Test Posting, please ignore

[Anthony Fletcher]

Test only

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A failure at SHARE

[Steve Comstock]

Well, yesterday I was able to attend a full day at
SHARE in Denver. It was great to see old friends
and colleagues, to put faces to names I've seen on
ibm-main and other forums, and to meet new folks.

But I guess I have to admit I was a total failure
on one account: I was not snubbed by anyone! I
found everyone to be friendly and inclusive. No
one ignored me if I made eye contact. What did I
do wrong?


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Re: A failure at SHARE

[Richards, Robert B.]

Steve,

I've seen you before. You smile too much and that disarms folks! :-)

You could have worn a badge with Ed. G on itthat may have helped. 

Bob
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Subject: A failure at SHARE

Well, yesterday I was able to attend a full day at
SHARE in Denver. It was great to see old friends
and colleagues, to put faces to names I've seen on
ibm-main and other forums, and to meet new folks.

But I guess I have to admit I was a total failure
on one account: I was not snubbed by anyone! I
found everyone to be friendly and inclusive. No
one ignored me if I made eye contact. What did I
do wrong?


:-)

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Re: A failure at SHARE

[John P Kalinich]

Steve Comstock of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
wrote on 08/28/2009 08:08:58 AM:

> Well, yesterday I was able to attend a full day at
> SHARE in Denver. It was great to see old friends
> and colleagues, to put faces to names I've seen on
> ibm-main and other forums, and to meet new folks.
>
> But I guess I have to admit I was a total failure
> on one account: I was not snubbed by anyone! I
> found everyone to be friendly and inclusive. No
> one ignored me if I made eye contact. What did I
> do wrong?

Nothing.  You live in Denver, so the sycophants were hoping they could get
an invite to your hacienda for a free meal.  IIRC, Thursday is dessert
night at SCIDS.

Regards,
John K

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Re: how-to Sysplex? - the LOGR and exploiters part

[Shane]

On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 01:28 -0500, Chris Craddock wrote:

> ...
> So I'll throw the question to the assembled throng; should IBM abandon
> sysplex as the centerpiece of their growth/automation/availability strategy
> for z/OS workloads, or should they remove the barriers (real and imagined)
> to genuine sysplex adoption and exploitation? But if you vote for abandoning
> sysplex, what's your other plan?

Back when the z9 announcement was done here I queried the product
manager whether the hoopla re consolidating everything back to one
footprint indicated an abandonment of the sysplex dream.
Mm - of course not !
The z10 and even larger engine counts seems headed in the same
direction.

Personally, unless fully implemented, I don't see the point to parallel
sysplex. In other worlds clusters work, and cloud is well above the
event horizon.
Will z/OS still be a player, or will zLinux be the dominant force in
this pond ?. Barbara won't be happy if it's the latter ...   :0)

Shane ...

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Re: A failure at SHARE

[Mark Zelden]

On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:27:19 -0500, John P Kalinich  wrote:

>Steve Comstock of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>wrote on 08/28/2009 08:08:58 AM:
>
>> Well, yesterday I was able to attend a full day at
>> SHARE in Denver. It was great to see old friends
>> and colleagues, to put faces to names I've seen on
>> ibm-main and other forums, and to meet new folks.
>>
>> But I guess I have to admit I was a total failure
>> on one account: I was not snubbed by anyone! I
>> found everyone to be friendly and inclusive. No
>> one ignored me if I made eye contact. What did I
>> do wrong?
>
>Nothing.  You live in Denver, so the sycophants were hoping they could get
>an invite to your hacienda for a free meal.  IIRC, Thursday is dessert
>night at SCIDS.
>

Not this time.  Unless you consider peanuts and chips desert.  
Sign of the times

BTW, I thought I snubbed Steve quite well.  :-)

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Re: how-to Sysplex? - the LOGR and exploiters part

[R.S.]

(Friday question about priceplex)

It happens that independent systems/apllications are sysplexed 
(connected together) just to get savings from licenses etc.


Q: why not to put all the systems on one large CPC?
From licensing point of view it can be as effective as parallel sysplex.
From RAS point of view - well, application A on CPC A and app. B on CPC 
B is not more secure, unless you really integrate it.


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Re: Test Posting, please ignore

[Thompson, Steve]

Duly ignored.

