Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Ed Gould]

On Feb 11, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Ed Finnell wrote:



In a message dated 2/11/2008 7:06:57 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

If you are at SHARE in Orlando you might drop in on the Paddle   
Project

Birthday Party.  There should be some copies of this for  anyone who
wants to pick one up.




Many moons ago I ordered the OS/360 tape from  IBM to get some of  
the bundled
stuff for the IE folks. It was easy under VM,  just IPL'd the tape.  
Is this

still an  option?



Ed:

It is a IBM course (intro type) and of course the instructor is from  
the Time frame who is fun just watching and turning off the volume


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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[McKown, John]

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> In a message dated 2/11/2008 7:06:57 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
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> 
> If you are at SHARE in Orlando you might drop in on the 
> Paddle  Project
> Birthday Party.  There should be some copies of this for  anyone who
> wants to pick one up.
> 
> 
> >>
> Many moons ago I ordered the OS/360 tape from  IBM to get 
> some of the bundled 
> stuff for the IE folks. It was easy under VM,  just IPL'd the 
> tape. Is this 
> still an  option?

I don't think so. As far as I know, z/VM does not emulate the old S/370
I/O architecture (SIO et al.). Now, if it did, that would be
interesting. If it did, then you would be able to run OS/360 (as well as
MVS 3.8j) on an IFL. Wouldn't that be interesting?

Who's up to starting a project to "port" OS/360 or MVS 3.8j to run on an
IFL? Just kidding.

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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 2/11/2008 7:06:57 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

If you are at SHARE in Orlando you might drop in on the Paddle  Project
Birthday Party.  There should be some copies of this for  anyone who
wants to pick one up.


>>
Many moons ago I ordered the OS/360 tape from  IBM to get some of the bundled 
stuff for the IE folks. It was easy under VM,  just IPL'd the tape. Is this 
still an  option?







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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Ed Gould]

On Feb 11, 2008, at 7:06 AM, Knutson, Sam wrote:


Hi,

If you are at SHARE in Orlando you might drop in on the Paddle Project
Birthday Party.  There should be some copies of this for anyone who
wants to pick one up.

2899
The MVT Project Celebrates its 35th Anniversary - The Paddle Project



Sam,

Sounds like a great event. I wish I was able to attend.

If someone wants the DVD I will upload it so they can d/l it (free of  
course). I would suspect that its a chunk of data so don't try it on  
a dial up line.


Just email me privately and I will do the upload. The data will be  
there for at least a month maybe more.


FYI I am not sure if this is the way it is supposed to work but when  
I went to play it back I had to select English as the language. So it  
may not be "perfect". It was pretty Good other than that. The  
architects of OS/360 did a pretty darn good job IMO.


Ed

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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Knutson, Sam]

Hi,

If you are at SHARE in Orlando you might drop in on the Paddle Project
Birthday Party.  There should be some copies of this for anyone who
wants to pick one up.

2899
The MVT Project Celebrates its 35th Anniversary - The Paddle Project
Reminisces!
Speaker:Robert Rannie (Northern Illinois University)
Times:  Wed, 6:00pm, Disney's Coronado Springs Resort,1st Floor,Fiesta 6
Length: 1 hour
Classification: Introductory
In this session, the speaker will moderate as various founders of the
OS/MVT-MFT Project, which came into being at the Denver SHARE in Spring
of 1973, and other mature individuals tell stories of the project, the
paddle, the good old days, and the way it was. When IBM was going to
drop support for the OS/360 systems, and those who had them were going
to have to paddle their own canoe, SHARE members banded together and
formed the OS/MVT-MFT Project. Learn how SHARE-ing can accomplish great
things! Come and celebrate the 35th anniversary of the Paddle Project,
the forefather of the MVS SCP Project. Goodies will be provided. This
session was last given five years ago.

Best Regards, 

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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Ed Gould]

On Feb 10, 2008, at 11:11 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote:

At 18:48 -0500 on 09/15/2007, Kenneth E Tomiak wrote about Re:  
Control Program of OS/360 reel tape:


I do not have a super-sophisticated FTP server for you to download  
from. So
unless the stars are in perfect alignment you may have trouble  
downloading

3+ GiB in one shot.


It can always be done via BitTorrent where the bandwidth load is  
shared by all the downloaders.





May I suggest www.badongo.com ? Its free and files are not deleted as  
far as I can see. They just added 2T a week or so.


