Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog
zOS 1.9 IDCAMS manual has a fine example of how to deFINE a pagespace in another system's Master catalog. Excellent DEFINE ALIAS (NAME(SYS2) RELATE(MASTCAT.SYSTEM2)) DEFINE PAGESPACE (NAME(SYS2.PAGE2) CYLINDERS(10) VOLUMES(VSER05) ALTER SYS2.PAGE2 NEWNAME(SYS1.PAGE2) CATALOG(MASTCAT.SYSTEM2) ALTER SYS2.PAGE2.DATA NEWNAME(SYS1.PAGE2.DATA) CATALOG(MASTCAT.SYSTEM2) But how to deLETE one of these in another system's master catalog? I have tried to DEFINE ALIAS, DELETE PAGESPACE with CAT(, tried ALTER the pagespace to an SSA aliwas like SYS2 in the example above, but no luck. Anyone know this trick? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog
Here is some JCL I have used in the past //IDCAMS EXEC PGM=IDCAMS //STEPCAT DD DSN=CATALOG.MASTER.VCATT28,DISP=SHR //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSINDD * DELETE - PAGE.TEST.COMMON - PAGESPACE - PURGE - CATALOG(CATALOG.MASTER.VCATT28) Pat Mihalec Rush University Medical Center Senior System Programmer (312) 942-8386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Mattson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 07/22/2008 01:46 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog zOS 1.9 IDCAMS manual has a fine example of how to deFINE a pagespace in another system's Master catalog. Excellent DEFINE ALIAS (NAME(SYS2) RELATE(MASTCAT.SYSTEM2)) DEFINE PAGESPACE (NAME(SYS2.PAGE2) CYLINDERS(10) VOLUMES(VSER05) ALTER SYS2.PAGE2 NEWNAME(SYS1.PAGE2) CATALOG(MASTCAT.SYSTEM2) ALTER SYS2.PAGE2.DATA NEWNAME(SYS1.PAGE2.DATA) CATALOG(MASTCAT.SYSTEM2) But how to deLETE one of these in another system's master catalog? I have tried to DEFINE ALIAS, DELETE PAGESPACE with CAT(, tried ALTER the pagespace to an SSA aliwas like SYS2 in the example above, but no luck. Anyone know this trick? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Mihalec > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:51 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog > > Here is some JCL I have used in the past > //IDCAMS EXEC PGM=IDCAMS > //STEPCAT DD DSN=CATALOG.MASTER.VCATT28,DISP=SHR > //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* > //SYSINDD * > DELETE - > PAGE.TEST.COMMON - > PAGESPACE - > PURGE - > CATALOG(CATALOG.MASTER.VCATT28) > > Pat Mihalec H no more STEPCAT allowed! My page datasets are all named PAGE.&SYSNAME.stuff. I use MultiLevel aliases so that I can do a DEFINE alias so that PAGE.&SYSNAME in this system's master catalog points to &SYSNAME's master catalog. Another possibility is to simply create the PAGESPACE in the current system's master catalog. Then, just do a DEFINE PAGESPACE ... RECATALOG CAT(other.mastercat) . One nice thing is that a PAGESPACE can be defined in multiple catalogs at the same time. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:55:38 -0500, McKown, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Close, but no cigar. //STEP01 EXEC PGM=IDCAMS //SYSOUT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //DISK1DD UNIT=3390,VOL=SER=H5PAG1,DISP=SHR //SYSINDD * DELETE PAGE.AQH2.PLPA - PAGESPACE - FILE(DISK1) - CATALOG(SYS1.ZOS17.MCAT) >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Mihalec >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:51 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog >> >> Here is some JCL I have used in the past >> //IDCAMS EXEC PGM=IDCAMS >> //STEPCAT DD DSN=CATALOG.MASTER.VCATT28,DISP=SHR >> //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* >> //SYSINDD * >> DELETE - >> PAGE.TEST.COMMON - >> PAGESPACE - >> PURGE - >> CATALOG(CATALOG.MASTER.VCATT28) >> >> Pat Mihalec > >H no more STEPCAT allowed! > >My page datasets are all named PAGE.&SYSNAME.stuff. I use MultiLevel >aliases so that I can do a DEFINE alias so that PAGE.&SYSNAME in this >system's master catalog points to &SYSNAME's master catalog. > >Another possibility is to simply create the PAGESPACE in the current >system's master catalog. Then, just do a DEFINE PAGESPACE ... RECATALOG >CAT(other.mastercat) . One nice thing is that a PAGESPACE can be defined >in multiple catalogs at the same time. > >-- >John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog
>//DISK1DD UNIT=3390,VOL=SER=H5PAG1,DISP=SHR You do not need to statically allocate DISK DD's to IDCAMS steps. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog
