full-time IBM programmers > under their Federal Systems Division who were working at this > facility near Houston, among whom were the two original developers > of HASP, Tom Simpson and Bob Crabtree. HASP evolved into JES2, > recently discussed in another thread. > > I don't think it is conspiratorial if you try accurately to predict > the national economy 6 to 12 months into the future. I think it is > better referred to as realism. If your predictions happen to be > based on real facts that are unknown to or disbelieved by the > masses, then so be it. my wife did a stint in jes group reporting to crabtree ... working on architecture ... took a look at how to merge jes3 mutli-system operation with jes2 multi-access spool (there was even a period where executive direction that there would be no new jes2 development ... it would all go into jes3). this was before she got con'ed into going to be pok to be in charge of loosely-coupled architecture. some past collected hasp-related postings http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hasp there was a thread in a totally different n.g. in the mid-90s that was looking at doing economic predictions for 2020 (25 years out). a shorter term item looked at as part of this was that y2k remediation work was looming with requirements for significant additional resources. however, it happened to correspond to the internet bubble ... which was siphoning off all available resources into high flying internet jobs. not a lot of people were paying attention that somewhat as a result, a lot of legacy bread & butter work was going offshore (at least not until much later after it was already a fait accompli). i had the misfortune to predict that the company would go into the red ... about the time the corporate committee was predicting world-wide revenues were going to double from $60b to $120b ... and were spending enormous amounts on adding additional manufacturing capacity. i don't think they really understood the shift going on in computing processing to open & commodity priced hardware. the scenario was somewhat a continuation of the economic analysis that had been behind some of the justification for future system ... some collected fs postings http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#futuresys ... note, i hadn't faired much better with FS ... at the time, i would periodically draw analogies between the FS project and a cult film that had been playing continuously for several years down in central sq (which didn't exactly make friends with enormous number of people backing FS). one reference mentioning FS http://www.ecole.org/Crisis_and_change_1995_1.htm from above: IBM tried to react by launching a major project called the 'Future System' (FS) in the early 1970's. The idea was to get so far ahead that the competition would never be able to keep up, and to have such a high level of integration that it would be impossible for competitors to follow a compatible niche strategy. However, the project failed because the objectives were too ambitious for the available technology. Many of the ideas that were developed were nevertheless adapted for later generations. Once IBM had acknowledged this failure, it launched its 'box strategy', which called for competitiveness with all the different types of compatible sub-systems. But this proved to be difficult because of IBM's cost structure and its R&D spending, and the strategy only resulted in a partial narrowing of the price gap between IBM and its rivals. ... snip ... part of the subject was the advent of clone controllers. when i was an undergraudate ... i got involved in project to reverse engineer the ibm channel interface and build our own controller ... someplace there was a write-up blaiming us for inception of clone controller business http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#360pcm -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is a Hurricane about to hit IBM ?
In a message dated 10/2/2005 1:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >how many people know where the spring '68 SHARE meeting was held? I do for one. Headquarters hotel was the Shamrock Hilton in downtown Houston. >How many attended? I did, for one. >Did you get to have a tour of the local large installation? Yes. I think it was on Friday, which is typically a slow day at SHARE. A large bunch of us SHARE attendees were bused to the Manned Spacecraft Center near Houston, where we saw a roomful of IBM 360/75s churning out work and crunching numbers, all paid for by FEDS (also known as NASA) under the Project Apollo program which was implementing the following statement by the then late President JFK: “I believe this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to Earth. ... in a very real sense, it will not be one man going the moon ... it will be an entire nation.” [25 MAY 1961; speech to a special joint session of Congress] This project paid for a large number of full-time IBM programmers under their Federal Systems Division who were working at this facility near Houston, among whom were the two original developers of HASP, Tom Simpson and Bob Crabtree. HASP evolved into JES2, recently discussed in another thread. I don't think it is conspiratorial if you try accurately to predict the national economy 6 to 12 months into the future. I think it is better referred to as realism. If your predictions happen to be based on real facts that are unknown to or disbelieved by the masses, then so be it. Real fact: almost all large American businesses are now the recipients of large funding by various U.S. government programs as well as supported indirectly by special tax breaks. I have no knowledge that IBM is receiving any special treatment in this regard, but they have had a large Federal Systems Division for many decades that does work under contracts that are publicly and competitively bid on, just as many other large companies do. I have read alternative news items discussing the [conspiratorial] idea that the U.S. Federal Reserve System is intervening to support the U.S. stock markets, but I have never read anything that claims the U.S. is supporting IBM disproportionally more than it supports all other big businesses, either directly through contracted work or indirectly through tax breaks or possible stock market manipulation. Competitively achieved contract awards are publicly documented (I think in Commerce Business Daily). Tax breaks are publicly documented in the Congressional Record. Stock market manipulation is a matter of opinion. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Dynamic change LOGCLS from IEASYSXX?