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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Robert A. Rosenberg]

At 18:48 -0500 on 09/15/2007, Kenneth E Tomiak wrote about Re: 
Control Program of OS/360 reel tape:



I do not have a super-sophisticated FTP server for you to download from. So
unless the stars are in perfect alignment you may have trouble downloading
3+ GiB in one shot.


It can always be done via BitTorrent where the bandwidth load is 
shared by all the downloaders.


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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

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Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Patrick . Falcone]

If you download the iso file from Ken's site you can use a demo from 
dvdSanta to burn it in DVD format. 

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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Dan D]

By using Daemon Tools (http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/download.php) you can 
make your system believe the ISO is loaded into a virtual DVD drive.


Then you can use Windows Explorer to examine the ISO.  Only part of this 
image contains a folder with the VOB files that can be burned to a DVD using 
your favorite burner.


DanD

Ed Gould wrote:

Kenneth E Tomiak wrote:

I notice more current posts continue on their merry debate about
magnetic
media, even though '16mm', 'videotape', and 'digitized' are in this
thread.
Michael was kind enough to send me the 3.08 GiB ISO file. I burned a
DVD using this image file and it produced multiple files on the DVD.
For those of you
thinking DVD movies, no. PC files, yes. If you have a PC based
program that
can show these movies then you can try to download the ISO file.

I do not have a super-sophisticated FTP server for you to download
from. So
unless the stars are in perfect alignment you may have trouble
downloading
3+ GiB in one shot. Chances may be worse if everyone decides to jump
right
out there are start hammering the web site.  Why not spread out the
load and
try downloading on the day of the month you were born on.

The link is on: http://www.ktomiak.biz/ORG/index.html


Has anyone been able to get the above link made into a DVD?
I have worked several days at trying to get the file into a DVD
format and have been unsuccessful.
I would be willing to send you a blank DVD so I can get a copy.

Let me know off list if you would be willing.
Thanks!

Ed

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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Kenneth E Tomiak]

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:25:24 +0800, Johnny Luo 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Great, I'm downloading it and it's only 12 kb/s which means my pc will have
>a hard work today :)
>
>Best Regards,
>Johnny Luo
>
--

Knowing the size and the speed gives you the time. My sympathy for your 
very long day downloading.

- Original Message - 
From: "jim s" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ed Gould" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 3:28 AM
Subject: dvd image


>I downloaded the dvd and looked at its parts with a utility called gspot.
>
> it appears to be an "opendvd" which makes it a hit and miss proposition to 
> play on a regular dvd player.  It does not have the video_ts directory, 
> but rather other directories in the root, so I don't know how that plays. 
> The video_ts is down a level, but present.
>
> I also saw that there is an html in the root which at least when I was 
> editing the ISO started to extract the video to play it.
> It would be nice to have just the straight thru program on a simple ISO, 
> but I'm not sure I can pull that off.  I'm going to play with it tonight 
> on a couple of players I have that are more forgiving of weird formats 
> than most dvd players are.  Non Sony to start with is a place to start.
>
> I got almost 600k / sec downloading it so it only to about 25 min to 
> download from Ken.
>
> I looked at the first 1gb VOB segment (mpeg 1 block of video / audio) and 
> it had some stiff that looked like Wally Cox in front of a free standing 
> flip over blackboard he was lecturing about the contents of.  Looked like 
> reasonable stuff as far as the subject from the blackboard info I could 
> read.
>
> I can't post, so am replying off IBM-MAIN list to you and Kenneth.
>
> Jim
>

Thanks Jim - if you come up with something better I would gladly try to host 
it. I can admit to knowing who Wally Cox is and agree there is a similarity. 
The ISO format worked because it was provided to me. I could try to zip the 
contents and let people unzip it. They still need their own way to view it. 
That is where I wished I could plop it in my DVD player.

I am only hosting it, so anyone with a better format is welcome to snail mail 
it 
to me or post it on their own site where I can doenload it.

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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Johnny Luo]

Great, I'm downloading it and it's only 12 kb/s which means my pc will have
a hard work today :)

