DFSORT - rounding up in OUTREC calculations.
I have a user who is trying to perform some calculations in the following DFSORT OUTREC statement: OUTREC=(1:29,44,X, (93,4,BI,MUL,+1024,DIV,+56664,DIV,+15),M1, (101,4,BI,MUL,+1024,DIV,+56664,DIV,+15),M1,42X) He is getting errors as the result of the DIV function is rounded down. Is there any way to get the result rounded up if it is > .5, he has tried adding 0.5, but gets a syntax error on the decimal point. Tim This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are only for the use of the person to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying or dealing in any way whatsoever with this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please reply to us immediately and delete the document. It is the recipient's duty to virus scan and otherwise test the enclosed information before using the information or loading attached files onto any computer system. Adelaide Bank Ltd does not warrant that the information contained in this e-mail is free from viruses, defects, errors, interception or interference. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where that sender specifically states them to be the views of Adelaide Bank Ltd. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Allowing Joe User into TSO
Steve Grimes wrote: I apologize in advance for not knowing the best list to send this question to. (Perhaps ISPF-L? But I'm not a subscriber there.) I'm proposing to our systems folks that we allow a "user" to use TSO to get to the Zeke Work Center function. I'm being told that there is no way for us to limit what the user can do if we let them intoTSO. Sounds like bullshirt to me. Any user with ATTRIBUTES=RESTRICTED will require that _every function_ they need be explicitly authorized, regardless of any existing UACC settings. -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research & Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Allowing Joe User into TSO
Hi, This is actually able to be accomplished in several ways. You can use a program like CMDLGOFF on file 416 of the CBT tape, or, (even easier), you can set up the "logon" rexx exec (the parm on the execute statement of the logon proc) to have the following: (this example lets a user into VPS's VMCF option only, if they exit it in any way, it logs them off) signal on novalue signal on halt "ispfallo" [this is your normal ispprof allocation clist/rexx stuff)] "ISPSTART PGM(VM81ISPF) NEWAPPL(VMCF) PARM(SRV(VSV))" [load them to VMCF] halt: "LOGOFF" exit pretty simple, and it works, which makes it even better. You can also use the STACK command (or one like it) from the CBT tape, but I think the example above is better because it's simple and effective. Brian Westerman -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Allowing Joe User into TSO
It can be done. We provide logons for some of our operations people which could be considered very restricted with privileges needed to manage printers for instance. RACF-L is the best place to go for HOWTO advice on RACF but IBM-MAIN covers just about anything too. RACF-L From http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/racf/racf-l.html The RACF-L Discussion List Customers and IBM participants may also discuss RACF on the RACF-L discussion list. RACF-L is not operated or sponsored by IBM, but is run by the University of Georgia. To subscribe to the RACF-L discussion in order to receive postings, send a note to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include the following line in the body of the note, substituting your first name and last name as indicated: subscribe racf-l first_name last_name To post a question or response to the RACF-L forum, send a note to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please include an appropriate subject line in your posting. The RESTRICTED attribute assigned to the USERID should help a lot. RESTRICTED specifies that global access checking is bypassed when resource access checking is performed for the user, and neither ID(*) on the access list nor the UACC will allow access. The RESTRICTED.FILESYS.ACCESS profile in the UNIXPRIV class can also be used to bypass the z/OS UNIX 'other' permission bits during file access checking for RESTRICTED users. Note: If your installation has profiles defined in the PROGRAM class, and the user ID with the RESTRICTED attribute needs to load programs covered by one or more of these profiles, the user id must be put on the access list with EXECUTE or READ authority. We built out users long before RESTRICTED became available so we did much the same thing with a group called NOACCESS and permitted them NONE to virtually everything. Today I think RESTRICTED is a better way to go but in full disclosure I have read about but not implemented with it yet. As far as TSO/E you should not need anything more than a unique LOGON PROC and you might consider to make the allocations and throw them directly into the application using the an EXEC run by the LOGON PROC. Good Luck! Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 "Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast..." -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Grimes Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 7:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Allowing Joe User into TSO Hello, z/OS 1.4 here. I apologize in advance for not knowing the best list to send this question to. (Perhaps ISPF-L? But I'm not a subscriber there.) I'm proposing to our systems folks that we allow a "user" to use TSO to get to the Zeke Work Center function. I'm being told that there is no way for us to limit what the user can do if we let them intoTSO. (Historically, we had RACF practically emasculated. This has been tightened down recently. Our application programmers no longer, for instance, have update access to SYS1.PARMLIB, etc.) I'm going to counter this assertion with my own, namely: We can create a sign-on PROC that executes a CLIST and panel that only gives this user access to Zeke. Once they're in Zeke, I'm confident (using the Zeke security functions) that I can limit them to just what I want them to be able to do. I'm hoping no RACF changes will be required, except perhaps for authorization to execute the sign-on proc. The only catch I see is that we currently select (from our initial menu) the "Altai/Platinum" product support menu which has Zara and Zeke, and choose Zeke from there. We don't want this user to see Zara, only Zeke. Am I making sense? Is my position sound? Any tips? I have been looking at the TSO/E Customization manual. The two-step I'll face is: 1) It can't be done. 2) It would take a long time to do that. TIA! Stg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instruction
Re: IEH106I
In a recent note, Ray Mullins said: > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:03:19 -0700 > > I don't think VOL is required if you are using INDEXDSN, as the VOLSER is > sort of implied in the name of the VTOC index. Other than that, to list > VTOC entries, yes, VOL=dev=volser is required (in my experiences over the > decades). > I tried it with INDEXDSN= and no VOL=, and, you're right, it works. "[T]he VOLSER is sort of implied in the name of the VTOC index." I suppose it says that somewhere; I just haven't read that manual yet. And I might conjecture that in days of yore, prior to indexed VTOCs, VOL= was required and would have appeared without brackets. But I won't search for a Utilities RM of that vintage for confirmation. > of history. Yes, it's a PITA to know what volumes in advance; back in the > Especially when it could be found by reference to the catalog. Thanks, gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IEH106I
Let's just say, without opinion *g* that IEHLIST is a holdout from the
ancient days of OS/360. The IEH utilities (also IEHPROGM and IEHMOVE) have
lots of fun, non-standard stuff such as the DDs that point to volumes but
not data. They were intended to be used by sysprogs, not normal application
folks (think of how the positions were defined in the 1960's). It was
ass/u/me/d that sysprogs would be more concerned with data set placement on
volumes than the application programmer.
I don't think VOL is required if you are using INDEXDSN, as the VOLSER is
sort of implied in the name of the VTOC index. Other than that, to list
VTOC entries, yes, VOL=dev=volser is required (in my experiences over the
decades).
If you're looking for more flexible VTOC formatters, there are a few on the
CBT tape, and DFDSS is somewhat better with its dynamic allocation of
volumes in the control cards.
In general I'd stay away from the IEH utilities unless one is diagnosing a
specific problem. (One exception - IEHMOVE actually can create a better
transportable unloaded PDS - it converts to 80 column cards rather than the
not-exactly-documented IEBCOPY unloaded PDS format (and the not even
documented PDSE format)).
If you want to gripe about IEH utilities, you're looking at almost 40 years
of history. Yes, it's a PITA to know what volumes in advance; back in the
day, sysprogs and technical people had canned JCL that had every volume
defined so that you didn't have to go changing the JCL, just the control
cards.
Later,
Ray
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> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
> Sent: Tuesday 25 October 2005 15:09
>
> In:
>
> 12.4.2.2 LISTVTOC Statement
>
>The syntax of the LISTVTOC statement is:
>
> [label]
> LISTVTOC
>[{DUMP|FORMAT[,PDSESPACE]}]
> [,INDEXDSN=SYS1.VTOCIX.]
> [,DATE={dddyy|ddd}]
> [,VOL=device=serial]
> [,DSNAME=(name[,name[,...]])
>
> o Do the square brackets mean, as conventional (as on the label
> but not on the command name), that the operands are optional?