You do if the dataset is not accessible through the standard catalog search order. And certain commands require it. On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:21:21 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>//DISK1DD UNIT=3390,VOL=SER=H5PAG1,DISP=SHR > >You do not need to statically allocate DISK DD's to IDCAMS steps. >- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog
Ding ding ding! We have a winner. Of course this bypasses the check that prevents deleting an active page dataset. Be vewy vewy careful! heheheheheheheh //STEP01 EXEC PGM=IDCAMS //SYSOUT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //DISK1DD UNIT=3390,VOL=SER=H5PAG1,DISP=SHR //SYSINDD * DELETE PAGE.AQH2.PLPA - PAGESPACE - FILE(DISK1) - CATALOG(SYS1.ZOS17.MCAT) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog
No way! Not even from another system. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:59:48 -0500, Staller, Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Ding ding ding! We have a winner. >Of course this bypasses the check that prevents deleting an active page >dataset. > >Be vewy vewy careful! heheheheheheheh > > >//STEP01 EXEC PGM=IDCAMS >//SYSOUT DD SYSOUT=* >//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* >//DISK1DD UNIT=3390,VOL=SER=H5PAG1,DISP=SHR >//SYSINDD * > DELETE PAGE.AQH2.PLPA - > PAGESPACE - > FILE(DISK1) - > CATALOG(SYS1.ZOS17.MCAT) > > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO >Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:55:38 -0500, McKown, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Another possibility is to simply create the PAGESPACE in the current >system's master catalog. Then, just do a DEFINE PAGESPACE ... RECATALOG >CAT(other.mastercat) . One nice thing is that a PAGESPACE can be defined >in multiple catalogs at the same time. I would be surprised if DIAGNOSE/EXAMINE did not hiccup on this. Lessons from the past... PAGESPACE is VSAM and therefore requires a VVR entry. Duplicate catalog entries create duplicate VVR records, leading to problems not with normal access, but with DELETE/DEFINE. Personally, I prefer your MLA suggestion. Regards, Art Gutowski Ford Motor Comany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:41:00 -0500, Arthur Gutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:55:38 -0500, McKown, John ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Another possibility is to simply create the PAGESPACE in the current >>system's master catalog. Then, just do a DEFINE PAGESPACE ... RECATALOG >>CAT(other.mastercat) . One nice thing is that a PAGESPACE can be defined >>in multiple catalogs at the same time. > >I would be surprised if DIAGNOSE/EXAMINE did not hiccup on this. Lessons >from the past... PAGESPACE is VSAM and therefore requires a VVR entry. >Duplicate catalog entries create duplicate VVR records, leading to problems >not with normal access, but with DELETE/DEFINE. > It does spit out a warning when you do this.I know because we catalog our IODFs that way and I catalog my zFS files that way in one environment that shares the sysres set but spans multiple sysplexes / monoplexes / master catalogs. Someday I may change that to do something with symbolicrelate instead, but this hasn't caused any problems so far. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:34:13 -0500, Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >No way! Not even from another system. > After thinking about that I think I was wrong, unless something has changed in z/OS. I recall someone crashing a sanbox LPAR that way at a client of mine (about 8 or 9 years ago). But I'm sure you can't delete one from the same system you are running on. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:13:09 -0500, Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >After thinking about that I think I was wrong, unless something has changed >in z/OS. I recall someone crashing a sanbox LPAR that way at a client of mine >(about 8 or 9 years ago). > >But I'm sure you can't delete one from the same system you are running on. The enhanced integrity introduced with 1.? prevents you from IPLing a system with someone else's page datasets, but I do not believe it protects you from deleting an another active system's page datasets. If you're in a SYSPLEX, I should think the GLOBAL ENQ would prevent this, unless it is EXCLuded. Outside of a sysplex, not so much. Art Gutowski Ford Motor Company "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:05:15 -0500, Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >It does spit