Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-17 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:46:40 -0500, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote:

...
The proliferation of the PC has resulted in another proliferation: that
of self-proclaimed experts that know next to nothing, but have loud
voices.
...

Oh, come on!  We've existed and proliferated long before PCs!   :-)

Pat O'Keefe

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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-17 Thread Arthur Gutowski
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:19:08 -0400, Thompson, Steve 
steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote:

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A

There is no more worse than worst.

SNIP

So does that mean that wurst is chopped liver?

So, then, is the knock better, or is the wurst best?

(Sorry, it's Friday, and I couldn't resist.)

Art

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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-17 Thread Thompson, Steve
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Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:50 AM
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Subject: Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:19:08 -0400, Thompson, Steve 
steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote:

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A

There is no more worse than worst.

SNIP

So does that mean that wurst is chopped liver?

So, then, is the knock better, or is the wurst best?

(Sorry, it's Friday, and I couldn't resist.)

SNIP

Or is Liver worst?

(and on it goes for a Friday)

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-17 Thread Rick Fochtman

Paul Gilmartin wrote:


On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:46:40 -0500, Rick Fochtman wrote:
 


The proliferation of the PC has resulted in another proliferation: that
of self-proclaimed experts that know next to nothing, but have loud
voices.

   


Ah, yes.  I suspect we're all nostalgic for the pre-PC proliferation
days when there were no self-proclaimed experts that knew next
to nothing, but had loud voices.
 


---unsnip---
We had them then, too. Just not so many and not so believable to the 
average news reader/watcher. The credibility of the so-called experts 
continues to grow as the gullibility of the average person continues to 
grow with it. Witness the growth of Identity Theft as more and more 
people shop online and respond to ads of questionable nature.


Rick

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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-16 Thread Rick Fochtman

Lizette Koehler wrote:


From the Palistine Herold in Palestine TX.  This was repeated in the Enterprise 
e-Mag.


Apparently when you steal the MAINFRAME the data is on it.


Lizette



Mainframe computer stolen from local TVCC campus

By PAUL STONE
The Palestine Herald

PALESTINE — A “mainframe computer” containing confidential student information 
was stolen over the weekend from the Palestine campus of Trinity Valley 
Community College, according to local authorities.

Anderson County Sheriff Greg Taylor told the Herald-Press Monday that the 
computer was stolen from an office inside the Anderson Building at the rear of 
the campus which is located on Texas 19, north of the Palestine city limits. 
The building houses the college’s EMT, cosmotology and nursing classes, he 
added.

The sheriff said the break-in apparently occurred sometime between 10 a.m. 
Friday and 8 a.m. Monday when it was discovered by a school employee.
Taylor said the computer included student and class information, including 
grades.
“Unfortunately, there’s personal information on there,” the sheriff said.
Also reported stolen from a separate office in the same building was $30 cash 
and a $200 check, according to Taylor.
Additionally, a glass container filled with urine was discovered in the office 
where the money was stolen, according to the sheriff.
The suspect(s) gained entry into the Anderson Building by prying open a back 
door, according to Taylor.
“There was some evidence removed at the scene,” Taylor said. “We don’t have any 
named suspects at this time.”
Estimated amount of damage was unknown as of mid-afternoon Monday.
“Of course, they cut a lot of wires (to take the mainframe computer),” the 
sheriff said. “There will be a lot of damage.”

--- 

Another fine example of know-nothings trying to inform the general 
public. Remember all the flap about Y2K causing power and water systems 
to shut down? Your car no longer working because it's computer controlled?


The proliferation of the PC has resulted in another proliferation: that 
of self-proclaimed experts that know next to nothing, but have loud 
voices.


Rick

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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-16 Thread Clark Morris
On 16 Jul 2009 09:48:19 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:

 much snipped

Another fine example of know-nothings trying to inform the general 
public. Remember all the flap about Y2K causing power and water systems 
to shut down? Your car no longer working because it's computer controlled?

The Y2K office which coordinated all of the efforts for an oil company
I worked at got a report that its 2 fairly new supertankers had Y2K
vunerabilities (obviously they got fixed prior to Y2K).  My small
town's volunteer fire department got a fix for one of their fire
engines for a maintenance computer chip that would not allow the
engine to start if past maintenance interval.  Since a fair number of
members were also mechanics at the local car dealership and related
gas station and body repair shop, they knew how to bypass to bypass
the problem but it wasn't the sort of thing you would want to deal
with on the way to the fire.  I don't believe that I heard about any
known problems with cars.  

The proliferation of the PC has resulted in another proliferation: that 
of self-proclaimed experts that know next to nothing, but have loud 
voices.