> When I try:
>
> LISTVTOC FORMAT,DSNAME=data.set.name
>
> I get:
>
> 1 SYSTEMS SUPPORT
> UTILITIES---IEHLIST
> -IEH106I UNAVAILABLE DEVICE TYPE OR VOLUME I.D. SPECIFIED
>
> If I specify the ",VOL=device=serial", the command succeeds.
> Do I misunderstand the metasyntax, or is there some condition
> under which the command succeeds without a VOL= operand, or is
> it RCF time again?
>
> o Given that:
> (op. cit.)
> 12.4.1.3 anyname DD Statement
>
>A DD statement must be included for each permanently mounted
>or mountable volume referred to in the job step. These DD
>statements are used to allocate devices: they are not true
>data definition statements. Concatenated DD statements are
>not allowed.
>
> ... it's a significant pain that the programmer can't identify
> the unit and volume by reference to the DDNAME of that DD
> statement. The developers could have afforded the programmer
> that minor courtesy.
>
> o Further:
>
>Because IEHLIST modifies the internal control blocks created
>by device allocation DD statements, these DD statements must
>not include the DSNAME parameter. (All data sets are defined
>explicitly or implicitly by utility control statements.)
>
> ... That's just plain scary. Why does it need to do that? What
> if I do specify a data set name? Will it ABEND in step termination
> because the TIOT has been zapped? If it needs working storage,
> can't it just GETMAIN it? Does this simply mean that I must not
> have SYSIN or SYSPRINT allocated on a volume referenced in LISTVTOC?
> (But still, what if? ...)
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Allowing Joe User into TSO
Hello, z/OS 1.4 here. I apologize in advance for not knowing the best list to send this question to. (Perhaps ISPF-L? But I'm not a subscriber there.) I'm proposing to our systems folks that we allow a "user" to use TSO to get to the Zeke Work Center function. I'm being told that there is no way for us to limit what the user can do if we let them intoTSO. (Historically, we had RACF practically emasculated. This has been tightened down recently. Our application programmers no longer, for instance, have update access to SYS1.PARMLIB, etc.) I'm going to counter this assertion with my own, namely: We can create a sign-on PROC that executes a CLIST and panel that only gives this user access to Zeke. Once they're in Zeke, I'm confident (using the Zeke security functions) that I can limit them to just what I want them to be able to do. I'm hoping no RACF changes will be required, except perhaps for authorization to execute the sign-on proc. The only catch I see is that we currently select (from our initial menu) the "Altai/Platinum" product support menu which has Zara and Zeke, and choose Zeke from there. We don't want this user to see Zara, only Zeke. Am I making sense? Is my position sound? Any tips? I have been looking at the TSO/E Customization manual. The two-step I'll face is: 1) It can't be done. 2) It would take a long time to do that. TIA! Stg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM z9 upgrade and the SW pricing benefit
Hopefully not a requirement for your products :-)) Roland -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward E. Jaffe Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM z9 upgrade and the SW pricing benefit Dave Butts wrote: >Yea, sounds great on the surface. But according to my IBM rep you now >must purchase your memory for the z9 in a minimum block of 16Gb!!! > > You want to buy a shiny new z9-109 with less than 16GB? Heck, we've got 8GB on our lowly z800 -- and using all of it! -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SOAP for CICS
Peter, are you talking about 1. SOAP Support pack for CICS 2. SOAP Feature FMID HCAV100 3. CTS V3.1 SOAP is included All of them works fine but with CTS V3 you don't have to use the XML-Parse/Generate as CICS does this for you. "Unfortunaly" we are a .NET job. You may also look at Enterprise Cobol 3.4 which lift some limits and useful as XML data can be huge. I would upgrade to CTS V3 Regards Roland -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Ten Eyck Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 10:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SOAP for CICS Has anyone installed and is using SOAP for CICS in production? I am in the process of installing it and would like to hear a few real world experiences. In particular the use of WebSphere Developer for zSeries V6.0. I am wondering if I even need this tool. It seems that the XML parsing capabilities of Enterprise COBOL 3.3 would be sufficient. I would like to keep my design as simple as possible. Anyway I would like to hear some stories on this. Thanks, Peter -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IEH106I
In:
Title: z/OS V1R7.0 DFSMSdfp Utilities
Document Number: SC26-7414-03
I read:
12.0 IEHLIST (List System Data) Program
12.4 Control
12.4.2Utility Control Statements
# 12.4.2.2 "z/OS V1R7.0 DFSMSdfp Utilities)
___
12.4.2.2 LISTVTOC Statement
The syntax of the LISTVTOC statement is:
[label]
LISTVTOC
[{DUMP|FORMAT[,PDSESPACE]}]
[,INDEXDSN=SYS1.VTOCIX.]
[,DATE={dddyy|ddd}]
[,VOL=device=serial]
[,DSNAME=(name[,name[,...]])
o Do the square brackets mean, as conventional (as on the label
but not on the command name), that the operands are optional?
When I try:
LISTVTOC FORMAT,DSNAME=data.set.name
I get:
1 SYSTEMS SUPPORT UTILITIES---IEHLIST
-IEH106I UNAVAILABLE DEVICE TYPE OR VOLUME I.D. SPECIFIED
If I specify the ",VOL=device=serial", the command succeeds.
Do I misunderstand the metasyntax, or is there some condition
under which the command succeeds without a VOL= operand, or is
it RCF time again?
o Given that:
(op. cit.)
12.4.1.3 anyname DD Statement
A DD statement must be included for each permanently mounted
or mountable volume referred to in the job step. These DD
statements are used to allocate devices: they are not true
data definition statements. Concatenated DD statements are
not allowed.
... it's a significant pain that the programmer can't identify
the unit and volume by reference to the DDNAME of that DD
statement. The developers could have afforded the programmer
that minor courtesy.
o Further:
Because IEHLIST modifies the internal control blocks created
by device allocation DD statements, these DD statements must
not include the DSNAME parameter. (All data sets are defined
explicitly or implicitly by utility control statements.)
... That's just plain scary. Why does it need to do that? What
if I do specify a data set name? Will it ABEND in step termination
because the TIOT has been zapped? If it needs working storage,
can't it just GETMAIN it? Does this simply mean that I must not
have SYSIN or SYSPRINT allocated on a volume referenced in LISTVTOC?
(But still, what if? ...)
-- gil
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Re: Alternate home for zOS FTP Client ...?
I'm still confused. The desire was to select a *link* or hardware path. We do that in our GATEWAY statements. For example: GATEWAY ... 20.21.4.3 30.10.1.71 LG501 8992 HOST ... Packets for the target HOST with IP 20.21.4.3 will be routed via network appliance 30.10.1.71 connected to hardware adapter LG501 with a MTU 0f 8992 (gigabit). But a GATEWAY may not be appropriate in all situations. For the moment, we are all static. Ah Homer Simpson.. my hero. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John S. Giltner, Jr. Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 9:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Alternate home for zOS FTP Client ...? Sort of. If you are using static VIPA and have SOURCEVIPA specified, then the outbound source address will be the last VIPA address specified before a real interface. Example: OSA1 10.1.1.1 OSA2 10.1.2.1 VIPA1 10.100.1.1 OSA3 10.1.3.1 OSA4 10.1.4.1 VIAP2 10.200.1.1 OSA5 10.1.5.1 OSA6 10.1.6.1 Based on route statments the following source address will be used if route is viasource address used will be OSA110.1.1.1 OSA210.1.2.1 OSA310.100.1.1 OSA410.100.1.1 OSA510.200.1.1 OSA610.200.1.1 That I am aware of there is NO way to specify what the source address is for FTP client. I wish there was, but if there is I can't find it. Hal Merritt wrote: > I'm confused. FTP uses whichever link that has a path for the target IP > address. > > HOME addresses apply only to inbound traffic. In a static environment, > outbound traffic is routed according to GATEWAY or equivalent > statements. In a dynamic environment, the link used is the one that > connects to a router that knows how to reach the target address. > > HTH. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Tom Sims > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:13 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Alternate home for zOS FTP Client ...? > > (Crossposted here and to IBMTCP-L) > > One of our clients runs a single TCPIP stack with multiple HOME ip > addresses. > > Is there a way -- without a second stack and CINET -- to cause the zOS > FTP client to use a link other than the PRIMARYINTERFACE when opening an > > outbound session? > > Thanks in advance, > Tom Sims > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
You can supply a host name as the target of the GUI. So, if the machine name of your workstation doesn't change and you use both DHCP & DDNS, then you don't need to use an IP address. Worked for me, anyway. Bill On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>rumors of WSA's demise were greatly exaggerated >... > >There was a paper out there a couple of years ago explaining in simple terms how to set it up. > >I tried it; it worked well until we went DHCP and I couldn't guarantee my PC IP address was a constant. > >Two questions: >1. Does anybody know of this paper? >2. Is the DHCP address issue resolved? > >I liked the working environment, except for a few editing gliches. > >Also, it was difficult in Canada to get a version not in French. > >-teD > >In God we Trust! >All others bring data! > -- W. Edwards Deming > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
3745 cable pin out.