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Re: Need new 3270 emulator: SSH, inexpensive, reliable

[Anne & Lynn Wheeler]

steve.fi...@eds.com (Finch, Steve) writes:
> Most VPNs do not encrypt the connection from endpoint to endpoint, which
> is what is PCI requires. The VPN would need to start on the mainframe
> and go all the way to the PC. Most VPN run on a appliance (server), a
> hop away from the mainframe. The "last hop' blows' the PCI 

There is discussion of this article in (linkedin) Information Security
Network article:

PCI SSC Seeks standard for End to End Encryption?
http://pcianswers.com/2009/08/27/pci-ssc-seeks-standard-for-end-to-end-encryption/

and some of my post in that discussion
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#22

misc. past posts in this thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#5 Need new 3270 emulator: SSH, 
inexpensive, reliable
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#7 Need new 3270 emulator: SSH, 
inexpensive, reliable
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#8 Need new 3270 emulator: SSH, 
inexpensive, reliable
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#12 Need new 3270 emulator: SSH, 
inexpensive, reliable
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#15 Need new 3270 emulator: SSH, 
inexpensive, reliable

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Re: A failure at SHARE

[Scott Rowe]

Well for one thing, I don't think I got a chance to snub you.

I did, however, snub Tom Conley.

>>> Steve Comstock  08/28/09 9:08 AM >>>
Well, yesterday I was able to attend a full day at
SHARE in Denver. It was great to see old friends
and colleagues, to put faces to names I've seen on
ibm-main and other forums, and to meet new folks.

But I guess I have to admit I was a total failure
on one account: I was not snubbed by anyone! I
found everyone to be friendly and inclusive. No
one ignored me if I made eye contact. What did I
do wrong?


:-)



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Re: Binder API...broke or working as designed

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In , on 08/27/2009
   at 09:42 PM, "William H. Blair"  said:

>Normally, one does not run in key 0 problem state,

Started tasks normally run in problem state even when the key is 0. I'd
guess that IBM ships more code that runs key 0 problem state than the do
running in supervisor state. 

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Re: Binder API...broke or working as designed

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In ,
on 08/28/2009
   at 12:10 AM, Jim Mulder  said:

>Since MVS/XA:

The conversion of subpool 0 to 252 goes all the way back to OS/360.
 
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RIP "snubbing"

[David Andrews]

> I was not snubbed by anyone! I found everyone to be friendly and
> inclusive.

This old joke once had a point, but now it simply is old and not very
funny.  Many years ago my dad would berate us for days for a small
infraction of the rules, beating the proverbial dead horse.  I hated it
then, and I hate it now.  Can't we get past this, please?

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Re: A failure at SHARE

[Eric Bielefeld]

How cold.  Something tells me Ed G won't be coming to Share, as he is 
retired.


I keep trying to remember when I was at Share.  The mind forgets more each 
day.  I went to San Fransisco one year and Long Beach the next (or maybe it 
was the other way around).  It was probably around 2002 - 2004.  I wish I 
could be there to snub you all, although probably by the time many of you 
read this, you'll be on your way home.


Somebody snub Tom Conley for me.

Thanks,

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From: "Richards, Robert B." 



Steve,

I've seen you before. You smile too much and that disarms folks! :-)

You could have worn a badge with Ed. G on itthat may have helped. 



Bob 


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Re: RIP "snubbing"

[Guy Gardoit]

Agree.   The same old "clique" endures ... quite boring.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:00 AM, David Andrews  wrote:

> > I was not snubbed by anyone! I found everyone to be friendly and
> > inclusive.
>
> This old joke once had a point, but now it simply is old and not very
> funny.  Many years ago my dad would berate us for days for a small
> infraction of the rules, beating the proverbial dead horse.  I hated it
> then, and I hate it now.  Can't we get past this, please?
>
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Re: A failure at SHARE

[Richards, Robert B.]

An apology if I offended you, Eric. David may be right. If the original source 
of the snub thread (Ed) never comments again on how snobbish you SHARE folks 
are (yeah you, you elitist, prima donna, high priest of smoke and mirrors), 
then perhaps it is time to let this thread die. However, snubbing appears to 
have taken on a life of its own in SHARE's culture.

For my part, I will try in the future to resist the urge to comment on it. Note 
I said "try". 