On Oct 16, 2005, at 8:34 AM, Knutson, Sam wrote: Hi, While there are some advantages to OPERLOG I don't see IBM getting rid of SYSLOG support anytime soon. We use $AVRS to archive SYSLOG and also have OPS/MVS OPSLOG for recent past debugging and research. OPSLOG is very powerful with the ability to examine any system in the Sysplex remotely and apply filtering to what you are looking at. OPERLOG would not buy us much we don't already have and would be another change at a time when we are struggling to manage the changes we HAVE to make before the end of the year, before we get R6 installed, before we get the next CEC installed, etc. I think if I did not have OPSLOG I would probably be more interested in activating OPERLOG for use in problem determination. Consolidated logs without filtering would not be much help since the message volume on some LPARs is already too much to see anything meaningful in without a good front end like OPSLOG Browse. I don't think IOF or SDSF provide useful filtering. Getting insight on problems by reviewing message logs from large z/OS systems is like drinking from a fire hose:-) SNIP-- Which brings up a question, which has something to do with syslog/operlog. Just curious as to which installations give full viewing of syslog/operlog to *ALL* individuals? Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Happy birthday IBM Research
In a message dated 10/15/2005 3:57:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >If memory serves me, they (IBM) try and patent a lot of stuff that >really has not real technical value. Sounds like a numbers game to me. Yes, IBM does innovate. And some of their patents are filed not for innovation purposes but rather for obfuscation. E.g., if you have invented X and are about to implement it in your new line of processors/DASD/whatevers, you file a dozen patent applications claiming that U, V, W, X, Y, Z, et al., are new ways to do your new innovative thing in your processors/DASD/whatevers. This greatly slows down the reverse engineering done by your competitors which frantically begins when you first start shipping your new line of processors/DASD/whatevers. There is more than one reason to file a patent application. Or, as my late grandmother used to say, "there are more ways to kill a dog than by choking it to death on butter." She lived in the mountains of western North Carolina where there are many such quaint sayings, and, as far as I know, she never sucked eggs. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Read French? What do you make of http://www.hosthelponline.com/ ?
In a message dated 10/16/2005 10:11:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >A new web ring submission for Dino's is in French. If you speak both >French and zSeries take a look and let me know what you make of it. It >doesn't seem very robust from what I can see. Anyone setting up a >dedicated forum folder for GDG may not really have much to offer but I >could be wrong... >http://www.hosthelponline.com/ The website listed above is a service to match mainframe job hunters with mainframe recruiters. I saw nothing on the first page having to do with Dino's or zSeries, but "mainframe" was mentioned. It is a free service from 15 OCT to 30 NOV. After that date I don't know what happens. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Eliminating HSC with CA-1?
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:07:23 -0400, Thomas Conley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >One of my current clients is telling me that they were told by CA that the >new releases of CA-1 allow you to run an STK robotic library without HSC. I >can't seem to find any hard doc on this. Does anybody know if this can be >done and how? > >Regards, >Tom Conley > Just think about that and you know it can't be true. How could CA software work to control the robotics (proprietary hardware)? I could see ExLM not being needed. ExLM is used to sync the scratch status of tape volumes in the HSC Contol Data Set with the tape management software. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America and Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programming expert at http://Search390.com/ateExperts/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Read French? What do you make of http://www.hosthelponline.com/ ?
Hi, A new web ring submission for Dino's is in French. If you speak both French and zSeries take a look and let me know what you make of it. It doesn't seem very robust from what I can see. Anyone setting up a dedicated forum folder for GDG may not really have much to offer but I could be wrong... http://www.hosthelponline.com/ Helpful comments OFF-LIST please would be appreciated. Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 "Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast..." <> This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Eliminating HSC with CA-1?