Can anyone point me to where the various RS232 interconnection connection cables are documented, to include IBM part numbers and pin out? Thanks. Hal Merritt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Announcements
Steve Comstock wrote: OK, so where do you go these days to find the current week's announcements? http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/OIX.wss -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research & Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM z9 upgrade and the SW pricing benefit
Dave Butts wrote: Yea, sounds great on the surface. But according to my IBM rep you now must purchase your memory for the z9 in a minimum block of 16Gb!!! You want to buy a shiny new z9-109 with less than 16GB? Heck, we've got 8GB on our lowly z800 -- and using all of it! -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research & Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Paul Gilmartin wrote: ... Has anyone written a requirement for concurrent session support? (And has IBM responded to it?) I believe the answer is "No". I have only heard discussions about being logged on to more than one image concurrently -- one session per image. Nothing about generalized "concurrent session" support -- which I agree would be highly desirable. -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research & Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DISP=MOD UNIT=CART/TAPE
Today, I received this notification from CA: "Subject: COMPUTER ASSOCIATES PML SOLUTION NOTIFICATION - QI73753 Title: SECONDARY VOLUMES MAY BE LOST DURING DISP=MOD Product: 1 Release: 11.0 Opsys: OS Solution #: 99 http://supportconnect.ca.com/sc/solcenter/solresults.jsp?aparno=QI73753 " It seems to provide a workaround/ solution. Hth ... Janek -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server??
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee > Sent: Tuesday 25 October 2005 07:01 > > What about Unisys?A computer doesn't have to be IBM compatible to > be a Mainframe. Not just Unisys. There's also Groupe Bull. And don't forget the S/390 compatibles Fujitsu-Siemens, Hitachi and Fujitsu (the latter two in Japan only). In a sense, the HP systems running MP3000 are pretty darned close to the classic definition of mainframe...which is why I hope the OpenMPE group can convince HP to release the operating system under an open-source license. Later, Ray -- M. Ray Mullins Roseville, CA, USA http://www.catherdersoftware.com/ http://www.mrmullins.big-bear-city.ca.us/ http://www.the-bus-stops-here.org/ German is essentially a form of assembly language consisting entirely of far calls heavily accented with throaty guttural sounds. --ilvi -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server??
And they had to quit selling it because all the analysts said nobody would be wearing mainframe clothing in 6 months... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Brock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server?? That would be "softwear." Jon > > >And don't forget a few years ago Sears had its line of "Mainframe" >clothing! > but the software maintenance costs were too high -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server??
That would be "softwear." Jon > > >And don't forget a few years ago Sears had its line of "Mainframe" clothing! > but the software maintenance costs were too high -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server??
>IBM had a paper out there about this (my mind is fading and I can not remember exactly where) ... There's one at Arcati Research about 'Exploding the Dinosaur Myth', or something like that. At the z9 Roadshow last month, IBM referenced but claimed they had no input, nor did they sponsor/request it. www.arcati.com -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W. Edwards Deming -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Ron Hawkins please note
Ron and Jenny Hawkins wrote: I guess the catch-22 is that I won't know that Steve can't e-mail me until he send me an e-mail to let me know... Ahh, but I did. And off list, too. And you replied. Kind regards, -Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PREVENTING TAKING TOO MUCH STOR IN ISPF
Actually, you are correct about it being SPM/OL. The DOS/VS modification was to insert an EXCP to "read" a card. Power intercepted the READ and moved the buffer to the input queue as if it had been read from the card reader. I was just starting out at the time, so I had no idea how that was supposed to work, but it did. I had already done quite a bit of ALC coding, so I knew the instructions, just didn't know how the smoke and mirrors worked. The guy that came up with this fix also set up our system to run Power(old Power that ran real mode only) to run in virtual mode. He preloaded a program that page fixed what Power needed fixed in memory and then loaded Power in on top of itself. This allowed us to run a 1MB DOS/VS system with Power and four partitions on a 64K 370/125. Needless to say there was a substantial paging overhead...with at least a 16 to 1 folding ratio... McKown, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Arnett Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PREVENTING TAKING TOO MUCH STOR IN ISPF There was one. It was called SPM and ran on DOS/VS. With a three card modification from a fellow in Lubbock by the name of Stu Childre, it even submitted jobs directly to the Power queue. Something called SPM/OL (Source Program Maintenance/Online, IIRC) also ran on OS/VS1 under CICS. I don't know if it was the same SPM as DOS/VS or not. I do remember "doing something" so that it could submit jobs under CICS. Something about using a user SVC to do a "S RDR" some how. The details are no longer accessable by my memory controller . -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Finding matched records
On 24 Oct 2005 13:11:50 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Yaeger) wrote: >DFSORT/ICETOOL can do many different types of matching. Exactly how you'd >do it depends on exactly what you want to do. It could be as simple as >using SELECT with ALLDUPS, or involve SPLICE as shown in the following >"Smart DFSORT Trick": > >http://www.ibm.com/servers/storage/support/software/sort/mvs/tricks/srtmst02.html#t05 That worked nicely, thanks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Forming a Metro NY NaSPA Chapter
(Posted with the permission of the IBM-MAIN moderator) For many of us, one of the most enjoyable aspects of our job is meeting face-to-face with our peers. Groups such as SHARE provide a wonderful opportunity for such meetings. However, travel restrictions prevent many of us from attending SHARE as often as we would like, Wouldn't it be nice to have another way to get together to learn and to share experiences? That's the idea behind forming a New York NaSPA chapter. NaSPA, the Networking and Systems Professionals Association, (formerly known as "National Association of Systems Programmers") is a not-for-profit professional association with 10,000 members worldwide, 70% of whom have z/OS as their primary responsibility. The chapter that I envision would be a "Metro New York" chapter, and would draw on the existing NaSPA membership in Southeastern New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and potentially eastern Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Western Massachusetts. You can find more information on NaSPA at www.naspa.com. Chapter meetings would be modelled after the very successful RACF User Groups: full-day meetings (10 AM to 4PM), with the overwhelming majority of the day dedicated to educational sessions. I've reserved a room at 590 Madison Avenue on Tuesday, 29 November for the first chapter meeting. While I am certain that we can get some outstanding z/OS speakers. the chapter will only get off the ground with your help. If you are interested in participating in any way whatsoever (including as an attendee), please contact me off list with an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please do so by Monday, 31 October. Thanks!! - Mark Mark Nelson, z/OS Security Server (RACF) Design and Development, IBM Poughkeepsie P.S. If you are not a NaSPA member, not to worry. NaSPA is offering a complimentary six-month membership to everyone who is interested in joining the NY Metro Chapter. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DISP=MOD UNIT=CART/TAPE
Hello Glenn, I am pretty sure that we had this exact problem. I recently installed CA-VTAPE R11 SP1 and as part of that project, upgraded to CA-1 R11 (plus APAR tape dated 8/16/05). We IPLed Sept 4 to bring in the new CA1. Everything was fine until late in the month, around the 28th or 29th, when a weekly SMF mod job and another weekly CMF mod job abended with the errors you list below. I have a hardcopy of one of the jobs that MOD'ed the tape generation. One strange thing is, in the JES2 message log we received: IEC705I TAPE ON 0587,101148,SL... (normal) IECTMS9 0587,101148,** WORK TAPE ** (should not have been a work tape) The dataset was recataloged properly in the OS usercat: IEC205I SYSUT2,SMFTAPE,GENER,FILESEQ=0001, EXTEND VOLUME LIST,... IEF285I ESA1T.SMF05.G0009V00RECATALOGED IEF285I VOL SER NOS= all volumes listed But they were not chained properly in the TMC (nextvol, prevvol, etc). CA1 thought they were scratch tapes and they were reused the next day by another job, causing us to lose data. I spent all the next day (a Friday, of course) working with CA. They were not able to identify a problem. They gave me a special CAS9 input to reinitialize the CA1 modules and the problem went away. I have not been able to reproduce the problem, but have been worried about it ever since. I was a nervous wreck the whole weekend. I didn't know how many tapes had been trashed. All that we found were 3 tape datasets that were lost - the monthly SMF and CMF datasets and a CA7 LOG tape that is MOD'ed. That's all I can think of for now. Please keep me or the list posted on anything that you find out. We are running z/OS 1.4. Robert Johnston UAMS > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Glenn Miller > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 11:05 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: DISP=MOD UNIT=CART/TAPE > > Has anyone encountered either of the following two situations recently ( > say the last 6 months or so )? > > > IEC023I 237-08,IFG0553F > > > IEC140I ddname ,vv END OF DATA SET NOT ON VOLUME > IEFTMS50 1XX- 08 jobname,stepname ,ddname ,ccuu,vv > IEA995I SYMPTOM DUMP OUTPUT > SYSTEM COMPLETION CODE=1EB REASON CODE= > > > > We have had a few since the previous Sunday following a system > IPL/software > upgrade. > We are currently investaging this matter with the software vendor of one > of > the products > we upgraded. Alhough I was wondering if anyone had already encountered > this issue. > > Thank you for your help. > > Glenn Miller > > > PS: If you have any non-public questions, please contact me directly. > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server??