Bob


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How cold.  Something tells me Ed G won't be coming to Share, as he is
retired.

I keep trying to remember when I was at Share.  The mind forgets more each
day.  I went to San Fransisco one year and Long Beach the next (or maybe it
was the other way around).  It was probably around 2002 - 2004.  I wish I
could be there to snub you all, although probably by the time many of you
read this, you'll be on your way home.

Somebody snub Tom Conley for me.

Thanks,

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From: "Richards, Robert B." 

> Steve,
>
> I've seen you before. You smile too much and that disarms folks! :-)
>
> You could have worn a badge with Ed. G on itthat may have helped.
> 
>
> Bob

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SV: Test Posting, please ignore

[Thomas Berg]

Me too.
 

> -Ursprungligt meddelande-
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> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] För Thompson, Steve
> Skickat: den 28 augusti 2009 15:56
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> Duly ignored.
> 
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Re: Binder API...broke or working as designed

[Chris Craddock]

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Peter Relson  wrote:

> There is no subpool that would satisfy both of the following
> -- work for unauthorized callers running in their state and key
> -- work for authorized callers running in their state and key and not come
> out of "low private" (where "low" refers to the user region, not to "below
> 16M")
>
> So it's at least not simply a matter of subpool choice (since "low
> private" is usually a concern for an authorized application).
>
> Yes, of course, an application could at runtime select which subpool to
> use.
>
> This thread had made me think about this a few days ago.
>
> I wonder if they happen to use subpool 0 which might, at least, let a key 0
> invocation work (as it would be translated to subpool 252; I can't remember
> if that also requires supervisor state)


Privileged progams are responsible for making conscious informed choices
about the subpools. The translation to/from SP252 for naieve callers taking
the (SP0) default has been around longer than I have. But I doubt very much
that that would even help in this case. The interface specification for the
API says...

* Enabled for I/O and external interrupts
* Holds no locks
* In task control block (TCB) mode
* With PSW key equal to the job step TCB key  <=== Here's the first clue
something is wrong
* In primary address space mode
* In 31-bit addressing mode
* In either supervisor or problem program state <=== And here's the second
clue
* With no FRRs on the current FRR stack.

The doc goes on to say immediately after that;

"You can call the binder in both problem program and supervisor state and in
any PSW storage key."

The last statement appears to contradict the statement in the interface
definition, nevertheless as you are aware that statement is quite
problematic for privileged programs. The PSW key must match the job step
task's key - I believe that the requirement is specified this way because
load modules and program objects are step level resources and the binder
uses a low private step level subpool during processing.

But they also say the caller can be in supervisor state... and the only way
that could be a safe thing to do would be in an address space with an APF
authorized job step task, or in an address space with a system protection
key specified via PPT. The more prosaic case of a piece of (privileged)
infrastructure code performing a service on behalf of a completely
non-privileged program appears to me to be ruled out on integrity grounds
despite the ambivalence in the wording of the documentation.

I believe that the API was written in a completely naieve fashion much like
any other batch program and certainly without any thought to properly
handling the nuances presented by a privileged caller in an otherwise
non-privileged environment. Given that, we elected not to persevere with
using it. However, just to be crystal clear. These deficiencies of the API
were only the final icing on the cake. The real deal-breaker is that the
multipart class architecture of PM3 (as currently implemented) is unusable
at all. So even if the binder API were to be refactored at some time in the
future to behave like any other well formed system service, the result would
be moot.

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Re: RIP "snubbing"

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 8/28/2009 10:00:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
d...@lists.duda.com writes:

infraction of the rules, beating the proverbial dead horse.  I  hated it
then, and I hate it now.  Can't we get past this,  please?

>>
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Re: RIP "snubbing"

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

>I was not snubbed by anyone! I found everyone to be friendly and inclusive.

What is 'snubbing'? Or rather what is 'snubbing at SHARE'?

Free Online Dictionary said:

1. To ignore or behave coldly toward; slight.  To treat, or speak to, in a 
cold, 
scornful way.
3. Verb: to insult (someone) deliberately 
4. Noun: a deliberately insulting act or remark 

Merriam-Webster: 'to treat with contempt or neglect'

>This old joke once had a point, but now it simply is old and not very funny.
 