On 9/29/07, Ed Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Kenneth E Tomiak wrote:
>
> I notice more current posts continue on their merry debate about
> magnetic
> media, even though '16mm', 'videotape', and 'digitized' are in this
> thread.
> Michael was kind enough to send me the 3.08 GiB ISO file. I burned a DVD
> using this image file and it produced multiple files on the DVD. For
> those of you
> thinking DVD movies, no. PC files, yes. If you have a PC based
> program that
> can show these movies then you can try to download the ISO file.
>
> I do not have a super-sophisticated FTP server for you to download
> from. So
> unless the stars are in perfect alignment you may have trouble
> downloading
> 3+ GiB in one shot. Chances may be worse if everyone decides to jump
> right
> out there are start hammering the web site.  Why not spread out the
> load and
> try downloading on the day of the month you were born on.
>
> The link is on: http://www.ktomiak.biz/ORG/index.html
> 
>
> Has anyone been able to get the above link made into a DVD?
> I have worked several days at trying to get the file into a DVD
> format and have been unsuccessful.
> I would be willing to send you a blank DVD so I can get a copy.
>
> Let me know off list if you would be willing.
> Thanks!
>
> Ed
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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Ed Gould]

Kenneth E Tomiak wrote:

I notice more current posts continue on their merry debate about  
magnetic
media, even though '16mm', 'videotape', and 'digitized' are in this  
thread.

Michael was kind enough to send me the 3.08 GiB ISO file. I burned a DVD
using this image file and it produced multiple files on the DVD. For  
those of you
thinking DVD movies, no. PC files, yes. If you have a PC based  
program that

can show these movies then you can try to download the ISO file.

I do not have a super-sophisticated FTP server for you to download  
from. So
unless the stars are in perfect alignment you may have trouble  
downloading
3+ GiB in one shot. Chances may be worse if everyone decides to jump  
right
out there are start hammering the web site.  Why not spread out the  
load and

try downloading on the day of the month you were born on.

The link is on: http://www.ktomiak.biz/ORG/index.html


Has anyone been able to get the above link made into a DVD?
I have worked several days at trying to get the file into a DVD  
format and have been unsuccessful.

I would be willing to send you a blank DVD so I can get a copy.

Let me know off list if you would be willing.
Thanks!

Ed

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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Kenneth E Tomiak]

I notice more current posts continue on their merry debate about magnetic 
media, even though '16mm', 'videotape', and 'digitized' are in this thread. 
Michael was kind enough to send me the 3.08 GiB ISO file. I burned a DVD 
using this image file and it produced multiple files on the DVD. For those of 
you 
thinking DVD movies, no. PC files, yes. If you have a PC based program that 
can show these movies then you can try to download the ISO file.

I do not have a super-sophisticated FTP server for you to download from. So 
unless the stars are in perfect alignment you may have trouble downloading 
3+ GiB in one shot. Chances may be worse if everyone decides to jump right 
out there are start hammering the web site.  Why not spread out the load and 
try downloading on the day of the month you were born on.

The link is on: http://www.ktomiak.biz/ORG/index.html



On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:00:00 -0500, Kenneth E Tomiak 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I am willing to try.
>
>On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:11:02 -0500, Michael Stack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> >I had the 16mm film copied to videotape before I retired from NIU in
>>> >1999, then I digitized it to DVD for SHARE's 50th anniversary.  I
>>> >gave copies to a few people, and if someone has a few gigabytes (and
>>> >bandwidth) of server space, I'll be glad to make an ISO file available.
>>> >
>>> >Michael Stack
>>> >

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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

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   at 09:36 AM, "Andreas F. Geissbuehler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>In 1964 mag tapes had an iron oxide layer on a mylar backing, perhaps 200
>or as much as 556 bpi.

ITYM 800 BPI for normal installation, and higher densities for those that
could afford it. Anybody remember when the 800 BPI 729 came out?
 
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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Andreas F. Geissbuehler]

On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:54:46 -0400, William Donzelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>Remember that with old tapes, often they can be read ONE more time,
>then the game is up.

It gets much worse the older the mag tape !!!

Don't even unroll or attempt to mount a mag tape on anyone's tape drive if 
the tape's content is valuable. Instead have it "read" by specialists. I'd 
contact the Computer Museum first and follow the expert's advice.

In 1964 mag tapes had an iron oxide layer on a mylar backing, perhaps 200 or 
as much as 556 bpi. Around 1975 a tape librarian demonstated to the CIO the 
value of "permanent tape retention". Few of the 10+ year old tapes were 
still readable. Typically when you removed them from the case (tape's 
container) a cloud of "rust" fell out. 

Andreas F. Geissbuehler
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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Kenneth E Tomiak]

I am willing to try.