In a message dated 10/25/2005 10:32:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: still call it "core"? History can be interesting (and I like rehasing it as much as anyone) but it is today's usage that is relevant. >> And it changes pretty fast. _http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/10/25/HNmonstercomputers_1.html_ (http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/10/25/HNmonstercomputers_1.html) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
zPCR
Hi, zPCR is finally available to download. http://www.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/PRS1381 zPCR, is a PC-based productivity tool under Windows. It is designed to provide capacity planning insight for IBM System z9 and eServer zSeries processors running various workload environments under z/OS, z/VM, and Linux. Capacity results are based on IBM's LSPR data supporting all IBM System z9 and eServer zSeries processors and Legacy LSPR data supporting some zSeries, and most S/390 processors. A special Combined LSPR data view provides the capability to directly compare zSeries to older S/390 processors. Hint:An installation key is required to install zPCR. How do you get the key? It's contained in the Introduction to zPCR training materials. No one wants capacity planning mistakes being made because of a lack of training on the tool. So invest the hour it takes to get the key to better capacity plans and to zPCR. Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 "Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast..." <> This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Ron Hawkins please note
I guess the catch-22 is that I won't know that Steve can't e-mail me until he send me an e-mail to let me know... > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Ed Gould > Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 9:30 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Ron Hawkins please note > > On Oct 25, 2005, at 12:13 AM, Ron and Jenny Hawkins wrote: > > > Eg, > > > > I guess you can judge a person by his ISP's SPAM Filter - but I > > wouldn't. > > Did you forget the smiley on your e-mail? > > > > Ron > > > > Ron, > > Yes/No I was really put off by this persons persons attempt to defeat > spam. I was trying to send him a job availability option. Here I was > trying to get him employed again and I got bounced. > > I have not bothered to try and help him out since. > > Ed > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server??
Scary thing is that I was talking up-front costs on the boxes. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Kevin Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server?? Rex In your SP's defense, maybe they were not aware they were running SMTP and TCPIP, ;-). As far as my comment about price is mini's and servers start out cheaper, but utimately in the end cost more. IBM had a paper out there about this (my mind is fading and I can not remember exactly where), but the number that stuck out was to double the capacity of a MF cost 90% and the cost to double the capacity of server was 125%. I do agree with the mindset comment. I remember some of the powers to be (circa 1998) commented that the MF would be history in 6 months. BTW our servers occupy on 60 foot X 30 foot room and our mainframe about 6 X 6 area. Thanks, Fletch 817-3545 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R. Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server?? Unfortunately in our case it is mindset. The word "mainframe" has a negative connotation around here as being big, expensive, and outdated. We have an HP superdome "server" that sits 6 feet tall, 6 feet wide, and 4 feet deep, all external storage and all the other things that make it look like a "mainframe". Our z/OS box is a 7060 - the size of a 2 drawer file cabinet and it cost about 10% of the price of the HP box. Yet the HP box is a "server" and the 7060 is a "mainframe". As far as the "outdated" part of it, we actually had z/OS systems programmers at our parent company tell me a few years ago that the 7060 (or any other z/OS machine) doesn't support e-mail. They wouldn't even believe me when I told them I had been e-mailing security and audit reports from the 7060 for a long time already. So which one is the mainframe and which isn't? Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Kevin Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server?? To answer Howards last question, could it be the price? ;-) Thanks, Fletch -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
In a recent note, Bob Shannon said: > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:11:00 -0400 > > Has IBM responded to your requirements? Oh, you haven't written > requirements? > > My mistake. > Mmmm. Good point. But my needs here would readily be satisfied by concurrent TSO/ISPF sessions and scripting in the terminal emulator; most of my nattering and thrashing has been in search of an alternative; a fallback position. And I assumed from the recurrent chatter that concurrent TSO/ISPF sessions is a recognized requirement. But that's jumping to a conclusion. So, what's the truth? Has anyone written a requirement for concurrent session support? (And has IBM responded to it?) -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server??
And don't forget a few years ago Sears had its line of "Mainframe" clothing! but the software maintenance costs were too high -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Announcements
Bruce Black wrote: or go to IBM Offering Info http://www-306.ibm.com/common/ssi/OIAccess.wss which includes anouncements, sales manual, and more Ah, good. I like that a little more than the iSource approach. Thanks. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM z9 upgrade and the SW pricing benefit
thanks
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>What *I* am interested in seeing when we go to a z9 is how accurate
>those
DB2/VSAM performance claims are!
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Are you referring to MIDAW? If so, who's DASD are you using and are you at
z/OS 1.6 or above (z/OS 1.6 requires PTFs to enable/support MIDAW).
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Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server??
And don't forget a few years ago Sears had its line of "Mainframe" clothing! >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/25/2005 11:29:47 AM >>> If you go to onelook.com and search on "mainframe", you will find dozens of dictionary defintions, some contradictory, but the general theme is a "large computer system, often serving many users". -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Announcements
or go to IBM Offering Info http://www-306.ibm.com/common/ssi/OIAccess.wss which includes anouncements, sales manual, and more -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server??
If you go to onelook.com and search on "mainframe", you will find dozens of dictionary defintions, some contradictory, but the general theme is a "large computer system, often serving many users". -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server??
The "main frame" literally used to be a frame with things in it. "used to be" is the operative phrase. Our language carries a lot of baggage in terms that made sense once but now have other meanings that no longer match the words. We all "dial' the phone but most dial phones are now in museums and landfills. How many of us computer types still call it "core"? History can be interesting (and I like rehasing it as much as anyone) but it is today's usage that is relevant. -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Announcements
Pommier, Rex R. wrote: Sign up for IBM announcements at the following page: http://www.ibm.com/isource I believe it is the third screen of the sign-up where you can tell IBM to e-mail you a summary of the announcements with each announcement as a hyperlink. Rex I'm already subscribed. But I went back and looked at my profile and I wasn't using it best. Now it should be OK. Thanks. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there any XML parser available on z/OS ?