True! What is so funny about being insulted/ignored?

Groete / Greetings
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Re: RIP "snubbing"

[Mark Zelden]

On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:33:35 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht
 wrote:

>>I was not snubbed by anyone! I found everyone to be friendly and inclusive.
>
>What is 'snubbing'? Or rather what is 'snubbing at SHARE'?
>
>Free Online Dictionary said:
>
>1. To ignore or behave coldly toward; slight.  To treat, or speak to, in a
cold,
>scornful way.
>3. Verb: to insult (someone) deliberately
>4. Noun: a deliberately insulting act or remark
>
>Merriam-Webster: 'to treat with contempt or neglect'
>
>>This old joke once had a point, but now it simply is old and not very funny.
>
>True! What is so funny about being insulted/ignored?
>

That is not the SHARE definition.  See The Devil's IT Dictionary:

http://www.isham-research.co.uk/dd.html#snubbing

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Re: TSSO in a sysplex

[Dana]

So far I have made an update to TSSO to allow you to insert the system name 
that issued a message, into the OSCMD operand in the AOF table.  That seems 
to be working quite well.

But I've come up with another question.  We have two JES2plexes running in 
one SYSPLEX.  It appears that I am only seeing messages in TSSO from other 
members of the JES2 plex,  and no messages from members of the other JES 
plex.   Shouldn't  I see messages equally from all members of the sysplex?

In reading the FM, it talks about the order of subsystems, and cautions that 
one subsystem might receive a message after it has been altered by another 
watcher of SSI 9,  could JES2 possibly be snuffing out messages from other 
JESplexes before poor TSSO gets to see them.The FM goes on to say that 
SSI 9 isn't the recommended way to process WTO's now.  It offers MCSOPER 
and MCSOPMSG services as a more up to date way to do it.  Do you think that 
could possibly work better in this area?

Thanks
Dana

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Re: A failure at SHARE

[Rick Fochtman]

Steve Comstock wrote:


Well, yesterday I was able to attend a full day at
SHARE in Denver. It was great to see old friends
and colleagues, to put faces to names I've seen on
ibm-main and other forums, and to meet new folks.

But I guess I have to admit I was a total failure
on one account: I was not snubbed by anyone! I
found everyone to be friendly and inclusive. No
one ignored me if I made eye contact. What did I
do wrong?


:-)


Not one damn thiung...

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Re: RIP "snubbing"

[Patrick O'Keefe]

On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:00:12 -0400, David Andrews 
 wrote:

>> I was not snubbed by anyone! I found everyone to be friendly and
>> inclusive.
>
>This old joke once had a point, but now it simply is old and not very
>funny.  ...

I'm guilty "first mention" this time and I'm unrepentant.

I said I was not going to be at SHARE and asked someone to snub
people for me.  Translation:  "I wish I were attending but I'm not.
Greet people for me."

Being a very strong SHARE advocate / bigot, I (and many others)
happily took the term "snub" as a name for typical interactions at
SHARE (which are very far removed from a snub).

An in-joke that is not very "in" and not much of a joke but pretty
innocuous as far as I'm concerned, and significant enough to be 
added to the Devil's IT Dictionary as mentioned in this thread.

Pat O'Keefe

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Re: A failure at SHARE

[Edward Jaffe]

Steve Comstock wrote:

Well, yesterday I was able to attend a full day at
SHARE in Denver. It was great to see old friends
and colleagues, to put faces to names I've seen on
ibm-main and other forums, and to meet new folks.

But I guess I have to admit I was a total failure
on one account: I was not snubbed by anyone! I
found everyone to be friendly and inclusive. No
one ignored me if I made eye contact. What did I
do wrong?


People were too busy learning from you... ;-)

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to copy directories and to preserve all the attributes

[Shahnaz]

Hi all, 
 
Under Unix System Services (z/OS 1.9), how can I copy some directories from one 
to another and preserve all the attributes (i.e., last modified, last changed, 
last accessed, created, etc.). 
 
I am using something like: "cp -Rp /u/user1/source/*   /u/user2/source"
 
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Re: RIP "snubbing"

[Eric Bielefeld]

Just a general comment on telling people to stop a thread.  I agree this 
thread should be stopped, and if Darren were monitoring the list like he 
used to, I'm sure he would have piped up by now or disabled someones ID. 
Many many threads in the past where people complain just seem to start new 
threads, like this one.  My advice, don't say anything.  Threads like this 
one might die faster that way.


