What's NAPS?
I was surfing the PSP buckets for z/OS 1.4 and came across something calles NAPS. I found references to EUVF* in the body. What product is NAPS and EUVF? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What's NAPS?
Thanks, Walt. I was looking for some info on potential applications. Any good redbooks on the subject?--- On Thu 11/16, Walt Farrell < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Walt Farrell [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:06:55 -0500Subject: Re: What's NAPS?On 11/16/2006 10:16 AM, Bruce A. McKnight wrote:> I was surfing the PSP buckets for z/OS 1.4 and came across something calles NAPS. I found references to EUVF* in the body. What product is NAPS and EUVF?> Probably the Network Authentication Services component (which implements Kerberos for z/OS). See http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/EZ2ZO10H?filter=network+au&SUBMIT=Find or http://makeashorterlink.com/?X4AF2133E for more information.Walt Farrell, CISSPz/OS Security Design, IBM--For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFOSearch the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where can you get a Minor in Mainframe?
At least someone created yours for you... we had to make our own creation. Sure, it wasn't as nice as the rich kid's creation but we made do.--- On Fri 11/17, Mark Hammond < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Mark Hammond [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:11:52 -0600Subject: Re: Where can you get a Minor in Mainframe?What?!?! You had rocks? We had to wait for the creation of the world (my kids tell me I am older than dirt.)Mark Hammond-Original Message-From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Daniel A. McLaughlinSent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:35 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Where can you get a Minor in Mainframe?We didn't have punched cards, we had chiseled rocks. A sort took 40people all day...Daniel McLaughlin Z-Series Systems ProgrammerCrawford & Company4680 N. Royal AtlantaTucker GA 30084 phone: 770-621-3256 fax: 770-621-3237email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: www.crawfordandcompany.com--For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFOSearch the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What's a mainframe?
And just what Kool-Aid have YOU been drinking?--- On Sat 11/18, Chaye Wala < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Chaye Wala [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:21:26 -0800Subject: Re: What's a mainframe?If you can fool all of the people all of the time that a mainframe performs better then it indeed is a mainframe.It is non standard character set representing nonstandard applications which do not work and can not be migrated from a non standard platoform run by bunch of stupids decieving themselves, knowingly that the same work can be done by a much smaller hardware with losss lesscost is called a mainframe.It takes a life time to open one's eyes if the eyesight was ruined by either IBM or mainframe.>From: "FRASER, Brian" >Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List >To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU>Subject: Re: What's a mainframe?>Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:34:01 +1000>>"an obsolete device still used by thousands of obsolete companies>serving billions of obsolete customers and making huge obsolete profits>for their obsolete shareholders. And this year's run twice as fast as>last year's.">>--For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFOSearch the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
IMHO, IBM is making a foolish tactical blunder. Apparently they've missed the obvious lessons that Linux and Java have taught about freely available software. If it were my "dog", I'd come up with a limited-capacity version of z/OS that runs on Windows and Linux systems, or even as a native Intel operating system, and make it freely available. Sure, it would cost quite a bit up front and you'd have smaller businesses using it "illegally", but it would help secure future generations of z/OSers. Give it to the technical masses and the corporations will follow suit because of the installed intellectual base. IBM is making money from Linux so it seems they already know this works. Scaling a business-oriented OS like z/OS down and making price competitive with other Intel OSes would give smaller companies a broader choice. Most didn't make an informed choice. They are using what they already know. As they grow and their needs expand, it will make it that much easier to move into a mainframe-class machine down the road. If all they have is Windows or Linux and grow through server sprawl, what are they going to choose when their server farm gets too large? It sure won't be to a mainframe! It'll be to faster, denser server boxes with TCO cost 2x of an equivalent mainframe, but having no experience with a mainframe, coupled with all the gloom and doom pontifications about mainframes going away, they're not even going to let the IBM sales rep in the door. "Win their hearts and their minds and bodies will follow." So simple, yet so overlooked.--- On Tue 12/05, Pinnacle < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:From: Pinnacle [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:43:27 -0500Subject: Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones- Original Message - From: "Anne & Lynn Wheeler" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-mainTo: Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:55 AMSubject: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones>> IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones> http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=BKMIXSNECXW0OQSNDLSCKHA?articleID=196601610>What a chilling development, especially on the heels of IBM's refusal to renew the FLEX-ES patent licenses. Soon the z9 BC will be the only entry-level machine available for commercial use. Unless IBM and PSI reach a settlement, this lawsuit puts PSI out of business (unless the venture capitalists can keep it afloat for the 10 years it will take to decide the patent lawsuit). What a mess. Any chance we'd ever see a personal license for z/OS probably just vanished.Regards,Tom Conley --For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFOSearch the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