Rick


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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-16 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman
 
 [ snip ]
 
 Another fine example of know-nothings trying to inform the general
 public. Remember all the flap about Y2K causing power and water systems
 to shut down? Your car no longer working because it's computer controlled?
 
 The proliferation of the PC has resulted in another proliferation: that
 of self-proclaimed experts that know next to nothing, but have loud
 voices.

Like politicians, only worse?

-jc-

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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-16 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
An MP3000 must be lot smaller and lighter than our MP2003 on which I
would gladly hang a steal me sign if it would save the cost of paying
someone to haul it away.  My computer room has a ramp and if the 6 ft
1500 lb machine rolled over the thief on the way down we'd probably be
liable.

-Original Message-
From: Pommier, Rex R. 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:41 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

MP3000 with internal disk?

Yes, I know the updates tell us that the computer wasn't a mainframe,
but there are/were mainframes that had data in the frame of the machine
- plus it has the benefit of being small enough to fairly easily steal.

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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-16 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
There is no more worse than worst.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:05 AM
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Like politicians, only worse?

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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-16 Thread Thompson, Steve
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Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:17 PM
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There is no more worse than worst.

SNIP

So does that mean that wurst is chopped liver?

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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-16 Thread Hal Merritt
As I recall, our MP3000 was just a tad larger than a two drawer file cabinet.  

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Schwarz, Barry A
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:14 PM
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Subject: Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

An MP3000 must be lot smaller and lighter than our MP2003 on which I
would gladly hang a steal me sign if it would save the cost of paying
someone to haul it away.  My computer room has a ramp and if the 6 ft
1500 lb machine rolled over the thief on the way down we'd probably be
liable.

-Original Message-
From: Pommier, Rex R. 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:41 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

MP3000 with internal disk?

Yes, I know the updates tell us that the computer wasn't a mainframe,
but there are/were mainframes that had data in the frame of the machine
- plus it has the benefit of being small enough to fairly easily steal.

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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-16 Thread Rick Fochtman

Schwarz, Barry A wrote:


There is no more worse than worst.

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Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:05 AM

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Like politicians, only worse?

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Yes there is worse than worst. We call them LAWYERS.

What do you call 100,000 lawyers on the bottom of Lake Michigan?

A GOOD START!!!  :-)

Rick
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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-16 Thread Gainsford, Allen
 The Y2K office which coordinated all of the efforts for an oil company
 I worked at got a report that its 2 fairly new supertankers had Y2K
 vunerabilities (obviously they got fixed prior to Y2K).  My small
 town's volunteer fire department got a fix for one of their fire
 engines for a maintenance computer chip that would not allow the
 engine to start if past maintenance interval.  Since a fair number of
 members were also mechanics at the local car dealership and related
 gas station and body repair shop, they knew how to bypass to bypass
 the problem but it wasn't the sort of thing you would want to deal
 with on the way to the fire.  I don't believe that I heard about any
 known problems with cars.  

In one of the local offices where I work, staff were at their computers,
monitoring their systems, on the night of Y2K.  And right at the stroke
Of midnight, some clever fellow turned off the lights.

There was subdued panic until he turned them back on again.  :)

Regards,
Allen Gainsford

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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-16 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Yup, the entire line of MP3000s (all 3 of them - I don't count the model
55 and 75 as real MP3000s) were just a bit bigger than a 2 drawer file
cabinet.  

From IBM spec's:

Physical Specifications

* Width: 520 mm (20.0 inches)
* Depth: 1,110 mm (43.0 inches)
* Height: 819 mm (31.5 inches)
* Weight: 155 kg maximum, 100 kg base (340 pounds maximum, 220
pounds base) 

Note: This 340-pound system unit is fully configured with 16 DASD,
integrated battery backup, CD-ROM, floppy drive, N+1 power, DAT tape
drive, and all PCI slots filled. In the base configuration, there are
only three 9 GB DASD, N+1 power, CD-ROM, floppy drive, and the DAT tape
drive.



So at somewhere between 220 and 340 pounds, it was definitely
stealable.

Rex


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Behalf Of Hal Merritt
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:31 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
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As I recall, our MP3000 was just a tad larger than a two drawer file
cabinet.  

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:14 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

An MP3000 must be lot smaller and lighter than our MP2003 on which I
would gladly hang a steal me sign if it would save the cost of paying
someone to haul it away.  My computer room has a ramp and if the 6 ft
1500 lb machine rolled over the thief on the way down we'd probably be
liable.

-Original Message-
From: Pommier, Rex R. 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:41 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

MP3000 with internal disk?