out a warning when you do this.I know because we catalog >IODFs that way and I catalog my zFS files that way in one environment that >shares the sysres set but spans multiple sysplexes / monoplexes / master >catalogs. Someday I may change that to do something with symbolicrelate >instead, but this hasn't caused any problems so far. We use a common usercatalog for IODF's across sysplexes / monoplexes. Same for non-root, non-target HFS'. Sysplex root and IBM supplied HFS' are SYS1, so non-managed, no VVDS considerations. Just easier for us. Regards, Art Gutowski Ford Motor Company -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:30:41 -0500, Arthur Gutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:13:09 -0500, Mark Zelden ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>After thinking about that I think I was wrong, unless something has changed >>in z/OS. I recall someone crashing a sanbox LPAR that way at a client of >mine >>(about 8 or 9 years ago). >> >>But I'm sure you can't delete one from the same system you are running on. > >The enhanced integrity introduced with 1.? prevents you from IPLing a system >with someone else's page datasets, Correct. That was the first thing I thought about when I replied without thinking it over. >but I do not believe it protects you from >deleting an another active system's page datasets. If you're in a SYSPLEX, I >should think the GLOBAL ENQ would prevent this, unless it is EXCLuded. >Outside of a sysplex, not so much. > Yes. Outside a sysplex would be prevented also with MIM (MII) as long as you are propagating SYSZILRD. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:37:33 -0500, Arthur Gutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:05:15 -0500, Mark Zelden ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>It does spit out a warning when you do this.I know because we catalog >>IODFs that way and I catalog my zFS files that way in one environment that >>shares the sysres set but spans multiple sysplexes / monoplexes / master >>catalogs. Someday I may change that to do something with symbolicrelate >>instead, but this hasn't caused any problems so far. > >We use a common usercatalog for IODF's across sysplexes / monoplexes. >Same for non-root, non-target HFS'. Sysplex root and IBM supplied HFS' are >SYS1, so non-managed, no VVDS considerations. Just easier for us. > Do you share HFS across sysplex at all? If so, what will you do for zFS? Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Sysplex HFS/zFS Sharing; was Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:16:56 -0500, Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:37:33 -0500, Arthur Gutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>We use a common usercatalog for IODF's across sysplexes / monoplexes. >>Same for non-root, non-target HFS'. Sysplex root and IBM supplied HFS' are >>SYS1, so non-managed, no VVDS considerations. Just easier for us. > >Do you share HFS across sysplex at all? If so, what will you do for zFS? Only the sysplex ROOT and one other common mountpoint-only HFS so far. We use symlinks to redirect mounts to this directory to a system-specifc mountpoint-only HFS off the sysplex ROOT. It's unorthodox, but it was our only way around certain problems. We haven't yet started sharing SYSRES, though this is read-only. To date we only have two zFS', and they are system-specific (non-shared). Now that we have our pricing plex, I need to sit down with our "USS guy" and hash out what zFS will do for/to us in moving from "BronzePlex" to "GoldPlex". If there's interest, I can post a follow-up to the list, else if you'll be at SHARE in San Jose, we can have a "sidebar" or two at SCIDS... Regards, Art Gutowski Ford Motor Company -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Sysplex HFS/zFS Sharing; was Re: Delete PAGESPACE in other catalog
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:11:44 -0500, Arthur Gutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >If there's interest, I can post a follow-up to the list, else if you'll be at SHARE >in San Jose, we can have a "sidebar" or two at SCIDS... > Yes, please seek me out at SHARE (if you don't know what I look like, check the bio on my web site). I finally got the approval just this week and have made all the arrangements. For all my other friends and people I know from IBM-MAIN who will be at SHARE... please do the same! Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