And yes, I'm guilty of extending this thread too.

Oh well - Share is done and the snubbing will have to be continued again in 
6 months!  Maybe by then I will have a job and be able to come.


Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Re: RIP "snubbing"

[Linda Mooney]

Hi Mark, 



I have attended 6 of the last 8 Shares and I thought I hadn't been snubbed - I 
mean to the point of feeling a little 'left out'. :-(    Now I know that I have 
been roundly and thoroughly snubbed! :-  Thanks for the dictionary link.  



Linda Mooney 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Zelden"  
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:46:20 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: RIP "snubbing" 

On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:33:35 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht 
 wrote: 

>>I was not snubbed by anyone! I found everyone to be friendly and inclusive. 
> 
>What is 'snubbing'? Or rather what is 'snubbing at SHARE'? 
> 
>Free Online Dictionary said: 
> 
>1. To ignore or behave coldly toward; slight.  To treat, or speak to, in a 
cold, 
>scornful way. 
>3. Verb: to insult (someone) deliberately 
>4. Noun: a deliberately insulting act or remark 
> 
>Merriam-Webster: 'to treat with contempt or neglect' 
> 
>>This old joke once had a point, but now it simply is old and not very funny. 
> 
>True! What is so funny about being insulted/ignored? 
> 

That is not the SHARE definition.  See The Devil's IT Dictionary: 

http://www.isham-research.co.uk/dd.html#snubbing 

Mark 
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Re: to copy directories and to preserve all the attributes

[McKown, John]

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shahnaz
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 1:25 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: to copy directories and to preserve all the attributes
> 
> Hi all, 
>  
> Under Unix System Services (z/OS 1.9), how can I copy some 
> directories from one to another and preserve all the 
> attributes (i.e., last modified, last changed, last accessed, 
> created, etc.). 
>  
> I am using something like: "cp -Rp /u/user1/source/*   
> /u/user2/source"
>  
> Thanks

You need to be root to preserve the ownership and such. I generally use pax in 
copy mode:

pax -rw -pe /from/sub /to/sub

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Re: RIP "snubbing"

[Scott Ford]

Amen Mark
 
Scott J Ford
 





From: Mark Zelden 
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:46:20 PM
Subject: Re: RIP "snubbing"

On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:33:35 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht
 wrote:

>>I was not snubbed by anyone! I found everyone to be friendly and inclusive.
>
>What is 'snubbing'? Or rather what is 'snubbing at SHARE'?
>
>Free Online Dictionary said:
>
>1. To ignore or behave coldly toward; slight.  To treat, or speak to, in a
cold,
>scornful way.
>3. Verb: to insult (someone) deliberately
>4. Noun: a deliberately insulting act or remark
>
>Merriam-Webster: 'to treat with contempt or neglect'
>
>>This old joke once had a point, but now it simply is old and not very funny.
>
>True! What is so funny about being insulted/ignored?
>

That is not the SHARE definition.  See The Devil's IT Dictionary:

http://www.isham-research.co.uk/dd.html#snubbing

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SHARE Trip Reports (Was: RIP "snubbing")

[John P Kalinich]

Let's change the subject.  Would the snubbers please SHARE what they
learned?

Regards,
John K

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Re: SHARE Trip Reports (Was: RIP "snubbing")

[Gibney, Dave]

  And, any word on when SHARE in Seattle will become active on
share.org? I may have to fund it myself, but I don't plan on missing it
:)

Dave Gibney
Information Technology Services
Washington State University


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> Subject: SHARE Trip Reports (Was: RIP "snubbing")
> 
> Let's change the subject.  Would the snubbers please SHARE what they
> learned?
> 
> Regards,
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Re: to copy directories and to preserve all the attributes

[Shahnaz]

 
Thanks John but this still did not do what I need (last modified, last changed, 
last accessed, created, were all today's date).
 