Yes, I know the updates tell us that the computer wasn't a mainframe,
but there are/were mainframes that had data in the frame of the machine
- plus it has the benefit of being small enough to fairly easily steal.

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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-16 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Hey Rick.  I live about 8 miles from lake Michigan.  Let me know when they 
start that process!


Eric

(Sorry everyone - I couldn't resist)

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434


- Original Message - 
From: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net

Yes there is worse than worst. We call them LAWYERS.

What do you call 100,000 lawyers on the bottom of Lake Michigan?

A GOOD START!!!  :-)

Rick
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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-16 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:46:40 -0500, Rick Fochtman wrote:

The proliferation of the PC has resulted in another proliferation: that
of self-proclaimed experts that know next to nothing, but have loud
voices.

Ah, yes.  I suspect we're all nostalgic for the pre-PC proliferation
days when there were no self-proclaimed experts that knew next
to nothing, but had loud voices.

-- gil

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Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-15 Thread Lizette Koehler
From the Palistine Herold in Palestine TX.  This was repeated in the 
Enterprise e-Mag.

Apparently when you steal the MAINFRAME the data is on it.


Lizette



Mainframe computer stolen from local TVCC campus

By PAUL STONE
The Palestine Herald

PALESTINE — A “mainframe computer” containing confidential student information 
was stolen over the weekend from the Palestine campus of Trinity Valley 
Community College, according to local authorities.

Anderson County Sheriff Greg Taylor told the Herald-Press Monday that the 
computer was stolen from an office inside the Anderson Building at the rear of 
the campus which is located on Texas 19, north of the Palestine city limits. 
The building houses the college’s EMT, cosmotology and nursing classes, he 
added.

The sheriff said the break-in apparently occurred sometime between 10 a.m. 
Friday and 8 a.m. Monday when it was discovered by a school employee.

Taylor said the computer included student and class information, including 
grades.

“Unfortunately, there’s personal information on there,” the sheriff said.

Also reported stolen from a separate office in the same building was $30 cash 
and a $200 check, according to Taylor.

Additionally, a glass container filled with urine was discovered in the office 
where the money was stolen, according to the sheriff.

The suspect(s) gained entry into the Anderson Building by prying open a back 
door, according to Taylor.

“There was some evidence removed at the scene,” Taylor said. “We don’t have any 
named suspects at this time.”

Estimated amount of damage was unknown as of mid-afternoon Monday.

“Of course, they cut a lot of wires (to take the mainframe computer),” the 
sheriff said. “There will be a lot of damage.”

--- 

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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-15 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
They've updated it now, it wasn't a mainframe. But you can bet there will be
be CIO's out there looking for mainframe security cables. :)
MA

http://www.tylerpaper.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090714/NEWS01/907149985/0/FRONTPAGE

*UPDATE: Computer Theft at East Texas Campus Was Not Mainframe*

From staff and wire reports

An Associated Press report that thieves had stolen the mainframe computer
with student information from the Palestine campus of Trinity Valley
Community College is incorrect, according to the college's public
information officer.

Jennifer Hannigan told TylerPaper.com the computer stolen was used only for
our computer surveillance system, adding that it contained no student or
personnel records.

Anderson County Sheriff Greg Taylor told the Palestine Herald-Press says the
break-in happened over the weekend, with a back door pried open.


On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Lizette Koehler
stars...@mindspring.comwrote:

 From the Palistine Herold in Palestine TX.  This was repeated in the
 Enterprise e-Mag.

 Apparently when you steal the MAINFRAME the data is on it.


 Lizette



 Mainframe computer stolen from local TVCC campus

 By PAUL STONE
 The Palestine Herald

 PALESTINE — A “mainframe computer” containing confidential student
 information was stolen over the weekend from the Palestine campus of Trinity
 Valley Community College, according to local authorities.

 Anderson County Sheriff Greg Taylor told the Herald-Press Monday that the
 computer was stolen from an office inside the Anderson Building at the rear
 of the campus which is located on Texas 19, north of the Palestine city
 limits. The building houses the college’s EMT, cosmotology and nursing
 classes, he added.

 The sheriff said the break-in apparently occurred sometime between 10 a.m.
 Friday and 8 a.m. Monday when it was discovered by a school employee.

 Taylor said the computer included student and class information, including
 grades.

 “Unfortunately, there’s personal information on there,” the sheriff said.

 Also reported stolen from a separate office in the same building was $30
 cash and a $200 check, according to Taylor.

 Additionally, a glass container filled with urine was discovered in the
 office where the money was stolen, according to the sheriff.