On Monday 26 September 2005 04:58 am, CAPRON Romain wrote: > Hello, > > > > I would like to know if there is an XML parser available on z/OS? > > Thanks a lot in advance for your help, > > > > Romain > Enterprise COBOL provides for XML support. You can also download a XML toolkit for C/C++ and JAVA XML support. -- Mark Jacobs Technical Services Time Customer Service, Tampa FL Time Warner -- Secrecy is the keystone of all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy ... [sic] censorship. When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, 'This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,' the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything —you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server??
Pommier, Rex R. wrote: Unfortunately in our case it is mindset. The word "mainframe" has a negative connotation around here as being big, expensive, and outdated. We have an HP superdome "server" that sits 6 feet tall, 6 feet wide, and 4 feet deep, all external storage and all the other things that make it look like a "mainframe". Our z/OS box is a 7060 - the size of a 2 drawer file cabinet and it cost about 10% of the price of the HP box. Yet the HP box is a "server" and the 7060 is a "mainframe". As far as the "outdated" part of it, we actually had z/OS systems programmers at our parent company tell me a few years ago that the 7060 (or any other z/OS machine) doesn't support e-mail. They wouldn't even believe me when I told them I had been e-mailing security and audit reports from the 7060 for a long time already. So which one is the mainframe and which isn't? Rex Well I think a big part of the problem is IBM. If marketing reps had incentives to move big iron, that would focus their attention on telling the story better. This, of course, requires the executives who set the marketing incentives to care about that. Hand in hand with such a program would be a coordinated effort to enhance the image of the mainframe by touting its strengths. This would include * encouraging [writing?] think pieces / essays in the business press as well as the trade press * effective ad campaigns Follow the money. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server??
Rex In your SP's defense, maybe they were not aware they were running SMTP and TCPIP, ;-). As far as my comment about price is mini's and servers start out cheaper, but utimately in the end cost more. IBM had a paper out there about this (my mind is fading and I can not remember exactly where), but the number that stuck out was to double the capacity of a MF cost 90% and the cost to double the capacity of server was 125%. I do agree with the mindset comment. I remember some of the powers to be (circa 1998) commented that the MF would be history in 6 months. BTW our servers occupy on 60 foot X 30 foot room and our mainframe about 6 X 6 area. Thanks, Fletch 817-3545 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R. Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server?? Unfortunately in our case it is mindset. The word "mainframe" has a negative connotation around here as being big, expensive, and outdated. We have an HP superdome "server" that sits 6 feet tall, 6 feet wide, and 4 feet deep, all external storage and all the other things that make it look like a "mainframe". Our z/OS box is a 7060 - the size of a 2 drawer file cabinet and it cost about 10% of the price of the HP box. Yet the HP box is a "server" and the 7060 is a "mainframe". As far as the "outdated" part of it, we actually had z/OS systems programmers at our parent company tell me a few years ago that the 7060 (or any other z/OS machine) doesn't support e-mail. They wouldn't even believe me when I told them I had been e-mailing security and audit reports from the 7060 for a long time already. So which one is the mainframe and which isn't? Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Kevin Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server?? To answer Howards last question, could it be the price? ;-) Thanks, Fletch -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Announcements
Sign up for IBM announcements at the following page: http://www.ibm.com/isource I believe it is the third screen of the sign-up where you can tell IBM to e-mail you a summary of the announcements with each announcement as a hyperlink. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: IBM Announcements OK, so where do you go these days to find the current week's announcements? I used to have link that would take me directly to the latest list of announcments. It has stopped working. I went to IBMLink and got: " The My IBMLink page that you have requested has been removed. We have replaced it with links on the IBM Support & downloads and IBM PartnerWorld web pages." I followed the links to the IBM Support page and IBM PartnerWorld page. The only announcements are either PartnerWorld developers announcements or old zSeries announcements. There used to be a summary page published each Tuesday with a list of product announcments for that week. I cannot seem to find such a list anymore. So where do folks go these days to keep up with the announcement stream? Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server??
Unfortunately in our case it is mindset. The word "mainframe" has a negative connotation around here as being big, expensive, and outdated. We have an HP superdome "server" that sits 6 feet tall, 6 feet wide, and 4 feet deep, all external storage and all the other things that make it look like a "mainframe". Our z/OS box is a 7060 - the size of a 2 drawer file cabinet and it cost about 10% of the price of the HP box. Yet the HP box is a "server" and the 7060 is a "mainframe". As far as the "outdated" part of it, we actually had z/OS systems programmers at our parent company tell me a few years ago that the 7060 (or any other z/OS machine) doesn't support e-mail. They wouldn't even believe me when I told them I had been e-mailing security and audit reports from the 7060 for a long time already. So which one is the mainframe and which isn't? Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Kevin Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server?? To answer Howards last question, could it be the price? ;-) Thanks, Fletch What about Unisys?A computer doesn't have to be IBM compatible to be a Mainframe. Your definition seems to fit mini-computers (such as a VAX) as well. Heck, I've seen a PC that had all of its disk drives external - does that make the PC a main frame? What's the difference between a mainframe and a mini-computer? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBM Announcements
OK, so where do you go these days to find the current week's announcements? I used to have link that would take me directly to the latest list of announcments. It has stopped working. I went to IBMLink and got: " The My IBMLink page that you have requested has been removed. We have replaced it with links on the IBM Support & downloads and IBM PartnerWorld web pages." I followed the links to the IBM Support page and IBM PartnerWorld page. The only announcements are either PartnerWorld developers announcements or old zSeries announcements. There used to be a summary page published each Tuesday with a list of product announcments for that week. I cannot seem to find such a list anymore. So where do folks go these days to keep up with the announcement stream? Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES2 input queue priority
""Robert A. Rosenberg"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > At 10:00 -0400 on 10/25/2005, Jack Schudel wrote about Re: JES2 input > queue priority: > > >If you need your jobs to run in a specific order, you have 3 choices: > >1. Have JOB1 submit JOB2. > >2. Submit JOB2 with a hold status, and then have JOB1 release JOB2. > >3. Buy or write something that will do the above under the covers. > >(Mellon Mods, the new BEFORE/AFTER sample code that comes with > >JES2 z/1.7, Thruput Manager, a scheduling package, etc.) > > 4. Use a */JOBPARM PRIORITY=2 for Job 1 and */JOBPARM PRIORITY=1 for > Job 2. > So long as they both are converted before they get selected, > Job 1 will get selected first (due to the higher priority). > "So long as" holds true for a lot of the proposed solutions, how do you guarantee this? The basic conclusion is that JES2 does not guarantee anything, so you cannot build on JES2. Nobody even mentioned a 10-way MASplex with 10 convertors each and initiators available on each LPAR, running on different machines with different speeds. It might be well possible that when you submit 10 jobs in sequence, job 8 starts executing before job 1. You must take your own measures like Robert's 3 choices. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server??
On 25 Oct 2005 07:14:35 -0700, "/*Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >A "Mainframe" is an architectural design and a generic term for the >"Large" systems that use the operating systems such as VM, and the MVS >derivatives(MVS, OS/390, z/OS). Certainly the Unisys folk disagree with this definition. I'm not sure that the IBM folk want to require that it use the MVS type operating systems. If we take their biggest mainframe, remove its OS, and replace the OS with Unix, do we now have a mini-computer? >Although the mainframes of today are barely larger than a commercial >refrigerator, the older systems had a very large footprint. > >It provides the utmost in reliablility, scalability, and securability. > >Just remember "It don't rust", "It don't bust", and "Won't collect >dust"... >/*DW Sounds like a definition made by the marketing department.How do they sell the product as IBM continues to push Unix? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES2 input queue priority
At 10:00 -0400 on 10/25/2005, Jack Schudel wrote about Re: JES2 input queue priority: If you need your jobs to run in a specific order, you have 3 choices: 1. Have JOB1 submit JOB2. 2. Submit JOB2 with a hold status, and then have JOB1 release JOB2. 3. Buy or write something that will do the above under the covers. (Mellon Mods, the new BEFORE/AFTER sample code that comes with JES2 z/1.7, Thruput Manager, a scheduling package, etc.) 4. Use a */JOBPARM PRIORITY=2 for Job 1 and */JOBPARM PRIORITY=1 for Job 2. So long as they both are converted before they get selected, Job 1 will get selected first (due to the higher priority). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server??
