Re: Article on z/OS on Intel, sort of.

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

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09/24/2008
   at 08:12 PM, Lindy Mayfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>Two questions came to mind. I tried to think of another mainframe besides
>IBM's.  Only Sperry and Unisys came to mind.  I had to look in wikipedia
>to see if they still exist.  I think so.

Unisys is a merger of UNIVAC and Burroughs; that includes Sperry.
 
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Re: Article on z/OS on Intel, sort of.

[Pommier, Rex R.]

I have heard people who consider their AS/400 machines
to be mainframes. [Or whatever it is that the AS/400
morphed into.]



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Definitely the folks who lurk/sell on e-bay consider AS400s mainframes.
:-)

Rex

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Re: Article on z/OS on Intel, sort of.

[Steve Comstock]

Timothy Sipples wrote:

Other systems that most people consider mainframes (and that you can buy)
include:

Worldwide market:
Unisys ClearPath MCP systems (formerly Burroughs)
Unisys ClearPath OS 2200 systems (formerly UNIVAC/Remington/Sperry)

Mostly domestic Japanese market:
Fujitsu MSP systems (similar to IBM's MVS)
Fujitsu XSP systems (similar to IBM's MVS and VSE)
Hitachi VOS systems (similar to IBM's MVS)
NEC ACOS systems (similar to GE/Honeywell/Groupe Bull systems)

Mostly European markets:
Groupe Bull DPS/NovaScale (GCOS) systems (formerly GE/Honeywell)
Fujitsu-Siemens BS2000/OSD systems (formerly RCA)

Some people also consider these systems to be "mainframes":

Worldwide market:
HP OpenVMS systems (formerly DEC/Compaq)
HP NonStop systems (formerly Tandem)
Stratus VOS systems

Mostly European markets:
Fujitsu-ICL VME systems:

I may have missed some. This list certainly does not include all the
systems that compete against IBM mainframes.

- - - - -
Timothy Sipples
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Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan / Asia-Pacific
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I have heard people who consider their AS/400 machines
to be mainframes. [Or whatever it is that the AS/400
morphed into.]



Kind regards,

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The Trainer's Friend, Inc.

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Re: Article on z/OS on Intel, sort of.

[P S]

Psystar is the current Mac clone vendor. Apple wants them dead.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 5:39 AM, R.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I remember Mac clones. Hardware manufactured by some Taiwan company with
> (legal) MacOS. It was approx. 14 years ago, possibly before MacOSX premiere,
> surely on non-Intel CPU.
> However it proves that Apple did license their OS to non-Apple hardware.

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Re: Article on z/OS on Intel, sort of.

[R.S.]

John McKown wrote:

On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:12:14 +0200, Lindy Mayfield
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


And when reading about the marriage of the operating system to the z
hardware, I wondered if this was somehow different from the Mac.  Anyone
know if/how it is?


It is similar. Apple will only license Mac OSX on Apple hardware. There is a
company, being sued by Apple, which has developed a way to run OSX on a
"white box" Intel machine. This violates the license agreement that Apple
imposes when you buy OSX.


I remember Mac clones. Hardware manufactured by some Taiwan company with 
(legal) MacOS. It was approx. 14 years ago, possibly before MacOSX 
premiere, surely on non-Intel CPU.

However it proves that Apple did license their OS to non-Apple hardware.

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Re: Article on z/OS on Intel, sort of.

[Timothy Sipples]

Other systems that most people consider mainframes (and that you can buy)
include:

Worldwide market:
Unisys ClearPath MCP systems (formerly Burroughs)
Unisys ClearPath OS 2200 systems (formerly UNIVAC/Remington/Sperry)

Mostly domestic Japanese market:
Fujitsu MSP systems (similar to IBM's MVS)
Fujitsu XSP systems (similar to IBM's MVS and VSE)
Hitachi VOS systems (similar to IBM's MVS)
NEC ACOS systems (similar to GE/Honeywell/Groupe Bull systems)

Mostly European markets:
Groupe Bull DPS/NovaScale (GCOS) systems (formerly GE/Honeywell)
Fujitsu-Siemens BS2000/OSD systems (formerly RCA)

Some people also consider these systems to be "mainframes":

Worldwide market:
HP OpenVMS systems (formerly DEC/Compaq)
HP NonStop systems (formerly Tandem)
Stratus VOS systems

Mostly European markets:
Fujitsu-ICL VME systems:

I may have missed some. This list certainly does not include all the
systems that compete against IBM mainframes.

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Timothy Sipples
IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect
Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan / Asia-Pacific
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Article on z/OS on Intel, sort of.

[Phil Smith III]

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Lindy Mayfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Excellent read.
>
> Two questions came to mind. I tried to think of another mainframe
> besides IBM's.  Only Sperry and Unisys came to mind.  I had to look in
> wikipedia to see if they still exist.  I think so.

Of course, it depends who you ask. I got involved on a sales call a few weeks 
ago because the prospect "had a mainframe"; it turned out to be an HP9000. Not 
a mainframe on any planet I've visited, but different strokes...

Meanwhile, John McKown's comment on the story makes precisely the right point: 
that Herc, although an amazing achievement, doesn't implement full 
z/Architecture -- it can try to, but without access to the IBM IP, it cannot 
claim to and surely doesn't. 

One note: FLEX-ES (not "FlexES") isn't necessarily dead. It may be pinin' for 
the fjords, but it 'asn't passed on or joined the choir invisibule. And the 
many commercial sites who use it for production work on a daily basis prove 
that.

...phsiii

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Re: Article on z/OS on Intel, sort of.

[John McKown]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:12:14 +0200, Lindy Mayfield
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>And when reading about the marriage of the operating system to the z
>hardware, I wondered if this was somehow different from the Mac.  Anyone
>know if/how it is?

It is similar. Apple will only license Mac OSX on Apple hardware. There is a
company, being sued by Apple, which has developed a way to run OSX on a
"white box" Intel machine. This violates the license agreement that Apple
imposes when you buy OSX.

The main difference is that IBM "owns" both the hardware and software.
Whereas Apple is using Intel hardware with some auxiliary hardware and BIOS
changes.

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Re: Article on z/OS on Intel, sort of.

[Lindy Mayfield]

Excellent read.

Two questions came to mind. I tried to think of another mainframe
besides IBM's.  Only Sperry and Unisys came to mind.  I had to look in
wikipedia to see if they still exist.  I think so.

And when reading about the marriage of the operating system to the z
hardware, I wondered if this was somehow different from the Mac.  Anyone
know if/how it is?

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Subject: Article on z/OS on Intel, sort of.

http://www.interopnews.com/analysis/how-to-make-a-killing-in-the-mainfra
me-market.html

Actually, it is more about how IBM has captured the zArch and thus z/OS
market. It seems to bemoan the fact that there is not, and likely never
will
be, a competitor which can run z/OS and thus run z/OS legacy
applications
natively. The author does mention T3 and PSI in passing.

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Article on z/OS on Intel, sort of.

[John McKown]

http://www.interopnews.com/analysis/how-to-make-a-killing-in-the-mainframe-market.html

Actually, it is more about how IBM has captured the zArch and thus z/OS
market. It seems to bemoan the fact that there is not, and likely never will
be, a competitor which can run z/OS and thus run z/OS legacy applications
natively. The author does mention T3 and PSI in passing.

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