 The suspect(s) gained entry into the Anderson Building by prying open a
 back door, according to Taylor.

 “There was some evidence removed at the scene,” Taylor said. “We don’t have
 any named suspects at this time.”

 Estimated amount of damage was unknown as of mid-afternoon Monday.

 “Of course, they cut a lot of wires (to take the mainframe computer),” the
 sheriff said. “There will be a lot of damage.”

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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-15 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:42 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Article Mainframe Stolen

From the Palistine Herold in Palestine TX.  This was repeated in the
Enterprise e-Mag.

Apparently when you steal the MAINFRAME the data is on it.


Lizette

SNIPPAGE

From the college's website:

No information stolen during weekend theft

Monday, July 13, 2009 /

We here at Trinity Valley Community College are saddened and angered by
the events of this weekend's break-in at TVCC-Palestine.

Information reported by area media outlets regarding this incident is in
error. We want to assure our students that absolutely no student,
personnel or other confidential information was contained on the
computer stolen during the weekend theft. The terminal which was taken
was wired only to the security surveillance system and was used
specifically for surveillance video. TVCC takes all possible precautions
to maintain the security and confidentiality of personal data.

In the aftermath of this event, we are dedicated to recovering the
stolen property. The college is working diligently with the Anderson
County Sheriff's Office to apprehend those who are responsible for this
incident. We are asking anyone who may have information on the theft to
please contact the sheriff's department.

Students should watch our website at www.tvcc.edu for more information
as it develops.

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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-15 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
MP3000 with internal disk?

Yes, I know the updates tell us that the computer wasn't a mainframe,
but there are/were mainframes that had data in the frame of the machine
- plus it has the benefit of being small enough to fairly easily steal.

Rex

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:42 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Article Mainframe Stolen

From the Palistine Herold in Palestine TX.  This was repeated in the
Enterprise e-Mag.

Apparently when you steal the MAINFRAME the data is on it.


Lizette

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Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

2009-07-15 Thread Hal Merritt
Indeed. It does not matter what is said afterwards. Only the 'first liar' 
counts. 

A 'mainframe' used only for surveillance? Geez. 



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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
Mary Anne Matyaz
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:20 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Article Mainframe Stolen

They've updated it now, it wasn't a mainframe. But you can bet there will be
be CIO's out there looking for mainframe security cables. :)
MA

http://www.tylerpaper.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090714/NEWS01/907149985/0/FRONTPAGE

*UPDATE: Computer Theft at East Texas Campus Was Not Mainframe*

From staff and wire reports

An Associated Press report that thieves had stolen the mainframe computer
with student information from the Palestine campus of Trinity Valley
Community College is incorrect, according to the college's public
information officer.

Jennifer Hannigan told TylerPaper.com the computer stolen was used only for
our computer surveillance system, adding that it contained no student or
personnel records.

Anderson County Sheriff Greg Taylor told the Palestine Herald-Press says the
break-in happened over the weekend, with a back door pried open.


On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Lizette Koehler
stars...@mindspring.comwrote:

 From the Palistine Herold in Palestine TX.  This was repeated in the
 Enterprise e-Mag.

 Apparently when you steal the MAINFRAME the data is on it.


 Lizette



 Mainframe computer stolen from local TVCC campus

 By PAUL STONE
 The Palestine Herald

 PALESTINE - A mainframe computer containing confidential student
 information was stolen over the weekend from the Palestine campus of Trinity
 Valley Community College, according to local authorities.

 Anderson County Sheriff Greg Taylor told the Herald-Press Monday that the
 computer was stolen from an office inside the Anderson Building at the rear
 of the campus which is located on Texas 19, north of the Palestine city
 limits. The building houses the college's EMT, cosmotology and nursing
 classes, he added.

 The sheriff said the break-in apparently occurred sometime between 10 a.m.
 Friday and 8 a.m. Monday when it was discovered by a school employee.

 Taylor said the computer included student and class information, including
 grades.

 Unfortunately, there's personal information on there, the sheriff said.

 Also reported stolen from a separate office in the same building was $30
 cash and a $200 check, according to Taylor.

 Additionally, a glass container filled with urine was discovered in the
 office where the money was stolen, according to the sheriff.

 The suspect(s) gained entry into the Anderson Building by prying open a
 back door, according to Taylor.

 There was some evidence removed at the scene, Taylor said. We don't have
 any named suspects at this time.

 Estimated amount of damage was unknown as of mid-afternoon Monday.

 Of course, they cut a lot of wires (to take the mainframe computer), the
 sheriff said. There will be a lot of damage.

 ---

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