To answer Howards last question, could it be the price? ;-) Thanks, Fletch What about Unisys?A computer doesn't have to be IBM compatible to be a Mainframe. Your definition seems to fit mini-computers (such as a VAX) as well. Heck, I've seen a PC that had all of its disk drives external - does that make the PC a main frame? What's the difference between a mainframe and a mini-computer? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Paul Gilmartin wrote: In a recent note unmask]> said: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:52:04 -0600 To do this, the mainframe has to give the power to the terminal program - allowing it to ask for as many rows and columns as it wants, without assuming a particular terminal size. Bravo! But you do realize, don't you, that you're trying to drag the mainframe, user interface kicking and screaming, into the 21st century? (Well, maybe, at least the 1980's.) As for ISPGUI vs. WSA, etc., I have users of a class with a minority requirement. They wish to edit mainframe files with the genuine ISPF/PDF. Many of them are using clones: UniSPF, THE, etc. And, I'd like to provide a facility where they can click on a menu item on the workstation and launch ISPF/PDF for that file, running on the mainframe, and displaying on the workstation, without contention from other sessions the user may have active on the mainframe. I experimented with REXEC launching ISPGUI. ISPGUI is ugly. Does ISPGUI support color? I'd still like the real McCoy. And it's moronic that in order to determine whether ISPGUI should be allowed to open a window on the workstation, ISPGUI opens a window to ask the user. Ironically, it's easy to use REXEC to launch xterm on the mainframe, starting a vi session, displaying on the workstation. But this provides no particular benefit to anyone. All the files of interest are NFS mounted on both mainframe and workstation, so transfer is not a concern. What's wrong with FTP, anyway? As for the lack of a Linux agent mentioned elsewhere in this thread, hasn't IBM heard of the multi-platform X11 protocol? -- gil Paul, I think you'll like the WebSphere Developer tool then. It uses APPC, TCP/IP, FTP and the like to connect to the mainframe. You can access mainframe files and edit them on the workstation using something called the LPEX editor (basically an Eclipse editor, I think). You can do this without being logged onto TSO. Or you can also do this while being logged onto TSO! That is, you can have a TSO/ISPF session going at the same time you have a connection to the mainframe from the workstation via WebSphere Developer. Then, you can set it up so that choosing to edit a mainframe file goes and establishes the connection. I'm still learning but there seem to be a lot of nice features here, and very 21st Century. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is mainframe an operating system or database server??
On 25 Oct 2005 05:11:49 -0700, "RolandRB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'll give more information as there seems to be some confusion on this >issue. I worked with mainframe computers for many years. "Mainframe" >really means the "main frame" (as opposed to other frames that contain >disks and other frames that contain channels and frames that contain >God knows what) and is the frame that contains the main processor >board. These processors boards can contain many processors and these >processors do real processing. There will be other processors elsewhere >outside the "main frame" that handle I/Os and other tasks. You even >have processors checking on the temperature of the parts. Some of these >processors will make telephone calls if they detect a part has failed >or might fail at some time. The "main frame" literally used to be a >frame with things in it. It is true that these computers have got >smaller, but generally hundreds of users are connected to them from >maybe various locations remote to the computer. As such these things >usually need a large space and the communication cables going into them >can run into the hundreds and weigh tons. The room they are in will >need to be cooled as well. I don't know if it is still the case, but >when I worked with IBM mainframes, these were water cooled as well. The >only mainframe manufacturers I am aware of now are IBM and Amdahl and I >think Amdahl are really Fujitsu and Siemens. What about Unisys?A computer doesn't have to be IBM compatible to be a Mainframe. Your definition seems to fit mini-computers (such as a VAX) as well. Heck, I've seen a PC that had all of its disk drives external - does that make the PC a main frame? What's the difference between a mainframe and a mini-computer? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES2 input queue priority
JES2 has never made a guarantee about job execution order. Job numbers do not guarantee input order, since job numbers wrap. Also, if the job comes in from NJE then the local JES2 system will try to use the origin node's job number. If you need your jobs to run in a specific order, you have 3 choices: 1. Have JOB1 submit JOB2. 2. Submit JOB2 with a hold status, and then have JOB1 release JOB2. 3. Buy or write something that will do the above under the covers. (Mellon Mods, the new BEFORE/AFTER sample code that comes with JES2 z/1.7, Thruput Manager, a scheduling package, etc.) If you have something like IOF or SDSF, doing #2 is really pretty easy. Those products can be run in batch, understand your security rules, and have a programmable interface. In our case, I have a small assembler program that takes a parm of jobname. (The syntax is a hold-over from our MVT days.) The program invokes a clist that calls IOF to release (or cancel) the highest priority named job that the user is allowed to manipulate. By default, modern JES2 systems run with 10 converter tasks on each member of your shared spool. (It has been a very long time since JES2 only ran one converter task per member.) More complicated jobs take longer to convert. Jobs with JCLLIB will take longer, since the library has to be opened. If the JCLLIB has been migrated, or if there is an ENQ on it, you have an even longer wait. If you have converter exit code that looks up datasets, that takes time. etc., etc. Even if two jobs are identical, if they start conversion at the same time, there is a 50-50 chance that job2 will end conversion first! /jack -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM z9 upgrade and the SW pricing benefit
Mark, We have DS8300s and z/OS 1.6 is almost across the board. And, yes, I was referring to MIDAW. We are a heavy DB2/VSAM shop, so when we get a z9, we will be monitoring to validate those claims. Bob Richards Technologist Enterprise Technology Infrastructure SunTrust Banks, Inc. (404) 575-2798 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject:Re: IBM z9 upgrade and the SW pricing benefit On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:22:47 -0400, Richards.Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >What *I* am interested in seeing when we go to a z9 is how accurate those DB2/VSAM performance claims are! > Are you referring to MIDAW? If so, who's DASD are you using and are you at z/OS 1.6 or above (z/OS 1.6 requires PTFs to enable/support MIDAW). Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America and Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programming expert at http://Search390.com/ateExperts/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Seeing Beyond Money is a service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM z9 upgrade and the SW pricing benefit
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:22:47 -0400, Richards.Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >What *I* am interested in seeing when we go to a z9 is how accurate those DB2/VSAM performance claims are! > Are you referring to MIDAW? If so, who's DASD are you using and are you at z/OS 1.6 or above (z/OS 1.6 requires PTFs to enable/support MIDAW). Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America and Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programming expert at http://Search390.com/ateExperts/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Geoplex performance considerations
> It depends on what you call CF mirroring: System Managed Coupling Facility Structure Duplexing is supported now. This requires direct links between the CF's and these links seem to be limited to 5 km to prevent unacceptable delays. According to "System-Managed CF Structure Duplexing", page 32 GM13-0103-05 (June 2004) http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/library/techpapers/pdf/gm13010 3.pdf > "Recommendation: In a GDPS/PPRC multi-site configuration, do not duplex CF structure data between coupling facilities located in different sites; rather, if desired, duplex the structures between two coupling facilities located at the same site. CF structure data is not preserved in GDPS site failover situations, regardless of CF Duplexing." There is no newer information on "Coupling Facility and the Parallel Sysplex" http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/pso/coupling.html > Regards, Zaromil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM z9 upgrade and the SW pricing benefit
Yea, sounds great on the surface. But according to my IBM rep you now must purchase your memory for the z9 in a minimum block of 16Gb!!! >You missed one other simple benefit of the z9. The memory is 20% cheaper per 8GB ($8,000 vs. $10,000). Granted, it is a small thing, but a benefit nevertheless. > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 22:24 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > As for the lack of a Linux agent mentioned elsewhere in this thread, > hasn't IBM heard of the multi-platform X11 protocol? Since they have AIX, HPUX and Solaris variants, I presume that they know about X. But really, I'd settle for a Java client. (Does that write-once-run-anywhere stuff work yet?) -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Ron Hawkins please note