Tom, NO, CA-1 does not allow you to run any robotic library directly. Even with the new Distributed Tape Support that was added (so that Tivoli, Arcserve, Legato and Veritas can be tracked directly within CA-1's database) there is still a need for robotic software to interface between the mid-range backup product and the robot itself. We do have a "real-time scratch" interface to STK now, so that we can notify HSC in real-time as a tape goes scratch (no more post-processing a scratch-list report). But that is a long way from running the robot without software. Russell Witt CA-1 Level-2 Support Manager -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Conley Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 9:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Eliminating HSC with CA-1? One of my current clients is telling me that they were told by CA that the new releases of CA-1 allow you to run an STK robotic library without HSC. I can't seem to find any hard doc on this. Does anybody know if this can be done and how? Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Eliminating HSC with CA-1?
wow! CA-1 can now manage the Powderhorns via LMU ? another case of "Software superior by Design" ... ? - ravi. Thomas Conley wrote: One of my current clients is telling me that they were told by CA that the new releases of CA-1 allow you to run an STK robotic library without HSC. I can't seem to find any hard doc on this. Does anybody know if this can be done and how? Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Dynamic change LOGCLS from IEASYSXX?
Hi, While there are some advantages to OPERLOG I don't see IBM getting rid of SYSLOG support anytime soon. We use $AVRS to archive SYSLOG and also have OPS/MVS OPSLOG for recent past debugging and research. OPSLOG is very powerful with the ability to examine any system in the Sysplex remotely and apply filtering to what you are looking at. OPERLOG would not buy us much we don't already have and would be another change at a time when we are struggling to manage the changes we HAVE to make before the end of the year, before we get R6 installed, before we get the next CEC installed, etc. I think if I did not have OPSLOG I would probably be more interested in activating OPERLOG for use in problem determination. Consolidated logs without filtering would not be much help since the message volume on some LPARs is already too much to see anything meaningful in without a good front end like OPSLOG Browse. I don't think IOF or SDSF provide useful filtering. Getting insight on problems by reviewing message logs from large z/OS systems is like drinking from a fire hose:-) Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 The best packed information most resembles random noise. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DOMINGUEZ MARTIN, ANGEL LUIS Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Dynamic change LOGCLS from IEASYSXX? Only as a suggestion.. why not moving to logger/operlog and get rid off syslog? It was introduced ten years ago and in any moment IBM could force us to change. If you want, take a look at 513 CBT file. angel luis dominguez bbva - spain PD: From "The speed of dark" by Elizabeth Moon (sorry for possible bad translation) Fear change and it will destroy you. Join it and shall grow up. <> This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Things that need work on the CBT Tape
Hi Folks, Every once in a while, if there is some program on the CBT Tape that needs fixing, and I don't have time to do it, I'll put out a request for someone to fix it, on [EMAIL PROTECTED] . If there are any takers (or "attempters"), they should write back to me, or to the list, that they are going to try to fix Program X from File nnn. Then I'll communicate with them, and we'll monitor how the progress is going. Since we want to maintain quality control, and we don't want a bunch of slightly different versions of the same program floating around, but we'd rather combine the advantages of ALL versions into one program if possible, I reserve the right to supervise the proceedings and decide which fixes actually go onto the CBT Tape. (Of course, I'll try to be reasonable.) If you have any suggestions to make this process better, please post a message and we'll have a discussion. A lot of times, only one person might actually attempt to do a fix, so a question of "multiple fixes to the same program" might not actually come up. In any case, it is easy to "check out" an existing version of a given program, so you can work on it. Just download it from the CBT Tape site, www.cbttape.org - CBT, or (preferably) from Updates, if the file is there. Since everything is public, of course I can't control who "checks out" what program (nor do I want to). But the hope is that the [EMAIL PROTECTED] group can become a vehicle to encourage quality control and enhancements to the many tools on the CBT Tape(s). We can even take "change requests" like IBM does. If you have any, send them to me, and I can post the current change request list in "Files" at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please list "File number" and "program name" in your request, so we can keep them in some order. I think, over time, that everyone who joins [EMAIL PROTECTED] will somehow participate in this "fun", and learn and benefit from it. What do you think? All the best Sam Golob -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