Well, I was just trying to keep this family-friendly. :-)--- On Tue 12/05, McKown, John < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: McKown, John [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:10:16 -0600Subject: Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones> -Original Message-> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:52 PM> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU> Subject: Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones> > > "Win their hearts and their minds and bodies will> follow."> > And most of all their money.Hum, strange that I remember: "If you have them by the b...s, theirhearts and minds will follow."--John McKownSenior Systems ProgrammerHealthMarketsKeeping the Promise of Affordable CoverageAdministrative Services GroupInformation TechnologyThis message (including any attachments) contains confidentialinformation intended for a specific individual and purpose, and itscontent is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, youshould delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure,copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any actionbased on it, is strictly prohibited. --For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFOSearch the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
May as well ask what would someone want to use RedHat Linux Enterprise Edition
or Windows Server 2003. The average person probably wouldn't use any of them
since all they're really interested in is a single user session. Those who are
interested in the inner workings of multi-user, network capable server
operating systems would be in heaven!--- On Tue 12/05, McKown, John < [EMAIL
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From: McKown, John [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tue, 5 Dec
2006 14:30:23 -0600Subject: Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe
clones> -Original Message-> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
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sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones> > > >"Win their hearts
and their minds and bodies will> follow."> > IBM has/will never
learn.> > If I had a PC-based z/OS, I would never touch windows,
again.> > Of course, it would have to have a browser (and solitare).
(8-{]}> > When in doubt.> PANIC!! Just out of curiosity, of what use
would an inexpensive "desktop" z/OSbe for the average person? If you want
reliability, then use a Linuxdistro. Now, if it could be used for program
development, ...?--John McKownSenior Systems
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Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
I'm just guessing but 85% gross margin seems way too high. At 85%, the customers would be throwing a royal fit and the FTC would be sharpening their fangs to take another huge bite out of IBM. 15% is probably more likely. Besides, the real profit comes from software. IBM could give the hardware away and still make a huge profit on software licensing. --- On Wed 12/20, Phil Payne < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:From: Phil Payne [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 00:54:15 -Subject: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clonesWith a gross margin on mainframe software around 85%, surely IBM would fall over its own feetif another supplier were to promote z/Architecture in a credible way to new accounts andexpand the zArchitecture installed base.T'ain't the way. Right from the beginning, the PCM industry concentrated on "interceptselling". Find someone about to buy an IBM box, and try and slip one of ours in under the IBMprice.In terms of real lead generation - going out and finding people who hadn't considered amainframe before - all of the PCMs were pathetic. Well, they made no effort whatsoever. Thestrategy was always to find existing IBM users and take a deal from IBM.If PSI had taken a view - with their multi-OS product - that they'd address HP-UX users andconvert them to z/OS - things might have been different. But the implication was the reverse.I'm actually at a loss to know why IBM tolerated PSI's daft little games for so long. Perhapsthey expected PSI's VCs to pull the plug and save them the trouble (and the p/r downside) of alawsuit, as happened with UMX, and were as surprised as me at the VCs' stupidity. Some VCsset new benchmarks for gullibility - one wonders if any of PSI's backers ever consulted ananalyst with current mainframe market experience to valid the basic business plan. 'Cos -IMO - even with software rights the numbers don't work. Sure looks to me like they didn't.Serves them right. PSI's monthly run rate is frightening - with no prospect of any return,ever.I still think there'll be another suit. I cannot believe thatt any VC, presented with a coldlight of day analysis of this product's prospects, would have advanced one red cent.And I also remain convinced that IBM has ultimately taken action not because of any perceivedthreat from the product, but because it's just so pissed off at the quarter by quarteruncertainty generated in the market. Eventually, PSI will implode - it's just taking longerthan it really ought to.Between writing this and sending it - cited from the PSI web site:"PSI Open Mainframes are the first mainframe servers that can run the z/OS, Linux, Windows andUNIX on a single server foorprint."Bolleaux. Even some configurations of the late unlamented IBM xSeries 430 could do that.Some of PSI's claims really stretch credibility.-- Phil Paynehttp://www.isham-research.co.uk+44 7833 654 800--For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFOSearch the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