On Oct 25, 2005, at 12:13 AM, Ron and Jenny Hawkins wrote: Eg, I guess you can judge a person by his ISP's SPAM Filter - but I wouldn't. Did you forget the smiley on your e-mail? Ron Ron, Yes/No I was really put off by this persons persons attempt to defeat spam. I was trying to send him a job availability option. Here I was trying to get him employed again and I got bounced. I have not bothered to try and help him out since. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM z9 upgrade and the SW pricing benefit
Timothy, You missed one other simple benefit of the z9. The memory is 20% cheaper per 8GB ($8,000 vs. $10,000). Granted, it is a small thing, but a benefit nevertheless. What *I* am interested in seeing when we go to a z9 is how accurate those DB2/VSAM performance claims are! Bob Richards Technologist Enterprise Technology Infrastructure SunTrust Banks, Inc. (404) 575-2798 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject:Re: IBM z9 upgrade and the SW pricing benefit Hopefully you'll get some real world feedback, but a few quick points... >We are looking into the SW pricing benefits of the IBM z990 and z9 >processors in that they will reduce your software MSU's by approximatelly >10% and 20% respectivley. Being a WLC customer, our understanding >(confirmed by IBM) is that our software MSU's used by SCRT to calculate our >software licence charge will drop by 10% for a z900 to z990 upgrade or 20% >for a z900 to z9 upgrade. Almost. Each major model changeover (e.g. z900 to z990, or z990 to System z9-109) provides what IBM calls the "technology dividend." For example, if you could find a z990 with identical performance/capacity to a z900 then the z990 would be rated at 10% fewer MSUs (i.e. software rating) than the z900. If you move from z900 to System z9-109 you get two 10% reductions which equates to 19% (not quite 20). In practice you don't always find models with identical performance/capacity, although with the z890 (sometimes added as a "rounding frame") you can get very, very close. Sometimes you end up with more capacity for the same (or somewhat lower) MSU rating. Other times you can get a much lower MSU rating. Just depends on where you are and what upgrade makes the most sense. Either way it's a win, and that's why it's always a good idea to look at new models when they come out. Everyone should be doing that for financial reasons, at least. Note also that z990, System z9-109, and z890 all have zAAPs available. It's a really good way to run Java, and that can offer additional software benefits. And IFLs (Linux engines) get faster as you upgrade, so that helps, too. And, as you upgrade models, they get better and better at handling crypto processing. A System z9-109 handles AES with hardware assist (CPACF), for example. Crypto offload can be quite useful -- and most customers keep adding crypto work to their mainframes to meet new privacy regulations. All that said, your software savings will depend on your mix of products, vendors, contract terms, and workloads. >Using a specific example - We have a z900 model 212 (depending on the chart >you use rated at 445 MSU's) and its 4HRA is 392 MSU. >- If we moved that z900 workload is moved to a z990 model 307 (rated at 451 >MSU's) our 4HRA would drop by 39 MSU's (ie 10% of 4HRA) to 353 MSU's. >- If that workload is moved to a z9 model 707 (rated at 479 SW MSU's) our >4HRA would drop by 78 MSU's (ie 20% of 4HRA) to 314 MSU's. I'm assuming the 7-way System z9 v. the 7-way z990 is because you want 7 physical engines. Obviously a 7-way System z9-109 has more performance and capacity than a 7-way z990. LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Seeing Beyond Money is a service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM z9 upgrade and the SW pricing benefit
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Re: Geoplex performance considerations
Kees, Thanks - that confirms what I've found - anyting over a few kilometers prevents us from successfully using CF Duplexing. Clark -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM z9 upgrade and the SW pricing benefit
Hopefully you'll get some real world feedback, but a few quick points... >We are looking into the SW pricing benefits of the IBM z990 and z9 >processors in that they will reduce your software MSU's by approximatelly >10% and 20% respectivley. Being a WLC customer, our understanding >(confirmed by IBM) is that our software MSU's used by SCRT to calculate our >software licence charge will drop by 10% for a z900 to z990 upgrade or 20% >for a z900 to z9 upgrade. Almost. Each major model changeover (e.g. z900 to z990, or z990 to System z9-109) provides what IBM calls the "technology dividend." For example, if you could find a z990 with identical performance/capacity to a z900 then the z990 would be rated at 10% fewer MSUs (i.e. software rating) than the z900. If you move from z900 to System z9-109 you get two 10% reductions which equates to 19% (not quite 20). In practice you don't always find models with identical performance/capacity, although with the z890 (sometimes added as a "rounding frame") you can get very, very close. Sometimes you end up with more capacity for the same (or somewhat lower) MSU rating. Other times you can get a much lower MSU rating. Just depends on where you are and what upgrade makes the most sense. Either way it's a win, and that's why it's always a good idea to look at new models when they come out. Everyone should be doing that for financial reasons, at least. Note also that z990, System z9-109, and z890 all have zAAPs available. It's a really good way to run Java, and that can offer additional software benefits. And IFLs (Linux engines) get faster as you upgrade, so that helps, too. And, as you upgrade models, they get better and better at handling crypto processing. A System z9-109 handles AES with hardware assist (CPACF), for example. Crypto offload can be quite useful -- and most customers keep adding crypto work to their mainframes to meet new privacy regulations. All that said, your software savings will depend on your mix of products, vendors, contract terms, and workloads. >Using a specific example - We have a z900 model 212 (depending on the chart >you use rated at 445 MSU's) and its 4HRA is 392 MSU. >- If we moved that z900 workload is moved to a z990 model 307 (rated at 451 >MSU's) our 4HRA would drop by 39 MSU's (ie 10% of 4HRA) to 353 MSU's. >- If that workload is moved to a z9 model 707 (rated at 479 SW MSU's) our >4HRA would drop by 78 MSU's (ie 20% of 4HRA) to 314 MSU's. I'm assuming the 7-way System z9 v. the 7-way z990 is because you want 7 physical engines. Obviously a 7-way System z9-109 has more performance and capacity than a 7-way z990. - - - - - Timothy F. Sipples Consulting Enterprise Software Architect IBM Americas zSeries/z9 Software Phone: +1 312 529 1612 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES2 input queue priority
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 07:44 -0500, McKown, John wrote: > > reduce to CNVTNUM=1 so that conversion is single threaded > Yuck! Granted, it will solve his problem. Now everything will wait on > that one job that somebody submitted which has 250 steps, 200 DD > statements per step of which 100 are DD * with 10,000 control cards to > make its way through that one converter. Plus as someone else mentioned, having a MAS complex complicates matters; conversion will take place on multiple systems regardless of the CNVTNUM spec. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES2 input queue priority
One easy way to resolve it without a job scheduler or any JES modifications. Submit the second job from the first you can even use COND to either SUBMIT or not. //SUBMIT EXEC PGM=IEBGENER //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSINDD DUMMY //SYSUT2 DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR),DCB=(RECFM=F,BLKSIZE=80) //SYSUT1 DD DSN=your.data.set(MEMBER1),DISP=SHR //SYSUDUMP DD SYSOUT=* //* Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 "Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast..." <> This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES2 input queue priority
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron and Jenny Hawkins > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 4:56 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: JES2 input queue priority > > > Nasuh, > > > David Andrews suggested earlier that you reduce to CNVTNUM=1 so that > conversion is single threaded, and your problem will be resolved. > > Ron Yuck! Granted, it will solve his problem. Now everything will wait on that one job that somebody submitted which has 250 steps, 200 DD statements per step of which 100 are DD * with 10,000 control cards to make its way through that one converter. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES2 input queue priority
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Arthur T. > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:23 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: JES2 input queue priority > > > On 24 Oct 2005 07:45:49 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main > (Message-ID:<[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 6.uicnrh.dom>) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (McKown, John) wrote: > > >the order of queuing on the execution queue is no longer > >necessarily the > >same as the submission order. This "ordering" in the past > >was never > >guaranteed, just assumed by many due to observation. JES2, > >unlike JES3, > >does not have "Dependant Job Control". It would be nice. > > Did you notice that 1.7 has sample exits which > implement the /*BEFORE and /*AFTER (and /*CNTL) card > processing (from the Mellon mods)? See handout from SHARE > 105, Session 2656. I forget the URL I used. > No. But, then, I don't have z/OS 1.7 either. I have 1.6 running in test mode. 1.4 in production. 1.6 is scheduled for production after the end of the year, maybe. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TSO EDIT command