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:11:02 -0500, Michael Stack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>At 10:26 PM 9/6/2007, you wrote:
>>On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:04:35 -0500, Michael Stack wrote:
>>
>> >I had the 16mm film copied to videotape before I retired from NIU in
>> >1999, then I digitized it to DVD for SHARE's 50th anniversary.  I
>> >gave copies to a few people, and if someone has a few gigabytes (and
>> >bandwidth) of server space, I'll be glad to make an ISO file available.
>> >
>> >Michael Stack
>> >
>>

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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Michael Stack]

At 10:26 PM 9/6/2007, you wrote:

On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:04:35 -0500, Michael Stack wrote:

>I had the 16mm film copied to videotape before I retired from NIU in
>1999, then I digitized it to DVD for SHARE's 50th anniversary.  I
>gave copies to a few people, and if someone has a few gigabytes (and
>bandwidth) of server space, I'll be glad to make an ISO file available.
>
>Michael Stack
>

So the tape reel referred to by the OP is a reel of movie film? At 
first I thought
it was audio tape, because its length was in minutes, but if it 
weight 10 lbs,

maybe it is movie film.


No maybe about it.  We had to borrow a projector and screen whenever 
we wanted to watch it.  Popcorn was at our own expense.




Michael Stack
Product Developer
NEON Enterprise Software, Inc.

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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Bill Godfrey]

On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:04:35 -0500, Michael Stack wrote:

>I had the 16mm film copied to videotape before I retired from NIU in
>1999, then I digitized it to DVD for SHARE's 50th anniversary.  I
>gave copies to a few people, and if someone has a few gigabytes (and
>bandwidth) of server space, I'll be glad to make an ISO file available.
>
>Michael Stack
>

So the tape reel referred to by the OP is a reel of movie film? At first I 
thought 
it was audio tape, because its length was in minutes, but if it weight 10 lbs, 
maybe it is movie film.

Bill

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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Rick Fochtman]

-
I had the 16mm film copied to videotape before I retired from NIU in 
1999, then I digitized it to DVD for SHARE's 50th anniversary.  I gave 
copies to a few people, and if someone has a few gigabytes (and 
bandwidth) of server space, I'll be glad to make an ISO file available.

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close to Woodridge, IL. ??


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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[William Donzelli]

> Unless that means read the tape and copy the contents to something newer,
> the museum is the second place it should go. Someone with a drive that can
> read it should be the first.

CHM can read many many many formats, and can farm out to places that
can do formats it can not.

Remember that with old tapes, often they can be read ONE more time,
then the game is up.

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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Michael Stack]

I had the 16mm film copied to videotape before I retired from NIU in 
1999, then I digitized it to DVD for SHARE's 50th anniversary.  I 
gave copies to a few people, and if someone has a few gigabytes (and 
bandwidth) of server space, I'll be glad to make an ISO file available.


Michael Stack

At 05:51 PM 9/6/2007, Kenneth E Tomiak wrote:

Unless that means read the tape and copy the contents to something newer,
the museum is the second place it should go. Someone with a drive that can
read it should be the first.


On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:19:47 -0400, William Donzelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
>The first place this tape should go is to the Computer History Museum,
>where Al Kossow can get it into the archives.
>
>--
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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Kenneth E Tomiak]

Unless that means read the tape and copy the contents to something newer, 
the museum is the second place it should go. Someone with a drive that can 
read it should be the first.


On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:19:47 -0400, William Donzelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>
>The first place this tape should go is to the Computer History Museum,
>where Al Kossow can get it into the archives.
>
>--
>Will
>

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Re: Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[William Donzelli]

> It's been a while since I posted here.  While cleaning out my office
> I ran across a 15 inch tape reel.  The label says "The Control
> Program of IBM Operating System / 360".  It's dated 1964 and it says
> it's 60 minutes long.  If anyone would like it I'll be glad to send
> it, if you're willing to pay for shipping.  It weighs close to 10
> lbs. and I live in Illinois (if that gives you any hint on what
> shipping might cost).

The first place this tape should go is to the Computer History Museum,
where Al Kossow can get it into the archives.

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Control Program of OS/360 reel tape

[Sylvia Gorman]

Hi all,

It's been a while since I posted here.  While cleaning out my office 
I ran across a 15 inch tape reel.  The label says "The Control 
Program of IBM Operating System / 360".  It's dated 1964 and it says 
it's 60 minutes long.  If anyone would like it I'll be glad to send 
it, if you're willing to pay for shipping.  It weighs close to 10 
lbs. and I live in Illinois (if that gives you any hint on what 
shipping might cost).


I'm currently set to 'no-mail' on the list, so if you have questions 
or want the tape, please reply directly to me.


Thanks,
Sylvia

Sylvia Gorman
Associate Director
Enterprise Systems Support
Northern Illinois University
DeKalb, IL 60115
815.753.9451 phone
815.753.2555 fax
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