I want what 3.3 does copying one PDS to another with Replace option. The 
similar members in output PDS will have "last changed dates" of the input PDS  
 
Thanks.  
--- On Fri, 8/28/09, McKown, John  wrote:


From: McKown, John 
Subject: Re: to copy directories and to preserve all the attributes
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 2:39 PM


> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shahnaz
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 1:25 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: to copy directories and to preserve all the attributes
> 
> Hi all, 
>  
> Under Unix System Services (z/OS 1.9), how can I copy some 
> directories from one to another and preserve all the 
> attributes (i.e., last modified, last changed, last accessed, 
> created, etc.). 
>  
> I am using something like: "cp -Rp /u/user1/source/*   
> /u/user2/source"
>  
> Thanks

You need to be root to preserve the ownership and such. I generally use pax in 
copy mode:

pax -rw -pe /from/sub /to/sub

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Re: to copy directories and to preserve all the attributes

[Steve Comstock]

Shahnaz wrote:
 
Thanks John but this still did not do what I need (last modified, last changed, last accessed, created, were all today's date).
 
I want what 3.3 does copying one PDS to another with Replace option. The similar members in output PDS will have "last changed dates" of the input PDS  
 
Thanks.  


My reading of the doc is that if you create the pax file
with the -t option, and unwind the file including the flag
   -p eopx
this will do what you want; but I haven't tested it.



--- On Fri, 8/28/09, McKown, John  wrote:


From: McKown, John 
Subject: Re: to copy directories and to preserve all the attributes
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 2:39 PM



-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
[mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shahnaz

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 1:25 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: to copy directories and to preserve all the attributes

Hi all, 
 
Under Unix System Services (z/OS 1.9), how can I copy some 
directories from one to another and preserve all the 
attributes (i.e., last modified, last changed, last accessed, 
created, etc.). 
 
I am using something like: "cp -Rp /u/user1/source/*   
/u/user2/source"
 
Thanks


You need to be root to preserve the ownership and such. I generally use pax in 
copy mode:

pax -rw -pe /from/sub /to/sub

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Re: to copy directories and to preserve all the attributes

[Shahnaz]

Thanks Steve. The thing is I do not know much about Unix Commands and their 
flags. It will be great if you can send a link of the document that you are 
mentioned. I looked (clearly in wrong pleases) and could not find much about 
“pax”. I was going to look more on Monday morning but the if would be a short 
cut for me if you send me a link to such a document. Thanks!  
--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Steve Comstock  wrote:


From: Steve Comstock 
Subject: Re: to copy directories and to preserve all the attributes
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 5:02 PM


Shahnaz wrote:
>  Thanks John but this still did not do what I need (last modified, last 
>changed, last accessed, created, were all today's date).
>  I want what 3.3 does copying one PDS to another with Replace option. The 
>similar members in output PDS will have "last changed dates" of the input 
>PDS   Thanks.  

My reading of the doc is that if you create the pax file
with the -t option, and unwind the file including the flag
   -p eopx
this will do what you want; but I haven't tested it.


> --- On Fri, 8/28/09, McKown, John  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: McKown, John 
> Subject: Re: to copy directories and to preserve all the attributes
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 2:39 PM
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf 
>> Of Shahnaz
>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 1:25 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>> Subject: to copy directories and to preserve all the attributes
>> 
>> Hi all,  Under Unix System Services (z/OS 1.9), how can I copy some 
>> directories from one to another and preserve all the attributes (i.e., last 
>> modified, last changed, last accessed, created, etc.).  I am using something 
>> like: "cp -Rp /u/user1/source/*   /u/user2/source"
>>  Thanks
> 
> You need to be root to preserve the ownership and such. I generally use pax 
> in copy mode:
> 
> pax -rw -pe /from/sub /to/sub
> 
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Re: to copy directories and to preserve all the attributes

[Scott Barry]

On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:42:52 -0700, Shahnaz  wrote:

>Thanks Steve. The thing is I do not know much about Unix Commands and their
flags. It will be great if you can send a link of the document that you are
mentioned. I looked (clearly in wrong pleases) and could not find much
about “pax”. I was going to look more on Monday morning but the if would
be a short cut for me if you send me a link to such a document. Thanks!  
>--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Steve Comstock  wrote:
>

IBM now publishes a set of guides on z/OS ABC's for all to reference and
digest.  Here is a very effective Google search argument to help you locate
such information:

+z/os +abcs +"unix system services"


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SBBWorks, Inc.

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