On 10/19/2005 1:55 PM, Arthur T. wrote: On 19 Oct 2005 09:34:23 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walt Farrell) wrote: Suppose the modal application were ATTACHEd (or spawn()ed) and control were returned to the TMP without doint a WAIT (or waitpid), but leaving a communication channel open between the application and the TMP; perhaps ECB semaphores, POSIX pipes, or sockets. (I suspect the implementation of the modal EDIT is somewhat like this.) Further line input from the TMP, CLIST, or EXEC would be passed to the modal application, which would return messages and status. This interaction would continue until the TMP passed the application an END command and the application returned a status indicating it exited. The modal app does not return to the TMP. The app simply issues a PUTGET to prompt and obtain a subcommand. If the app is running in a CLIST the "get" part of the PUTGET is satisfied when the CLIST eventually reaches something that is not a CLIST statement, but a command, and the app gets that returned to it. Is the CLIST "TERMIN" command considered modal? The CLIST continues to run (sort-of) but no code in it is executed until the user enters one of the operand commands. Any other TSO commands can be issued, including modal ones. Good point; I had forgotten about TERMIN. I think this processing is different from the way the truly modal commands work, however, as they see (and process) the input. However, as you noted, the CLIST is suspended and does not see any input except for the input line that terminates TERMIN mode and returns control to the CLIST. Since the command prompt looks the same (READY), this has possible security implications (as a trojan, for instance). I don't see TERMIN as having much potential to act as a trojan. WRITE and READ, on the other hand, do seem to have potential for use in trojans. Walt Farrell, CISSP z/OS Security Design, IBM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Bravo! But you do realize, don't you, that you're trying to drag the mainframe, user interface kicking and screaming, into the 21st century? (Well, maybe, at least the 1980's.) > I have users of a class with a minority requirement. > They wish to edit mainframe files with the genuine > ISPF/PDF. > And, I'd like to provide a facility where they can click on a menu > item on the workstation and launch ISPF/PDF for that file, running > on the mainframe, and displaying on the workstation, without contention > from other sessions the user may have active on the mainframe. I > experimented with REXEC launching ISPGUI. ISPGUI is ugly. Does > ISPGUI support color? I'd still like the real McCoy. > As for the lack of a Linux agent mentioned elsewhere in this thread, > hasn't IBM heard of the multi-platform X11 protocol? Has IBM responded to your requirements? Oh, you haven't written requirements? My mistake. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES2 input queue priority
Ron wrote : -- There has never been a guarantee that with all things being equal, a JES2 initiator will select jobs from the Input Queue in the order they were submitted. This is because they go through CONVERSION first, and I'm think I'm right to say that with all else being equal they will be selected from the input queue in the order that they completed CONVERSION. -- Hi Ron, Many thanks for your valuable help, I guess the definition CNVTNUM=1 would resolve the problem, but today at the same environment with the everything is the same, JOB1 started first and then JOB2. Just like as we requested.So far all the things explained or discussed about this issue applied for my JOB1 this time. Regards. Nasuh. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Geoplex performance considerations
"TISLER Zaromil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > > > When I left IGS in June 2004, CF mirroring was not supported. > > Is it now? > > No. > It depends on what you call CF mirroring: System Managed Coupling Facility Structure Duplexing is supported now. This requires direct links between the CF's and these links seem to be limited to 5 km to prevent unacceptable delays. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES2 input queue priority
Nasuh, I think that the answer to your question was hidden within the several responses. There has never been a guarantee that with all things being equal, a JES2 initiator will select jobs from the Input Queue in the order they were submitted. This is because they go through CONVERSION first, and I'm think I'm right to say that with all else being equal they will be selected from the input queue in the order that they completed CONVERSION. Selection from the Input queue is not influenced by the Job number at all. You mention below that you have two CONVERTERS defined to JES2 (CNVTNUM=2) so when you submit the jobs it is likely that each one will be converted concurrently, and the converters will complete asynchronously. If the 2nd job completes conversion first then it is first on the input queue and the initiator will take it first. David Andrews suggested earlier that you reduce to CNVTNUM=1 so that conversion is single threaded, and your problem will be resolved. Ron > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Nasuh KARAHALLI > Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 5:07 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: JES2 input queue priority > > Many thanks to ones who responded, > > This is the first case I have have ever see such kind issue, so yesterday > or other past days no problem was available. Anyway, we have MAS and > PCEDEF CNVTNUM=2, (2 Converter PCEs). If you assign two or more jobs > only > one init class, I think no matter how many CPUs, PCEs you have and so on. > > Regards. > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES2 input queue priority
Martin wrote : --- Do both jobs have the same WLM service class? Do they both have the same system affinity, if any? - Hi Martin, My answer is unfortnately yes. They have exacly the same definitions and attributes. Regards. Nasuh. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES2 input queue priority
Brian Wrote : -- JOB2 had many fewer card image lines which have // in the first two characters as compared to your JOB1, and thus JOB2 completed conversion first. -- Two jobs have necessarily the same lines in size. Their start time was at the same second (ie : 16:23:04.45 and 16:23:04.51) maybe JES2 sometimes doesn't care about split seconds Nasuh. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Geoplex performance considerations
> When I left IGS in June 2004, CF mirroring was not supported. > Is it now? No. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES2 input queue priority
John Mckown wrote : -- This "ordering" in the past was never guaranteed, just assumed by many due to observation. JES2, unlike JES3, -- John, I completely aggree with you, but how about the job Ids (or unique job numbers) given to jobs, in this case the system happened to run the job with higher jobid number earlier, right ? This comes to me a littler interesting .. Regards. Nasuh. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES2 input queue priority
Many thanks to ones who responded, This is the first case I have have ever see such kind issue, so yesterday or other past days no problem was available. Anyway, we have MAS and PCEDEF CNVTNUM=2, (2 Converter PCEs). If you assign two or more jobs only one init class, I think no matter how many CPUs, PCEs you have and so on. Regards. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PREVENTING TAKING TOO MUCH STOR IN ISPF
Mark > Ahhh... forgot about that feature. You don't need to create a > separate data set though. Just use ZDEFAULT as the profile name Of course, I should have realised that. Ta, muchly Julian > on ISPF option 2 EDIT panel. This only needs to be done once (per > profile data set - in case you use different data sets on different > LPARs). > > Mark > -- Try Capscan's new online bureau at http://www.capscanintegrity.com * Matchcode International "Best International Product" at IDMF * *** This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it was addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. Please delete any copies you may have, on any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and do not necessarily represent the views of Capscan Ltd and/or its subsidiaries. Please be aware that Internet communications are not secure. Capscan Limited Head Office: Capscan Limited Grand Union House 20 Kentish Town Road London NW1 9BB Registered in England no. 1183941 *** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES2 input queue priority
Kees wrote : --- Do you have a MAS where both jobs can be converted and run? How many convertors do you have available? JES2 can't keep jobs waiting for a resource. If they "wait for a resource" they must have "started" already. How do they wait for the resource and how do they determine the resource is available? - Hi Kees, Waiting a resource, say, a dataset currently used by another user, is no matter here. That was just what is actually happening. So this is not an issue or matter here. So let's forget about resource case. Anyway let's start from the point where everything is okay for them to run rather than there is only one initiator for them. Plus as a natural expectation the system gave the two distinct job IDs. First submitted jobs has lower job number and same input queue priority with second submitted job, and they both went through JES2 input queue. As I looked at input queue (this time that initiator is allocated another job) for a while first job seem to be run first.. When the initiator is ready to select a job between these two second job is selected for execution at first. Regards. Nasuh. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
